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**DONOTDELETE**
03-28-2002, 10:32 PM
i was just driving around from place to place while the cops kept on kickin people out of the usual hangouts... so this Si pulls next to me asking me if i wanted to race, so i asked him what he got under the hood, he said stock... so i waz like....hmmm..sounds wierd but lets go.... so we turned on the next street, got next to each other bout 5mph...3...2...1, off i went, i think he mis shifted or something so i slow down and pull up to a red light..side to side...the light turns green and i spank this crappy Si bout 4 car lengths.... didnt know Si were that slow, i knew i could beat them but not by that much, oh yeah i noticed he had intake also.... http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
03-28-2002, 11:30 PM
Tight Kill. I have raced two si's. A blue(98-99) w/exhaust. We raced from a red light, they are competitively fast but I dogged him hard in 3rd gear and beat him by at least 2 car lengths to the next light. Another was more exciting, I was on my way back from Galveston (which is about 35-45 min away) and this black(admitally tight lookin' w/exhaust) civic comes rollin' passed me at about 85 (i was going 70)I didn't want to race all that much (the cops are bad between 12-2 on weekends) anyway, then I see that it is an Si and drop it from 6th into 5th and speed up.( I hadn't race one before this) and he starts flooring it. I redline in 5th and pass, then go to sixth(he was still with me at 110-120mph) and start flooring in and pull away going 135) it was a good race and the freeway was so clear! Peace

nismotech
03-29-2002, 07:53 AM
Jesus HoustonSpecV, You got some balls going up to 130MPH, I usually shut down at 110 or 120MPH. I would be scared as hell going 130MPH..lol Good Race! http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
03-29-2002, 08:40 AM
the lovely thing bout going at those high speeds is that our precious SpecV doesnt shake for a thing, going 130mph is like going 80mph, u dont feel it... i've only gone 120mph and that was messin around with an IS300 on the highway http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
03-29-2002, 09:56 AM
i'm not amn expert on cars, but i don't think si's are much slower than the spec v...we should get a jump off the line, but si should pull at the top end though...

**DONOTDELETE**
03-29-2002, 02:47 PM
haha...sorry to say but a Si will not pull off of a SpecV on top end, i dont know the exact specs of a 2000 Si, but the new 2002 Si comes with 160HP and 131torque, with those specs, i know for sure that it wont take the SpecV on acceleration nor top end.... sorry to say but civics are nothing http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
03-29-2002, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Xclu21Sive:
haha...sorry to say but a Si will not pull off of a SpecV on top end, <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I wouldn't be so sure of that. Honda's don't have much down low, but have pretty darn good top end. My little 88 integra isn't much out of the hole, but at highway speeds it can move out pretty quick.


i dont know the exact specs of a 2000 Si, but the new 2002 Si comes with 160HP and 131torque, with those specs, i know for sure that it wont take the SpecV on acceleration nor top end.... sorry to say but civics are nothing http://www.freshalloy.com/ <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Hate to burst your bubble, but peak hp and torque specs don't tell the whole story. Not even close.
My GSX had around 215 hp and 250 ft/lbs of torque stock. An equivalent year NSX has around 260 hp and 220 ft/lbs of torque stock. Sounds fairly close right? Wrong. An NSX does 0-60 in around 5.5 to my 6.5. With those torque numbers i should blow it away 0-60 and it should catch up and blow by me in the 1/4. However the reality is the NSX makes its smaller 220 ft/lbs of torque for a longer duration than my GSX. It is area under the curve that matters, for all of you who took calculus. http://www.freshalloy.com/ I may have a serious peak torque advantage, but can't make it nearly as long as the NSX and consequently bone stock it can trash my car. We won't get into gearing, suspension and weight which also make a difference.

Don't always rely on peak numbers to judge a race by. Ask all those 6.6L "screaming chicken" Trans-Ams who do the 1/4 in the 16 sec range how much hp and torque they are making. I bet you it is a lot and they don't have much to show for it. http://www.freshalloy.com/

Nice kill BTW.

**DONOTDELETE**
03-30-2002, 10:59 AM
Si will beat a Spec V ... I can prove it too.

BottleFedVeng
03-30-2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by Batman:
Si will beat a Spec V ... I can prove it too.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I would like to see the proof of that. Stock Si against a stock Spec-V. Last year coming back from the Carisle Compact show, an Si was riding the bumper of my 99 Dodge Avenger ES V6 auto. My Avenger isn't quick by any means, but it has decent top end, but not spectacular. At the time, i had just a catback, underdrive pulley and i had my stock intake on. I let him get next to me at around 90mph, then i floored it. He stayed with me til around 115mph, then i slowly pulled away and he slowly faded in my rearview mirror. I slowed down to let him catch up.... and he tried to pass me again.... again..... i pulled on him after 115mph. I held it til a bit over 130mph and he was at least 6 car lengths behind me. I let him go by me after that, and it was indeed an Si coupe. For the US guys.... the Canadian Si's are the 127hp models.... and the SiR's are the 160hp models. I know a Spec-V would ***** slap my Avenger from start to finish, so an Si would be no problem. Just to keep the flame throwers at bay.... i just ordered a Vibrant Blue Spec-V with the Sport Package last weekend.... so i'll be an Spec-V owner soon.

[ 03-30-2002, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: BottleFedVeng ]

max2k1
03-30-2002, 11:14 PM
Batman were you drunk when you said a stock SI could beat a stock Spec-V? I have seen first hand a stock Spec-V destroy the new civic SI. Those new Civic's are a joke

R1ceRocket
03-31-2002, 12:46 AM
don't you guys understand its about the driver, not the car...

stock vs. stock, the Si and the Spec V are pretty evenly matched...the GS-R and the Spec V are also pretty evenly matched...depending on the driver and the situations, it is a tossup...

although i'm not too worried about Si's or GS-R's, stock or lightly modded...i've taken out quite a few on the top end (highway, thats where the DOHC VTEC really shines but not in these cases) and have also stayed neck and neck with others...

they are a challenge, but do not pose that much of a threat...

**DONOTDELETE**
04-01-2002, 02:14 AM
si's are pretty much useless with or without bolt ons..but they are a great platform for forced induction http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
04-01-2002, 06:30 PM
well the Si's have to be used for something right...even if it is just taking up a parking space http://www.freshalloy.com/

The_Chosen_One
04-02-2002, 01:24 AM
Speaking of the new and hideously egg shaped Si, did anyone see the commercial where it was driving through a parking deck, and all the other cars alarms, lights and horns were going off. I think they were telling it to get its ugly a$$ out of there. Muahahahaha!! I just now got use to the current Civic coupe/sedan with some body modification that makes it look half way decent, and then they dropped this monstrosity on American soil. I can say I will hate it always. Yuck! 2 thumbs down! Have you no shame Honda? hahaha

ewraven
04-02-2002, 10:59 PM
I've raced two Civic Si's and won. I raced a modded one at the track and beat him by a hundredth of a second. I had a terrible time of like 16.9 seconds. I also raced another modded one on the street. He kept up with me from first to second; while the tires were spinning freely on the pavement. But, once I hit third; I had over a car lenth on him when I let off at 50mph. Of course, he kept on accelerating and performed a ricer fly by.

**DONOTDELETE**
04-03-2002, 12:22 AM
Stock for stock the SpecV is far superior to the Si. The new ones will definitely need plenty of mods to compete, and another thing is they are very ugly-looking! I am looking forward to racing a new Si( hopefully from a stop light) but I will settle for a HighSpeed sprint in the upper 100's if I come across one of those ugly round eggs. I agree w/batman and xclu21sive, they know what's up w/ the spec. I am still waiting on a race with a Prelude-( i should lose right) I am going out to look for one this weekend, hopefully I can write about clowing a ricerprelude, but we'll see.Peace.

**DONOTDELETE**
04-04-2002, 07:20 PM
I always walked away from Si in my SE ! "nuff said" . http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
04-13-2002, 03:58 AM
Raced an Si yesterday morning. He came off a ramp just ahaed of me on the north bound Allen exp. I caught up to see what he was, hmmm...Civic SiR...lets play. So I came up behind him and he sped up, i guess to see if I could keep with him. I did and din't even have to use full pedal. When we got to the 401 he went left so I assumed he was headed west, so I got in the east bound lanes (had to go to a meeting) and get caught behind a Volvo...up ahead I see him cut back right and get in a couple of car lengths ahead of me. But I'm stuck...so it was awhile before I saw him again. Caught up to him just before the off ramp to north bound 404 we were behind a slow moving car for abit that didn't understand what the left lane is all about and had to wait for it to clear. When it did we both jumped on it...but again I couldn't go full pedal 'cuz I couldn't get around him so I tucked in behind and waited. when we got to the curve coming up to steels, whick is a long sweeping corner (doesn't quite make a full 90...maybe 120degree corner) I look down, 'cuz I'm pulling some serious g's, we're doing 190kph..on the corner. We got through the corner and came up on a Focus fast, so we both shut it down, he cut right to go to the outside lane (he thought it was clear) I waited for the focus to realise that its not a good idea to crawl along in front of a growling 2.0L http://www.freshalloy.com/
He pulled over, the SiR couldn't get through and now had to pull back in behind me...I was now doing about 140kph in fourth...Now it was my turn, I brought it up smoothly and went full pedal on him...and watched him drop back...he couldn't keep with me at top end...so I started to walk away. Unfortunatly before we could play anymore he had to get off, and so did I, one exit later....If I hadn't been in a rush to get to the office, I shoulda pulled of and checked him out at some lights...oh well that day will come http://www.freshalloy.com/
Pat

Big Bizzel
04-13-2002, 05:07 AM
Off the line the 2 would be very close. My buddy got a SiR and its pretty dam quick. His only mod is a CAI. If the Spec was gonna walk away from them like alot of you say. They'd be baby steps. Plus those cars sound so sweet http://www.freshalloy.com/

I was following him on the highway last weekend. Pulled up on him in 3rd gear doing a 100km/hr. I tried to get him to hook but he didn't want none of it. But I think if he droped it; it would've been a close race.

**DONOTDELETE**
04-13-2002, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by Big Bizzel:
Off the line the 2 would be very close. My buddy got a SiR and its pretty dam quick. His only mod is a CAI. If the Spec was gonna walk away from them like alot of you say. They'd be baby steps. Plus those cars sound so sweet http://www.freshalloy.com/

I was following him on the highway last weekend. Pulled up on him in 3rd gear doing a 100km/hr. I tried to get him to hook but he didn't want none of it. But I think if he droped it; it would've been a close race.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]hey man what are you smoking, cause i'd love some, off the line the spec-v will trounce on most 4cyl's...Even the acclaimed ITR it would take it off the line(this situation is stock and with equal drivers) but the ITR would take it top end, but the SI lol thats funny, they are quick, and yes they do hang, but they hang on looking at our tail lights and never gaining an inch...Same with the gsr(equal drivers) now if it was me, i know i'd loose...I suck...

Big Bizzel
04-14-2002, 02:09 PM
ha ... the Spec V isn't as fast as the the ITR off the line. Its almost 1/2 sec behind 0-60. I know some peeps got a better 0-60 time then what the magazines claim. But at the same time, so did people with the ITR's.

**DONOTDELETE**
04-14-2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by Big Bizzel:
ha ... the Spec V isn't as fast as the the ITR off the line. Its almost 1/2 sec behind 0-60. I know some peeps got a better 0-60 time then what the magazines claim. But at the same time, so did people with the ITR's.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]obviously you haven't raced an ITR, the spec-v will trounce it off the line, then after that the ITR just pounces on the spec-v... off the line man not 0-60..

**DONOTDELETE**
04-14-2002, 07:34 PM
For the guy that said honduhs have good top end - your wrong. My bro has a 96 integra, stock. It's good up to about 4th and 80, it then creeps it's way from there.

-Tank

**DONOTDELETE**
04-15-2002, 05:56 AM
Originally posted by Silver SR20DE:
Raced an Si yesterday morning. He came off a ramp just ahaed of me on the north bound Allen exp. I caught up to see what he was, hmmm...Civic SiR...lets play. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Maybe I am wrong, but they don't have SiRs in North America... I think it was a pep boys sticker... http://www.freshalloy.com/

**DONOTDELETE**
04-15-2002, 07:42 AM
i think SiR's are in canada only am i right?????

**DONOTDELETE**
04-15-2002, 02:44 PM
SILVERSR20DE, yo that sounded like some good fun u had there with the Si...even though we all know if the coast was clear that the SpecV will tear the Si up... on acceleration and top end... now tha canadian name SiR, whats dat stand for "Stays In the Rear"... http://www.freshalloy.com/

Big Bizzel
04-16-2002, 12:53 AM
Yup ... just Canada. No diff from the Si in the U.S.

**DONOTDELETE**
04-18-2002, 01:03 PM
Yup SiR is Canadaian for Si. Same car, diff badge.
If my SE can flog an Si, the V's should have no probs.
Had a Golf TDI try me last night, damn things are pretty quick for a diesel...but SE won out, started to pull away at 180kph...was about 4 to 5 cars ahead when we backed down.
Pat

**DONOTDELETE**
04-22-2002, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by Xclu21Sive:
now tha canadian name SiR, whats dat stand for "Stays In the Rear"... http://www.freshalloy.com/ <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]OOOO That one hurt http://www.freshalloy.com/ Well I want a Spec V and I drove one the other day. True off the Line the Si will get raped but it seems to die on the top end. I think even though the top end is weaker on the Spec V it is probably equal to the Si's top end.

And dont even think that the 02 si is faster than the 99-00 Si cause torque alone does not win races hell it doen not even compare with the 0-60 times

**DONOTDELETE**
04-22-2002, 10:31 AM
nah SIs are pretty slow stock

magazines quote high 15s and i've never seen one stock come out of the 16s

and the new Si is in the 16s IIRC

now there are a couple modified SIs that are decent... friend of mine has a Civic Type-R cam and head setup; and all the other boltons and he's pretty quick; mid 14s