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**DONOTDELETE**
03-22-2002, 03:59 PM
Hey guys wasssssssssssup? I am just curious in who would WIN from a 0-90 mph race both stock(AUTOMATICS)..

97' 240sx vs. 01' Integra GS
97' 240sx vs. 99' Cavalier Z24
97' 240sx vs. 97' Eclipse RS

both automatics for all...

and has anyone found an accurate site w/ 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times for alot of cars? That show both automatic and stick...Not www.car-stats.com (http://www.car-stats.com) (suckz) If you know of any plz lemme know...

**DONOTDELETE**
03-22-2002, 04:00 PM
And if ya happen to race any of these w/ ur automatic, lemme know how the race was... Thankz http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
03-22-2002, 06:13 PM
just my opinion but since those are all crap cars my money is on the 240.....

-chris

dsc
03-22-2002, 08:19 PM
I can't believe you actually listed the Cavalier in the same catagory as the other two. an eclipse can atleast beat most minivans, a cavalier on the otherhand cannot. I'd say the teg would win, or if a 240 was in the list then I'd vote for the 240.

jmcn
03-22-2002, 08:37 PM
You could take the Eclipse easy. The Integra would probably be a little closer but you should still have a slight lead. The Cavalier I am really not sure--don't know the car well enough to judge it.

jmcn
03-22-2002, 08:41 PM
One more thing...."Accurate 0-60 and 1/4 miles" do not exist. There are so many different variables in testing the performance of automobiles--no standards exist on it. 0-60 times even from two well-respected magazines can vary as much as 1.2 seconds in some cases. Comparing 0-60 times of two cars, especially if they were not performed by the same tester with the EXACT same conditions is comparing apples to oranges.

NissanFiend
03-22-2002, 09:02 PM
the 240 has more horses than any of those cars plus its a RWD so i have my money on the 240. The weight disadvantage shouldnt be that big of a deal.

mattmartindrift
03-22-2002, 09:50 PM
i wouldn't diss too much on the stock Z24 cavelier (oh no i'm gonna get flammed for this one)...but i've seen em run 15.2 1/4mi. dead stock this is the stick but still impressive for a 4cyl. GM...

**DONOTDELETE**
03-22-2002, 10:03 PM
DSC "I can't believe you actually listed the Cavalier in the same catagory as the other two. an eclipse can atleast beat most minivans, a cavalier on the otherhand cannot. I'd say the teg would win, or if a 240 was in the list then I'd vote for the 240."

What do you mean if 240 was on the list u would vote for it ?

And the Cavalier is the Z24(the fastest model, which isnt too slow)...Which would smoke the automatic eclipse...

[ 03-22-2002, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: r0dx ]

dsc
03-22-2002, 10:19 PM
Originally posted by r0dx:
DSC "I can't believe you actually listed the Cavalier in the same catagory as the other two. an eclipse can atleast beat most minivans, a cavalier on the otherhand cannot. I'd say the teg would win, or if a 240 was in the list then I'd vote for the 240."

What do you mean if 240 was on the list u would vote for it ?

And the Cavalier is the Z24(the fastest model, which isnt too slow)...Which would smoke the automatic eclipse...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I didn't see the "97 240sx" typed in there three times for some reason, so I wasn't 100% sure if you were talking about the 240 vs those 3 cars or just those 3 cars vs eachother. I've driven a cavalier z24 auto (97) and it basically sucked, it had a little pep and didn't seem to weigh much but it's an economy car...nothing more. The auto eclipse I drove (95 or 96) felt WAY faster than the cavalier. And the auto teg (98) faster still. Unfortionately I don't remember what model teg or eclipse I drove. I've never driven an auto 240, just stick so I can't say but I'd bet the 240 would beat them all, teg comming in 2nd then eclipse then cavalier.

Edit: thought I'd add, I know I can't actually say which car is infact faster just by feel since that can be deceiving...just my observations haveing driven the cars listed...or similar atleast, i dono how much the eclipse changed.

[ 03-22-2002, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: dsc ]

AZ_Dave
03-22-2002, 10:47 PM
Dude, all 4 of those cars are slow...who really cares at that point? You are talking 17 second cars....

**DONOTDELETE**
03-23-2002, 12:46 AM
Dude Just power brake off the line and you'll smoke all those cars. Those cars you plan to race have no torque compared to the power of the ka24de! A well modded automatic is always faster than stick! You can easily make that 17sec car into a 15sec car and then work your way up. -240GT-R

**DONOTDELETE**
03-23-2002, 08:05 AM
What do you mean by power brake off the line? And uhhh give the automatic some credit it runs 16's...

03-23-2002, 10:59 AM
"Power braking" is holding the brake and pressing the gas to get the revs up. To launch, just release the brake.

Asad

AZ_Dave
03-23-2002, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by 240GT-R:
A well modded automatic is always faster than stick! <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Well I know a Turbo automatic is faster than stick when drag racing...because you don't loose boost between gears....is that what you mean by well modded?

**DONOTDELETE**
03-23-2002, 01:47 PM
Yup! Modded with a torque converter.

**DONOTDELETE**
03-23-2002, 06:46 PM
I need a torque converter and lsd. With that I could probably get 13.5 instead of 15.2.

**DONOTDELETE**
03-23-2002, 09:44 PM
sorry for newbieness to the car scene...But what is a Torque Converter?

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by r0dx:
97' 240sx vs. 01' Integra GS
97' 240sx vs. 99' Cavalier Z24
97' 240sx vs. 97' Eclipse RS
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Sounds like these races would be prime candidates for the Special Olympics

AZ_Dave
03-24-2002, 12:18 AM
I think if the '97 s14 just stared at the other cars they would go home crying... (angry eyes)

03-24-2002, 10:42 AM
Originally posted by r0dx:
sorry for newbieness to the car scene...But what is a Torque Converter?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]www.howstuffworks.com (http://www.howstuffworks.com)

Asad

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 11:39 AM
isnt cavalier toyota built? or am i confusing it as other way around. i kno in japan it was sold as the toyota cavalier

Zen S14
03-24-2002, 01:01 PM
Is "power braking" bad for the automatic transmission in our cars?

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 01:37 PM
max_burke "Sounds like these races would be prime candidates for the Special Olympics"

Dude first of all these cars arent all the slow? and why do u say that..i hope u aint dissin the 240sx.

Racing is all fun and ****, till yesterday when 4 of my friends crashed into a brick wall...all 4 died. Acura Integra doin 120mph smashed into a concrete wall http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 01:38 PM
Maybe this will change some you kids out there that want there cars sooooo fast...And are immature drivers...

b18c1-ek
03-24-2002, 01:52 PM
It's unfortunate about your friends. But, it's not a matter of making the car fast- it's a matter of how responsible the driver of that fast car is..... and I hope you're not implying that owners of fast cars are all immature http://www.freshalloy.com/

And those cars ARE THAT SLOW


Originally posted by r0dx:
Maybe this will change some you kids out there that want there cars sooooo fast...And are immature drivers...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by r0dx:
max_burke "Sounds like these races would be prime candidates for the Special Olympics"

Dude first of all these cars arent all the slow? and why do u say that..i hope u aint dissin the 240sx.

Racing is all fun and ****, till yesterday when 4 of my friends crashed into a brick wall...all 4 died. Acura Integra doin 120mph smashed into a concrete wall http://www.freshalloy.com/ <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]First off, it's just a car. Second, I own a 240SX so eat ballbag. You sound like a kid who had a car bestowed upon yourself from your parents, same with your racing buddies. Finally, your last paragraph outlined exactly why I won't condone street racing, especially when teenagers are involved.

Take it to a track.

EDIT: P.S. Yeah, they are all slow cars.

[ 03-24-2002, 03:22 PM: Message edited by: max_burke ]

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 06:37 PM
You guys talk about the slow automatic 240sx as if the manual version was a super rocket. Both cars are similar except for the gearing.

Keep in mind your ever superior manual is only at most .5 seconds faster when both cars are stock. The difference between them gets even smaller when you get enough power to finish the 1/4 mile in three gears instead of four. In those cases, three longer gears is better than four shorter ones when you end up finishing the 1/4 mile in the beginning of fourth gear.

I wouldn't be surprised if an auto with a torque converter beats a manual with clutch and shifter upgrades. Not only that, there is no need to power shift and wear out clutches.

I didn't want to respond to peoples comments, but things like "just my opinion but since those are all crap cars my money is on the 240....." sound so arrogant.

The fact is even if it is an auto, it can go faster than a manual with the same mods on the car depending on the driver. Heck I take off and pull away from my friends manual at 7psi.

Unless you are some super driver with an extraordinary car, at least put some tact in your comments.

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 06:42 PM
I'm not saying to shut up about your comments or say you shouldn't express your opinion.

I just wish people here wouldn't knock on other people's cars just because they're automatics.

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 06:49 PM
Tim, thanks for the great reply. This is exactly what I am trying to say. Everyone makes it sound like there 5-speed vs. an automatic is like a totally different car. In the long run .5 sec is not a whole lot. I mean you cant even say "My car is quicker" in .5 sec... And it all depends on the driver, a stupid moron driving 5speed, I can smoke in my automatic and lay back. Also I'm not dissing the 240SX or anything, but it's a great looking car but if i wanted to GO FAST i wouldnt get one. 240SX's are maybe meant to be quick cars in japan, but they are 155hp here...So when i ask a question bout my automatic, dont act like your 5speed is 500hp... And if "THEY ARE ALL SLOW CARS" so since your car is .5-.7 sec quicker (depending on driver) you must have a REAL fast car. http://www.freshalloy.com/

[ 03-24-2002, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: r0dx ]

b18c1-ek
03-24-2002, 06:55 PM
Correction: stock 240SX's REGARDLESS of transmission option are DOG SLOW http://www.freshalloy.com/

BTW, 0.5 seconds in the 1/4 mile is equivalent to a few BUS-LENGTHS!!!! http://www.freshalloy.com/


Originally posted by Tim:


Keep in mind your ever superior manual is only at most .5 seconds faster when both cars are stock. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]

**DONOTDELETE**
03-24-2002, 08:37 PM
Lets see here, 5280 feet in a mile, 90 miles per hour gives 475,200 feet per hour. Divide by 7200 to get feet per half second and you get 66. That's 3 solid carlengths and is what can be considered an ass whooping.

If your stock automatic S14 is only 0.5s slower in a 1/4 mile race than my stock 5-speed S13 then I'll eat my own poop.

03-25-2002, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by onevia:
isnt cavalier toyota built? or am i confusing it as other way around. i kno in japan it was sold as the toyota cavalier<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Yeah, it's the other way around. The Cavalier is built by GM, and was sold in Japan as a Toyota.

The Chevy Prizm, though, is built at NUMMI (a GM/Toyota plant in California), along with the Toyota Corolla.

Asad

**DONOTDELETE**
03-25-2002, 12:22 AM
there we go. kno it was off topic, but wanted to get that cleared up. thanks