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ZENKI_KONG
11-07-2003, 04:18 PM
jus curious to see if anyone was doing this. i had the thought that some cool down time wouldn't hurt for any engine, not just a turbo application. especially someone like myself that likes to go pretty hard on backroads and stuff sometimes?? jus figured this may have crossed someones mind

96twofourty
11-07-2003, 04:24 PM
jus curious to see if anyone was doing this. i had the thought that some cool down time wouldn't hurt for any engine, not just a turbo application. especially someone like myself, that likes to go pretty hard on backroads and stuff sometimes.



its useless. a turbo timer is used to cool down the oil so hot oil dosent sit there and coak the turbo bearings causing failure, not to cool down the engine itself

steve shadows
11-07-2003, 04:38 PM
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ZENKI_KONG
11-07-2003, 04:39 PM
i know what a Turbo timers intent is on a turbo charged car . my question was if anyone was using one NA for any cool down reasons that may participate in track days, etc, or whatever reason. if so, then possibly the idea being useless is subjective. jus throwing out a random thought http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

shoes59
11-07-2003, 04:57 PM
It certainly can't hurt but at the same time there is absolutley no benefit http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif

_Nzo_
11-07-2003, 05:04 PM
Some people do use tts on an na car, I dont see how it could hurt if youre doing a lot of really hard driving. And I love all of these http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif haters.

Kookz
11-07-2003, 05:05 PM
Some tool in ATL http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif runs one, as it keeps track of hours on the engine (for oil changes).

Replicant_s14
11-07-2003, 05:17 PM
And I love all of these haters.



Yup, get's old doesn't it.

Anyway, I'd probably use one on my NA car if I had one. My car gets run very hard at the track. I let it run for a while after laps to get it cooled back down to semi-normal.

steve shadows
11-07-2003, 05:31 PM
having a car sit in one place only does one thing, heats it up! hello does everyone remeber how a radiator works.

Although the engine is getting slightly hotter (on a turbo car) during the 1 minute the car is idling the hot oil is being circ-ed out and the cooler oil in the oil pan is getting cired thru the system

Once again no point on na, you are only heating up the entire engine.

Try just putting the clutch in as you roll into a parking sport let it sit for 10 seconds then turn it off.

their just no real point for it, just to be a rice boy

sort of like a old friend of mine who stabbed me in the back he wanted a s-afc for his na stock ka with stock injectors

"cus it looked cool" Jason!!!!

-steve

ZENKI_KONG
11-07-2003, 05:52 PM
having a car sit in one place only does one thing, heats it up! hello does everyone remeber how a radiator works.

Although the engine is getting slightly hotter (on a turbo car) during the 1 minute the car is idling the hot oil is being circ-ed out and the cooler oil in the oil pan is getting cired thru the system

Once again no point on na, you are only heating up the entire engine.

Try just putting the clutch in as you roll into a parking sport let it sit for 10 seconds then turn it off.

their just no real point for it, just to be a rice boy

sort of like a old friend of mine who stabbed me in the back he wanted a s-afc for his na stock ka with stock injectors

"cus it looked cool" Jason!!!!

-steve



i personally was thinking someone may have been more on the creative side of having it run fans or something, not the engine. maybe that can be accomplished without the turbo timer and someone has done so? like the tool in atl kookz is speaking of( u gotta be talking about russ,lol), i wouldn't have thought of that as something to use a turbo timer for. jus because u don't like it doesn't make something "riced out" or whatever derogatory post ***** remarks people make these days.....

champa
11-07-2003, 06:02 PM
i don't see how having it idle is better then turning it off

rennen
11-07-2003, 06:07 PM
their just no real point for it, just to be a rice boy



my rice boy engine has this crazy fan thing attached to it. I think it may pull cooler air through my radiator, but I have no idea how a radiator works... http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif

hmm, oil carries contaminants away and filters them, also something you obviously don't need to do after running the car real hard.


I leave my engine on between autocross runs, since I am a rice boy.

-Matt

inthewind
11-07-2003, 06:09 PM
having a car sit in one place only does one thing, heats it up! hello does everyone remeber how a radiator works.


my car never ran hotter sitting at idle. i think it was something called a fan that kept it from doing so. i'll check my fsm just to make sure.

-demetrius

shoes59
11-07-2003, 06:24 PM
i don't see how having it idle is better then turning it off


It's not, plain and simple. Not a single NA race prepared car in my 20 + years of driving open track has ever benefitted from idling when returning to the pits. What makes any of you think a semi hopped up street car will? Call me a hater all you want but put a timer in your un boosted car and you leave yourself open for ridicule.

Kookz
11-07-2003, 06:26 PM
Depending on the water temps you reach, you want to keep water flowing through the engine. Same reason people run electric water pumps...

Replicant_s14
11-07-2003, 08:52 PM
What makes any of you think a semi hopped up street car will?



Sitting in the pits watching the temp go down makes me think it.



put a timer in your un boosted car and you leave yourself open for ridicule.



oh...the shame http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif

Irie_eyes
11-07-2003, 11:29 PM
How about just letting the engine run after a hard run on the track, which might be the only time it's runs hard...

steve shadows
11-07-2003, 11:44 PM
thats what said if you must just stay in the damn car and litsen to jon bon jovi or the olsen twins new radio show or somthing and just let it idle...

i mean is there ever a time you have to bolt from your car at the track and close it up,

or a time when you come into your apt complex at redline in 3rd gear then slam it into a parking space close the car and run away?

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Irie_eyes
11-08-2003, 12:01 AM
I don't know about your other comments but yea, that's what I was thinking.

If it's only at the track you are going to get to turbo temp levels, then having a turbo timer handling the cooldown only at that time seems that could have gone into something better invested, such as an infrared thermometer, pen, and notebook to monitor temperatures of the engine parts, brakes, track, tires etc...

You could get an electric fan and water pump that runs independantly from the engine, just the oil doesn't circulate. Most drag racers have a setup like this. Even better if you have a temp switch for the fan and pump in case you forget and drain the battery.

Replicant_s14
11-08-2003, 07:14 AM
You could get an electric fan and water pump that runs independantly from the engine



That's what kookz was getting at and I actually like that idea. My VW has that stock. Letting the car run with out me sitting in it isn't such a cool idea because I forgot about the whole parking brake issue. It's not like you can just walk off and leave it. Anyone around here with a electric water pump setup? Pics?

BUT...more important that all that---> the Olsen twins have a radio show? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif Sweet jesus in a chicken bucket!!!!

shoes59
11-08-2003, 07:48 AM
What makes any of you think a semi hopped up street car will?



Sitting in the pits watching the temp go down makes me think it.


Umm...let me think...uhh...wouldn't turning the car off do the same thing? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif

A timers primary purpose is to keep the engine running allowing oil to circulate through the turbo while the temperature drops. If the oil isn't circulating it sits and bakes inside the turbo which is not a good thing.

Explain to me the *benefit* of idling an engine on a NA car. Or if it's easier for you, tell me how turning off your NA car immediately after a hard run will be detrimental to your engine.

RDM_II
11-08-2003, 11:13 AM
i personally was thinking someone may have been more on the creative side of having it run fans or something, not the engine. maybe that can be accomplished without the turbo timer and someone has done so? like the tool in atl kookz is speaking of( u gotta be talking about russ,lol), i wouldn't have thought of that as something to use a turbo timer for. jus because u don't like it doesn't make something "riced out" or whatever derogatory post ***** remarks people make these days.....



Ya, that's me. My primary reason for the turbo timer is to keep track of engine run hours, since that's way more accurate than mileage, and because neither my USDM cluster or the JDm I now have had working odometers. When the car is idling, it's still running and using oil, but there's no indicator of that if you're recording mileage. And yes, it will cool the turbo one day when it goes on, so why is it a big deal to go ahead and have one? As far as idling for cool down, the engine may get hotter (water temp), but the oil does cool off if after it sits for a while. Either way I'm trying to stir the arguement, you guys are doing it well enough, just giving my points.

Irie_eyes
11-08-2003, 02:40 PM
Letting the car run with out me sitting in it isn't such a cool idea because I forgot about the whole parking brake issue



Yup. Was thinking that also.
You would probably be hanging around your car a couple minutes after being on the track.
Many don't fully cooldown the engine for a cold start before a run.