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2HD
06-01-2000, 07:39 PM
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/z/image/photo.jpeg

I was checking out Honda's Japan site and stumbled upon this car. It seems as though Honda has a Z car too only this one isn't a sports car. How can Nissan and Honda have two Z's? Whos the copycat here?

GTR
06-01-2000, 08:40 PM
nissan has the original z. it dates back waaaay long time ago. exactly when the first iteration was, i dont know. but i do know that the honda z is pretty recent.

'97 S14 SE Turbo
06-02-2000, 12:39 AM
Well, the Nissan Z has always been called Fairlady Z since the roadster till the current Z32. So, in effect, Nissan does not have a car named "Z", so Honda can do whatever it wants to do...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2HD:
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/z/image/photo.jpeg

I was checking out Honda's Japan site and stumbled upon this car. It seems as though Honda has a Z car too only this one isn't a sports car. How can Nissan and Honda have two Z's? Whos the copycat here?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**DONOTDELETE**
06-02-2000, 09:23 AM
kinda looks like the butt of an Xterra connected to a ford festiva body. very odd.

i hear toyota is making a 4000GT, similar name to mitsu's 3000GT. i guess this happens a lot in japan

**DONOTDELETE**
06-02-2000, 07:12 PM
there's also that old pontiac gto http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

'97 S14 SE Turbo
06-02-2000, 11:10 PM
Actually, the Mitsu car is actually called GTO. So when they wanted to sell it in the US, they have to change to name in order not to impinge on the other GTO which is also a ripoff of the Ferrari GTO...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nsuguy:
kinda looks like the butt of an Xterra connected to a ford festiva body. very odd.

i hear toyota is making a 4000GT, similar name to mitsu's 3000GT. i guess this happens a lot in japan<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**DONOTDELETE**
06-02-2000, 11:40 PM
That's a disgrace to the Z name http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

JonCarson
06-04-2000, 05:48 PM
Well, when you're using numbers that correlate with engine displacement in one form or another, it's hard to be original.

This is also true if you're associating your car with Grande Turismo/Grand Touring of some sort. You have to put a GT in there somewhere....GT, GTO, GTS, GTR, GTX, etc....

Then there's the whole "R" thing. I guess it usually stand for "Race", right?
What performance car company hasn't had an R-type, Type-R, Spec-R, GT-R...?

Max Ima
06-04-2000, 07:41 PM
There is only one Z. The Datsun er, 240...Ok, there are only 2 Z's. One from Datsun and one from Nissan. (Sorry Beamer z3 and Z8.)

**DONOTDELETE**
06-04-2000, 08:56 PM
R stands for Rice http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

GTR
06-04-2000, 10:38 PM
umm... GTR.... Gran Turismo Rice? i think not http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

'97 S14 SE Turbo
06-04-2000, 10:47 PM
Nah! It's still a Fairlady Z from the beginning Datsun roadster till the current Z32. The Honda car is called Z, so that's the only Z. Everything else is a Z3, Z8, Fairlady Z, 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 280ZX, 300ZX.

As for the GTO, Pontiac took the name from the Ferrari GTO, which means it's a car that is suitable for racing in a series. Mitsu also wanted to capture that feel by calling their Galant based sport coupe the GTO. Earlier versions from the 70's were already called GTO. Only when the current GTO was decided to be shipped for sales in US, the name had to be changed in order not to step on the toes of GM, hence the 3000GT moniker.

The xxxxGT name is actually more a toyota thing. Their famed 2000GT is followed by the TRD2000GT which is a TRD produced MR2 Turbo with the wide fender kit. The TRD4000GT is the TRD produced Supra MKIV Turbo. So if the next gen Supra is going to be called 4000GT well, that's keeping with their tradition.

Honda's tradition is the S500, S600, S800, and now the S2000.

The GT-R moniker has been around since the 70's also in a family of cars called Skyline from Prince motor company which was eventually absorbed by Nissan motor. The Silvia name has an even longer history, longer than the Skyline family from the 60s.

Another name that has been around is the Bluebird moniker. Too bad that the name in US is of a bus manufacturer. Same thing would happen if the Skyline cars would be sold here since the name is a Ford registered name and also of a RV.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Max Ima:
There is only one Z. The Datsun er, 240...Ok, there are only 2 Z's. One from Datsun and one from Nissan. (Sorry Beamer z3 and Z8.)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TitaniusMaximus
06-05-2000, 12:37 AM
Actually... Skyline name has been around longer than the Silvia... Skyline was first born in 1958... and Silvia's first model year was 1963 or 1965... and Bluebird has been around forever...

Hey does anybody remember the Datsun 1600 and 2000 Roadster??? I want one of those... if somebody is selling a Datsun 2000 Roadster... contact me!

JonCarson
06-05-2000, 01:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doctor Tae:
Hey does anybody remember the Datsun 1600 and 2000 Roadster??? I want one of those... if somebody is selling a Datsun 2000 Roadster... contact me!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Damn Doc! How many cars you putting together?

I'd also love to have a nice little Datsun 2000, someday....