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DENNIS_DTEC
12-03-2004, 12:59 AM
I haven't posted out here in a while.. but we just came off the dyno tonight... and seen some numbers that might be a record holder! We will put together the video and have the dyno sheets scanned.. but I would like to start this tread and see what other KA-T's are putting out.

DENNIS_DTEC
12-03-2004, 01:28 AM
Some of the numbers we got was 436 RWHP at 20 psi on pump 93 octane. That's everyday driving power, with the Pro-fec B turned off. Most of the Modification list:
(4) 1600cc injectors
Custom BYP Top feed Fuel Rail
-10 Fuel Line, -8 return, Aeromotive 1000 HP fuel pump
3"core intercooler, custom 3" intercooler piping
Custom BYP 3 1/2" stainless steel downpipe
3 1/2' Custom Apexi exhaust
Halech E6K stand alone
Custom BYP Stainless Steel header exhaust
Custom T4/T66 turbo
Custom BYP Intake Manifold, Q45 throttlebody
Custom Infiniti G35 6 speed gearbox conversion
ACT Clutch X-treme Clutch kit 4 puck disc
One piece steel driveshaft, Q45 Axles
BYP Ported Head, Daul Valve springs, BYP Spec 2 cams
Pauter Rods, CP pistons (9.5:1)
ARP HEAD + Main + Flywheel bolts
Griffin 3 core radiator, BYP water pump surge pulley
MSD 6AL Box, NGK wires, NGK 8 series plugs.
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Kookz
12-03-2004, 01:34 AM
You're about 100hp off.

DENNIS_DTEC
12-03-2004, 01:39 AM
Hehhehehehee.. well I wanted to see... you say a 100 off.. while the above numbers were running on pump gas... after 20 psi.. we switched to VP C16.. 25 psi put down 559 RWHP and like 389 Ft lb Torque.. which could be off a little.. cause I am at home and the dyno sheets are at the shop. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-03-2004, 02:09 AM
559 RWHP should be some kind of record for the "old Truck Motor".. looks like I am going to have to invite some fully built SR's to this topic.. as no KA guys are posting some numbers to compare with. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif

_Def_
12-03-2004, 02:49 AM
559 RWHP should be some kind of record for the "old Truck Motor".. looks like I am going to have to invite some fully built SR's to this topic.. as no KA guys are posting some numbers to compare with. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif



I believe Enthalpy put out numbers very close to that with a stock SR block...

JimStinksAtDorifto
12-03-2004, 02:50 AM
well, didn't turbob15sentra make 686rw on an sr with 80 shot. iirc, you are right even with the record so far. Of course, Duy's car is spinning on the dyno and supposedly is capable of more than 550ish.

my questions for you are..
how high are you revving and using what parts?

Custom Infiniti G35 6 speed gearbox conversion, adapter?

2slow240sx
12-03-2004, 04:05 AM
Talk to PhatKA-T. Seems like they put down 500+ just the other day. They build 400+ daily drivers all the time.

DENNIS_DTEC
12-03-2004, 07:52 AM
well, didn't turbob15sentra make 686rw on an sr with 80 shot. iirc, you are right even with the record so far. Of course, Duy's car is spinning on the dyno and supposedly is capable of more than 550ish.

my questions for you are..
how high are you revving and using what parts?

Custom Infiniti G35 6 speed gearbox conversion, adapter?




As far as the dyno numbers... you guys don't see where i am going with this.. so i post the best 4 passes at their respected boost levels... by the way.. this engine had over 40 passes last night alone.. and the last time we dynoed it.. it put out 563RWHP before we did more upgrades.
As for the tranny... hehehe come on guys.. we are BYP.. we don't wait for a company to produce a "bolt-on" part.. it's all custom fabricated. As far as the parts we are using.. i mentioned most of it in the above post. As far as the RPM's.. we are only shifting at 7600.. and from 5000 on.. that ****e is a blur http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

asad
12-03-2004, 08:05 AM
I'm waiting to see the dyno charts.

Asad

DENNIS_DTEC
12-03-2004, 08:12 AM
First Dyno numbers.. on Pump 93 octane are
20psi 436.03 HP Max Torque 340.48

Second Dyno..VP C16 mix are
25psi 559.10 HP Max Torque 435.64

There are a few good ones that I didn't get a print off are
597HP at 28 psi and 606HP at 29psi... which should be a record.. then we got these...

Third Dyno sheet that I have!!!!!!!!!!! "drum roll"

30psi 612.96HP Max Torque 474.32

Fourth and final Dyno Sheet.....after a cool down
30psi 613.43 max torque 468.49!!!!!!!!

A couple of reasons that I am so giddy..

1. This engine is still relatively stock compared to what i am going to throw at one FWD.. Altima in an SE-R.. you guys should see the turbo and header that's on that bad boy!

2. I can't wait till we get our hands on a stand alone that can see 40+ psi of boost.. the Haltech only sees 30psi unless you send it in for upgrades.

3. on pump gas.. 439 can deal with a lot of cars on the road now! No need to down play a race to put in some C16.. or crank up the boost

So.. when the rest of guys get in the shop.. we will have the Dyno sheets scanned.. and hopefully have a couple of video's uploaded for the Nissan masses. i would like to thank the guys are Speed Injected "Garry, Dre, Carlos" for the hospitality and good laughs. Most importantly owner Hugh O., for all the ruff times and trial and error, but the "Gungu" is working! My crew, Harry Turbo tuner & fabricator, Steve Tuner/Driver, Video Crew "Cool Lee" and VW Steve that made the trip with a healing torn ACL.. but he new that this was going to be the night.. 600+ RWHP 4cyl KA24DET..the real deal is alive! Can't wait for the 05 race season http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Enthalpy
12-03-2004, 08:15 AM
I'm waiting to see the dyno charts.



make sure to post the numbers UNCORRECTED please. Dyno correction factors do not apply to boosted engines... Dig up my old thread on the topic if you need to know why.

'97 S14 SE Turbo
12-03-2004, 09:14 AM
FastAZ240 aka T66240SX's #s were one 101 octane.

flip240
12-03-2004, 02:13 PM
Another team joins the race to max reliable KA power, crazyness I tell you, crazyness http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif

IvanTurbo240
12-03-2004, 02:37 PM
This sounds awesome. Lets see the vids and dyno sheets.

You say your going to be racing this next season. What series and class are you going to be in??

'97 S14 SE Turbo
12-03-2004, 04:26 PM
Another team joins the race to max reliable KA power, crazyness I tell you, crazyness http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif




Hehe, I'm still leading the longevity race at 5+ years. lol...

RDM_II
12-03-2004, 04:35 PM
If the numbers are true, horsepower is nice, but the torque is weak. We've seen higher numbers easily there.

Kookz
12-03-2004, 04:37 PM
If the numbers are true, horsepower is nice, but the torque is weak. We've seen higher numbers easily there.

Whose? Mike Lee did 464 tq.

Barney_240
12-03-2004, 10:01 PM
nice nice #'s .. hey dude if you need somebody to scan them.. let me know http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

You BYP folks... crazy Island Bastards - !!!! hehe

you probably don't remember me, i was around there a while back ( like 1-2 years ago ) ... i'm friends with Jerry who had the redish s14 with the sr20det

btw, there's a nissan 240sx meet this weekend at Hialeah Speedway .. starts at 9am and there's a drift event that day to http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 11:02 AM
If the numbers are true, horsepower is nice, but the torque is weak. We've seen higher numbers easily there.

Whose? Mike Lee did 464 tq.



Well.. those numbers might be weak.. but compared to what? I am sure you have nothing even close to that Hp or Torque. Kinda reminds of the time 4 years ago.. when we were out here saying that KA's can can make 365RWHp @ 14psi with NO JWT ECU.. and we were running 12.75 112 MPH @10psi.. so I figured that 600+ HP would definately get ignored out here as well. And if you want something a little stronger in torque.. how does 620.95 HP and 467.46 Sound? This is a second KA that we dyno'ed last night.. which to me is nice.. but I know that kind of power wouldn't last long on the KA tranny that he has.. but the other car with 613Hp would hold up with the G35 ^6 speed^ tranny http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 11:06 AM
nice nice #'s .. hey dude if you need somebody to scan them.. let me know http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

You BYP folks... crazy Island Bastards - !!!! hehe

you probably don't remember me, i was around there a while back ( like 1-2 years ago ) ... i'm friends with Jerry who had the redish s14 with the sr20det

btw, there's a nissan 240sx meet this weekend at Hialeah Speedway .. starts at 9am and there's a drift event that day to http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Hey, I remember you.. what's up son.. Yeah.. i might need a litle help.. if I want to get these sheets out here faster than Monday.. our scanner is acting up. if you have a fax# that I can send them to.. let me know.. and that goes for anybody else that wants to see the 613HP 240sx or the newer 620HP 240sx (last night)

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 11:13 AM
btw, there's a nissan 240sx meet this weekend at Hialeah Speedway .. starts at 9am and there's a drift event that day to http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif
yeah.. we heard about that.. and we are making plan to attend that show with both 240SX's.... but more importantly.. Moroso is the 12th of DECEMBER.. so let's see if we can make two 10 second street 240SX's happen.. 600+ Hp.. should be nice!

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 11:20 AM
the modification list for the second 240SX 1995 SE
(4) 1600cc injectors
Custom BYP Top feed Fuel Rail
-10 Fuel Line, -8 return, Aeromotive 1000 HP fuel pump
3"core Greddy intercooler, custom 3 1/2" intercooler piping
Custom BYP 3 1/2" stainless steel downpipe
3 1/2" Custom Apexi exhaust
Halech E6K stand alone
Custom BYP Mild Steel header exhaust
Custom T4/T66 turbo
Custom BYP Intake Manifold, Q45 throttlebody
KA24DE tranny, Fidanza Flywheel
ACT Clutch X-treme Clutch kit 4 puck disc
Customer Ported Head and Engine Assembly
Pauter Rods, CP pistons (9.5:1)
ARP HEAD + Main + Flywheel bolts
Koyo polished radiator, BYP water pump surge pulley
MSD 6AL Box, NGK wires, Champion C59 plugs.


Dyno'd 620.95 HP and 467.46 max torque at 30psi / VP C16 Fuel @ 7600 RPM redline http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 11:27 AM
This sounds awesome. Lets see the vids and dyno sheets.

You say your going to be racing this next season. What series and class are you going to be in??



yeah.. hopefully it's going to be a sick year for the Nissans! We are actually about 2 years behind with the FWD Nissan.. but i guess all things happen for a reason.. timing...Sponsors..cash flow.. but all and all.. we should be ready for this season 05. I am a FWD man, and have a 95 Sentra SE-R with an Altima KA24DE setup "KA-R" I will be running in the Hot Rod Class.. and my partner has a 95 240SX that he will be running in the Street tire class. Honestly.. I will be looking for 900FWHP and he would be looking for 850RWHP in the 240sx. If some potential sponsors work out for the Street legal class.. we would get a G35 and put a KA24DE into it!!!! That's our plans for next year.. and so far... everything looks a go.. eventhough the racing season in Florida sucked due to the Hurricane Drive Bye's we had... but such is life.. and I can live with that.

BlackBomber
12-04-2004, 11:35 AM
nice nice #'s .. hey dude if you need somebody to scan them.. let me know http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

You BYP folks... crazy Island Bastards - !!!! hehe

you probably don't remember me, i was around there a while back ( like 1-2 years ago ) ... i'm friends with Jerry who had the redish s14 with the sr20det

btw, there's a nissan 240sx meet this weekend at Hialeah Speedway .. starts at 9am and there's a drift event that day to http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Hey, I remember you.. what's up son.. Yeah.. i might need a litle help.. if I want to get these sheets out here faster than Monday.. our scanner is acting up. if you have a fax# that I can send them to.. let me know.. and that goes for anybody else that wants to see the 613HP 240sx or the newer 620HP 240sx (last night)



you can fax it to me and I'll scan it for you. just pm me and i will reply with my fax number. I'll have it up momentarily if you send it.

Colorado_S14
12-04-2004, 12:09 PM
Not bad at all, but I think Ivan and the boys over at SP are going to steal the show if they decide to go for 600+. It took you 20psi to throw down ~435 they put down ~405 on 16-17 psi. Everyone really needs to look out for my 235 though http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

IvanTurbo240
12-04-2004, 12:33 PM
Not bad at all, but I think Ivan and the boys over at SP are going to steal the show if they decide to go for 600+. It took you 20psi to throw down ~435 they put down ~405 on 16-17 psi. Everyone really needs to look out for my 235 though http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Thanks for the vote of confidance. I am pretty sure that we will knock on 500whp in the low 20s boost with the S13 with the current turbo. If everything is going well with that setup, we will be swapping to a slightly bigger turbo and shooting to max out the stock intake. Once we figure out the limits there, we will slap on the proto sheet metal intake and give that a try. Give me about two weeks and I should have some dyno sheets, video, and data logs to post.

My personal 240 is still in peices everywhere. Car is at paint. Motor is at machine shop. Head is at porter. Built AT trans is here. Hopefully soon, I will have some of my own stuff here to start putting together and then the REAL HUGE numbers will be posted http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 12:59 PM
Not bad at all, but I think Ivan and the boys over at SP are going to steal the show if they decide to go for 600+. It took you 20psi to throw down ~435 they put down ~405 on 16-17 psi. Everyone really needs to look out for my 235 though http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



"Steal the Show" come on.. we are not even going to be on that tip. These are streetable cars.. customer owned.. not the shops' own. We are just glad that others are making serious power with these engines.. as far as a comparison of the 435 @20 to their 405 @ 16psi.. you would need more factors to say who's better.. what I can say about our setup is that timing is "very moderate".. who knows where there's is.. and the air/fuel is a nice 12.1 on the dyno.. i couldn't even draw a straighter line by hand if I wanted to. LOL What i would say is that these are some very strong engines.. nothing like some higher Hp SR.. which having a higher HP number would be great.. but not so great if it can't drive for long. The 613Hp car has over 200 dyno passes at 20+ psi.. drove home the same night.. and will continue driving throught this year. For these cars though.. the owners are quite happy with 450.. and only pushed the 30 psi marked to see what would happen. On our personal cars.. whatever boost limits and HP range we could push.. we would. As far as everyone is concerned.. if you know who to tune and build engines.. GO MAKE POWER! Don't listen to anyone knocking the "truck motors".. From SR's to RB's to big name shops! I remember 5 years ago being told by AEBS that the KA would split the block at 400 engine HP.. and by some Puerto Rican racers that 550 is the max on that block... well several years of us still running KA's.. were at 620 RWHP.. and if you calculate a modest 15% drive train loss.. that's still 700+ engine power! And I strongly beleive that there is plenty more to go.. from our shop and abroad! My personal stand point, i would like to see more Nissan's representing at the Track! And from what i seen.. the G35's that are coming will be heavy hitters.. and i hope to find a knack in the FWD's.....god willing! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

IvanTurbo240
12-04-2004, 01:32 PM
"Steal the Show" come on.. we are not even going to be on that tip. These are streetable cars.. customer owned.. not the shops' own.



HAHAHA... Sorry, that made me laugh. The 404whp car is a complete street car and customer owned. Feel free to check out the web site http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm where we have dyno sheets posted, dyno videos, time slips from the track and video from the track. All documented for everyone to see and examine. (BTW, where are the dyno sheets and videos) Full weight, AC, PW, PDL, sunroof, etc 11.71 @ 118.54

My personal S14.5 is not shop owned and is being built by ME with MY personal money. www.PhatKA-T.com (http://www.PhatKA-T.com) is just my personal passion that is lightly attached to www.sound-performance.com (http://www.sound-performance.com) so that I can offer 240 enthusiests the best possible products for thier KA-Ts based on MY PERSONAL experience with them. I also believe there is a lot more potential in the KA then people think so I am out to prove it. It helps that I am the shop manager at Sound Performance when it comes to purchasing parts and having a place to work on my car, but trust me, this is NO SHOP CAR... Its MY car and MY hard work and MY money thats building it.

http://www.phatka-t.com/Bogart1.JPG
http://www.phatka-t.com/Bogart2.JPG

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE]

"Steal the Show" come on.. we are not even going to be on that tip. These are streetable cars.. customer owned.. not the shops' own.



HAHAHA... Sorry, that made me laugh. The 404whp car is a complete street car and customer owned. Feel free to check out the web site http://www.phatka-t.com/projectcars.htm where we have dyno sheets posted, dyno videos, time slips from the track and video from the track. All documented for everyone to see and examine. (BTW, where are the dyno sheets and videos) Full weight, AC, PW, PDL, sunroof, etc 11.71 @ 118.54

Hold up.. let's get one thing straight.. I was in no way knocking your efforts about what you can do.. or your car.. or the condition it's in. I was just replying to some one saying that you guys had a little more power at a lower boost range.. and all I asked for to make a fare comparison is to find out the spec's of what you have.. then I stated what we have done.. doesn't mean that I am right and your way sucks.. not at all. I personally know that if we change the Turbine wheels combination.. we could pick up an additional 40HP. Now your attack of having a videos,website, and everythig posted in plain view is nice... but are you making an accusaution that we don't have the dyno sheets? Or you want to say something more negative? I will post the sheets, no problem with that, and when the video's get done.. post them too. Ok with you? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 02:07 PM
Oh.. by the way.. let me say that your ride looks wicked! What you have under the hood? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Prok0
12-04-2004, 02:09 PM
Any Dyno charts or pics?

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 02:25 PM
Well... Bluebomber just Pm'd me his fax# so i will send the sheets for him to scan and post for now. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

HolyShiznit
12-04-2004, 02:56 PM
Ok Ivan actually had his proof in hand when he posted, could you please either stop communicating on the boards or post up the PROOF, cause this all sounds like chest-thumping internet e-thugging at it's best without it.

-Jon

PS: If you actually post up the proof I will eat my words. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

IvanTurbo240
12-04-2004, 03:02 PM
Hold up.. let's get one thing straight.. I was in no way knocking your efforts about what you can do.. or your car.. or the condition it's in. I was just replying to some one saying that you guys had a little more power at a lower boost range.. and all I asked for to make a fare comparison is to find out the spec's of what you have.. then I stated what we have done.. doesn't mean that I am right and your way sucks.. not at all. I personally know that if we change the Turbine wheels combination.. we could pick up an additional 40HP. Now your attack of having a videos,website, and everythig posted in plain view is nice... but are you making an accusaution that we don't have the dyno sheets? Or you want to say something more negative? I will post the sheets, no problem with that, and when the video's get done.. post them too. Ok with you? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif



No personal attacks here. No need to be so defensive. It seemed you had the impression that my customers car they compared your numbers to was a shop car and not streetable. I posted the information so you could inform yourself better prior to making blanket statements.

Yes, I have a healthy dose of skepticism (as everybody should) without seeing any proof that what you stated is in fact true. Honestly, just a dyno chart wouldn't convince me either. It would take just about everything I have posted on my web site backing up my 404whp claim to make me reasonably confident what was said is true.

Trust me, there were plenty of doubts when it came to my claims and I did what was nessasary to quell the doubt. I am not accusing you of not having dyno sheets or videos, but the fact right now is that there is nothing backing up your claims.

I have said nothing negative about you or your stated accomplishments. In fact, I hope you did make the claimed power. It sure would be nice to hear the stock block and crank will handle that much power.

I dont know you from Adam so for now, I will anxiously wait for more proof to be posted. Please post soon... I really do want to believe...

<shakes your hand>

Refill
12-04-2004, 03:17 PM
What ever happened with the turbo 1.3L tercel in the end?? Those videos were the best.

IvanTurbo240
12-04-2004, 03:30 PM
Oh.. by the way.. let me say that your ride looks wicked! What you have under the hood? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif



Thank you. I appreciate that. Its coming along but a lot more slowly than I would like. I am hoping it comes out of paint within the next few weeks so I can make some more progress (and of course see how everyone likes the new paint scheme http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

So for the big question. Under the hood lives a bone stock 227,000+ mile well worn motor and an automatic transmission with no reverse. What WILL be under the hood some time really soon will be the meanest nastiest race built KA motor that I know of with a turbo setup that will push the limits of sanity. This isn't a wish, its a certainty. The motor is just about done at the machine shop, head is almost done at the porters, AT transmission is done (set on KILL), turbo is here, liquid intercooler cores are here, race intake almost finished, NOS kit waiting install, fuel system here waiting.. I just need my damn car back from the body shop.

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 03:50 PM
What ever happened with the turbo 1.3L tercel in the end?? Those videos were the best.



That little thing is still around.. last dyno of the 1.3l was 261 WFHp @ 20psi.. from those days.. it now has a 1.5L 5EFHE boosting 300+ FWHP at 22psi.. it's just a parts runner car now.. and the best ET was 13.1 @ 112 MPH The entire website is old.. but for the New Year.. we have new video's and an entire new website to upload.. stay tuned. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 04:02 PM
Yes, I have a healthy dose of skepticism (as everybody should) without seeing any proof that what you stated is in fact true. Honestly, just a dyno chart wouldn't convince me either. It would take just about everything I have posted on my web site backing up my 404whp claim to make me reasonably confident what was said is true.

Trust me, there were plenty of doubts when it came to my claims and I did what was nessasary to quell the doubt. I am not accusing you of not having dyno sheets or videos, but the fact right now is that there is nothing backing up your claims.

I dont know you from Adam so for now, I will anxiously wait for more proof to be posted. Please post soon... I really do want to believe...
<shakes your hand>

[/QUOTE]

Cool with me.. I like your style already.. yeah.. I understand everyone to be skeptical.. I was even skeptical myself to post the Dyno sheets.. that's why I started out to see who was making the Highest "all Boost" KA.. which I would of posted them right away.. but our cheap HP scanner is acting up.. so i will have them posted on monday.. unless BlueBomber post them that I faxed to him. I need to get a digital camera.. which would make stuff like this easier to deal with. if anyone has a page that can host a pic.. please Pm me.. and I'll put some pic's up of my FWD setup.. other than that.. we have a Drift event this Sunday.. hopefully if a hand full of 240SX guys show up.. someone will take pic's.. but i understand completly about my statements.. until i post the charts.. it doesn't mean shiit! Cool.. I hope that your car get's underway... I have seen to many 240SX's get to that point.. the antisapaction kills you to see a Drag 240Sx in the Main Circuit NHRA or NOPI.. then it flops out.. and you never here about it again. Especially the one's that are confused about which engine choice to go with.. Some want RB others VG and now even VQ's i hear are coming... but i like your engine choice... and YES... THE Stock block and Crank of the NISSAN can hold up at 600+ HP...Go for It! And I hope even more HP

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 05:05 PM
This sounds awesome. Lets see the vids and dyno sheets.

You say your going to be racing this next season. What series and class are you going to be in??



Here's a pic of my FWD setup. I will be running this car in the NHRA Hot Rod class.. not looking to set any national records.. but looking to have some fun with the old Sentra!
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2916181/5887676/75559891.jpg

Kim_Jong_Il
12-04-2004, 06:11 PM
Sounds good, do you have any pics of the manifolds by the way?

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 06:51 PM
[QUOTE]
Sounds good, do you have any pics of the manifolds by the way? [/quote

Well.. I just went outside and snapped these pic's... so here is the setups

This is the pictures of the engine bay setups of the 613RWHP @ 30psi KA24DE-T 1991 Nissan 240SX
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2916181/5887676/75569897.jpg

http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2916181/5887676/75569996.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2916181/5887676/75569912.jpg http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 06:54 PM
here's the engine bay shot of the 1995 240SX Se 620 RWHP @ 30psi
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2916181/5887676/75569787.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2916181/5887676/75569867.jpg
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2916181/5887676/75569847.jpg

http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif I hope that these will make great Wallpaper this Christmas!!!! LOL Dyno sheets to come.

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 07:06 PM
Yeah.. and for those that think that this is only a KA shop.. we also work on toyota's too.. and not just oil changes.. here's a 95 Tercel with a 3SGTE.. which is the MR2 engine. Another 600+ Hp canidate? The mark of the beast at BYP. LOL picture Courtesy of www.importspeedmagazine.com (http://www.importspeedmagazine.com)
http://www.importspeedmagazine.com/albums/nhramoroso4182004/IMG_1643.jpg

IvanTurbo240
12-04-2004, 07:14 PM
I would like to personally thank you for posting the pix. I would also like to say that Dennis did fax me the dyno sheets and I am beginning to believe his numbers to be true. The only thing I saw on the dyno sheets that I was somewhat disappointed with was the printouts were STD corrected. For those that dont know, this is the correction factor on the Dynojet that shows the highest HP out of all the correction factors. I called my buddy Martin at Automotosports (AMS) who has a Dynojet and asked him what he typically saw as a difference between SAE and STD correction at around the 600whp level and he said 20 to 25whp. This would put SAE correction in the high 500s. I would assume that the graphs would have been printed with actual if the dyno was correcting "down" so again, actual HP would be a bit lower then SAE. I am assuming the runs were made in FL so altitude wouldnt be a huge factor but humidity and heat might have been. Please believe that I am not trying to put BYPs numbers down, I am just being informative. I would like to see SAE and uncorrected charts also.

All that being said. Congradulations to BYP. Awesome cars, awesome numbers. You guys just made my night.

IvanTurbo240
12-04-2004, 07:19 PM
Dennis, it appears that the intake mani for the 91 is a factory upper with runners chopped off and large plenum welded on. It looks very nice. The 95 seems that it may be a complete custom fab but I cant tell from the pictures. I can see that the water neck comes out towards the front of the car. Am I correct? Both very nice installs. Some fantastic work.

BlackBomber
12-04-2004, 08:33 PM
Sorry for the delays. I was at a going away party for one of our fellow enthusiasts, TNT (Shaun from NRG). Moving back home to miami he is.

Keep in mind that these were faxed then scanned so image quality is not the greatest.

http://home.comcast.net/~jaywaller/BYPDynos/BYPKAdynos01.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jaywaller/BYPDynos/BYPKAdynos02.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jaywaller/BYPDynos/BYPKAdynos03.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~jaywaller/BYPDynos/BYPKAdynos04.jpg

Kim_Jong_Il
12-04-2004, 09:02 PM
Nice setups, I'm curious how the car feels with those intake manifolds compared to an OE one, or one with slightly longer runners.

Have you guys made any bottom mount exhaust manifold for milder applications? Or you devoted to balls to the wall high power only? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 09:12 PM
Dennis, it appears that the intake mani for the 91 is a factory upper with runners chopped off and large plenum welded on. It looks very nice. The 95 seems that it may be a complete custom fab but I cant tell from the pictures. I can see that the water neck comes out towards the front of the car. Am I correct? Both very nice installs. Some fantastic work.



Man.. you have a sharp eye (placing shields on electronic transmisions) LOL yeah.. you guessed right. The 91 is a chop off with an Intake sheet metal... and the 95 is built from scratch. All the plumbing and welding and fabrication is done in house.. my main guy Harry Turbo is the handle of that.. even the tuning. Due to the fact that we knew that we was going with a standalone.. we were able to eliminate most of the factory crap.. tiny hoses and all from under the intake. Both of these customers are some itchy guys.. so hopefully in a few weeks we could polish and chrome the shiit out of these cars.

DENNIS_DTEC
12-04-2004, 09:26 PM
Nice setups, I'm curious how the car feels with those intake manifolds compared to an OE one, or one with slightly longer runners.[QUOTE]


feels..shiit.. you are more worried about the blur in the windows and the tires blazing.. than the intake charge! LOL As far as a comparison.. we have dyno'd cars with stock intakes and throttlebodies.. and have seen 458 HP and 450 ft lb torque at 20psi.. so depends on your application.. That setup was a T60-1/T3.. and what we are using now are T4 setups... as for the future.. you will see longer runners on my whip(FWD).. but remember.. the longer runners.. the more torque.. to more shiit breaks!

[qoute]
Have you guys made any bottom mount exhaust manifold for milder applications? Or you devoted to balls to the wall high power only? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Milder? What is that? This is not kentucky fried chicken.. where you have a choice of spices! LOL just tripping.. we leave that to the customer.. all our work is custom to what materials and spec's the customer wants. When it comes to the 240SX.. the smallest amount of HP they see is atleast 400 RWHP, and the smallest turbo we would use is a T04E.. which the T60-1 is the norm replacment. however.. some of the customers intentions will work.. and some of them have limitations to spacing and such. the only draw back to having a bottom mount that I could see.. is the size downpipe that you would be able to run.. and still have A/C..like both of these cars mentioned above... are running a 3 1/2" stainless steel downpipes.. and I forgot to mention in my previous posts.. I would like to thank Burns Stainless for their outstanding support and sponsorship of these materials. As far as spacing.. the Drag 240SX will have atleast a 4" downpipe.. so we can work with what you want or what you got. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Enthalpy
12-04-2004, 09:31 PM
full boost around 5500 ... revlimit 7500.

2000 rpm of fun.

IvanTurbo240
12-04-2004, 09:51 PM
full boost around 5500 ... revlimit 7500.

2000 rpm of fun.



Thats just about perfect for a car. I cant think of a car that drops 2k rpm on a shift. On the higher HP cars, lag is almost wanted to keep the rear tires from trying to pass up the front tires prior to getting the car rolling a bit. Its kind of funny. When Paul E won Big Daddy's street tire shoot out, all the V8 guys complained that his Supra didnt have any low end power which helped the car hook and get out a ways before it put full power to the ground. Paul's Supra actualy doesnt lift the tires TILL the 60ft mark.

Kim_Jong_Il
12-04-2004, 10:21 PM
Milder? What is that? This is not kentucky fried chicken.. where you have a choice of spices! LOL just tripping.. we leave that to the customer.. all our work is custom to what materials and spec's the customer wants. When it comes to the 240SX.. the smallest amount of HP they see is atleast 400 RWHP, and the smallest turbo we would use is a T04E.. which the T60-1 is the norm replacment. however.. some of the customers intentions will work.. and some of them have limitations to spacing and such. the only draw back to having a bottom mount that I could see.. is the size downpipe that you would be able to run.. and still have A/C..like both of these cars mentioned above... are running a 3 1/2" stainless steel downpipes.. and I forgot to mention in my previous posts.. I would like to thank Burns Stainless for their outstanding support and sponsorship of these materials. As far as spacing.. the Drag 240SX will have atleast a 4" downpipe.. so we can work with what you want or what you got. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif



Haha, well A/c and all that junk is gone so that's not an issue. I've been looking at GT-series turbos, shooting for the 350-400hp range. Just curious if you guys had anything made up before to get a look at. If I still lived in florida I would definitely head down there to take a look at some of the work.

Enthalpy
12-05-2004, 01:25 AM
full boost around 5500 ... revlimit 7500.

2000 rpm of fun.



Thats just about perfect for a car. I cant think of a car that drops 2k rpm on a shift. On the higher HP cars, lag is almost wanted to keep the rear tires from trying to pass up the front tires prior to getting the car rolling a bit. Its kind of funny. When Paul E won Big Daddy's street tire shoot out, all the V8 guys complained that his Supra didnt have any low end power which helped the car hook and get out a ways before it put full power to the ground. Paul's Supra actualy doesnt lift the tires TILL the 60ft mark.



hey man...you dont have to tell me. I used to be into that game too. remeber my old SR setup. full boost @ 5250, 7750 revlimit. 2500 RPM of fun. hell i'm shooting for 3000 rpm of fun thinking it's an achievement!!

killjoy
12-05-2004, 04:14 PM
Dennis, will you elaborate more on using the 6spd manny tranny from the g35/350z? Did you make an adaptor plate in house? Have you done one for the sr?

Also, these cars made good power, but do you think that the power level is "peaky" enough that cars with less power will run faster 1/4 mile times because of better powerbands?

NOSTALGIC_HERO
12-05-2004, 06:37 PM
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL770/2916181/5887676/75569787.jpg


HAHA!! I SEE YOU POWER STEERING!!

turboka24
12-05-2004, 06:49 PM
what ever happened to ZMIKEs 240sx from byp? with the crazy exhaust mani. did that make it to the dyno?

Cool_Lee
12-06-2004, 12:29 AM
BYP has the KA shizzit on lock.

flip240
12-06-2004, 12:40 AM
BYP has the KA shizzit on lock.


Lets not mistake this for a pissing war, they're just comparing #s to set their goals.

IvanTurbo240
12-06-2004, 12:54 AM
BYP has the KA shizzit on lock.


Lets not mistake this for a pissing war, they're just comparing #s to set their goals.



Phil... you speak "jive"???? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I am not too sure what he meant but if he is saying that they will always have the highest HP KA, then he will be suprised in the not too distant future. If he is saying that they know what they are doing when it comes to making HP from the KA, then he is correct. I am extreamly happy with the numbers they seemed to have made and congradulate them on an awesome goal for me to surpass http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cool_Lee
12-06-2004, 01:55 AM
Having insight to the BYP network, I would like to reiterate what was said previously. The two customers' cars are just that...customers' cars. BYP has two race cars underway and they're going to be ballistic. I'm just trying to be realistic and put things in perspective. For the last 5 or so years BYP has been rewriting what the so called high performance aftermarket tuners and sport compact media deemed the KA24. An antiquated truck motor. The KA was never given any respect. It was made to look inferior to an SR20. The guys at BYP has been there...done that. When all of the so called Nissan dons were asked about the KAs performance potential and future performance parts we were told, "there is no future". Every part had to be home brewed, tested, and showcased just to prove a point. As was previously mentioned, dyno sheets don't mean jack. Dyno videos...same thing. Action speaks louder than paper and footage. Also, in typical BYP fashion, there are videos of the dyno testing coming but, with a twist. This Moroso event on Sunday the 12th will most likely be accommodated with it and like I said, it will be in typical BYP fashion. So jus' chill. That's jive for 'wait and see.'

BlackBomber
12-06-2004, 08:06 AM
What a lot of people fail to realize as well is there are tuners out there that have made a ton of power that never post on a public forum. I bet there are other high horsepower SRs and KAs that we don't necessarily know about.

killjoy
12-06-2004, 10:42 AM
What a lot of people fail to realize as well is there are tuners out there that have made a ton of power that never post on a public forum. I bet there are other high horsepower SRs and KAs that we don't necessarily know about.



Yeah, I was thinking about that too, Jay. I was thinking that back when I claimed fastest 240 in MD that I was only the fastest of the people I knew on the boards:)

BTW, Dennis, still waiting for you to respond...tks.

klattr1
12-06-2004, 11:32 AM
Dennis,
for future reference when at the dyno, just have them pull up the dyno sheet on the screen and then hit the "Print Scrn" button on your keyboard. Then you can paste it into a picture program even like "Microsoft Paint" and then save it onto a disk. This will save you time in the future so you dont have to scan in sheets every time.

Congrats BTW!!, I cant wait for the video. I hope this one has plenty of car noise instead of background music drowning on the sounds of the motors. lol

Vapor
12-06-2004, 11:40 AM
easier way is to right click, and select "export dialog", choose 800x600 and make sure its BMP not metafile, then choose where you want to save it and name, etc.

Enthalpy
12-06-2004, 12:02 PM
that's if htey are using winPEP 6.x

in winpep 7.x you can view the graph full screen. then pull down the "file" menu and select export graph. this gives you the option to select .jpg or .bmp select .jpg to be forum friendlY!!

klattr1
12-06-2004, 12:12 PM
even better!

sc300
12-07-2004, 01:45 AM
wow..nice numbers! Now go run some 1/4 mile times toback up those numbers..Damn, there are alot of high powerd KAs out there now..Wonder why that is???

ps..install some nitrous and spray that motor to see how much it really makes.. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif


duy

Barney_240
12-07-2004, 08:10 AM
wow..nice numbers! Now go run some 1/4 mile times toback up those numbers..Damn, there are alot of high powerd KAs out there now..Wonder why that is???

ps..install some nitrous and spray that motor to see how much it really makes.. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif


duy




can't wait until they get there haltek back http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif ... or when they send it ..hehe ... so they could push more psi on that baby .. do i smell 700's ? hehe

sc300
12-12-2004, 10:22 PM
Any news about these numbers??? any times??? When are we gonna see some times to back these numbers up??

Damn it...im gonna get on the dyno this week and post some 700hp too..."corrected" ofcourse..hehehee

Turbob15sentra
12-13-2004, 02:25 AM
Nice numbers Dennis... I used to follow you guys closely back when you had the FWD drag car up and running. We don't deal so much with the older SE-R's.. but we're hell on wheels with the new (B15) SE-R.. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://www.fi-r.com/images/specv-turbo-tec2-pump.jpg
Car made 401whp/350ft lbs of TQ on 93 octane at 18psi of boost on a GT30R. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif And they said that the QR sucked.. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif


I've got a little something up my sleeve in the way of a nasty KA build up for a car in the shop. I'll probably be mid 500's when it's over with. I was also looking into the 350z/G35 tranny as a solution to the breakage issues. A Tremec also crossed my mind. I gave up my S13 after breaking a tranny and rear end on the two times that I actually drove it. Here's my car.

http://www.fi-r.com/images/My%20240sx%20Project%20DONE!.jpg
http://www.fi-r.com/images/My%20240sx%20Project48.jpg
http://www.fi-r.com/images/661whp%20Dyno%20Chart.jpg

This was 29-30psi of boost (fluctuated a little) and a 80 shot of nitrous. Looking at the chart.. you can probably tell why I never could keep the tranny/rear end from exploding when we squeezed on it. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif I got tired of it though.. It realy wasn't streetable.. although I'm not sure what I was expecting. It was scary though... I almost pissed my pants when the back end came out at 100mph.

I'm putting something a lot more mild in the car now.. just a turbo KA with a GT30R on it. Around 400whp max... That'll get me deep into the 11's.. maybe high 10's. The car is pretty light, and I'm working on a solid axle rear end for it.

Travis

GlacierFreeze
12-14-2004, 12:32 AM
661whp, holy hell that's crazy. Awesomeness. Too bad you didn't keep going with it and see what you could get out of it on the strip. Ahh well, I can't say I don't blame you because I've never really been in a car with lots of power and I'm sure 300whp would make me tense lol.

killjoy
12-14-2004, 08:08 AM
Damn Travis that dynograph is funny. At 4300 you have a little over a 100 hp and 1K later you have 500. Must have been a fun ride. You will like the 400 better though. Though you made so much more with the current setup, I would be willing to bet that it isn't that much faster than a better powerband setup with 400hp. Nice work.

Turbob15sentra
12-15-2004, 01:18 AM
Damn Travis that dynograph is funny. At 4300 you have a little over a 100 hp and 1K later you have 500. Must have been a fun ride. You will like the 400 better though. Though you made so much more with the current setup, I would be willing to bet that it isn't that much faster than a better powerband setup with 400hp. Nice work.



Now, you know why I got rid of it.. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif It wasn't very useable..

Travis

nissandet240
12-15-2004, 04:31 AM
wow. don you guys have something else to spend your money on other things than cars....don you guys have girl friends...?????? just a joke
thats some sick numbers...
I miss my truck engine http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif but im gratefull i have a 6 speed thoug http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif




This sounds awesome. Lets see the vids and dyno sheets.

You say your going to be racing this next season. What series and class are you going to be in??



yeah.. hopefully it's going to be a sick year for the Nissans! We are actually about 2 years behind with the FWD Nissan.. but i guess all things happen for a reason.. timing...Sponsors..cash flow.. but all and all.. we should be ready for this season 05. I am a FWD man, and have a 95 Sentra SE-R with an Altima KA24DE setup "KA-R" I will be running in the Hot Rod Class.. and my partner has a 95 240SX that he will be running in the Street tire class. Honestly.. I will be looking for 900FWHP and he would be looking for 850RWHP in the 240sx. If some potential sponsors work out for the Street legal class.. we would get a G35 and put a KA24DE into it!!!! That's our plans for next year.. and so far... everything looks a go.. eventhough the racing season in Florida sucked due to the Hurricane Drive Bye's we had... but such is life.. and I can live with that.

killjoy
12-15-2004, 07:51 AM
I am still waiting for somebody to post about the z33 tranny adapter. That is probably the only thing I would like to do to my car that hasn't been done (beside run 10's;)).

IvanTurbo240
12-17-2004, 12:15 AM
Where are the VIDOES??????

shiftdowns13
06-19-2006, 01:04 PM
718whp
http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12839

video's of it are in the video section
so is a video of his 9.3sec 1/4

Zero4SPL
06-20-2006, 08:04 AM
hey man...you dont have to tell me. I used to be into that game too. remeber my old SR setup. full boost @ 5250, 7750 revlimit. 2500 RPM of fun. hell i'm shooting for 3000 rpm of fun thinking it's an achievement!!

How bout full boost @ 7000, 10.5K rev limit?

TEKVICIOUS
06-21-2006, 04:01 AM
You guys revived this thread?? Geeeeeeeez... :(