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nismo180s
08-19-2003, 04:08 PM
I know it has been beaten to death and I have done the search these are certain question that have arisen.

what kind of hub bolts are rcommended for the 5 lug conversion ?

could I use the lower control arm (LCA) and ball joint from the s14 and use that for the 5 lug swap on the s13 ?

the rear hub won't work with stock 240sx struts ? and if not if i get teh 300zx TT struts will I have to modify the strut? or is possibilty to still use the 240sx strut if so how ?

I might have more questions as I go on

Dousan_PG
08-19-2003, 04:11 PM
I know it has been beaten to death and I have done the search these are certain question that have arisen.

what kind of hub bolts are rcommended for the 5 lug conversion ?




bolts? there's only a big nut, no bolt to put the front hubs on.

you mean studs (what wheel bolts to)? stock is best, imho. or some good aftermarket type..nismo or (ack i forget other brands..)




could I use the lower control arm (LCA) and ball joint from the s14 and use that for the 5 lug swap on the s13 ?



yes but you'll have LOTS of neg camber..




the rear hub won't work with stock 240sx struts ? and if not if i get teh 300zx TT struts will I have to modify the strut? or is possibilty to still use the 240sx strut if so how ?



rear shock ONLY wont work with use of the z32 UPRIGHT (what the suspension arms bolt to and what the hub is bolted to).

if you use stock s13 upright and ONLY replace the hub (with z32 or s14), then the stock/s13 shock works with your setup a-ok ---no fab/mod needed

Kookz
08-19-2003, 04:11 PM
what kind of hub bolts are rcommended for the 5 lug conversion ?


What's a hub bolt?


could I use the lower control arm (LCA) and ball joint from the s14 and use that for the 5 lug swap on the s13 ?


Yeah, if you want to run a large amount of negative camber.


the rear hub won't work with stock 240sx struts ? and if not if i get teh 300zx TT struts will I have to modify the strut? or is possibilty to still use the 240sx strut if so how ?

This only has to do with the uprights, nothing you need to even think about.

Dousan_PG
08-19-2003, 04:12 PM
i win! i win! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Kookz
08-19-2003, 04:13 PM
Wow, we made almost identical posts...

Kookz
08-19-2003, 04:13 PM
Again! Doh! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

nismo180s
08-19-2003, 04:15 PM
sorry i read it wrong

http://www.importfanatix.com/html/5_lug_day_4_6.html

they're arp but what size ?

Kookz
08-19-2003, 04:37 PM
Why do you want longer studs? If you do, get 60mm Nismo's from Courtesy Nissan.

Paul_Boz
08-19-2003, 04:55 PM
I know it has been beaten to death and I have done the search these are certain question that have arisen.

what kind of hub bolts are rcommended for the 5 lug conversion ?

could I use the lower control arm (LCA) and ball joint from the s14 and use that for the 5 lug swap on the s13 ?

the rear hub won't work with stock 240sx struts ? and if not if i get teh 300zx TT struts will I have to modify the strut? or is possibilty to still use the 240sx strut if so how ?

I might have more questions as I go on



tell me when you do the swap, i'd love to maybe come help.. it's me, paul from sni

Eyescream
08-19-2003, 05:11 PM
could I use the lower control arm (LCA) and ball joint from the s14 and use that for the 5 lug swap on the s13 ?



You could, but like dousan and others said you'll end up with a sh*tload of negative camber up front. Just order a set of replacement S14 ball joints (you can get em from autozone or wherever, I did and they work fine). Just have those pressed into your S13 LCA's and you'll be in great shape.



the rear hub won't work with stock 240sx struts ? and if not if i get teh 300zx TT struts will I have to modify the strut? or is possibilty to still use the 240sx strut if so how ?



This was the most confusing thing for me, so I'll concentrate on it:

If you want an e-brake, you'll want to use Z32 nonturbo rear hubs, and simply put them onto your stock S13 rear uprights (spindles, whatever you wanna call them) because that way whatever shocks you already have will work without modification, and you will be able to continue to order off the shelf shocks.

Be forewarned, though; that getting the hub off the S13 upright took me a lot of penetrating fluid (liquid wrench) and a good beating with a BFH.

Easiest way to pull the half-shaft out of the hub is to back the 36mm hub nut off until it's flush with the end of the bolt, and then tap it with the BFH while a friend levers a pickle fork between the half-shaft and the upright.

Take the four 19mm bolts out of the back of the hub where it connects to the upright, and take the bolts off the Z32 upright/hub assembly you got, and just swap the Z32 hubs on in place of the S13 hubs. There'll be a little brass or aluminum or whatever ring fall out of where the old hub was. You don't need it with the Z32 hubs, and don't worry if you bent it. Just throw it away. You don't need to take the S13 upright off completely to get it done, but unbolting some of the upper arms from the upright will help you muscle things around while trying to get the S13 hub off.

I just finished this swap on my fastback, so it's fresh on my mind, so I thought I'd be helpful instead of lurking. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

nismo180s
08-19-2003, 07:11 PM
thanks alot

SykikCHIMP
08-19-2003, 10:48 PM
Or you could use a hub puller.. The BFH method didn't work for me.. Hub puller worked like a charm. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I just did this swap too, and I don't remember a brass ring.. maybe that is what is causeing my left rear wheel to hum like a bad bearing? I guess I'll find out tomorrow when I take it off, for the 3rd time..

planb
08-19-2003, 10:55 PM
maybe hes talking about the dust plate thing for the axle boot.

nismo180s
08-20-2003, 08:13 AM
could I use the lower control arm (LCA) and ball joint from the s14 and use that for the 5 lug swap on the s13 ?



You could, but like dousan and others said you'll end up with a sh*tload of negative camber up front. Just order a set of replacement S14 ball joints (you can get em from autozone or wherever, I did and they work fine). Just have those pressed into your S13 LCA's and you'll be in great shape.



the rear hub won't work with stock 240sx struts ? and if not if i get teh 300zx TT struts will I have to modify the strut? or is possibilty to still use the 240sx strut if so how ?



This was the most confusing thing for me, so I'll concentrate on it:

If you want an e-brake, you'll want to use Z32 nonturbo rear hubs, and simply put them onto your stock S13 rear uprights (spindles, whatever you wanna call them) because that way whatever shocks you already have will work without modification, and you will be able to continue to order off the shelf shocks.

Be forewarned, though; that getting the hub off the S13 upright took me a lot of penetrating fluid (liquid wrench) and a good beating with a BFH.

Easiest way to pull the half-shaft out of the hub is to back the 36mm hub nut off until it's flush with the end of the bolt, and then tap it with the BFH while a friend levers a pickle fork between the half-shaft and the upright.

Take the four 19mm bolts out of the back of the hub where it connects to the upright, and take the bolts off the Z32 upright/hub assembly you got, and just swap the Z32 hubs on in place of the S13 hubs. There'll be a little brass or aluminum or whatever ring fall out of where the old hub was. You don't need it with the Z32 hubs, and don't worry if you bent it. Just throw it away. You don't need to take the S13 upright off completely to get it done, but unbolting some of the upper arms from the upright will help you muscle things around while trying to get the S13 hub off.

I just finished this swap on my fastback, so it's fresh on my mind, so I thought I'd be helpful instead of lurking. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif




what is your brake set up as of now eyescream and sykikchimp ? and would auto zone have the hubpuller ?

Dousan_PG
08-20-2003, 08:16 AM
yes autozone has a hub puller and you can rent it. its very easy to use and cheap to rent.

setup for me
FRONT:
z32 tt front brakes
GTO 5 lug JDM hubs (direct replacement, from jspec.com)

REAR:
z32NA hubs
redrilled s13 rotors.

5 lug swap is a very easy swap. basically just bolts and elbow grease. same goes for z32 brake swap..very very simple. i dont undersatnd why there is so many writeups on it. once you start actually DOING It you find out...this is ridiculously easy.

SykikCHIMP
08-20-2003, 09:08 AM
I got the puller from autozone for $20.

Front
91' 300zx brakes
GTO 5-lug hubs

Rear
Stock brakes
Z32 NA hubs

Kookz
08-20-2003, 09:09 AM
Well, using those front hubs does make the whole thing a bit easier, but it's still easy with S14 parts too.

Dousan_PG
08-20-2003, 09:15 AM
Well, using those front hubs does make the whole thing a bit easier, but it's still easy with S14 parts too.



true true
but now that PDM sells the s14 ball joint IN the s13 arm, its even easier !
PDM Racing---see very bottom of page (http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/pdmcontrolarms.html)

Eyescream
08-20-2003, 02:16 PM
what is your brake set up as of now eyescream and sykikchimp ? and would auto zone have the hubpuller ?



AS the car sits right now:

1991 twin turbo Z32 front calipers
30mm Brembo blank front rotors
S14 spindle and ball joint with 12mm inserts inthe upright so I can still use unmodified S13 struts and shocks.
1991 naturally aspirated Z32 rear calipers and hubs on the S13 upright
Brembo blank rotors on the rear
Goodridge stainless braided brake lines all the way around
Hawk HPS pads all the way around
1991 twin turbo Z32 brake master cylinder (slightly modified, see importnut.com for instructions on how to make it work with your 240SX if you don't have ABS).
Stock S14 SE 5 star wheels with Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's (205 50ZR16)

Here's a pic of it right after I put the wheels on it and set it off the jackstands:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/pcf42896fba94ecb84809fe4838a0e0b1/fb5831f5.jpg

Eyescream
08-20-2003, 02:29 PM
maybe hes talking about the dust plate thing for the axle boot.





Maybe that's it. It looks like it might be some kind of spacer.

It was arranged like this:

S13 hub->Ring inside of suspension upright<-Axle

With the ring inside the upright sandwiched between the hub and the axle. I've no idea what it was, but the Z32 hub doesn't need it, it fits flush inside the S13 upright by itself.

Here's a picture of it:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/pe47c75b5c3a33a762711e80222554cae/fb54f8f4.jpg

planb
08-20-2003, 05:28 PM
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/pcf42896fba94ecb84809fe4838a0e0b1/fb5831f5.jpg



Looks familiar.

Heres my 5 lug setup
30mm aluminum front z calipers remanufactured by ARI (bought at autozone)
used (turned) oem rotors
s14 spindle, dremeled out lower bracket on zeals to use s14 bolts
s14 ball joint pressed in s13 arm (easy to do)
z32 n/a rear hubs w/ long ass ARP studs (honda thread)
z32 rear calipers
used (turned) oem rotors
s13 uprights
z32 dust shiel w/ ebrake cable
new pads/shoes for the ebrake drums
KVR brake pads all around
project silvia -an lines all around
1 1/16 z32 master cylinder
ford cobra fluid
s14 SE wheels, 5mm spacer in front, 10mm spacer in rear
205/50/16 Dunlop FM901

huge pic.. hmm I need to lower the front a little. (http://www.turbocityauto.com/images/2003Convention/DSC00001.JPG)

Eyescream
08-20-2003, 08:14 PM
Wow, your front bumper's even dull like mine is.

I guess we just have impeccable taste. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

SLoWaSs13
08-21-2003, 07:53 AM
S14 spindle and ball joint with 12mm inserts inthe upright so I can still use unmodified S13 struts and shocks.




Did u make these inserts?? im interestin in keepin my coilovers un modded, so i was thinkin of ways to make inserts........

Eyescream
08-21-2003, 01:41 PM
Did u make these inserts?? im interestin in keepin my coilovers un modded, so i was thinkin of ways to make inserts........



No, I had a machine shop make them and press them into the uprights for me. It cost me like $75 to get it done, but prices around you may vary. I'm glad I did this instead of having to drill out my shocks. More elegant solution, I think.