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DudeYourSoooJDM
12-18-2003, 02:09 AM
here is the car as it sits.....thank mario (hattendriftr) for the pics....notice the Power Enterprises timing belt http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
http://www.sillbeer.com/temp/1jzs13-1.jpg
http://www.sillbeer.com/temp/1jzs13-2.jpg
http://www.sillbeer.com/temp/1jzs13-3.jpg http://www.sillbeer.com/temp/1jzs13-4.jpg
http://www.sillbeer.com/temp/1jzs13-5.jpg

g81981
12-18-2003, 02:11 AM
Very nice. Let us know when it's finished. That would be a very nice ride. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Salty_X
12-18-2003, 02:17 AM
You guys have some very interesting and creative projects going on... I love it! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Good luck!

DudeYourSoooJDM
12-18-2003, 02:31 AM
You guys have some very interesting and creative projects going on... I love it! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Good luck!



Wait till you see Miguel's Ultima SSS

It'll be at the Altima meet @ Krispy Kreme on Fri.

Kookz
12-18-2003, 02:39 AM
That's a huge IC...what are the power goals?

Dousan_PG
12-18-2003, 10:01 AM
soooo, when can i drift it http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif heheheh

looks great. im so excited!

Hugh
12-18-2003, 10:52 AM
Finally, a 240sx with a beautiful exhaust note!

I love a good 1J. I'm sure that sucker is gonna rip.

cullen
12-18-2003, 01:51 PM
were looking to get around 300whp with the stock turbos for now.

were searching for a mild single set-up so we do around 450 to the wheels. it is kinda hard to find since that engine was never officially offered in the u.s.

were gonna finish it up this weekend we hope. we just need to pay attention to the deatils right now.

Jonny_290
12-18-2003, 02:03 PM
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since that engine was never officially offered in the u.s.[QUOTE]


haha, don't we all know about that one! Good luck, looks like a cool project.

SuperMario_N_Yoshi
12-18-2003, 04:27 PM
Aaron, like I've said before, you can drift it if you get me some SSR Professors. I need some wheels for my ride, because I'll just rip those tires apart on the mesh wheels. hehehehe.

Dousan_PG
12-18-2003, 04:31 PM
hahaha
HMM FN01RC maybe http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif haha

nah i just want a ride. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif i like it a lot, i had examined it in the past, im really curious to see how it will feel. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif its a sweet project, but just talking with ya'll at the meet in fountain valley i already learned quite a bit!

good luck finishing up the project, looks great!!!

SuperMario_N_Yoshi
12-18-2003, 04:40 PM
Thanks. I'm extremely anxious to drive it!
I'll just add you on the "People giving rides" List, its pretty long unfortunately. Everybody at work wants a ride and everyday I have to hear, "Is your car done yet?"

quest
12-18-2003, 06:48 PM
1J seems like a pretty decent motor for a s13 daily driver. We put a 7m turbo in a 83 corolla about 3 months back, and my buddy replaced it with a 1JZgte (not 1st choice - got it cheap). He drives it around the street all the time. Bolt on slicks on it picks up the front tires on launch. Car is fast (duhhh), motor is smoother/a tad more refined, but still not as brutal as the 7 tho.
U can hardly think of a swap thats not runnin around s. florida. Most of the guys don't go near the net

Hugh
12-18-2003, 07:54 PM
1J seems like a pretty decent motor for a s13 daily driver. We put a 7m turbo in a 83 corolla about 3 months back, and my buddy replaced it with a 1JZgte (not 1st choice - got it cheap). He drives it around the street all the time. Bolt on slicks on it picks up the front tires on launch. Car is fast (duhhh), motor is smoother/a tad more refined, but still not as brutal as the 7 tho.
U can hardly think of a swap thats not runnin around s. florida. Most of the guys don't go near the net



You were dissappointed he swapped a 7M out for a 1JZ?

Oh man... with the experience I've had here in japan, 1JZ OWN the 7M's.. thats for damn sure. I don't know of one 7M on Okinawa that can come close to my car anymore... but last night I battled it out with a 1JZ for like three runs in a row... we had some close races with me narrowly beating him. (He's running a HKS GT2835pro full bolt on kit with fuel system from HKS)

I'm just explaining my observations, not trying to put down the 7M if thats what you like.

cullen
12-18-2003, 08:43 PM
ive worked with many a 7m motor and they couldnt hold a candle to the 1jz. 1jz revs higher, doesnt blow head gaskets anywhere near as much as a 7m, the ecu is more advanced, the list goes on.

Dospipes
12-18-2003, 09:47 PM
Wicked! I've been waiting for this one to get finished. The 1JZ has THE best exhaust note to my ears. Can't wait to see(and hear) it.

Cullin man: might have to talk with you about hooking up my next project with this swap...

digitaldriver
12-19-2003, 02:16 AM
instead of going for a single, hybrid the twins and make a new y-pipe, it makes the same power as a single and boosts allot sooner.

http://www.alsc.aus.as/messages/3/16525.jpg

Still waiting to finish my 1JZ, the wiring is not so fun.

Oh isn't the 1JZ so nice having the exhaust on the passenger side? No more steering rack issues!
http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

DudeYourSoooJDM
12-19-2003, 02:48 AM
hybrid the twins and make a new y-pipe



I do believe Cullen is going to be making a new Y-pipe, I've heard the turbo's like to come apart at 14lbs......



Oh isn't the 1JZ so nice having the exhaust on the passenger side? No more steering rack issues



Yea thats a cool thing....but I think cullen is gonna run the piping back over to driver side, otherwise it will sit too low (get smashed).

Whats your 1jz going into?

Hugh
12-19-2003, 03:16 AM
That is a sexy downpipe! Nice work.

quest
12-19-2003, 03:17 AM
1j is newer and smoother.... maybe because its newer? A freshened 7 is glass smooth too.

my buddy really didn't wanna go 1j, but I found him a good grab.
He runs the twins at 20psi, same standalone. Ran a t4 on header he made for the 7. It would run away from the 1j. Power is actually a bit more controllable now, but was ridiculous with the torque of 3 litre in the light corolla. We both experienced the same car back to back motors, and prefer the 7. Either exhaust note has a sweet sound

anybody still blowing head gaskets on a 7, simply don't know what they're doing... my buddy beat the livin' mess outta his motor and never did. He's stubborn and impatient and refused to freshen up the 15yr old motor - dumb move.... rod bearing issues. It cost him. Car still has the wrong gear too, with revs more suited to 1j.

No sweat for a daily driven 7 to put down over 550 ft-lbs to the wheels... 4cyls, dream on. 1j? dunno

On a side note, the exhaust ports on a 1J are TINY! Do hi powered 1Js go with the 2J head? I guess we'll see what a heavy breathing 1j can do.

>>"Oh isn't the 1JZ so nice having the exhaust on the passenger side? No more steering rack issues!"

or brake booster/master cyl issues. 4g63 in a ae86. Same thing.

Hugh
12-19-2003, 03:48 AM
So wouldn't the 1J go a lot smoother in a lightweight car than a 7M, then? I can see how it is useful in a 4000 pound pig like a targa-top Supra or something... but I think it would cause more harm than good in a 240sx. Just look at RB26 owners with them in 240's, they're fast, but have trouble getting them to hook up. They also break a lot of driveline parts. Sometimes no torque is a good thing. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

quest
12-19-2003, 04:40 AM
1j is an excellent motor for a daily driven street tire s13, no doubt.
My buddy wanted a low dollar beast, so I suggested the 7m/corolla. It actually started as a non turbo 7m/w58 5speed. Put in $100 used gte pistons/ metal HG/ ARPs, and went from there. On slicks it holds the power.
My absolute favorite s13 I rode in was vg30dett powered. Seemed like a perfect match, with power to spare.... so I'd still take a 3L. U could "tame" your "street" power and still be fast on drag radials. Pull out the stops and they do well on slicks. Go eat a supra.
I know what u mean tho', big torque can cause its share of problems

digitaldriver
12-19-2003, 05:05 AM
yeah the stock turbos don't like anything more than 14 psi, but if you hybrid them with new bearings and steel blades, they can handle up to 25 psi. the exhaust manifolds and the turbo's are not port matched (thatís why there isn't a gasket). so, steel and bored hybrid stock turbos, port matched exhaust manifold, and new y-pipe and it will make tons more power and spool very fast.

my 1JZ is sitting and ready to start in my 1990 Cressida. I can't figure out the FPR and Start Switch relays right now. I will start it soon.


Oh question, is your friend uses a W58 from a MKIV n/a Supra or a R154 from a MKIII Turbo Supra? If the R154, did it fit the tunnel ok? Thats a huge *****.

PSS: I see that 1JZ is the first Gen, make sure he changes the PCV valve ASAP. There was a recall in Japan for that PCV valve...they fail and allow boost to leak into the block and blow oil out of the valve cover vents. I used a MKIV Turbo PCV valve.

quest
12-19-2003, 08:05 AM
stock turbos don't like anything more than 14 psi, but if you hybrid them with new bearings and steel blades, they can handle up to 25 psi.
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I read somewhere on the net that those ct12 were ceramic and mentioned to him the 14psi thing on the net. His response... "then fvck em, I'll run em till they blow"... 20psi for the past few weekends.
We did see a friends rb20 ceramic let go, 15psi + 80shot = POOOFFFF!
What are the 1j turbo upgrades, and who does em ?

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exhaust manifolds and the turbo's are not port matched (that’s why there isn't a gasket).
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so thats one bottleneck right there ? interesting.
Makes me wonder why we need exhaust manifold gaskets. GNs and 2.3 fords don't huh ? anybody try this? These gaskets are a pain to change on the ca and sr. Looks like a b1tch on the 1j also.

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steel and bored hybrid stock turbos, port matched exhaust manifold, and new y-pipe and it will make tons more power and spool very fast.
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makes that much of a difference, huh. I better pass that option onto him. Any dyno info of this hotside mod on the net. It would be rather dissapointing to do two turbo$$$, port, and still come up short. Factory twins are a neat compact, reliable package tho. Knowing him, hill yank it off in a heartbeat and get to building a manifold for a single.
While he was building a header for a friend, we were shocked to see how tiny the exhaust ports were (smallest I've seen). He knew where a 2j head was cheap, so he's sittin' on that just in case... Question is if the head is as restrictive as it looks.


w58 from na mk3 was behind the 7. Fit easily, gearstick same position as the corolla t50 gearbox.
1J came r154... yeah its beefy, but I don't recall him saying anything about modding the tunnel. Remember this is a rolla... I'd think, a smaller tunnel than a cressida. I'll ask him if u want.

your 90 cressida sounds like a nice project.
I'd imagine yours is independent rear?
Do u know if the older solid axle cressidas were 7.5 ? gear ratios ?

thanx

SuperMario_N_Yoshi
12-19-2003, 12:36 PM
Go to www.garageworksltd.com (http://www.garageworksltd.com), then click, Enter--> GW Cars link--> 1JZ-13 link. Has the current specs on my car for now. More pics will be added soon as the build-up progresses.

cullen
12-19-2003, 01:01 PM
1j is newer and smoother.... maybe because its newer? A freshened 7 is glass smooth too.

my buddy really didn't wanna go 1j, but I found him a good grab.
He runs the twins at 20psi, same standalone. Ran a t4 on header he made for the 7. It would run away from the 1j. Power is actually a bit more controllable now, but was ridiculous with the torque of 3 litre in the light corolla. We both experienced the same car back to back motors, and prefer the 7. Either exhaust note has a sweet sound

anybody still blowing head gaskets on a 7, simply don't know what they're doing... my buddy beat the livin' mess outta his motor and never did. He's stubborn and impatient and refused to freshen up the 15yr old motor - dumb move.... rod bearing issues. It cost him. Car still has the wrong gear too, with revs more suited to 1j.

No sweat for a daily driven 7 to put down over 550 ft-lbs to the wheels... 4cyls, dream on. 1j? dunno

On a side note, the exhaust ports on a 1J are TINY! Do hi powered 1Js go with the 2J head? I guess we'll see what a heavy breathing 1j can do.

>>"Oh isn't the 1JZ so nice having the exhaust on the passenger side? No more steering rack issues!"

or brake booster/master cyl issues. 4g63 in a ae86. Same thing.


i never said a 1jz was any smoother than a 7m

you think 1jz ports are small? have you seen 7m ports? they are just as small.

no sweat for 550 ft. lbs. on a 7m? ok. also what are you talking about 4cyls?

also, how could he run a 7m header on a 1j? it doesnt fit.

btw, if your buddy had rod bearing issues, it was because it was low on oil, very common for a rod bearing to go out with even a half quart low.

ive never had a head gasket blow on any 7m motors ive built. but it is extremely common. never hear about a 1j blowing a head gasket though. that was my point

from reading your post, it sounds as if you are confused

quest
12-19-2003, 06:15 PM
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ive worked with many a 7m motor and they couldnt hold a candle to the 1jz
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so thats your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less
What do u base this statement on then ? clarify

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you think 1jz ports are small? have you seen 7m ports? they are just as small.
no sweat for 550 ft. lbs. on a 7m? ok. also what are you talking about 4cyls?
also, how could he run a 7m header on a 1j? it doesnt fit.
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jeeez... and I'm confused ?

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btw, if your buddy had rod bearing issues, it was because it was low on oil,
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U need to read more and stop guessing. You're wrong. u think 20qts of oil will fix a worn out motor? I must try that sometime

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never had a head gasket blow on any 7m motors ive built. but it is extremely common.
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...and u think somebody sensible enough to consider/pull off a 7m/s13 swap wouldn't have the sense to solve the blown gasket issue ?

cullen
12-19-2003, 06:22 PM
read more? i learn by doing not by regurgitating what other people say on the internet

your confused, 7m manifold on a 1jz and 4cyls.? neither of those motors are 4 cylinders.

are you building a 7m s13?...or just talking about it? what car do you have?

quest
12-19-2003, 07:03 PM
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i learn by doing not by regurgitating what other people say on the internet
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u can learn a lot more by reading CAREFULLY too. Seriously, try it sometime.

I'll do this once, because obviously you're "special"

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are you building a 7m s13?...or just talking about it?
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>>"We put a 7m turbo in a 83 corolla about 3 months back, and my buddy replaced it with a 1JZgte"

swaps are no biggie for me.. Corolla swaps are my thing tho.

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4cyls.?
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I was saying good luck on a 4 cylinder trying to match 550 ft-lbs

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your confused, 7m manifold on a 1jz
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"Ran a t4 on header he made for the 7.

"Factory twins are a neat compact, reliable package tho. Knowing him, hill yank it off in a heartbeat and get to building a manifold for a single."


copy / paste / copy / paste. I'm sorry I dunno what other language u want me to put it in ?

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what car do you have?
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92 s13 with ca18det. I'm happy with that

I've answered your questions but you've not answered any of mine http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Fred_Allen_Burge
12-19-2003, 09:42 PM
So where's a good place to buy one of these 1jzgte's and what's the going rate for an engine set or a front cut?

thanks,
allen

Dousan_PG
12-19-2003, 09:49 PM
1jzs are under 2500 easily
full clip
280ps stock.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif inline 6
personally i would go w/ 2jz just for US parts are super easy to find but 1jz..so beautiful. love it

crazyikimasho
12-19-2003, 10:12 PM
1jzs are under 2500 easily
full clip
280ps stock.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif inline 6


personally i would go w/ 2jz just for US parts are super easy to find but 1jz..so beautiful. love it



yup.. have one right now for sale if anyone is interested, from a Soarer, although its an automatic.

Z from Japan
12-20-2003, 05:51 AM
Since you guys are talking 1JZ's, I have a Apexi turbo kit for sale cheap. It will do 450rwhp http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif....if you keep the boost low. http://groups.msn.com/ZfromJapan/partsforsale.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=390
http://groups.msn.com/ZfromJapan/partsforsale.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=391
http://groups.msn.com/ZfromJapan/partsforsale.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=392

digitaldriver
12-22-2003, 06:11 PM
is it for the 1st gen 1JZ or the 2nd gen VVTi 1JZ? the exhaust ports are different.

17x10
01-08-2004, 12:43 AM
how does a 1jz compare to an rb25 as far as stock internal potential? are they built up like a 2jz? wiring must be a nightmare..

cullen
01-08-2004, 02:47 AM
btw, we just got it running and we are taking it to the exhaust shop tomorrow. wiring was actually easier than i thought.

DudeYourSoooJDM
01-08-2004, 10:55 AM
IT'S ALIVE! IT'S Alive!

17x10
01-08-2004, 11:22 AM
does having a front clip make the swap alot easier for you? i have seen motorsets, but no clips. 1800 avg i have seen for the motorsets. rb25's go for 4000..

Jonny_290
01-08-2004, 04:10 PM
we HAVE to have some vids or at least mp3's of that engine. come on, don't leave us hangin'. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

TEKVICIOUS
01-10-2004, 06:52 AM
Hi Quest!!! Though I can't comment on the 1JZ ...I have seen some really sweet running 7Mgte. If they were in anything other than the piggish chassis that they came in I'd have been pushed through the seat. And this is in a pretty stock car. The TORQUE was what hooked me.
BTW I understood what you meant about the header and about 4cylinder engines...LOL. People need to read more.

TEKVICIOUS
01-10-2004, 08:03 AM
Here's a few dyno sheets of really built 7M and 1JZ engines.
http://jza70.com/500rwhp/NeilRobinson/dyno.jpg
http://www.socalsupras.com/dyno/WillNeely.jpg

Now for an astute observation and analysis from onlookers...

ma71supraturbo wrote

Don't be fooled by the length of the X-axis -- As you can see, the 1JZ has over 500rwhp for a span of 1250rpm (6000-7250), while the 7m has over 500rwhp for a span of 1250rpm (5000-6250). And they both make over 400rwhp for a span of ~1750rpm. But in terms of low end power, the 7m wins hands down with ~230rwhp at 4000rpm, compared to the 1jz's 100-125rwhp


Wills comments,
Take a look at that 1jz fuel map that car was on the verge of blowing up almost the entire run! 15.1 wow that dangerous as hell. Also I think its interesting that at 4500rpms the 7m was about 420rwhp while the 1jz was at 200rwhp. Thats a serious difference if your lined up side to side. My guess is that the 1jz would need to net at least 150-200rwhp total to catch the 7m in a 1/4 mile run. maybe more on a roll from 70 mph roll. Then look at the torque. 7m has 500rwhp at 5000rpms verses the 1jz that gets theres about 5500rpms. Regardless great info for the list


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Holy Crap batman...oh yeah...before I forget. Everyone that even likes Supras knows that the headgasket issues are due to errors in tightening(sequence and torque).

DudeYourSoooJDM
01-10-2004, 11:15 AM
does having a front clip make the swap alot easier for you? i have seen motorsets, but no clips. 1800 avg i have seen for the motorsets. rb25's go for 4000..



Having the clip did make it a little easier...we're using the JZ radiator setup. The hard part was finding a front sump oil pan to clear the crossmember.

Curbsurfer went Mid 11's on a 7M in his markIII. And he ditched that setup to go 2J. We like the 1J more than 7m because it revs high, and is less troublesome.

The exhaust got made for it today.......perhaps mario will have video clips of it to upload soon..

That or you can see it at the Shinestreet Meet.

cullen
01-10-2004, 01:08 PM
tekvicious, please dont turn this into a 7m vs. 1jz thread
i know the ins and outs of both engines
they are both good engines so leave it at that. if you want a 7m, then do it. go start this arguement on supraforums.

SuperHatch
01-10-2004, 01:11 PM
tekvicious, please dont turn this into a 7m vs. 1jz thread
i know the ins and outs of both engines
they are both good engines so leave it at that. if you want a 7m, then do it. go start this arguement on supraforums.



agreed

17x10
01-10-2004, 08:43 PM
ok, then how about an rb25 vs 1jz thread? or even a mere post. considering how toyota builds motors, i just get the feeling the 1j was probably built a little better than the rb25. but i dont really know, that why i was asking.

TEKVICIOUS
01-10-2004, 11:43 PM
Jeez...didn't realize I was inciting a riot guys http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif
I'm not a newb either. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

quest
01-11-2004, 06:17 AM
curbsurfer,
I stand corrected, you are right his 7M and 1J ports are pretty close in size. I was going from memory, and what it was that stuck in my mind is that I could barely get my pinkie finger through the oe exhaust manifolds (from head to turbo flange).
As far as the power on both motors in the corolla, I stand (firmly) by that - 7m 'will' hold a candle to a 1j, and burn its arse too.. heheh

Anyway, as expected the twins sh1t the bed at 20psi. He got a manifold and is going single. Came accross a 2j bottom with bad rod bearing so the 1j block will come out


whassup TEKVICIOUS,
u been gone. China?
Yeah, they're both solid. I'd take the 7 too. Better leave that battle of 1j vs 7m on supraforums... they're doin a pretty good job at that

osofast240
01-11-2004, 12:18 PM
did you use the aristo or IS300 front sump oil pan?

DudeYourSoooJDM
01-11-2004, 02:37 PM
I believe we got an Aristo one from someone in Florida.....He wanted ours, and we needed his.



, i just get the feeling the 1j was probably built a little better than the rb25


I love both motors, both have gobs of potential, JIC you didn't know Yamaha designed the head on the 1JZ.


Someone asked for video....I just need to upload it!