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**DONOTDELETE**
11-18-2000, 09:06 AM
When I say real, I mean real in the sense that this thing is a rolling chassis and not a simple sketch. I don't own this magazine, but I was sent the photo. I don't know it's story unless it's a Japan only thing right now. It actually raises more questions that it answers for me...

My quick comments: The front fascia has some great potential there, but the headlights look too much like the Celica...which would be fine if I didn't hate them on the Celica as well. It's a thumbs up though. Time will tell I guess. Enjoy.

http://www.floydian.com/~seedyrom/300ZX/NewZ/z.jpg

**DONOTDELETE**
11-18-2000, 10:26 AM
damn that's a busy cover.

car doesn't look bad at all from what i can see. however, if it weren't for the z logo on the grill, i'd have no clue what it's supposed to be (other than porsche-like).

anybody in japan with a good scanner?

**DONOTDELETE**
11-18-2000, 10:55 AM
Headlights are the latest ie. Celica, Focus, et. al. Side lines are similar to Tiburon, Mitsi. 2 years ago. This body will "spyder" as easily as the Mitsi. Current launch info. says a coupe and a convertible so imagine this one without a top. I still do not think this is the "final" but the car the japanese design studio did a few (9-12) months back. Curvature is much more pronounced on this one compared to the sketches I "didn't" see at Nissan a few weeks ago. It's pretty close though and the best real example to date.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-18-2000, 11:03 AM
That thing is UGLY.... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif Hope the US version is much different. Looks like a cross breed between an old 240sx and a Mitsubishi FTO.

[This message has been edited by HammerMan (edited 11-18-2000).]

**DONOTDELETE**
11-18-2000, 11:13 AM
Yeah those headlights are HELLA too big and fugly/gaudy!!! WTF. Between the old skool Z, and the Z32, how do they arrive at Celica/Focus? The S15 Headlights are the bomb, what the hell is this crap?!

I got this Option magazin(aug 99) and on page 99, in an article featuring shots from "Z Project Tokyo", there is a pic of a grey-blue old skool Z, I don't know what year it is, but its headlights, mounted on the extreme outer part of the fender, are incased in glass, I'd scan it if i could. It really reminds me of (for those of you familiar with Ridge Racer Type 4) the Assoluto Bisonte, its the car that they love to use the most throughout the instruction booklet, CD case etc. esp the American version.
I think the Z's headlights shoulda looked like those!

I agree, that is too 'ugly' I think that with some major re-work of the front, and using some of the bodylines from some of these 'doctored' pix, Nissan could really have something good going on. But, i dunno neither of those pix does any good, the angles don't show off the bodylines that good.

-Hyper

TitaniusMaximus
11-18-2000, 11:52 AM
That car has been around for months... and Nissan said that wasn't it either...

2HD
11-18-2000, 11:57 AM
Noooooooooooooo!

Why does it look do much like a porsche and why is it so rounded! That thing is a negative. I just hope most of these pictures that have been shown look nothing like the real one. They are not inspiring or heartstopping.

dfw_alan
11-18-2000, 03:24 PM
Leave that face and butt ugly Z in Japan and send over the spec-R S15 instead for crying out loud.

If thats the best styling Nissan can come up with when the whole automotive press is watching, then put this in bold print. Nissan has some of the worst exterior stylist in the automotive industry.

[This message has been edited by dacman (edited 11-18-2000).]

sonnym
11-18-2000, 04:41 PM
That car looks butt ugly. I hope that is not the real thing, else I will have to go and buy the Acura CL.

djcunnin
11-18-2000, 06:23 PM
My first thought was, damn, that's ugly. But then I thought, maybe Nissan wants us to think this....stay with me here. We've seen sketches and "guestimates" as to what the '03 Z will look like. We know that Nissan is very tight lipped about this car, which lends my to believe that this car is not the real Z but something to lower our expectations. I truly believe, and I hope I am right, that Nissan is on the right track with designs and that the new Z is going to knock our socks off...then again, I may be extrememly disappointed.

thearabian
11-18-2000, 06:26 PM
that thing just about looks as mean as a damn miata! i think (am hoping) that its not the design of the new Z.

however, i will comment on it:
-headlights do not match rest of car
-curves are too smooth, ie no features
-airdam does not match car
-side mirrors are nice, but overdone (91 celica has that for crying out loud)

**DONOTDELETE**
11-19-2000, 07:40 AM
that better not be it. sure the rear end may look nice, but the front end doesnt go. It's waay too smooth in the front, the look of an economy car i say, like an insight. The celica's headlights look much more integrated than these.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-19-2000, 07:49 AM
Heres another pic I found on z31.com.
Has this pic been pasted around here
before? Do you guys think its the real
thing? Looks a little different the the one
above. I think I like the red one more!
<p>
<img src="http://z31.com/unsorted/s26-fairlady-500.jpg">

**DONOTDELETE**
11-19-2000, 07:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeedyRom:
When I say real, I mean real in the sense that this thing is a rolling chassis and not a simple sketch. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Is this a joke?!!
...this thing is REALLY ugly!!!
...WHY, NISSAN??!!

**DONOTDELETE**
11-19-2000, 09:07 AM
http://z31.com/unsorted/s26-fairlady-500.jpg

this picture is much better looking than
the one above. however, this one looks like a photoshop job.

dfw_alan
11-19-2000, 11:00 AM
That car neither looks elegant for agressive.... It looks too feminine, in short a WIMP.

Problems:
- Too smooth, no real defining lines.
- Girly eyed front headlights, all it needs is some eye-liner and eye lashes.
- High wimpy stance rather than low agressive stance.
- The side crease looks like it was riped off from Celica.
- That car doesn't look like a Z at all, and as someone mentioned, it looks like a cheap economy car..... its a wonder Nissan is going to price it affordably.

PS: Why wait for such a crappy car, just ship over the S15 and call it a day.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-19-2000, 11:52 AM
i sure hope doctortae is right. that car sure looks gay. it looks very-Tiburon like and the front end looks like it would work well on an economy car--from hyundai. all nissan and Z fans should pray this car ain't it

2HD
11-19-2000, 12:44 PM
I hope your right!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by djcunnin:
My first thought was, damn, that's ugly. But then I thought, maybe Nissan wants us to think this....stay with me here. We've seen sketches and "guestimates" as to what the '03 Z will look like. We know that Nissan is very tight lipped about this car, which lends my to believe that this car is not the real Z but something to lower our expectations. I truly believe, and I hope I am right, that Nissan is on the right track with designs and that the new Z is going to knock our socks off...then again, I may be extrememly disappointed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TitaniusMaximus
11-19-2000, 04:50 PM
Yes... all of those pics have been out for about a year... and Nissan confirmed that they were not it... all these doesn't remind you of the original 240Z nor the Z32... and Nissan said it would... and plus they said that the most striking feature of the new Z is the front end... those pics, it's striking... but it's strikingly UGLY... they would look better with an Acura enblem

Infiniti
11-19-2000, 07:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by idle573:
http://z31.com/unsorted/s26-fairlady-500.jpg
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I like this car. In other shots, though, it doesnt look too good. The pic up at the top is just plain crap looking.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-20-2000, 01:04 AM
dacman wrote:
&gt;PS: Why wait for such a crappy car, just ship over the S15 and call it a day.&lt;

Ok, help me out here! I'm new here so I'm sure I missed something. What is a S15?
Thanks!

**DONOTDELETE**
11-20-2000, 10:00 AM
Phew! Good thing to as the pic above doesn't cut it. Besides, look closely at the headlights. I'd swear they are photoshop jobs to as you cannot see where the headlights and the hood seperate. Where is the hood crease or ridge show where the hood raises? I dunno. Maybe I'm seeing things but I swear those headlights look a little phony.

Zzealous

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doctor Tae:
Yes... all of those pics have been out for about a year... and Nissan confirmed that they were not it... all these doesn't remind you of the original 240Z nor the Z32... and Nissan said it would... and plus they said that the most striking feature of the new Z is the front end... those pics, it's striking... but it's strikingly UGLY... they would look better with an Acura enblem<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**DONOTDELETE**
11-20-2000, 04:55 PM
Call me HammerBoy but that thing http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif is butt ugly,ugly,ugly;I know Nissan will never do that crap out of the hell car http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/blush.gif believe or not,anyone with me http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

Infiniti
11-21-2000, 01:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zzealous:
Phew! Good thing to as the pic above doesn't cut it. Besides, look closely at the headlights. I'd swear they are photoshop jobs to as you cannot see where the headlights and the hood seperate. Where is the hood crease or ridge show where the hood raises? I dunno. Maybe I'm seeing things but I swear those headlights look a little phony.
Zzealous <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That pic is definitly photoshopped, but it doesnt mean it cant make it to production.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-21-2000, 01:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HonduhToyoKiller!:
Call me HammerBoy but that thing http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif is butt ugly,ugly,ugly;I know Nissan will never do that crap out of the hell car http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/blush.gif believe or not,anyone with me http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi. This is my first post in these forums (cool place btw). I have a 1993 S13 (bone stock), but have always dreamt of owning a Z.

In my opinion, the car in the photos looks totally **uninspiring** http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif The Z32 was a ultra-cool looking car, with a timeless design. (financial failures be damned!) If Nissan decides to produce this hyundai-porsche(??) clone, then it is surely doomed!!!

What the heck, just bring back the Z32 if they cant produce a decent "new" Z. For those of us who missed buying it the first time http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

I am with you Honduhtoyokiller, i dont think Nissan can ever afford to produce this disaster of a car http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif , probably the stylists at nissan have a good sense of humor and we are the butt of their jokes at the moment!

**DONOTDELETE**
11-25-2000, 05:02 PM
Duh!
Any of you really believe this crappy spy photo?
I'd rather believe that Princess Diana was alive and well.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-25-2000, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Buran:
Duh!
Any of you really believe this crappy spy photo?
I'd rather believe that Princess Diana was alive and well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First of all, Ouch, that was just brutal with that diana comment, i didn't like her, but come on, she is dead http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif.

I am also having trouble believing this photo because with how important the new Z car is to nissan I couldn't picture them having it completely uncovered, no tape or covering at all, and flagrently displaying a Z on the front bumper. Typically automotive company's cover the hell out of their cars making them look more like mis-colored zebras then cars. And they definately don't badge them. I find it really hard to believe that nissan would be flaunting the car like that unless like others have speculated, they are just jerking our chains. So like I said, I am having a hard time believing that some nissan engineer was just joy riding around in the new z with it totally uncovered.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-26-2000, 04:07 AM
I agree 100% in that it'd be insane of Nissan to allow a photo of a complete car that was just driving around. That also leads into the fact that the above pic is most likely not real in some way (the photoshop on the headlamps was something I noticed too) or is just a complete hoax. Even so, that's quite elaborate, but not unheardof.

The scary thing is, when I *also* showed this to someone who "didn't" see interior Nissan sketches, he said it wasn't too far off. That SCARES me...because this thing just doesn't grow on me like I thought it would...the damn lights and curves aren't right.

So again, I don't know it's origin, but it's news. The sketch like this one has been around a year, that photo has not...but it's roughly the same ugly monster. I pray it's a lot better in January.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-26-2000, 11:03 AM
Well, the second phota aint that bad, but it still isnt that great either. As for the first picture....(the red one) What can I say, it is ugly. I have squeezed better looking turds from my @ss. Sure, it's probably a test mule, but if you're going to test something on the open road, you might as well make it look good! If Nissan were to really produce that thing, I would kill myself and buy a Hyundai in protest. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
11-29-2000, 01:16 AM
Damn, all I got to say is, hella UGLY.

I think everybody in the whole world would agree, when saying "get those celica, focus looking lights out of there. Really, Nissan came up good with some nice looking lights on the S14, S15, the Skylines, and the Lambo looking lights on the Z32, but if they look like celica and focus copies, might as well copy the lights from Nissan itself and save from face from the magazine reviews when the car is released.

I'm thinking nissan is just pulling your chains to throw us off, thinking that its just gonna look like the drawings we saw, because everyone has seen then. I think the top pic was just a prototype of the drawing on the streets, and they might just be trying out the new motor.

But if that is the real thing from Japan, than I doubt the US version will look any better. Why not bring back the looks of the Z32, and just add rear fender flare(like the supra or RX7) and take out that anit squat crap, you got the new Z right there. Less pain for the brain.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-29-2000, 09:05 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PowerZ:


the Lambo looking lights on the Z32

Are you referring to the last Diablo?I thought the Lambo lights were quite Z-ish when I first saw them. I'm just saying the Z was first and it's a nice compliment to know that an Italian car was copying a Nissan design cue.

Mo
11-29-2000, 09:10 AM
Does any one else think Nissan is deliberately releasing these pics tying to get our attention? this could be used to study what people are interested in seeing and what they are expecting from this car. If this is the case lets all start posting what we all like to see.

Mohammed

**DONOTDELETE**
11-29-2000, 08:29 PM
You can clearly see the pic has been doctored and it's half fake. The rear looks pretty good in my opinon. I would like to see the Z have dual headlights kinda light the integra/tiburon/Spectra...Not saying the should copy them but I like the dual headlights. It needs to have a killer front something that would scary ya in your rear view mirror. It has to blow all the cars doors off, but have the ability to cut thourgh traffic like Berry Sanders. Oh and it needs to conner and take curves like a sports car from germany. KILLER AUDIO PLEASE AND DECENT SUNROOF UNLIKE THE MAXIMA AND PATHFINDER NEEDS TO PUSH UP HIGHER!!!!! Oh and if you Nissan is reading this please bring a veichle over like the sliva s15 because I want to get rid of my VW GTI and I won't be able to afford a Z and the Sentra SE-R won't cut it cuz it's an ugly car to flash around. I need a veichle with some sport car/coupeness kinda like an Integra TYPE R.

**DONOTDELETE**
11-29-2000, 09:52 PM
ill be right to the point.. it looks like poop.

steve

JonCarson
12-08-2000, 07:01 PM
Ok boys and girls. Want to know more about that pic?
I went down to my neighborhood Mitsuwa market to have a look at the very issue of "Best Car" pictured there in the first post.

That car is most definitely not an official Nissan release.

The car is a concept built on a Miata. Not just a Miata chassis, an entire Miata is hidden under there.
I guess thearabian's post about it looking "...as mean as a damn Miata" wasn't too far off.

The lights are fake. Ever seen the stickers simulating headlights used on top fuel funny cars' fiber glass shells? I think that's what they are.

The mag was saying that this car will be twin turbo charged with 330ps. I wouldn't get my hopes up too high.

Once I saw that this wasn't official Nissan and it was actually a Miata, I didn't care to read to much further....

The_Chosen_One
12-09-2000, 05:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Steve Carrero:
dacman wrote:
&gt;PS: Why wait for such a crappy car, just ship over the S15 and call it a day.&lt;

Ok, help me out here! I'm new here so I'm sure I missed something. What is a S15?
Thanks!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess I will reply to you Steve, the S15 is the Japanese spec (obviously none US model) 240SX 2000+. One of the most beautiful (but deadly) coupes ever made.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-09-2000, 10:51 PM
If you look really closely you can see what is supposed to be the new Integra. It's the car pictured right below that red monstrosity, the black one. I'm not sure as to how accurate that picture is, but it sure goes along with everything else I've seen.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-10-2000, 02:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Corintiano2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PowerZ:


the Lambo looking lights on the Z32

Are you referring to the last Diablo?I thought the Lambo lights were quite Z-ish when I first saw them. I'm just saying the Z was first and it's a nice compliment to know that an Italian car was copying a Nissan design cue.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, it's not Lambo. If you look at the Bughatti EB110, released in 1993, from the front, you might think that you see Z32 with a body kit.

'97 S14 SE Turbo
12-10-2000, 09:07 PM
It's much simplier that you think. The current Diablo IS using the Z32 300ZX headlights!!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Corintiano2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PowerZ:


the Lambo looking lights on the Z32

Are you referring to the last Diablo?I thought the Lambo lights were quite Z-ish when I first saw them. I'm just saying the Z was first and it's a nice compliment to know that an Italian car was copying a Nissan design cue.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**DONOTDELETE**
12-11-2000, 05:55 AM
Thanks '97 thats what I was referring to.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-11-2000, 06:02 AM
Plus the fact that this picture doesn't really resemble the latest nissan release. Go check in the nissan news section if you havn't seen the shot. I don't think it holds any bearing at all to this car.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-15-2000, 01:57 AM
Exactly, thats what I mean, even exotic cars are using Z32 lights. So if the new Z is coming out with lower class headlights(focus)wouldn't it screw over the Z's name. People probably think its a focus with body kit coming from a far distance.

Like I said, they should just slap on some fender flares, and update the performance and handling to at least the RX7, without messing up on comfort. I like the way the Z32 looks, but the Z32 has always been missing the fender flares. I bet the Z would look great with fender flares in the rear for deep dish rims and monster tires. I hate to add them myself cause it cost about 10K just to have flares, so I wouldn't fo it. Might as well save the money and get a beater(Civic hatchback).

240fan
12-26-2000, 09:31 AM
that is butt ugly, its just a ford focus for 2.5 times the money. if this is Nissans idea of an updated 240z Its worth about 13K to me.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-26-2000, 06:22 PM
If you guys really took the time to copare this car to what Nissan themselves have released, you'll realize, this isnt the car. I too was fooled for a bit by the official looking nature of this photo, but believe me this isnt it. If you want more info about what the real car is going to look like, go check out the Nissan News forum at the top of list of forums.

**DONOTDELETE**
12-29-2000, 09:34 PM
http://www.geocities.com/arikanoandy/new_z_car.jpg
This is the new Z car! It was in a magazine. This is the one that is going to be showing in Detroit.

thearabian
12-30-2000, 09:32 AM
http://www.geocities.com/thearabian/new_z_car.jpg

thearabian
12-30-2000, 09:37 AM
i took the liberty to rotate the picture so we can get a better view

comments to follow

but in one word: nice

Mo
12-30-2000, 10:39 AM
After looking at the last generations Z this picture does not have any resemble as Nissan indicated. However, it is much better looking then those pictures that has been passed in the past. I guess I have to let it grow on me, also is it me or the car looks smaller then the Z32. Whatz up with refrigerator door handles!

**DONOTDELETE**
12-30-2000, 09:02 PM
ugh.

they said it would be reminiscent of a 240z, a z32, and a porche... just looks like an audi to me.