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Wobble
05-24-2002, 05:10 PM
I just bought a mitsubishi http://www.freshalloy.com/

a 97 red/tan eclipse GS-T spyder..

I couldent help it.. the price was right.. and ive been searching FOREVER for a 98 240.. and havent even come close to finding one..

its sooo nice.. fully loaded.. I mean FULLY every single option available except the auto-trans.. leather....everything.

I really hate to do it.. and I swore I would never buy a FWD car.. but sheet.. its fast, the insurance is cheap, its low milage the engine looks like it was cleaned with a tooth brush I would say you could eat off it but its too clean to even do that!

I pick it up tommorrow..

http://www.freshalloy.com/ http://www.freshalloy.com/
I know I know... spare me the abuse http://www.freshalloy.com/

sont worry though, Ill still keep my moderator job and post my "roadkills" for your enjoyment..

WTG nissan on your 98 240sx production numbers http://www.freshalloy.com/

MaximaOrange
05-24-2002, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by Wobble:
I just bought a mitsubishi http://www.freshalloy.com/

a 97 red/tan eclipse GS-T spyder..

I couldent help it.. the price was right.. and ive been searching FOREVER for a 98 240.. and havent even come close to finding one..

its sooo nice.. fully loaded.. I mean FULLY every single option available except the auto-trans.. leather....everything.

I really hate to do it.. and I swore I would never buy a FWD car.. but sheet.. its fast, the insurance is cheap, its low milage the engine looks like it was cleaned with a tooth brush I would say you could eat off it but its too clean to even do that!

I pick it up tommorrow..

http://www.freshalloy.com/ http://www.freshalloy.com/
I know I know... spare me the abuse http://www.freshalloy.com/

sont worry though, Ill still keep my moderator job and post my "roadkills" for your enjoyment..

WTG nissan on your 98 240sx production numbers http://www.freshalloy.com/ <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I think the psychological damage is already done. http://www.freshalloy.com/
But on the other hand, there are several positive points:

-It's not a HONDA
-It's got turbo
-It doesn't have to rev to 9000rpm to have power
-Torque is existent
-It's a Spyder
-Once you're done with it, you'll appreciate Nissans even more
-Did I mention, it's not a Honda

Wobble
05-24-2002, 05:32 PM
I guess I drove my friends too much, they are really fun to drive..

Plus it got me thinking, its going to be MUCH MUCH cheaper for this eclipse than a 240 in the long run.. afterall I would have to buy a 98 240 (~$10,000-12,000 assuming I find one) then upgrade via swap (~$4000-6000 plus install cost)

so I would have me a 20K car in no time and for what? 240hp or so? maby 300 (would cost more)

even with a stock GS-T you can squeeze out almost 240hp with VERY little investment.. (less than $500 easy)

**DONOTDELETE**
05-24-2002, 07:18 PM
It's got Auto tranny? Um... Wobble my man what were you thinking? I like the Eclipse GS-T, very nice car, very fast, but without a stick? The horrors, the humanity, oh the world is indeed coming into dark days. Woe is me, woe is the world. All is lost, the power of a turbo, countered by the lack of a manual transmission. I think I'm going to go weep on my little toyota's hood.

Oh wait... you said except! GLORY BE!!! Thats not so bad at all. Thats actually really cool then. I just reread your post while mourning and saw I had misread it! HAPPY DAY!

[ 05-24-2002, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: Full Throttle No Brakes ]

sil40sx
05-24-2002, 09:40 PM
why not just get an 89 for 1000 and do the swap? or even a 95 would only be around 4000. and yeah, automatic is wack, are you sure you arent going to regret it?

**DONOTDELETE**
05-24-2002, 09:51 PM
dude...

**DONOTDELETE**
05-24-2002, 10:16 PM
Wait he said except, that means he doesn't have an automatic. Maybe you should put that word in bold wobble. Cause I missed it the first time, or maybe I should learn to read. Would be easier for you to bold it though.

Wobble
05-24-2002, 10:18 PM
automatic is wack, are you sure you arent going to regret it?



every single option available except the auto-trans<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]you think Im a crackhead? a turbo with auto.. god would strike me dead..

Im just loving the car, the top comes down with the push of a button and curls up and is covered by this thing that shoots out of the trunk area..

its really neat, I didnt know this but the spyder isnt just a coup with the top chopped, the frame is different, more ridgid..

its really strange, the only way I could describe it is that it feels like the car is made of one solid piece of metal..

[ 05-24-2002, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: Wobble ]

**DONOTDELETE**
05-24-2002, 10:28 PM
Yes thank you I see now, You must not have a auto transmission. How nice of you not to get one. I noticed the bold words right away. Good thing you didn't get an auto tranny cause if God didn't strike you dead I would have too. And if your going to post kills try not to post to many Spec-V kills. Cause that would be traitorous, not to mention rude. Nissan will always rule!

Wobble
05-24-2002, 10:46 PM
aggh, the spec is a good car, I wont bug them unless the driver rates like a 50 on the tard-o-meter

johnathan_berlin
05-25-2002, 05:05 AM
you have gone to the dark side.....or......uhhhh......the uhhhh....nevermind....enjoy the mitsu

**DONOTDELETE**
05-25-2002, 12:44 PM
I rode in an Eclipse for the first time the other day and it wasn't what i expected at all. Those cars are not too bad though I wouldn't buy one. Enjoy it. Do whatever you want to do. You only live once.

inthewind
05-25-2002, 01:27 PM
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**DONOTDELETE**
05-25-2002, 02:18 PM
i have a question about autos and manuals. if turbos spool off of exhaust, then wouldn't it be faster to spool a turbo with an auto tranny? i saw a video of a plymouth reliant burn the crap out of a supra this way. the reliant driver was stepping on the brakes while he was stepping on the gas (on drive) and i can hear the turbo in his car spool up fast as hell compared to the stick supra. are autos really that bad, or is it just pure preference? what are the TRUE advantages between the two? so far, i'm starting to lean towards autos. tell me the OBJECTIVE reason(s) why my next car shouldn't be an auto. i'm really interested.

inthewind
05-25-2002, 02:25 PM
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**DONOTDELETE**
05-25-2002, 02:51 PM
well you guys started talking about how you don't like auto trans so it got me curious on why.

Wobble
05-25-2002, 03:07 PM
I dont know about other cars, but with the GS-T the auto is a full second slower in the 1/4 than the manual..

also the GST is faster than the AWD GSX for some reason

inthewind
05-25-2002, 03:32 PM
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inthewind
05-25-2002, 03:34 PM
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Wobble
05-25-2002, 03:44 PM
yea I looked it up..

oddley though the GS-T spyder (convertable) is HEAVIER than the coup.. because the spyder has a stiffened chassis and frame to compensate for nothing up top.. its only 150 pounds though

KenFuji
05-25-2002, 09:52 PM
nice buy.
at least it's a repectable car. i have never seen a 5spd spyder myself. all the ones i have raced or seen are auto. wierd.... and you still have your nissan truck right?

**DONOTDELETE**
05-26-2002, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Wobble:
yea I looked it up..

oddley though the GS-T spyder (convertable) is HEAVIER than the coup.. because the spyder has a stiffened chassis and frame to compensate for nothing up top.. its only 150 pounds though<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Where did you look it up? The numbers at Edmunds.com are rather strange - for 97 it gives the AWD GSX at 3130 lbs and the GST Spyder 2888, but for 98 the weights are 3150 vs 3050.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-27-2002, 12:49 PM
sheesh! i wonder what people are gonna say once i finally get my S2000?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]that your missing torque

and Honda is the Darkside, Mitsu is the Light to Medium Gray side...

[ 05-27-2002, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: Rikadyn ]

_ronin_
05-27-2002, 06:09 PM
Wobble i hate to be the bearer of bad news but i dont think in the long run the mit will be cheaper. Ever heard of crankwalk... do a search on the net and see what you come across.. not to mention the horrible quality of a mit... i hope you dont have to experience this firsthand though... http://www.freshalloy.com/

Wobble
05-27-2002, 06:17 PM
crankwalk is relativley rare (despite what you may read) and preventable, fixable and not as big of deal..

Plus I got it checked beforehand for that (its easy to diagnose and fix)

the GS-T spyder was free of it, and the 5 other I am looking at (trading spider in see OT) are all great..

its your typical "squeaky hinge" story, people dont erect web pages to say their car's run fine, with no problems, only when they want to piss and moan about something..

also crankwalk is only of MAJOR concern in engines that are modded for more power, because any weakness (potental of crankwalk) are more exposed..

seeing as how I decided to take the considerable financal risk of buying the vehicle, and have heard all the horror stories of this aswell. I would venture to guess I did a bit more reaserch than someone wanting to rant on someone else's car http://www.freshalloy.com/ http://www.freshalloy.com/ http://www.freshalloy.com/

and what I have found is that even if it is preasent (crankwalk) it can be EASLY lived with for cheap ($18 every 6 or 7 oil changes) to replace simple bearing, takes less than oil change. its not a big deal..

even if crankwalk is preasent (and unless your an IDIOT you will know before you buy) its not a death sentence

[ 05-27-2002, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: Wobble ]

Wobble
05-27-2002, 07:38 PM
furthermore the car(s) im looking at all have over 50k on them, at that point IF a car has had the crankwalk issue (usually noticable within 20k of the car being sold for the first time with 0 miles) it will have either been addressed or screwed (yes I admit long term ingoring it will damage the engine) so most of the higher milage 2nd gens (55k+) either dont have the problem, or have had it fixed.. and most any mechanic can tell you QUICK if its ok or not.

so actually an eclipse turbo might just be better used than when its new LOL

im missing mine so bad now.. have to wail all week to go to austin to pick out my new one (coup) grrr..

**DONOTDELETE**
05-27-2002, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by Rikadyn:
[QUOTE]and Honda is the Darkside, Mitsu is the Light to Medium Gray side...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]That was really funny. http://www.freshalloy.com/

As far as stick vs. auto. Autos shift for you which means unless you have a really aggresive program they don't drive the way YOU want them to. Kinda sucks when racing. They are more consistant that a stick though.

GS-T vs. GSX is a wash. A GSX will burn a GS-T form a stop (and just about every other car), but the GS-T will catch up on the top end. It is pretty much even weight advantage vs. traction advantage. When the mods come a GSX is easier to drive since GS-Ts start having massive traction problems because of all the torque. You have to ride in a GSX and experince a 4500+ rpm launch. It is breathtaking. Either one is great fun. You won't be dissapointed. Get a Big28 turbo and you will have lots of fun and look completely stock. I love my GSX with the 20G and 15+ lbs of boost i can run 12s on pump gas and street tires.

[ 05-27-2002, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: GSX-Dude ]

Wobble
05-27-2002, 09:16 PM
well, GSX when I get my new one, Ill have to tap yer brain on that one eh, give me a list of wahts needed..

boost controller? (manual or electrofidgit)
prices?
downsides? (if any)

also is there a way to make the turbo more audible? i love the spool up sound but on kine ya cant hear it past around 60 or so when giving it the gas..

tatsuo2k
05-27-2002, 10:26 PM
Your absolutely right on the crankwalk, Wobble.. For your generation Eclipse..

For second-gen Eclipe's this is a major problem.. Mitsu finally pulled their head out of their asses in 1996.. My gf's '95 GS-T is all shot to hell.. Going to trade it in eventually.. Piece of junk.. http://www.freshalloy.com/

Good luck with yours..

MaximaOrange
05-27-2002, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by demcj:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Originally posted by MaximaOrange:
But on the other hand, there are several positive points:

-It's not a HONDA
-It's got turbo
-It doesn't have to rev to 9000rpm to have power
-Torque is existent
-It's a Spyder
-Once you're done with it, you'll appreciate Nissans even more
-Did I mention, it's not a Honda<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]sheesh! i wonder what people are gonna say once i finally get my S2000?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Actually, the S2000 is a cool car, if it had torque. If I defected to the dark side, I would choose the S2000 over the NSX. But of course, that would never happen.

Mav1178
05-28-2002, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by demcj:
sheesh! i wonder what people are gonna say once i finally get my S2000?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I'd personally applaud you.

-alex

**DONOTDELETE**
05-28-2002, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Wobble:
well, GSX when I get my new one, Ill have to tap yer brain on that one eh, give me a list of wahts needed..<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Sure, i'll be happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability.


boost controller? (manual or electrofidgit)
prices?
downsides? (if any)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]If you want cheap get a Joe P. boost controller. www.boostcontroller.com (http://www.boostcontroller.com) They are around $50-100 for manual and $250-whatever you want to spend for an electric. Populare electric ones are ProfecB or Blitz SBC. Check www.groupbuycenter.com (http://www.groupbuycenter.com) for the occasional good deal.



also is there a way to make the turbo more audible? i love the spool up sound but on kine ya cant hear it past around 60 or so when giving it the gas..<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Yeah, remove your airbox and replace it with a K&N or similar high flow intake. Not only will it be louder it will give you 15-20 hp. If you really want to get obnoxious you can get a TurboXS RFL (guess what that stands for) here http://store.yahoo.com/machv/turrflblowva.html
I have the removed airbox, K&N and 1G BOV and managed to scare the living crap out of a little old lady once when i shifted.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-29-2002, 01:27 AM
I actually kind of like those... I think the AWD idea is great, however DSM has a bad bad bad reputation for their AWD and their differentials and drivetrains in the aforementioned.
It's a great car... the only thing that's wrong with it is that tranny you got. Those will be a pain with the lag, if you decide to tune it...

Props on the car!

And on that note, there's a '97 240 with 20K, red, auto, $15K in my area for sale. Asking too much, I think.

Wobble
05-29-2002, 04:34 AM
well AWD cars take MAJOR MAJOR strees when launching, so all the parts that take the stress of a high RPM launch must be very robust, because virtally ALL of the energy from the engine is transfered to the car, insted of losing some AL-LA spinout

**DONOTDELETE**
05-29-2002, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by S13Grl:
I actually kind of like those... I think the AWD idea is great, however DSM has a bad bad bad reputation for their AWD and their differentials and drivetrains in the aforementioned.
It's a great car... the only thing that's wrong with it is that tranny you got. Those will be a pain with the lag, if you decide to tune it...
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Actually it is the 1G DSMs with the tranny problems. I have had 0 tranny problems in 90K+ miles. That is with a few high rpm launches. Not to mention a built race tranny is ~1500 and a quafe center diff is another 1K. So for under $3000 you have a pretty much indestructable street setup.

**DONOTDELETE**
05-29-2002, 06:00 PM
My mom's got a slightly beaten up red 1990 or 1991 240sx. She definitely doesn't drive it like it needs to be driven, but she needed a car and it was available for $2000 last year. And she bought it! Even though it's over 10 years old, it's still a great car! Lucky her! So many people have commented on it; I never realized how coveted they were! Keep looking, Wobble, and you'll find the right one...then you can get rid of that Mistubishi (or keep both)!! http://www.freshalloy.com/