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DoctorNo
04-16-2004, 12:22 PM
Amazingly, GM has already recalled 7.7 million vehicles in 2004 (and it's still April), surpassing the 7.4 million cars and trucks it recalled all of last year; GM recalled 4.6 million vehicles in 2002.

Let's hope GM can get their act together, since they were campaigning about how much their reliability has improved and try not to hit the 10 million mark this year.

Link to Article (http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0404/16/g01-124748.htm)


WASHINGTON — In the latest in a string of recalls, General Motors Corp. will fix about 330,000 SUVs because their seat belts fail to comply with federal safety regulations.

GM has now recalled 7.7 million vehicles in 2004, surpassing the 7.4 million cars and trucks it recalled all of last year. GM recalled 4.6 million vehicles in 2002, according to federal statistics.

The recalls could hurt GM’s effort to convince consumers its quality has vastly improved in recent years.

GM said the seat-belt problem, which affects certain 2001 and 2002 Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy and Oldsmobile Bravada SUVs, was inconsequential to safety.

“We’ve had no reports of any crashes, failures or injuries,” attributable to the seat belts, said GM spokesman Jim Schell.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration disagreed, forcing the recall after a two-year investigation.

NHTSA said the seat belts in the mid-size SUVs would allow too much head and chest movement during a crash.

GM notified NHTSA in April 2002 that 1.9 million pickups and SUVs fell short of federal seat-belt requirements. GM petitioned the government for a waiver from the regulation, arguing a backup system would lock the belts sufficiently in place during a collision.

NHTSA decided that GM’s backup systems provided an adequate safety margin for about 80 percent of the vehicles in question, including the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra pickups and Tahoe, Suburban, Avalanch and Escalade SUVs.

GM will notify the government next week with details about precisely which vehicles would be affected, how they would be fixed, and how soon the repairs would be available to consumers, Schell said.

In August 2000, GM recalled 156,000 cars and trucks because their seat-belt buckles did not meet federal regulations. That recall covered 16 different models, including some 2000 and 2001 Chevy Blazers.

While its recalls have mounted, GM models have scored well in recent independent quality and reliability studies. In November, a Consumer Reports survey on vehicle quality found the Buick Regal scored ahead of well-regarded imports such as the Toyota Camry and Nissan Maxima.

In another survey of initial quality covering 2003 models, GM placed fifth behind Toyota, Porsche, BMW, and Honda, but ahead of Nissan, Ford, DaimlerChrysler and Volkswagen.

Nismo
04-16-2004, 12:28 PM
GM SUCKS!


GM MAKES UNRELIABLE JUNK (AND THIS PROVES IT)!


GM DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD AUTOMOBILES!


SHOULD'VE BOUGHT A DAEWOO (er, change that to HYUNDAI)!


GM DOESN'T KNOW JACK ABOUT ENGINEERING!


GM SUCKS!


NISSAN RULES!


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M_TYPE_X
04-16-2004, 01:58 PM
I'm betting on 10 Million. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Madmaster
04-17-2004, 03:26 PM
GM SUCKS!


GM MAKES UNRELIABLE JUNK (AND THIS PROVES IT)!


GM DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD AUTOMOBILES!


SHOULD'VE BOUGHT A DAEWOO (er, change that to HYUNDAI)!


GM DOESN'T KNOW JACK ABOUT ENGINEERING!


GM SUCKS!


NISSAN RULES!


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True. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

FanaticZ
04-17-2004, 03:51 PM
I don't see anything wrong with a proactive recall. The problem is when companies refuse to admit there is a problem.

Vans
04-17-2004, 04:08 PM
I don't see anything wrong with a proactive recall. The problem is when companies refuse to admit there is a problem.



i agree, better proactive then none at all. honestly, these problems have problem always been around for GM they just never admitted it before because they didn't care and it would cost less in the long run to settle later in court.

Irie_eyes
04-17-2004, 06:14 PM
How much cars did GM sell?
Wouldn't a ratio be more approprate?
Being world's largest is going to mean the most recalls regardless.

DoctorNo
04-18-2004, 07:44 AM
I don't see anything wrong with a proactive recall. The problem is when companies refuse to admit there is a problem.



The vast majority of recalls this year weren't voluntary nor proactive. They were mandated by the NHSTA, usually when a recall in a voluntary car makers try to avoid the term "recall".

The big recall they did this year was the recalling of the 4 million trucks because of the tailgate cable problem, 134 injures and 61,000+ warranty claims had to be filed before GM recalled those trucks.


How much cars did GM sell?
Wouldn't a ratio be more approprate?
Being world's largest is going to mean the most recalls regardless.



No a ratio would be less appropriate; it would make GM look worse.

GM North America built 1.345 million vehicles (524,000 cars and 821,000 trucks) in the first quarter of 2004. (first quarter ended at the begining of this month). So GM has a 550% recall/manufactered ratio for 2004.

Since the recalled cars are from various years, it is an accumulated problem from many diffrent years and models, which would make it difficult to quantify in this way.

It's been the worst recall for GM in 23 years, and that includes the 80s where we are all familar of what kind of cars they used to make.

It's esp sad because GM seems to have finally started to produce exciting products (new Corvette, Soltice, Cadillac revival, etc).

Irie_eyes
04-18-2004, 10:01 AM
You can't use the amount of vehicles sold in the first quarter 2004, then use the amount of vehicles that was recalled but of various years. That's not how a ratio works.

And like other said, they probably are being proactive.
This is just the highest recall of the year, not the highest recall of the year for that year's make and models.

DoctorNo
04-18-2004, 12:03 PM
You can't use the amount of vehicles sold in the first quarter 2004, then use the amount of vehicles that was recalled but of various years. That's not how a ratio works.





I think you've just repeated what I said:


Since the recalled cars are from various years, it is an accumulated problem from many diffrent years and models, which would make it difficult to quantify in this way.



Point being, ratios are difficult to quantify, and doesn't really help GMs case any.



And like other said, they probably are being proactive.
This is just the highest recall of the year, not the highest recall of the year for that year's make and models.



I wouldn't call 61,000 warranty claims and 134 injures (however minor), being proactive (just from one recall; 4 mil).

Besides, these recalls were not GMs choice, they are the result of investigation from NHSTA

Irie_eyes
04-18-2004, 12:45 PM
Why? You can just figure out the total number of recalls and what years they span, then compare that to total number of vehicles sold between those years.

DoctorNo
04-18-2004, 01:08 PM
Why? You can just figure out the total number of recalls and what years they span, then compare that to total number of vehicles sold between those years.




It'll be easy if it was only a few recalls; but considering that there are so many recalls, spanning over many years, for a specific model year (literally dozens and dozens of recalls). Not to mention the fact that it doesn't take into account any future recalls that are likely to happen for that specific model year.


However, if you feel it's easy, please feel free to calculate it for the benefit of us all (but please show your work). Thank you.

Irie_eyes
04-18-2004, 02:11 PM
I don't give a rip about it.
Just pointing out how easy people can preceive stuff by fudging data.


Not to mention the fact that it doesn't take into account any future recalls that are likely to happen for that specific model year.



WTF, I'm supposed to be psychic now?

DoctorNo
04-18-2004, 02:48 PM
I don't give a rip about it.
Just pointing out how easy people can preceive stuff by fudging data.

WTF, I'm supposed to be psychic now?



GM recalled 7.7 million cars and trucks so far this year, that's the data, take it for what it's worth.

Nobody is trying to fudge data here but yourself, if you want to recalculate by Recall/Make/ModelYear/(whatever), feel free to "fudge"/recalculate the data whatever way that makes you comfortable.