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240sxer
12-12-2001, 09:08 PM
what do u guys think about a WRX? compared to a s14 with a s14 sr20det?? which has more potiental for power??? and which would be cheaper to mods?? in the long run...

osofast240
12-12-2001, 09:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 240sxer:
what do u guys think about a WRX? compared to a s14 with a s14 sr20det?? which has more potiental for power??? and which would be cheaper to mods?? in the long run...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


sr20 hands down

pSY trek
12-12-2001, 09:50 PM
Both are nice IMO. Coin toss it http://www.freshalloy.com/ .

s13SRmadness
12-12-2001, 10:12 PM
the wrx would be the more streetable high power high-powered option(AWD) the sr has a much greater potential. http://www.freshalloy.com/

jvh22a
12-12-2001, 10:26 PM
i really like the wrx! i the head lights need some geeting use to but i'm going to look for one 2003..

but i will keep the 240 .. can't sell it!

ruf4play
12-12-2001, 10:30 PM
WRX if you have LOTS of money to mod... Definitely a lot of very cool, very expensive stuff out there for it.

abailey269
12-12-2001, 10:32 PM
I love the WRX's but after reading mag after mag i have come to a conclusion: Suprisingly enough, even after some major tuners get ahold of these cars, very few of them ever get anywhere near 300rwhp. Which an SR can do with a "Big T28" like blackSR's.

The all wheel drive is fun in the 1/4 but is very slow on the highway. I am friends with a bunch of DSM guys (go to thier meets) and have noticed that a 12.8 second awd car cant stay with my 13.6 second car on the highway...hands down.

However, i think that the WRX would be a great option if you live anywhere that might see ice or snow. all wheels gripping the road is better than 2.

my few pennies.

-Aubrey

240coupe92
12-12-2001, 11:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by abailey269:
very few of them ever get anywhere near 300rwhp<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
They are AWD, so 300HP just to the Rear wheels would be phenominal! http://www.freshalloy.com/

The STi version comes from the factory at 280HP, (at the crank).
but is not available here. If they can do it, so can the tuners here!

abailey269
12-12-2001, 11:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 240coupe92:

They are AWD, so 300HP just to the Rear wheels would be phenominal! http://www.freshalloy.com/

The STi version comes from the factory at 280HP, (at the crank).
but is not available here. If they can do it, so can the tuners here!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Jackass. You knew what i meant.


280 at the fly is around 238 at the wheels. However, isnt awd a little more efficient or a lot less efficient than RWD? I wish i had the mags in front of me, most of them were in the mid 200 range at the wheels and werent pulling very impressive 1/4 mile times.

-Aubrey

[ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: abailey269 ]

abailey269
12-12-2001, 11:14 PM
Dont get me wrong, i would love to have one.

-Aubrey

97 S14
12-12-2001, 11:15 PM
I am the perfect one to answer this question.... my best friend William has an S14 with an SR that puts down 300 RWHP. I have another good friend (Blugin on this board) that has a WRX that puts down about 240 at all 4 wheels. Williams car gets him on the top end, but the WRX kills him from a stop. Both cars run very close 1/8 mile times. Right now Williams car is slightly faster because it's gotten the latest round of upgrades, but Im sure the WRX will get there very soon. The WRX is a very potent car... they're not too exciting when stock, but do the basic upgrades on it and it can be a rocket. Blugin's WRX can pull on an newer SS Camaro's and C5's on the highway with his stock turbo, stock intercooler, stock fuel system, and stock clutch. Very comfortable car with great handling.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-12-2001, 11:37 PM
Just got a WRX wagon a month ago to replace my daily driver. In my opinion, the engine has a lot of potential and for stock it pulls well. I just started to drive the car hard, so I can't really say much. Vishnu Performance has been able to get a legit 30-35 horsepower gain (which is shown on their dyno records at their webpage at www.vishnuperformance.com) (http://www.vishnuperformance.com)) by adding an up-pipe, underdrive pulley, a unichip and an mbc. All of this with near stock boost levels of 12 to 15 psi (the WRX runs 14.2 psi peak around 5000 I believe), which is not bad. Stock tho, the engine is just cluttered with crap. The plastic intercooler inlet piping, pre cat before the turbo etc. Its true, the WRX EJ20 needs a lot of work and right now aftermarket companies like M2 are stealing from rex owners but I personally believe that the WRX is a steal and making 280 hp in a WRX seems minimal to do. BTW, Subaru just issued Prodrive to restyle the WRX. Everything except the doors, rear fenders, and greenhouse will be facelifted...maybe everybody will stop the *****ing about its looks.

abailey269
12-13-2001, 12:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OpticNerve:
BTW, Subaru just issued Prodrive to restyle the WRX. Everything except the doors, rear fenders, and greenhouse will be facelifted...maybe everybody will stop the *****ing about its looks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love the way they look now, cant wait to see the new ones!

-Aubrey

**DONOTDELETE**
12-13-2001, 01:20 AM
The WRX is by far the most bang for you buck new car on the market today. What other sub 30k dollar car can run a 15 second quarter mile ON SNOW!!! Rally kicks ass, I think it's one of the most exiting motorsports out there. All the cars are street legal, and they're racing on dirt, snow, etc, on courses they've never seen. The STI will most likely be my next car, and I can't wait to see what Prodrive does with the restyle. Also, have you heard that Prodrive is also in charge of the next generation Impreza due out in 2006.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-13-2001, 01:30 AM
Supposedly, Subaru didn't reach their sales goals in Japan...I heard that they were 10 percent below of their intended gross sales. Subaru seems to be really upset with their in-house design team. I have to say, the WRX has some really bad styling cues but I never wanted a car that was pretty. I'm excited about Prodrive's restyle too since they are the in house rally specialist for Subaru and will make the car look like an ideal rally-esque racer. Especially after the win for Richard Burns, Prodrive seems to be the big thing right now.

Rcs476
12-13-2001, 07:04 AM
I love the Wrx, including it's looks. But it would have been that much better if they used the 2001 Rs' design for the body.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-13-2001, 08:15 AM
from what i've read the wrx suffers from a 25% drivetrain loss, so they are putting 170 to the ground stock. my best friend has one, he took me out for a ride last night. that car is nice! the streets were wet and he was trying to break it loose, the scoobie has grip. i was thinking the whole time "if we were in my 240 we'd have spun into a ditch by now!" i definatly like the car but i think the 240 is a more exciting and thrilling ride. i mean who doesn't like to break the rear tires free every once in a while! the car is perfect for my friend because he can't drive.

TitaniusMaximus
12-13-2001, 11:57 AM
Subes have fragile trannies...


Tae

**DONOTDELETE**
12-13-2001, 01:54 PM
Well, the GC8 tranny was a piece of crap. I don't know about the WRX tranny...it feels notchy but that will change with an STi tranny mount and cusco bushings. Well, I'm done with finals and tomorrow I'm going to Joshua Tree park to test my WRX on the dirt and get some sideway action.

'97 S14 SE Turbo
12-13-2001, 02:05 PM
That's due to the transmission case design. By doing it in halves, under load the gear teeth mesh/engagement will reduce and load the gear more than it should, and instant trashed gearbox.

The STi's new 6 speed box is built the convential way. And example of convential transmission case is the ones on our cars.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doctor Tae:
Subes have fragile trannies...


Tae<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SRedSileighty
12-13-2001, 05:23 PM
http://members.home.net/eg6ix/1007698164.jpg

The new faclift will look very similar to that picture.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-13-2001, 05:55 PM
That picture looks tight, I like that much better than the current looks (but that is probably due to the help of the bodykit on there and the rear spoiler. I personally think they should have brought the STI WRX with the last generation Subaru's (like the 2.5 RS, Those were Dope looking cars, would love to own one).

BTW, why is it called Scooby anyways? Subaru, then shortened to Suby (Sue Bee), then Scooby? Or is there another reason?

**DONOTDELETE**
12-13-2001, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR> Well, the GC8 tranny was a piece of crap. I don't know about the WRX tranny <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a 2001 Impreza 2.5RS (GC8). The tranny does suck. Unfortunately the WRX tranny is pretty much the same.

Mike

**DONOTDELETE**
12-13-2001, 06:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SRedSileighty:
http://www.freshalloy.com/

The new faclift will look very similar to that picture.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think so. That's just some computer generated picture that some magazines came up with. They are usually way off, did you see any of their pictures of what the WRX would look like before it came out? Anyway, the news release from Subaru said the headlights will be smaller, and more agressive. Those headlights, while slightly more agressive, actually look bigger than the current ones.

mike2016
12-13-2001, 07:09 PM
one of my friend has a 2002 WRX and i drive his car sometimes, the car pulls not bad stock, but the turbo responses a bit slow, (maybe its because the WRX has 4 cats and very restrictive exhaust system) it begins to boost at 3000RPM. even slower than my 97 turbo prelude with t3/t4. and the tranny is not that good either, sometimes its very hard to shift to 3rd gear. The car can be quick with a few bolt-ons, it can be pushed to 18-20psi on stock turbo, stock internal and stock fuel system. Handling is not that impressive maybe its because the crappy tiny stock tires, overall it's a good car but I don't like the way it looks and 4 doors. It doesnt have the sporty feel like the 240. http://www.freshalloy.com/

ruf4play
12-14-2001, 12:19 AM
One word: Holinger...