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thearabian
02-09-2001, 07:12 PM
What we've been told:

- FR coupe
- more than 260 HP from 3.5L NA V6
- acceleration to 60 under 6 seconds
- weight unknown (probably less than Z32)

What the old Z was:

- FR coupe
- 300 HP from TT 3.0L V6
- acceleration to 60 in 6.3s
- curb weight of 3500 pounds

Competitors (only FR coupes and roadsters 200+HP):

- BMW M coupe (240HP, 0-60 in low 5, 3150lbs)
- Honda S2000 (240HP, 0-60 in mid 5, 2800lbs)
- Audi TT Cpe (225HP, 0-60 in low 6, 3300lbs)
- MB CLK 430 (290HP, 0-60 in low 6, 3350lbs)
- Boxster Cpe (250HP, 0-60 in hi 5, 2900lbs)
- Trans AM Cp (310HP, 0-60 in mid 5, 3500lbs)

these competitors all have consistent performance:
- the BMW and Honda are similar because of accel, HP and torque accounts for weight difference
- the TT and MB because TT is 4WD, lighter and has much less HP, so same acceleration
- trans AM is heavy but powerful so has high acceleration
- the Z32 comes (older technology) close to the MB in weight, power and accel

now for the extrapolation for Z33:

the variables are weight (input), power (input), acceleration (output)

say the Z has 275 HP (nicely between 260 lower limit and 300 higher limit) and a weight of 3150lbs (which is the average of the test group), the acceleration of the Z (if it has a good transmission) will be in the low-mid 5's and if the weight is closer to the boxsters' and the hondas', we can expect almost flat 5

BUT if HP is 260 and weight is 3400, accel will be closer to 6 (unlikely that power is soo low and weight is soo high)

some here say they want 10 LB/HP, that could happen, but then the acceleration would have to be below 5, which is also unlikely for the price of the car.

Conclusion: the Z will have performance very similar (even better) to the S2000 and the Boxster for a lower price, will borrow styling from the TT, will have a V engine like the Trans AM and will have as much HP as the MB V8

Real conclusion: i think Nissan is being VERY conservative on their numbers and the Z33 will be a VERY desirable car!

**DONOTDELETE**
02-09-2001, 07:39 PM
GM's F bodies are dead.
I believe the new M3 has somthing like 333hp, but its price tag makes it a non issue.

I believe Nissan is being very conservative with the new Z's power #'s. If some of the rumors are correct the next max or max se-r is going to have 280hp, and I doubt they would let it have more or equal power to the Z.

shaun
02-09-2001, 08:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
What the old Z was:

- FR coupe
- 300 HP from TT 3.0L V6
- acceleration to 60 in 6.3s
- curb weight of 3500 pounds
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

6.3 for a twin turbo????? how come every car magazine tested it to be between 5.3-5.6?? my naZ32 was in the high 6's.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-09-2001, 10:06 PM
THIS IS WAY OFF TOPIC BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO POST SO HERE IT GOES....DOES ANYONE KNOW IF NISSAN/LOLA WILL PARTICIPATE IN THIS YEARS 12 HOURS OF SEBRING...I LIVE IN SEBRING AND IF THEY ARE I'LL GO TO THE RACE IF NOT THEN FORGET IT I WON'T WASTE MY MONEY...Nissan needs to get back into racing they used to kick ass at sebring and they kicked ass in the British Touring class races and they would kick ass in rally with me as the dirve

Infiniti
02-10-2001, 11:09 AM
Talking about the M coupe and TT and Boxster isnt really fair because they cost so much more. But the Z will take the Boxster as well as the TT.

Zed
02-10-2001, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Infiniti:
Talking about the M coupe and TT and Boxster isnt really fair because they cost so much more. But the Z will take the Boxster as well as the TT.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, but they are as close as it gets for comparison purposes, which bodes well for the new Z. Arabian,nice layout of spec info but, Where did you get 6.3sec from for a TT?! In '91 C/D got 5.0 flat aginst the Stealth R/T. The latest news in another string reports Road and Track reports 3000lbs. and around 300hp from Nissan http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif . I predict low 5's as well and a spanking for all competitors.

**DONOTDELETE**
02-10-2001, 07:45 PM
That 6.3 number is wrong, i think you looked at the NA not the TT. Most common number I saw for a TT was 5.5. The new M3 according to Motor Trend is doing 0-60 in 4.8-4.9 and yes it is at 333hp.

thearabian
02-10-2001, 08:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SilverGT:
That 6.3 number is wrong, i think you looked at the NA not the TT. Most common number I saw for a TT was 5.5. The new M3 according to Motor Trend is doing 0-60 in 4.8-4.9 and yes it is at 333hp.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes i believe u are all right, i got the number from an enthusiast site and even i was surprised about the 6.3
but mid 5's makes more sense

on the contrary, i think comparing it to these expensive cars is very important because if the Z can better them, then it's smooth sailing!