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VIP_S14
01-19-2002, 01:28 PM
Dress UP Car Magazine, July 2001


A few SoCal 240SX members and their 240SXs were featured in the Japanese Magazine Dress UP Car.
http://www.socal240sx.org/articles/images/dressupcar1.jpg
This isn't Non Fujita's first magazine appearance, but only occasionally you see him in a Japanese magazine. http://www.socal240sx.org/articles/images/dressupcar2.jpg
One of the best features of the 240SX is its ability to work well with many different styles of modification.
http://www.socal240sx.org/articles/images/dressupcar3.jpg

**DONOTDELETE**
01-19-2002, 01:55 PM
Thanks. No link or anything?

Mav1178
01-19-2002, 04:46 PM
Thanks for ripping the pictures off of our site without mentioning it.

-alex

VIP_S14
01-19-2002, 05:27 PM
No Problem

Mav1178
01-19-2002, 07:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NiteKids:
No Problem<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, you have a serious attitude problem.

I could care less if you used the pictures from our site, but at least give credit to where the pictures are at, who scanned them, who are in the pictures, etc.

Don't go around with this childish attitude, it will get you nowhere.

-alex

StealthmodeS14
01-19-2002, 07:47 PM
I always ask myself what exactly compels me to waste time and read Nitekids posts.....to this day each one has been a dissapointment http://www.freshalloy.com/

Mav1178
01-19-2002, 07:51 PM
And just a warning to you...

If you want to use our links and pictures without giving credit to the site, go ahead, but keep in mind that we are doing www.socal240sx.org (http://www.socal240sx.org) out of our own free time. If people (like you) aren't going to be appreciative and respectful of what we are trying to do for the internet 240SX community, we simply won't have a site in the future.

It would be your loss, and everyone's loss.

And if you think I'm angry about this, it's because I AM! The guys who have worked on the site (and maintains the server on which the site is hosted on) do this because they like to provide such a site for 240SX enthusiasts. To not acknowledge them for the work they is the equivilant of slapping them in the face, and to have it come from other members of the 240SX community is to add injury to insult.

-alex

**DONOTDELETE**
01-19-2002, 08:29 PM
thats cool, the club me an some friends just started, called SLICC, short for South Louisiana Import Car Club hopes to get some atention in mags one day. i'm pretty sure we can too. he have hondas, mitsu's, a coouple of nissan's, some subaru's, and of course tome toyotas. i aplaud your club's work Mav1178, it's not every day you see a good club getting good exposiur http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
01-19-2002, 09:39 PM
Alex- I was wondering, did Super Street and Dress Up give you permission to scan and post their copyrighted magazines?
On the Socal site, they don't list magazine credits at all, nor is anything even mentioned of the images being the property of xx magazine or another.

I'm only asking because I went to the SoCal site, looking for more info about the articles and pictures, and could find nothing.

By the way, the articles look great. Too bad the text is so small that I can't read it http://www.freshalloy.com/
-B

[ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: Senna ]

mrmephistopheles
01-19-2002, 10:50 PM
Senna, (IIRC)-actually the purpose of the text being unreadable is that persons wanting to read the text would have to find/purchase a copy for themselves, thereby not taking any revenue from said magazines.

Kevin

edit: slaying the typo monster

[ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: mrmephistopheles ]

JonCarson
01-20-2002, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Senna:
Alex- I was wondering, did Super Street and Dress Up give you permission to scan and post their copyrighted magazines?
On the Socal site, they don't list magazine credits at all, nor is anything even mentioned of the images being the property of xx magazine or another.

I'm only asking because I went to the SoCal site, looking for more info about the articles and pictures, and could find nothing.

By the way, the articles look great. Too bad the text is so small that I can't read it http://www.freshalloy.com/
-B

[ 01-19-2002: Message edited by: Senna ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can not answer for Alex or anyone else in the pictures, but I do believe that they have permission.

They are, afterall, the subject of the articles and pictures. If I allowed a magazine to take pictures of my car (or me) and write about it, I would certainly maintain the right to scan, post, whatever that material.

Jonathan

Mav1178
01-20-2002, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Senna:
Alex- I was wondering, did Super Street and Dress Up give you permission to scan and post their copyrighted magazines?
On the Socal site, they don't list magazine credits at all, nor is anything even mentioned of the images being the property of xx magazine or another.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We do not have written permission, but we did acknowledge the issue and the magazine it came out of, instead of simply scanning it and posting it.

If you want to make this post as an argument against what I wrote to Nitekids, that's fine, but what we did with the two magazine shoots is the same as scanning the Nissan sales brochure, distributing copies of FSM's, or even posting the info from FSM's to the internet. By simply quoting a FSM for technical tips, we're violating Nissan's copyrights. So, what are we supposed to do? Put a "R. 19xx Nissan Motor Corp." behind every post that we use the FSM to reference as? Or everytime we say "240SX" on the internet we have to make a note that it is a registered trademark of Nissan?

The whole point of us even scanning the pictures is to show that 240SX owners (specifically SoCal 240SX owners) are getting exposure in said magazines, nothing more. Like Kevin said, we just scanned them small so that it is not readable, so we won't screw over the publishers.

If copyright is such an issue for you, then pretty much every other post (or even this forum and website) would have copyright infringement issues.

-alex

Mav1178
01-20-2002, 01:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 240sx_Silvia:
thats cool, the club me an some friends just started, called SLICC, short for South Louisiana Import Car Club hopes to get some atention in mags one day. i'm pretty sure we can too. he have hondas, mitsu's, a coouple of nissan's, some subaru's, and of course tome toyotas. i aplaud your club's work Mav1178, it's not every day you see a good club getting good exposiur http://www.freshalloy.com/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We're not a "club", we're just a website dedicated to SoCal240SX members. It is simply a way for SoCal folks to find out more info on future meets, have access to some technical FAQ, and find out info on SoCal 240SX's in the profile section (which would be opened up real soon).

-alex

**DONOTDELETE**
01-20-2002, 02:57 PM
Alex, I don't have copyright issues at all, nor am I making this into an argument. I know people borrow pics all the time (I've done it) and unfortunately, rarely do they credit them.

No need to be so defensive http://www.freshalloy.com/

-B

Edit- thanks for clarifying why the text is so small. It makes a lot of sense now.

[ 01-20-2002: Message edited by: Senna ]

97KAT
01-20-2002, 03:38 PM
Can anyone translate the Japanese to English?
It would be interesting to see what they think about the North American 240.

Mav1178
01-20-2002, 05:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Senna:
Alex, I don't have copyright issues at all, nor am I making this into an argument. I know people borrow pics all the time (I've done it) and unfortunately, rarely do they credit them.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If that's the case, we did credit Super Street and Dress Up Car magazine by listing the magazine and the month/year it was published.

-alex

JonCarson
01-21-2002, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 1997 240 sx se:
Can anyone translate the Japanese to English?
It would be interesting to see what they think about the North American 240.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I remember correctly after reading going through that article, they don't say what they think about the North American 240SX.

They pretty much just talk about what these guys did to their cars and they curiously suggest that Alex's set up is good for drift. I can tell you right now, that Alex didn't say or suggest that to them. http://www.freshalloy.com/

Yury S Lyalko
01-21-2002, 11:03 AM
Maybe i should keep my mouth shut on this one, but anyhow.
Alex, this is a public NON profit forum to the users.
Whatever pictures we have on here, they are 'suposedly' not producing any gain to the user that posted them. NiteKids posted the pictures to share them with us, because he was impressed and thought he will share his findings. He will not be making money from the fact nor will he gain anything from posting the pics here. Hence, he doesn't really deserve to have it thrown in his face like that.
I am not very up to speed on internet copyright laws, but i think i am right.
If he were to post one of teh pictures on ebay to sell a set of wheels, that are the same as on your car, then you can have his bummm. Not in this case tho.
just my thoughts...

Yury Lyalko www.srswap.com (http://www.srswap.com)

**DONOTDELETE**
01-21-2002, 11:17 AM
I agree. I think its lame that someone as innocent as Nitekids posts a link to your site and with your pics, giving you props on your article - and in return you nitpick him for his interest.

Damn Alex, there are better things to nitpick at. Its like me getting angry that someone says "hey look at these cool lights I found" and they just happen NOT to mention the name of my site.

I went to the properties of those images and they were all assigned to your site. Like I said, no harm done.. he didnt STEAL them.. he linked them. I dont think its rude at all.. I would consider it a compliment.

- Mike

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BostonS14:
Maybe i should keep my mouth shut on this one, but anyhow.
Alex, this is a public NON profit forum to the users.
Whatever pictures we have on here, they are 'suposedly' not producing any gain to the user that posted them. NiteKids posted the pictures to share them with us, because he was impressed and thought he will share his findings. He will not be making money from the fact nor will he gain anything from posting the pics here. Hence, he doesn't really deserve to have it thrown in his face like that.
I am not very up to speed on internet copyright laws, but i think i am right.
If he were to post one of teh pictures on ebay to sell a set of wheels, that are the same as on your car, then you can have his bummm. Not in this case tho.
just my thoughts...

Yury Lyalko www.srswap.com (http://www.srswap.com)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mav1178
01-21-2002, 02:58 PM
... I give up. Maybe I am just an internet *******.

Flame me all you want. If you think what I did is wrong, that's your opinion completely. I did what I had to do to protect our site. If asking for Nitekids to mention www.socal240sx.org (http://www.socal240sx.org) is too much, then next time I won't ever mention it, since no one cares.

-alex

**DONOTDELETE**
01-21-2002, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mav1178:
[QB...since no one cares...[/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, Alex, there's where you're mistaken. We do care, and we do want to see proper credits given to your site. (at least I do)

No one is flaming you- we are having a pretty decent discussion of what can be consider proper "netiquette" in this scenario... Part of the reason I like this forum is because so many of the members are invaluable resources to the 240 community- you being one of those resources... but we could all use a deep breath now and then.

You could have just said to Nitekids- "By the way, those are from our site, and please credit it" Maybe he just didn't know better?

And do please keep in mind, what each person considers proper internet procedure may be different; hopefully we can come to an even ground without attacking each other.

-B

**DONOTDELETE**
01-21-2002, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR> I agree. I think its lame that someone as innocent as Nitekids posts a link to your site and with your pics, giving you props on your article - and in return you nitpick him for his interest<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Umm, Nitekids didn't give props to the article or the owners. What he did do was post the images without noting the host, or the people who'd done the effort.

Sounds like all Alex was looking for was a "I found these images on www.socal240sx.org" (http://www.socal240sx.org) Not too much to ask considering that they're paying to host the images.

Alex, I'm on your side on this, just for the principal of the thing. I've had to close down one of my websites due to some of my content being linked so heavily that I couldn't afford the bandwidth. If the traffic on the site would have been higher (i.e. if the people who linked my images had linked to the site instead or at least tried to send a few people my way) the advertisers would have kept paying enough for the site to stay up.

Mav1178
01-21-2002, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Senna:

You could have just said to Nitekids- "By the way, those are from our site, and please credit it" Maybe he just didn't know better?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My whole beef with the thread is his response. "No problem." is what he said.

With this kind of unappreciative attitude, it's even a miracle why we have to put up with this BS year after year. And to have other people flaming me for what I am standing up for just hurts more...

I could really care less about him taking the pictures from our site and posting it 20000 other places, as long as he says that it is from our site. To simply brush it off as "no problem" is having no respect for us.

Mike and Yury, I really hope you understand where I am coming from. It is not about copyrights, it is not about protection of intellectual property, it is about giving us some respect. If Nitekids simply put "linked from www.socal240sx.org" (http://www.socal240sx.org) in his post, I wouldn't have cared. Even after I posted my response, he still doesn't care about putting that in his post.

To Nitekids: If you want us to help you, show us more respect. I could've gotten you some R33 turn signals for dirt cheap, but because of your lack of respect for other forum members, I chose not to help you. Maybe you should take that as constructive advice. Treat others like how you want others to treat you.

-alex

Mav1178
01-21-2002, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike Herbst:


Umm, Nitekids didn't give props to the article or the owners. What he did do was post the images without noting the host, or the people who'd done the effort.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To add onto your post:
http://www.socal240sx.org/articles/dressupcar0701.html

Go there.

Go read what is written on our page.

And go read Nitekids' first post in this thread.

He didn't just link the pictures, he copied our entire page and posted it like he wrote the post.

Now do you guys see why I am angry about this?

-alex

[ 01-21-2002: Message edited by: Mav1178 ]

**DONOTDELETE**
01-21-2002, 06:56 PM
I see why Alex would be angry. Nitekids gave him a smart ass reply when all he wanted was some recognition. That coupled with the fact that Nitekids doesnt have the best of reps around here, with his sometimes close minded remarks, would make me mad too.

I think Nons car is a little over the top, Im not into big wings and small sideview mirrors, but I guess its a good rolling advertisement for his company.