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Deathmage
11-05-2005, 02:50 PM
I have a friend that's got a turbo 200sx. Is there anything you can do with this? It's a hunk of junk but it runs. If it was a 240sx, I would've gladly taken it off his hands, but dunno too much about this one.

wperdigon
11-05-2005, 02:53 PM
well, what year and how many miles does it have? it might be worth something to someone but less to someone else - give us more details...

Deathmage
11-05-2005, 03:02 PM
well, what year and how many miles does it have? it might be worth something to someone but less to someone else - give us more details...



it's a mid/ late 80's model. I was just wondering if it's even worth an engine swap or modding it. It's got about 70k original miles or something.

Five10PacksDE
11-05-2005, 03:36 PM
Is it a rwd 200sx turbo? That is teh s12 or known as teh gazelle in japan and australia. JDM and aussie ones come with the same engine as the r31 skyline, fj20et. 4 cyl cast iron block with 200hp. Great engine. After 1986, the turbo models come with a clutch type lsd that is a lot better than the vlsds in 240sx. The rear suspension is very similar to the z31, 300zx, 280zx, and the 510. You have to be a little more creative with suspension tuning and upgrades, there are a few ways to go. check out this site http://www.club-s12.org/

SHIFT_6speeds
11-05-2005, 10:45 PM
Having the 200SX name in the sentra heading is causing confusion. Any 200SX that is not the b-14 based 1995-1999 200SX is NOT the sentra one.

SHIFT_6speeds
11-05-2005, 10:50 PM
I have a friend that's got a turbo 200sx. Is there anything you can do with this? It's a hunk of junk but it runs. If it was a 240sx, I would've gladly taken it off his hands, but dunno too much about this one.



Chances are it is similar to this:

http://www.adclassix.com/images/84200sx.jpg

...no sentra based unit there.

Deathmage
11-06-2005, 01:11 PM
I have a friend that's got a turbo 200sx. Is there anything you can do with this? It's a hunk of junk but it runs. If it was a 240sx, I would've gladly taken it off his hands, but dunno too much about this one.



that's exactly it! it's red, even.
I dunno jack about this car, though or even if it has any potential. I assume it's a rwd..

Chances are it is similar to this:

http://www.adclassix.com/images/84200sx.jpg

...no sentra based unit there.

Nakazatos_U11
11-07-2005, 12:19 AM
Yup, RWD.... in all honesty I wouldn't mind having one just to mess with it. This is the JDM S12 Nissan Silvia. Speaking of swaps, wonder if a SR20DET would be made to fit?

Five10PacksDE
11-07-2005, 04:53 PM
I am not 100% sure. There are not many forums except 2 I have seen. If the engine were still widly available, I would take the fj20et over the sr20det anyday. The rear suspension is very similar to the datsun 510. So rear crossmemeber needs to be slotted, of eccentric bolts can be used for adjustment, but eccentrics are not recomended. Front struts are insert type struts and still weigh a bit like all nissans up to 1989. A lot of stuff will not be available off the shelfe and bolt on, so look into a couple things to get fabed, if yodu cannot do it yourself.

Five10PacksDE
11-09-2005, 12:46 AM
I don't know if it is a myth, but i hear they are heavy. true?

MikeSable
11-10-2005, 03:04 AM
Not at all. Four cylinder coupes weighed in between 2400 and 2500 lbs, hatchbacks between 2500 and 2600. The later V6s weight a bit more, though.

Five10PacksDE
11-10-2005, 06:46 PM
Oh, that is not too bad. I was even considering one at one point. A lot of people are into 1986 corolla rwd's, but I think this is a better platform IMO. r200 rear end with irs, and way too many engine swaps available. ca, sr, ka, vg, etc

Deathmage
11-10-2005, 08:58 PM
hmmm.. thanks for the input fellaz.. it seems like getting the parts and all the effort may not be worth it.. but, I'm gonna keep digging into it, though.

seishuku
11-14-2005, 01:03 AM
S12 200SX, 84-88... The various motors in the US models were CA18ET (84-86 Turbo), CA20E (84-88 XE), and VG30E (87-88 SE), the non-US models got the same engines except the VG30E, but got the legendary FJ20E and FJ20ET, and later model (and extremely rare) turbos that got an intercooled CA18DET with an LSD option.

Handling is pretty decent, not as good as the S13/S14/S15/etc, but it's good for a 20 year old car.
Suspension consists of a S130 (280ZX) front, and Z31 (300ZX) rear.

Pretty much any Nissan motor will drop in, with about as much effort as putting a motor into a S13 or S14.

I'm personally putting an S14 SR20DE into my 87.

Current engine swaps have been: KA24DE, CA18DET, SR20DE, SR20DET, RB20DET, VG30DETT (actually that's not completely verified), VH45DE. That's all I remember off the top of my head.

Head on over to http://www.club-s12.org for more information.

There also was another earlier 200SX here in the US, which was the S10 and S110... But I know a lot more about the S12.

Five10PacksDE
11-17-2005, 04:21 AM
Deathmage , if you part it out, I might consider buying your diff, if it is a LSD. Have u decided to keep it? I could help you out with some of the strut mods, if u decide to keep it. I could trade u some labor and my r160 for your r200. Lol

darthnismo
12-07-2005, 03:42 PM
I owned an FJ S12 and it is basically a short blunt club, great straight line monster. The FJ is of course the engine but were I in the states I would swap in an S13 CA18DET. FJ support in America is virtually non-existent and you can't have any of my gear! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It is kind of heavy for such a small car but that translates into one stiff car. It is a great platform for a project, it shares a lot of interchangability with the Z31 300Z as well. I converted mine to five-lug using Z31 hubs and trew some GT-R brakes an wheels on there. Looked wild.

Five10PacksDE
12-07-2005, 04:22 PM
Sounds cool. U got any pictures? Yeah, fj20 is a hard engine to get parts for here in hte usa. A lot of people don't ev en know about it. Sr20 this sr20 that. I think the sr20 is overrated.

cardriver
12-07-2005, 05:31 PM
BS SR is the ish...youre just jelous.
hahahahaha
dude i think finding parts for the FJ is almost as rare as the S20 motor and thats in japan.

seishuku
12-08-2005, 04:05 AM
Yea, the SR is a bit over used... In an S13 or S14.
This ain't no S13/S14. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif There are only a handful of S12's that actually have had motor swaps done.

I went with an SR because parts are easy to find, plus the one I have is only 6 years old and Nissan still supports it. Also my SR isn't a run of the mill SR, it isn't a turbo.

montyz81
12-08-2005, 02:35 PM
I had an 82 200SX with a Naps Z engine. That was one of the best cars I have ever own. vEry well put together car and very nice runn/handling/performing car with only 110hp. I think the engine was a 2.2 ltr. it was pulled right from the Datsun 720.

darthnismo
12-09-2005, 07:17 AM
I just picked up a scweet booster for the FJ, twin TD05Hs on a stainless manifold. I may have touched myself while staring at it earlier. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Five10PacksDE
12-09-2005, 07:51 PM
BS SR is the ish...youre just jelous.
hahahahaha
dude i think finding parts for the FJ is almost as rare as the S20 motor and thats in japan.



The fj has little support here in the usa. sr20 is a strong block like most the other nissans. valvetrain and combustion chamber are the reason I say it is not so great. If there was more aftermarket available for the fj20, I would rather have one of those to build.

MikeSable
12-10-2005, 02:26 PM
He did say that FJ parts were as rare as S20 parts...not SR20.:)

darthnismo
12-10-2005, 07:30 PM
FJ20 parts are nowhere near as rare as S20 parts. The S20 is a mythic powerplant, I have never actually been in the presence of one and I have even held an O.S. twin cam head in my paws!
The FJ is a brutal motor, if you can get one do so.

seishuku
12-11-2005, 02:06 AM
Here ya go:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/fj20det-Fj20-turbo-R31-skyline-JDM-engine-swap-motor_W0QQitemZ8020961733QQcategoryZ33716QQssPageN ameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Won't fit an S12 with out a custom intake and exhaust manifolds, but still... Someone buy it!

darthnismo
12-11-2005, 04:19 PM
It will drop in fine, there is no difference between the S12 and R30 manifolds. The engine will however bang into the hood. This is why FJ Gazelles have the hood blister. The engine came in R30s though, not R31s

seishuku
12-11-2005, 04:55 PM
The S12 came stock with the FJ during it's run in Japan, but they modified the intake so the runners are shorter. It hits the strut tower otherwise, I'm fairly sure of this.
The FJ S12's also had a hood bulge, as did the early (84) CA18ET turbo models.

Deathmage
12-11-2005, 06:44 PM
This car belongs to my buddy (not mine) .. he wanted me to look into it and see. Bottom line is that it's prolly not worth the time and effort. I'd rather go with the 240sx for a project car.

darthnismo
12-12-2005, 03:33 AM
The S12 came stock with the FJ during it's run in Japan, but they modified the intake so the runners are shorter. It hits the strut tower otherwise, I'm fairly sure of this.


My S12 had an R30 engine in it, a higher compression Turbo C model. There may have been shorter runners, I never noticed a difference. The Skyline's FJ didn't hit anything though so i see no reason why Nissan would do that. The FJ doesnt hit the strut towers on an S13 either. Hood won't close though without a bubble. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

seishuku
12-12-2005, 03:40 AM
FJ in an S13 eh? I wanna see pics! Sounds awesome, heheh.

darthnismo
12-12-2005, 03:49 AM
I couldn't find a shop willing to do an under the table inspection on it though so I pulled it back out. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I want to try it in the Skyline this time. The slope of the hood might allow me to do it without a blister.

seishuku
12-12-2005, 04:08 AM
Aw, well that's a shame. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Oh well.

Good luck with the Skyline!

Five10PacksDE
12-12-2005, 07:45 PM
He did say that FJ parts were as rare as S20 parts...not SR20.:)


yes, I know what he said. If you read the post earlier you would see we were mainly discussing a bit of sr20 vs fj. S20 is way rare.
Anyweays, have you guys ever heard of the fj24e! Sick ass NA. Fj parts could b bought with good car part connections.

davex2
06-07-2006, 02:29 PM
I am not 100% sure. There are not many forums except 2 I have seen. If the engine were still widly available, I would take the fj20et over the sr20det anyday. The rear suspension is very similar to the datsun 510. So rear crossmemeber needs to be slotted, of eccentric bolts can be used for adjustment, but eccentrics are not recomended. Front struts are insert type struts and still weigh a bit like all nissans up to 1989. A lot of stuff will not be available off the shelfe and bolt on, so look into a couple things to get fabed, if yodu cannot do it yourself.
I totally agree. the fj20 engine is an awesome engine. the rear suspension can be fitted to a 510