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osofast240
05-09-2002, 04:37 AM
who will be next

www.rollhard.com (http://www.rollhard.com)
www.performancefactory.com (http://www.performancefactory.com)

F=ma
05-09-2002, 05:01 AM
Why stop there? I'd like to see a 20B fit into a 240 one of these days.

Ambush_Paddington
05-09-2002, 05:16 AM
DID you run at IDRC two weeks ago?

jesse

Ambush_Paddington
05-09-2002, 06:12 AM
Oh yea, and tell Vinny to start listing some SR stuff man, I'll tell Eloy and tell him too, lol...but im going to be building the SR at the end of the summer and looking around for options....

jesse : )

jOeHaCk98
05-09-2002, 09:23 AM
I would love to have a 2jz in my s13. The ultimate street engine for a daily driver IMO. Great for california smog laws. SR this summer or 2jz next summer. Dunno? I figure that the power to price will be the same. 2jz for 6500 @350 hp. SR redtop clip 2400 plus parts for 350hp is pretty close. and it isnt as nicely geared like the 6-speed gear box.

b18c1-ek
05-09-2002, 09:44 AM
Originally posted by jOeHaCk98:
2jz for 6500 @350 hp. SR redtop clip 2400 plus parts for 350hp is pretty close<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Unless you plan on doing the swap yourself, plan on almost doubling the $6500 figure....

**DONOTDELETE**
05-09-2002, 12:50 PM
Average SC300 Lexus 2JZ swap cost $13k to $20k. I wonder how much the 240 conversion cost. 2JZ turbo kit cost another $6k, fuel system $3k...I can't imagine.. http://www.freshalloy.com/

Wayne
Phase 2

jOeHaCk98
05-09-2002, 01:26 PM
when they discribe it as a "KIT" it doesnt seem like there would be any custom fabbing. A "KIT" is a bolt on affair to many people's definition. Maybe a little welding but nothing like mctwist's vg30et swap.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-09-2002, 01:37 PM
How much power do you actually even need or want?
if you are looking for under 400-450 rwhp, then why bother going the 2jz (more difficult) route... unless you are doing it just to be different. sr20det with turbo kit for same price and less headache(at least should be less headache!!) albeit 2jz parts are easier to come by in the US. now if you want 650 or so rwhp, then maybe 2jz is worth it since you most likely wont need to redo the internals.

b18c1-ek
05-09-2002, 05:20 PM
~400RWHP at BPU, weighing 700lbs. less than a MKIV, stock reliability- easily upgradeable to ~650RWHP with a single turbo- what's to think about? *Tim Allen's Neanderthal groan* http://www.freshalloy.com/


Originally posted by dyc1077:
How much power do you actually even need or want?
if you are looking for under 400-450 rwhp, then why bother going the 2jz (more difficult) route... unless you are doing it just to be different. sr20det with turbo kit for same price and less headache(at least should be less headache!!) albeit 2jz parts are easier to come by in the US. now if you want 650 or so rwhp, then maybe 2jz is worth it since you most likely wont need to redo the internals.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]

**DONOTDELETE**
05-09-2002, 06:11 PM
how about price? getting to 650 rwhp costs about 8k. and those ~400 rwhp numbers are getting harder to get with sucky gas and you need to get a pretty strong motor to get that number.
spend the extra 4k in parts alone that it costs and you can do up the sr20det pretty well
actually...spend the $6500 to buy another s13 and all the stuff needed for sr20det to get it to the 350-380 rwhp range...handle that first then you can come back for more if its not good enough for you then.

b18c1-ek
05-09-2002, 06:38 PM
If budget constraints are your primary argument, you're in the wrong field. No one said this swap is for everyone; it's for those who have the monetary means and desires to break 400RWHP with ease and reliability. Performance has always been synonymous to $$$, and I can afford it http://www.freshalloy.com/


Originally posted by dyc1077:
how about price? getting to 650 rwhp costs about 8k. and those ~400 rwhp numbers are getting harder to get with sucky gas and you need to get a pretty strong motor to get that number.
spend the extra 4k in parts alone that it costs and you can do up the sr20det pretty well
actually...spend the $6500 to buy another s13 and all the stuff needed for sr20det to get it to the 350-380 rwhp range...handle that first then you can come back for more if its not good enough for you then.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]

mike2016
05-10-2002, 01:25 AM
if someone can make a complete conversion kit including engine mounts and harness, then I bet someone must be interested in it. at least I will go for it. the 2JZGTE is just too strong. http://www.freshalloy.com/

Ambush_Paddington
05-10-2002, 05:38 AM
Well if you look at it from the drag racing point of view, obviosly osofast240's view, the 2Jz is one of the best drag racing motors out there.
If your trying to build a 8 second drag car i think the 2jz is a better direction than the SR. can the SR do, of course, but who here is has the experience, or can tune it to be that fast? (in NY we are) Vinny Ten is one of the 2JZ tuners/racers with a great reputation for building race cars. His is in the 8's, maybe 7's this year?? so i think that going with a swap from performance factory, and the 2jz motor was a good decision for drag racing.

Jesse.
edit: and my guess is that osofast240 will be running 8's http://www.freshalloy.com/ http://www.freshalloy.com/

[ 05-10-2002, 06:39 AM: Message edited by: LI S13 Blacktop240 ]

fast_4sho
05-10-2002, 05:48 AM
i have already emailed them out of curiosity the guy at performance factory said 15k the guy at roll hard said 3600 labor not including the engine the 15k is all inclusive.for those that were wondering.

97KAT
05-10-2002, 07:23 AM
damm, and here I am in the middle of my turbo project. That would be soo nice, but a bit much $$ for now though.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-10-2002, 12:15 PM
dang...to only dream of getting in the 8s.
well..dont forget about all the other work you will ahve to do to your car to make it legal for 8's....roll cage and other safety things coming to mind.
so 15k...those without budget constraints, go for it...
me? i d just buy a supra

Ambush_Paddington
05-10-2002, 12:21 PM
Have you seen his car though? There is much much much more than 15,000 into that car. Its a full IDRC outlaw class race car. Id post the website, but i dont want to blow up osofast spot http://www.freshalloy.com/

jesse.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-10-2002, 12:36 PM
i guess i just made some poor assumptions.
i was more talking about for people who are wanting to daily drive their cars... not people looking for full drag cars...
realistically how many people are gonna get their cars to hit 8's, 9's or even 10's?
but if your goal is 11's then sr20det should be able to get you there just as well as the 2jz.
i am not disrespecting the innovative swaps out there that allow people to be competitive in any class of drag racing...but my car will still need to be a daily driver

osofast240
05-10-2002, 01:03 PM
i d just buy a supra[/QB][/QUOTE]
you can get a 95 S14 for 5,000 and up. you can't get a supra for less than 10,000. a 240sx is 700 to 1000 lbs lighter. 240sx has a better chassis overall(drag, drift road ect). looks better.

b18c1-ek
05-10-2002, 04:48 PM
Testify! http://www.freshalloy.com/


Originally posted by osofast240:
you can get a 95 S14 for 5,000 and up. you can't get a supra for less than 10,000. a 240sx is 700 to 1000 lbs lighter. 240sx has a better chassis overall(drag, drift road ect). looks better.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]

**DONOTDELETE**
05-10-2002, 06:36 PM
i dont know squat about chassis design...but i am trying to do the math...s14 for 5k plus 15k for swap = 20k right? getting close to supra price....looks is all subjective...i personally like the look of the supra a little better but there are nice/ugly looking ones of both...
could be a better drag chassis...but dont know if i believe it since there are plenty of supras in the 10s with little chassis modification...but drift on brotha (although have you seen the jun supra drift?!?)
driving the supra is a little more fun than my s13 sr20det but thats cause its not running perfectly yet

b18c1-ek
05-10-2002, 07:30 PM
I'm sorry, I can afford both a Supra and a 240SX + 2JZ at once. http://www.freshalloy.com/ There's no sense in arguing, since all the points seem subjective. My opinion is I prefer to have a RWD car that is light, powerful, and reliable (S13 with 2JZ/VG30DETT/LS1/etc.) My intent is not to impose my view onto others, as I know that I can't and won't convince anyone else to try to share my view. You seem to base your views on budget and that doesn't work on me. http://www.freshalloy.com/


Originally posted by dyc1077:
i dont know squat about chassis design...but i am trying to do the math...s14 for 5k plus 15k for swap = 20k right? getting close to supra price....looks is all subjective...i personally like the look of the supra a little better but there are nice/ugly looking ones of both...
could be a better drag chassis...but dont know if i believe it since there are plenty of supras in the 10s with little chassis modification...but drift on brotha (although have you seen the jun supra drift?!?)
driving the supra is a little more fun than my s13 sr20det but thats cause its not running perfectly yet<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]

jOeHaCk98
05-10-2002, 09:09 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by b18c1-ek:
[QB]I'm sorry, I can afford both a Supra and a 240SX + 2JZ at once. http://www.freshalloy.com/ There's no sense in arguing, since all the points seem subjective. My opinion is I prefer to have a RWD car that is light, powerful, and reliable (S13 with 2JZ/VG30DETT/LS1/etc.) My intent is not to impose my view onto others, as I know that I can't and won't convince anyone else to try to share my view. You seem to base your views on budget and that doesn't work on me. http://www.freshalloy.com/

I would rather have an LS1 over an SR also. I just dont see it happening. I'm pretty sure I will end up with an SR and love it.

quest
05-11-2002, 12:12 AM
hmmmm, those prices look scary.
cost
If you really wanna cheap route, don't count out the 7mgte. You can find drivetrains / wrecked donor cars cheap.
labour
doubt I'd consider if I couldn't do it myself
power
It's no big deal to get 500hp/500tq... should haul in an s chasis and leave a "hot" 4cyl for dead. My buddy has a mkII 7mgte power, backed with the w58 normally aspirated 5speed. Car is crazy and cost peanuts. s13 performance should be similiar.
fit
I've done quite a few swaps, and from looking at the 7mgte on a stand recently, doesn't look "hard" to squeeze in there. You "should" be able to leave steering and brake components untouched, while retaining oe smoothness + ac. After all, they put 'em in toyota ae86s (rwd corollas) - 12s on stock motor

**DONOTDELETE**
05-11-2002, 07:00 AM
My man Quest. Comming through with the sense.
To me a 240 with a 7mgte done right would be bizarre and still cost less than the 2jtze swap.Big single turbo,big frontmount and a Mk3 engine.
(...or you could get an AE86 and put a 4g63 in it http://www.freshalloy.com/ ).
Rob

**DONOTDELETE**
05-11-2002, 08:35 AM
7MGTE's are great engine... horribly underappreciated though. Their main problem is the factory headgasket which was undertorqued from the factory (58-62lb-ft instead of ~75) which leads to blown head gaskets at higher boost. The stock Toyota ECU also cuts boost above 14psi. You could probably get a 7MGTE/tranny plus an SDS system (eliminate the quirky stock EFI system) for about the same price as an SR. The bottom end should last until around 600-700hp too!

OH, forgot to mention, 7M's seem to find their way into 240Z's fairly often in Australia.

97 S14
05-11-2002, 10:41 AM
Im not down with installing different make engine's into different cars. If I wanted a bigger motor in my S14 I'd go with a RB26DETT. If I wanted a 2JZGTE I'd either get a Supra or an SC300 and swap. IMO

osofast240
05-11-2002, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by 97 S14:
Im not down with installing different make engine's into different cars. If I wanted a bigger motor in my S14 I'd go with a RB26DETT. If I wanted a 2JZGTE I'd either get a Supra or an SC300 and swap. IMO<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]i feel the same way, my personal street car will be a 95 240, with a rb25 block and rb26 head, single turbo. but for a race car hybrids are cool.

97 S14
05-11-2002, 02:15 PM
If I were to make a race car it would probally be an 1991-1998 Miata with a 20B 3 rotor motor with a huuuuuge turbo and a rear end out of one of those Mazda van's in Japan which is supposidly almost 9 inches.