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**DONOTDELETE**
06-24-2002, 04:55 PM
Whats the best oil for my S13 SR and what spark plugs would give the best performance with minor bolt-on upgrades?

I posted this question before but got no replies.

**DONOTDELETE**
06-24-2002, 05:47 PM
Mobil 1 Synthetic 10w30 , 15w40 if you live in hot climate area. Mobil 1 came out with this new formula recently, might want to look into those.

Plugs just get the regular 300ZX Twin Turbo NGK plugs for stock setup with mild upgrades. You go colder plugs when you are pushing more PSI and larger turbo in the future.

Wayne

Mav1178
06-24-2002, 05:49 PM
Best oil would be whatever that is 5W-30 or 10W-30. It would be the best oil between longetivity, flexability to temperature changes, and efficiency of the engine.

-alex

[ 06-24-2002, 06:51 PM: Message edited by: Mav1178 ]

Mav1178
06-24-2002, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by tristarx:
Mobil 1 came out with this new formula recently, might want to look into those.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Hm I have heard discussion on the SE-R list between different people that work for the big oil companies that the new Mobil 1 tri-synthetic formula isn't a true synthetic...

Food for thought.

-alex

trsilvias13
06-24-2002, 07:10 PM
mav, i email you bout the oil question before and i took your advice ( good one by the way ). What do u think bout park plugs? what would u run yourself in a s13 redtop?

**DONOTDELETE**
06-24-2002, 07:28 PM
Alex doesn't have a 'redtop'. He has a KA top.

Wayne

AZ_Dave
06-24-2002, 08:36 PM
Alex has a "KA24DET"...license plate http://www.freshalloy.com/ silly ricer...

trsilvias13
06-24-2002, 09:17 PM
me a ricer, so u saying all because he doesnt have a sr20det, he doesnt know anything about it? I dont have a dsm or a honda, but i know somethings about it. So, what does that mean? and i already knows he has a ka24det, seen his pics and it nice by the way.

06-24-2002, 09:37 PM
Uh, you misunderstood. Alex's license plate says "KA24DET". His engine is a KA24DE. No turbo. s13sr20 wasn't calling you a ricer, he was taking a jab at Alex.

Asad

Mav1178
06-24-2002, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Stock s14:
What do u think bout park plugs? what would u run yourself in a s13 redtop?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Run the plugs that Wayne suggested.

If you can afford it, the Iridium plugs have been proven to work very well in direct fire ignition systems.

-alex

Mav1178
06-24-2002, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Mav1178:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Originally posted by tristarx:
Mobil 1 came out with this new formula recently, might want to look into those.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Hm I have heard discussion on the SE-R list between different people that work for the big oil companies that the new Mobil 1 tri-synthetic formula isn't a true synthetic...

Food for thought.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I take back what I said. Mobil 1 is still a true synthetic from the research I was able to dig up from the SE-R list archives.

-alex

**DONOTDELETE**
06-25-2002, 07:16 AM
Yes, Mobil 1 is a true full synthetic. The controversy came from Castrol (I believe). They marketed their oil as a full synthetic and there were some legal battles that ensued I think.

orion
06-25-2002, 07:37 AM
I'm afraid this thread is about to get hijacked...

Here's what I got from the Supra guys:
"...Mobil 1, a couple of years ago, USED to be FULLY (100%) synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, I believe, based on Castrol's advertising a new FULLY synthetic blend that was in fact NOT fully synthetic. At that point in time, Mobil had the ONLY fully Synthetic Blend available on commercial auto parts shelves with the exception of RoyalP, Amsoil, and Redline which were far smaller companies and not exactly targeting the same market. When you cut away the fat, the reason for the suit was profit margins, since Castrol could make their semi-synthetic and was labeling it FULL synthetic far cheaper than Mobil could create the FULL synthetic.

Castrol won the suit and was allowed to advertise their product as FULL SYNTHETIC for whatever reasons. Mobil then changed their blend from a true FULL synthetic to an organic based blend, kept the same prices, and now has a higher Profit Margin. Mobil is still good stuff but is is NOT FULLY synthetic anymore..."

From here: SupraForums.com --&gt; MKIV Tech --&gt; New Mobil 1 SuperSyn (http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46669&highlight=mobil+oil+synthetic)

Later - Brian

06-25-2002, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by orion:
Mobil then changed their blend from a true FULL synthetic to an organic based blend, kept the same prices, and now has a higher Profit Margin. Mobil is still good stuff but is is NOT FULLY synthetic anymore..."
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I'm a bit wary...this smacks of "urban legend" to me...

Asad

Beef
06-25-2002, 08:11 AM
Hmm, interesting oil info....

Regardless, here's what I use on my Redtop:

Castrol Syntec 10w-30

Had HKS platinum plugs, just put in Denso Platinums. (Essentially the same plug AKAIK) As Wayne said, use the same part number as a Z32 TT.

trsilvias13
06-25-2002, 11:24 PM
okay, sorry for goin off there for a little while.

Back onto the subject, if i were to use the 300zx twin turbo plugs, would i have to regap it ? if so to waht?

**DONOTDELETE**
06-28-2002, 07:59 AM
Good info...

But thats exactly what I need is info

Keep this thread going.

**DONOTDELETE**
06-28-2002, 08:08 AM
What about Mobil 1 15w50 for summer? Is it too much?

Mav1178
06-28-2002, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by orion:
I'm afraid this thread is about to get hijacked...

Here's what I got from the Supra guys:
"...Mobil 1, a couple of years ago, USED to be FULLY (100%) synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, I believe, based on Castrol's advertising a new FULLY synthetic blend that was in fact NOT fully synthetic. At that point in time, Mobil had the ONLY fully Synthetic Blend available on commercial auto parts shelves with the exception of RoyalP, Amsoil, and Redline which were far smaller companies and not exactly targeting the same market. When you cut away the fat, the reason for the suit was profit margins, since Castrol could make their semi-synthetic and was labeling it FULL synthetic far cheaper than Mobil could create the FULL synthetic.

Castrol won the suit and was allowed to advertise their product as FULL SYNTHETIC for whatever reasons. Mobil then changed their blend from a true FULL synthetic to an organic based blend, kept the same prices, and now has a higher Profit Margin. Mobil is still good stuff but is is NOT FULLY synthetic anymore..."

From here: SupraForums.com --&gt; MKIV Tech --&gt; New Mobil 1 SuperSyn (http://www.supraforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46669&highlight=mobil+oil+synthetic)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]And here is my rebuttal, courtesy of the SoCal-SERCA list:

Mobil 1 FAQ:
http://www.mobil1.com/supersyn/faqs.jsp

From Kit Wetzler:
From: Kit Wetzler &lt;kitwetzler@m...&gt;
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:06 am
Subject: mobil 1 SuperSyn

&gt; Actually, Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic is now a Group &gt;III base oil, not a
&gt;PAO.

I'm so sick of this rumor. Sorry Brian, but I must apply a bit of
smackage.

http://www.mobil1.com/products/trisynth/faq.jsp#faq4

Is Mobil 1 with SuperSynT a fully synthetic motor oil?

Yes, it is. To meet the demanding requirements of today's
specifications (and our customers' expectations), Mobil 1 with
SuperSynT uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins
(PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives. Each Mobil 1
with SuperSynT viscosity grade uses a unique combination of synthetic
fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade
to its specific application.

Mobil 1 is still PAO based and does not use a Group III base; it is
still Group IV/V. Castrol Syntec and Valvoline synthetic does use a
dino oil based Group III base. However, some tests have shown the new
formula has higher volatility than the older "tri-synthetic", this may
lead to slightly higher oil consumption.

The point is... Mobil 1 is still the only less than $5 a quart oil that
is fully Group IV/V. Does this mean that it's the best? Castrol Syntec
5w40 actually has a lower volatility than Mobil 1 ever had. Shrug.
That might mean less comsumption... Really, we're splitting hairs here,
folks... The key is to use a decent quality synthetic oil, and change
often, and not worry about the .05% difference. (That is the difference
in volatility)

Only time will tell if the SuperSyn anti-wear additive actually does
some good. Right now, I'm using BMW's 5w30 synthetic oil, it's only
$3.24 a quart, even locally. It's Castrol Syntec, and works great.

-kit

Brian Won's response:

From: "Brian J. Won" &lt;brian@b...&gt;
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:14 am
Subject: Re: mobil 1 SuperSyn

Kit, IIRC Mobil 1 was PAO based. Then it was reformulated to a Group III
(Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic), now in its newest reformulation (Mobil 1 with
SuperSyn), it is now PAO based again.

I've been using Mobil 1 and none of it says Mobil 1 with SuperSyn.

(picture of Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic, purchased summer 2001)
http://www.brian1.net/maxima/mobil1_april02.jpg

The following PDF,
http://www.imperialoil.com/pdf/mobil1trisynthetic.pdf
Page 2 at the bottom says "Mobil 1 Trisynthetic Series products are
manufactured from high quality petroleum base stocks, carefully blended
with selected additives."

As imperialoil.com is Esso, a major oil/gas producer who resells Mobil 1, I
assume they're a credible source...

From the links provided and previous discussion on the national Maxima
listserv, I still believe Mobil 1 was once PAO based, in Tri-Synthetic
forumla was Group III based, and now it is again in w/SuperSyn PAO based.

&gt;The point is... Mobil 1 is still the only less than $5 a quart oil that
&gt;is fully Group IV/V.

No arguement there. I need to use up the rest of my Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic
and buy Mobil 1 w/SuperSyn... http://www.freshalloy.com/

Brian

From: Kit Wetzler &lt;kitwetzler@m...&gt;
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 12:16 pm
Subject: RE: mobil 1 SuperSyn

&gt; From the links provided and previous discussion on the national
Maxima
&gt; listserv, I still believe Mobil 1 was once PAO based, in Tri-Synthetic
&gt; forumla was Group III based, and now it is again in w/SuperSyn PAO
based.

Nope.

This is flat out conjecture and completely wrong. Mobil 1 is still
based entirely on polyalphaolefin base stock. So far you've used a
reseller of Mobil 1 and an FAQ that has nothing to do with Mobil 1 as
sources, against the word of Mobil 1 themselves?

Don't take any source BUT ExxonMobil as a credible. The issue was that
Mobil 1 was going to continue selling "Tri-Synthetic" but use the name
to designate a Group III oil. For a brief period there was a section on
Mobil 1's website that made reference to a "Semi-synthetic" class of
oils and it showed "Tri-Synthetic" as being a member of that class.
Confused yet?

&gt; From the links provided and previous discussion on the national Maxima

&gt; listserv, I still believe Mobil 1 was once PAO based, in Tri-Synthetic

&gt; forumla was Group III based, and now it is again in w/SuperSyn PAO
based.

Mobil 1 is dropping that name. The original SJ rated Tri-Synthetic
shows lower volatility and a lower pour point. Why would a Group III
base stock IMPROVE the performance of that oil? If you look very
carefully, Tri-Synthetic oil with an SL rating, instead of an SJ rating
can be found in some places. This is the oil that may be Group III
basestock.

http://im1per.shutterfly.com/procserv?si=00002937301920020419012928808.J
PG&ps=0&rx=640&ry=480

Here you can see the volatility performance of SJ rated Tri-Synthetic vs
SL rated Tri-synthetic vs Mobil 1 with SuperSyn.

Really, the SL rated Tri-Synthetic has just hit the shelves, and won't
be there for long. I don't think there is a significant reason to avoid
it but I wouldn't rush out to stock up on it, also!

Mobil brought suit to Castrol because Castrol was using a Group III base
for it's synthetic oils... even though Mobil lost that suit, it'd be
pretty crappy of them to go to a group III base.

-kit

From: Kit Wetzler &lt;kitwetzler@m...&gt;
Date: Sat Apr 27, 2002 1:55 pm
Subject: RE: mobil 1 SuperSyn

&gt; As you can see the doubt regarding Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic still exists.
I
&gt; believe Mobil 1 w/SuperSyn is a PAO based oil, but I cannot find
anything
&gt; from Exxon/Mobil themselves which states that Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic is
a
&gt; PAO or Group III base oil...

You're missing something, Brian.

There are two Tri-Synthetics. One SJ and one SL. The SL rated shows
markedly lower performance. It could very well be a Group III base.
Older Tri-synthetic and the newer Mobil 1 with SuperSyn are both made
with a PAO base.

-kit


The rest of the info can be found in the archives. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoCal-SERCA and search for "Mobil 1" for posts dated in April 2002.

-alex

AlligatorMan
06-28-2002, 06:37 PM
Interesting stuff. Kind of ironic how I bought 4-1L bottles of Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic the other day. Anyway, I was just reading the back of the different containers and noticed that one of them says it meets the performance of API SL and SJ while the others are listed as SJ,SH/CF But it's properties are different than the other bottles because it's pour point is at -45 degrees celcius instead of -50. I'm confused...can anyone shed some light on this?

**DONOTDELETE**
06-28-2002, 07:47 PM
Not sure about the oil but on the sparkplug front, Zoom magazine I think? did a back to back dino test of the steel electrode sparkplugs e.g. ngk vs the platinum and iridium coated longlife sparkers. The test came back with the steel plugs giving a consistent 4kw - 5kw advantage http://www.freshalloy.com/

AlligatorMan
06-28-2002, 10:18 PM
I looked close and it seems that I picked up a bottle that was contaminated with 'SL' oil and mixed it with 'SJ' stuff. Oh well, gotta read the fine print next time...

Is Supersyn gonna be equal or better than the old 'SJ' tri-synthetic?