2005 Acura RL

[Deadpool]

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Revolutionary All-New Acura RL Luxury Performance Sedan Combines Sleek Styling, High Performance AWD

Date: September 01, 2004 00:32
Submitted by: Tuan
Source: Honda Press Release
Credibility Rating: N/A

More 2005 Acura RL press release from Acura are available in the News Section http://www.vtec.net/news/

WASHINGTON D.C. – With a 300 horsepower VTEC V-6 engine, a revolutionary all-wheel-drive system, dynamic styling and breakthrough technology, including the first north American application of satellite-based real-time traffic information, the all-new Acura RL is designed to redefine the luxury performance sedan category.

“The RL will definitely set a new benchmark in its category,” said Tom Elliott, executive vice president, auto operations. “The new all-wheel drive system gives it the handling prowess of a sports car, but inside it is extremely refined. That combination of performance and luxury will be hard to beat.”

The 2005 RL showcases an assortment of Acura firsts including a ground-breaking all-wheel drive system that gives it the most precise handling in its class. The Super-Handling

All-Wheel-Drive System (SH-AWD) is the first and only all-wheel-drive platform that distributes the optimum amount of torque not only between the front and rear wheels but also between the left and right rear wheels. During straight line cruising and moderate cornering, up to 70 percent of torque is at the front wheels. During full throttle acceleration or spirited driving, up to 70 percent of available torque goes to the rear wheels for increased acceleration and enhanced cornering. In addition to varying the torque front to rear, SH-AWD varies the amount of torque to the left and right rear wheels. When cornering, this ground-breaking technology overdrives the outer rear wheel, sending up to 100 percent of rear torque to that wheel to dramatically enhance the RL’s cornering, steering feel, handling and stability. The result is class-leading cornering performance and cornering stability as well as enhanced traction on dry or wet surfaces.

The RL’s 3.5-liter, 24-valve, all-aluminum VTEC engine is the most powerful engine ever in an Acura, generating 300 hp at 6200 rpm and 260 lb-ft of torque at 5,000 rpm (up from 225 hp and 231 lb-ft for the ’04 RL). A variable flow exhaust system helps to generate additional horsepower. It is equipped with two close-coupled primary catalytic converters for quicker light off and a secondary underfloor catalytic converter, which help to lower emissions levels by 75 percent from LEV to LEV2-ULEV standards. Despite the extra power, the RL achieves fuel economy of 18/25 mpg (city/highway).

The RL features a 5-speed Sequential SportShift automatic transmission that enables gears to be shifted using a shift lever on the center console or with the paddle-shifters located on the steering wheel. This compact gear box features wide gear ratios optimized for precise shifting, dynamic performance and superior fuel economy.
To complement the high performance powertrain, Acura gave the RL a highly rigid unit body that is lightweight due in large part to aluminum construction of the sub frame, suspension, hood, trunk lid, and front fenders. The trunk lid and fenders are made using an innovative new blow molding process, which increases rigidity and allows shaping that would not be possible with other molding methods.

As part of Acura’s commitment to providing Safety for Everyone, the RL is the first Acura model to utilize the Advanced Compatibility Engineering (ACE) body structure, designed to enhance passenger safety. The new ACE structure helps to disperse collision forces over a larger frontal area. The system helps provide even better protection for vehicle occupants while at the same time reducing aggressivity toward other vehicles in a frontal collision.

The RL’s lightweight chassis and 4-wheel independent suspension components are tuned to complement the SH-AWD system and deliver a linear cornering feel, optimum cornering traction and a smooth ride. The 17x8-inch alloy wheels are fitted with P245/50R17 98 V-rated Michelin all-season high performance tires that fill the wheel wells and add to the RL’s aggressive stance. Large 4-wheel disc brakes with 4-piston front calipers, ABS, Electronic Brake Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist provide optimum stopping power.

The RL’s sleek exterior styling reflects the abundant power under the hood. And, while it is almost three inches shorter than the current RL, it is over an inch wider and offers more passenger volume than the RL it replaces. In front, a dramatically sloping hood leads down to an aggressive front fascia with angular headlight treatments, a signature Acura five-sided grill and distinctive lower air intake openings. A sleek cockpit, a forward sloping beltline and a short deck lid accent the RL’s pronounced wedge shape, making it look fast from any angle.

The RL is the first Acura equipped with the Active Front Lighting System (AFS) for increased illumination and visibility. The low beams swivel up to 20 degrees in either direction in response to vehicle speed and input from the steering wheel. During straight-line driving the headlights perform like conventional systems by illuminating the road directly in front of the vehicle. When entering a curve, the inboard light swivels according to input from steering and vehicle speed sensors to illuminate a larger area of road surface throughout the corner, thus minimizing blind spots.

Inside, the new RL is as luxurious as it is sporty. The interior features rich leather, genuine wood trim, an assortment of leading-edge technology and, for the first time in a North American vehicle*, standard real-time traffic information integrated into a new in-car satellite navigation system featuring AcuraLink. Utilizing the XM NavTraffic service beamed from XM’s satellites, the large 8-inch navigation screen can display a variety of up-to-the-minute traffic information where available including flow (traffic speed), accidents, and construction on freeways in 20 major metro areas including Los Angeles, New York and Chicago. Flow and accident information are updated continuously, allowing drivers to take the least congested route to their destination.
In addition to enabling the real-time traffic feature, the AcuraLink Satellite Communication System allows for communication between Acura and the vehicle, providing customers with the latest diagnostic information specific to their vehicle as well as vehicle-related messages. Because it works with the car’s HandsFreeLink wireless telephone interface, drivers can respond to messages or one-touch-dial Acura dealers and Acura Roadside Assistance (TLC) using their Bluetooth phone.

The RL also features a standard 10-speaker Acura/BOSE® DVD-Audio system that uses Bose Cabin Surround™ circuitry to deliver surround sound to all seating positions. This innovative new system utilizes eight distinct channels (compared to two on a typical premium sound system) to deliver sound resolution 500 times greater than CD. In addition, Centerpoint signal processing circuitry processes stereo recordings to five independent channels, to deliver simulated surround sound from conventional CDs. Road, wind and other intrusive noise is neutralized through the application of AudioPilot noise compensation technology, which monitors cabin noise and adjusts the sound balance accordingly.

Another standard feature is the Acura Navigation System with Voice Recognition. This easy to use system features a menu of 560 voice commands, an 8-inch display, a comprehensive destination guide with over 7 million points of interest, 3-D graphics for freeway interchanges, on and off-ramps and turn-by-turn voice guidance. The system has expanded memory and a faster processor to provide quicker start up and route search times, more points of interest and access to the Zagat Restaurant Guide. In addition, all U.S. cities and street names (1.7 million) may be accessed through the voice recognition command. The system can be accessed through the steering wheel-mounted voice recognition buttons or by using the Interface Dial located on the instrument panel.

The RL also features a Bluetooth-based wireless phone interface as standard equipment. The HandsFreeLink wireless telephone interface, which debuted on the 2004 TL, enables a Bluetooth wireless interface with mobile phones, allowing calls to be made and received utilizing the RL’s steering wheel-mounted HandsFreeLink button, which connects their phone to the system.

The RL is the first Acura equipped with the Keyless Access System, which allows owners to lock and unlock doors, open the trunk, and start the car without using a key. The RL’s key fob is equipped with a transmitter that communicates wirelessly with sensors in the car. When the fob comes within approximately two and a half feet of the car, the system links and the doors can be opened simply by touching the door handle. The engine can be turned on and off by turning a switch on the steering column.

In addition to the ACE body structure, the RL incorporates an assortment of the latest safety systems and devices including a full complement of front, side and side curtain airbags, as well as Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA).

Acura offers a full line of premium performance vehicles through a nationwide network of more than 260 dealers. The Acura lineup features six distinctive models including the exotic NSX supercar, the RL luxury performance sedan, the TL performance luxury sedan, the TSX sports sedan, the race-bred RSX sports coupe, and the award-winning MDX luxury sport utility vehicle.

[Vans]

Exterior is pretty ho-hum. But I'm sure its a nice car. I wonder what price it starts at

[mr_mocha]

M45 ownz if it costs more than 40k. Is the RL going to be upscale from the TL? It doesnt look larger and it certainly pulls off the counterfeit accord from the side.

[NissT]

M45 ownz if it costs more than 40k. Is the RL going to be upscale from the TL? It doesnt look larger and it certainly pulls off the counterfeit accord from the side.



AWD M35 equipped similarly to RL will cost over $50K (go price it on infiniti.com). So why the hell do you expect RL to cost less than $40K? Also, new RL offers more passenger volume than current RL.
If you don’t like the styling, it’s ok, but it doesn’t mean that RL will be owned and it doesn’t mean that it’s supposed to cost under $40K.
If you compare both cars when they come out, I wouldn’t be surprised if RL will “own” M35 (if you put styling aside, which is just a personal opinion). RL will be under $50K, have all the features, and it arguably has the best AWD.

[mr_mocha]

I dont know much about the current RL and I dont know much about the new one other than the pictures and specs posted above. I cant really tell if you are backing my point or conflicting my point. If the RL indeed reaches the 50k mark the RWD M45 (read where I put 45, not 35) should ownz0r the AWD RL (I didnt even know the M45 was going to come with awd?). 340+ hp-torque monster without the weight of awd technology should most definitely whip on that 300hp RL. If it doesnt then Infiniti has a problem.... I am one person on this forum who could care less about awd. I dont drive aggressively when it's snowing or raining so what good is having a couple hundred extra el-bees under my car.

[NissT]

I'm simply saying that RL is not even targeting M45. RL will directly compete with M35. M45 will cost well above $50K (and M45 doesn't come with AWD, only M35 does).
And in any case, as I said it’s uncertain which car will handle better, be it M45 vs RL or AWD M35 vs RL. I'd put my money on RL in both cases.

[RandyWatson]

I've been buying luxury cars a long time and that looks like a damn Kia or something. Where is the precense? Looks like a big Accord.
The interior looks very good and the hardware is there. But man, I think only librarians and dead people could be seen in this.

[mr_mocha]

I havent seen the expected price of the M45. What I was getting at was the fact that if the RL even comes close to the 50k price tag it is indeed targeted at the 45. I guess it would be like saying the Touareg with its three engine options isnt targeting the FX45 it is targeting the FX35. Isnt it the same truck/different engine? It isnt infiniti's fault acura isnt offering an 8. The M35, like the FX35 is going to be considered the "base model". Im assuming the M35 will be identical to the G35X unless the weight difference is big, would it not? Actually if the M35 comes with a 6SP Manual Ill say the same about the 35 beating the RL in performance. (G35 sedan rated at 298?... way more torque. Id expect the same or more in the M)

[crea]

M35 will kill it...
that thing is just too... Accordish

[NJFXlover]

No the RL will not win any exterior styling awards, but I must say that, it looks A LOT better than the current RL. The 2005 brings the RL up to the class that it should have been at since it's beginning. About the RL reaching the $50k price tag, I believe that it will. The current RL starts at $45,600, with all the upgrades then it should quickly reach over $50k. After building a M45 is priced, if my memory serves me correctly, $54,000. So I would agree that the RL will compete with the M45. In that case the M45 seems like a better car all around.

[NissT]

Just go to infiniti.com and build an M35... M thirty five similarly equipped as RL. And you will see that it’s over $50K. M45 is $57K similarly equipped (V8, but no AWD). Funny when it comes to price numbers everyone all of a sudden doesn’t know how much M will cost when it’s right there on infiniti website.
No it’s not Infiniti’s fault that Acura doesn’t have a v8 version of RL. But it doesn’t mean that RL has to be compared to M45 when there is a direct competition - M35 (about the same price range and same features, i.e. V6, AWD – which M45 doesn’t have).
So yes, M45 maybe a better choice, but it comes with a price.



[/QUOTE]I guess it would be like saying the Touareg with its three engine options isnt targeting the FX45 it is targeting the FX35. Isnt it the same truck/different engine? It isnt infiniti's fault acura isnt offering an 8.

[/QUOTE]

In this case I can say the same thing about Q vs. MB S class. It’s not MB fault that Infiniti isn’t offering V12. So top of the line S600 is a direct competition to Q45?

[Deadpool]

Just go to infiniti.com and build an M35... M thirty five similarly equipped as RL. And you will see that it’s over $50K. M45 is $57K similarly equipped (V8, but no AWD). Funny when it comes to price numbers everyone all of a sudden doesn’t know how much M will cost when it’s right there on infiniti website.
No it’s not Infiniti’s fault that Acura doesn’t have a v8 version of RL. But it doesn’t mean that RL has to be compared to M45 when there is a direct competition - M35 (about the same price range and same features, i.e. V6, AWD – which M45 doesn’t have).
So yes, M45 maybe a better choice, but it comes with a price.



Oh yes. Because you know its the official pricing http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gifSame thing happened with the QX56. Initial pricing from Infiniti was high but went down a whole lot when the official pricing was announced.

[NissT]

Just go to infiniti.com and build an M35... M thirty five similarly equipped as RL. And you will see that it’s over $50K. M45 is $57K similarly equipped (V8, but no AWD). Funny when it comes to price numbers everyone all of a sudden doesn’t know how much M will cost when it’s right there on infiniti website.
No it’s not Infiniti’s fault that Acura doesn’t have a v8 version of RL. But it doesn’t mean that RL has to be compared to M45 when there is a direct competition - M35 (about the same price range and same features, i.e. V6, AWD – which M45 doesn’t have).
So yes, M45 maybe a better choice, but it comes with a price.



Oh yes. Because you know its the official pricing http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gifSame thing happened with the QX56. Initial pricing from Infiniti was high but went down a whole lot when the official pricing was announced.



When we'll see a different number from Infiniti, then we'll talk. Till now that's the only official number. I don’t see a big difference in price between top of the line TL and top of the line G. So I absolutely see no reason to think that top of the line M thirty five will have a big price difference from top of the line RL.

[mr_mocha]

well I tried to build my 2006 M45 on the infiniti webpage and sent back an error message. "The 2006 isnt even out yet... wtf makes you think that you can build one" The Acura page said something similar. If you are basing all of your pricing info on the current RL and the suspected M three five (<-wtf, still isnt getting it) then you are just blowing sh!t out of your ass. Now seeing the 45+K price of the current lame duck RL, I have no doubt that the price tag will be within reasonable comparing segments. I consider awd in this type of car an accessory not a segment divider. If the RL creeps within even 5k of the M45 let it be ownz0red. I expect really lame performance numbers from the RL anyway. That said, I kind of expect the M35 to be off the G35 as well. I hope they prove me wrong.

$5,000 difference on a 50k car

=

$2,000 difference on a 20k car

maybe we shouldnt compare the Mazdaspeed protoge with the Spec-V since it has that fancy turbo and it cost sooo much more..

get it?

They both are the top offering in that particular segment. Acura doesnt have a v-8 stud, sorry.

[NissT]

well I tried to build my 2006 M45 on the infiniti webpage and sent back an error message. "The 2006 isnt even out yet... wtf makes you think that you can build one" The Acura page said something similar. If you are basing all of your pricing info on the current RL and the suspected M three five (<-wtf, still isnt getting it) then you are just blowing sh!t out of your ass. Now seeing the 45+K price of the current lame duck RL, I have no doubt that the price tag will be within reasonable comparing segments. I consider awd in this type of car an accessory not a segment divider. If the RL creeps within even 5k of the M45 let it be ownz0red. I expect really lame performance numbers from the RL anyway. That said, I kind of expect the M35 to be off the G35 as well. I hope they prove me wrong.

$5,000 difference on a 50k car

=

$2,000 difference on a 20k car

maybe we shouldnt compare the Mazdaspeed protoge with the Spec-V since it has that fancy turbo and it cost sooo much more..

get it?

They both are the top offering in that particular segment. Acura doesnt have a v-8 stud, sorry.



Wooooo, if you have a [censored] PC, it’s not my fault. There IS a link where you can build your own M35/45, so just chill out. So as I said, you have absolutely no basis for anything that you say. So who’s blowing sh!t?
The fact is, infiniti.com shows M45 at over $57K and M35 at just over $50K. (If dealers will have a very different prices, then we will talk).
The fact is that the upcoming M35 is a direct competition to new RL in terms of features and price (price is unknown, but it’s safe to assume that it’s ~$50K). That’s exactly what you are going to see in all auto press, sorry if that hurts your feelings. (Read my previous post about comparing cars if you don’t get it).
The fact is that new RL has same (or about the same) HP as new M35 and new RL has a more advanced AWD system specifically for performance handling. So why the hell are you so sure that M35 will own RL? I mean what’s your basis? Who’s blowing sh!t? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif

[mr_mocha]

read more carefully... I said with a manual tranmission I still say M35 ownz. I want to touch on the pure lunacy of the mbs600 analogy. Do you realize you can buy 2 q's for that price? Refer to price guide in previous post if you dont understand my logic. Maybe the NA protoge should go against the spec-v since it is closer in price and no turbo... get it?

read, comprehend, breathe and then reply.

[mr_mocha]

plus Im showing an estimated 51,400 for a v-8 rwd sport model?

[SukairainKupe]

The sad thing is the RL will most likely outsell the M35...... Hey, middle age people like boring looks. Most of them probably moved up from the Accord/Camry camp. That's Honda's answer to people who always thought "Well, I loved my Camry/Accord, I just wished it had more blah blah blah"

Good marketting strategy, but someone should be kicked in the nuts for still not implementing a V8 in a flagship. For crying outloud if Honda is impotent to create a V8, borrow one from Nissan or Toyota and rebadge it.

[NJFXlover]

Why do you need a V8 in the flagship, 300hp is 300hp, whether it's from a V6 or V8, the MB E500 only has 302hp, which is just 2 more than the RL, I give Acura props for being able to get 300hp out of a non supercharged, non turbo V6. Who else has that?

[mr_mocha]

*ahem*... who else puts out ~300hp and decent torque from a NA engine?... how about Infiniti? The 2005 G35 sedan now has 298. anyway, back to nister T. I base my assumptions on weight ~4000 +300hp -40ft-lbs the acura is missing. = M35 faster? Just a thought... Im not trying to bet money here or cause people to get upset.

[camber]

That looks like a big Accord in these new pics.


and it arguably has the best AWD.




Ummmm... No.

We know the new RL has the most complicated AWD system. However, until we get some real world driving experience and relability information on the system then it looks like a overpriced and overhyped way to do a very simple thing. Kinda like the SH Prelude!

I wouidn't be surprised if the RL outsold the M35/45 in the US. However, you have to remember that the RL won't be a direct competitor to the M35/45.

Like most Acura product it will occupy space where no other manufacturer is. Acura doesn't want to go head to head with a full line up of cars against other full line Lux manufacturers(ie. Lexus, BMW, & Mercedes). Where it seems Infiniti/Nissan wants to go after those big profit margins.

The HP seems nice on this motor but it's missing a ton of torque when compared to the VQ35's making 300hp.

[NissT]

read more carefully... I said with a manual tranmission I still say M35 ownz. I want to touch on the pure lunacy of the mbs600 analogy. Do you realize you can buy 2 q's for that price? Refer to price guide in previous post if you dont understand my logic. Maybe the NA protoge should go against the spec-v since it is closer in price and no turbo... get it?

read, comprehend, breathe and then reply.



Just like all V8/V6 option models, M V8 will be ~15-20% of all M sales...

If you express an opinion, simply have an educated one. Example:

Me:
I referenced how auto press compares the cars. Also, there is a reason why V8s represent ~15-20% of any model sales (look at Lexus, Audis, BMWs, MBs). There IS A LOGIC.

I looked up the price on infiniti.com and I made an educated guess about RL price – redesigned TL went up in price ~$2K... RL will do about the same just because of redesign... but it has AWD, so add ~$3K more = ~$5K. Platform sharing will cover the expense of “exotic” materials (i.e. extensive use of aluminum – keeping the weight down).

Since both M35 and RL will be priced in the same neighborhood, I compared top of the line AWD V6 M with AWD V6 RL (which is already top of the line). (Again, don’t mumble about V8 M... if the price difference is so insignificant, why the hell do 80% of the people buy V6 even if they have an option of V8?)

Since they have the same HP numbers, I did not jump to conclusions that either one will “own” another.

RL has a more advanced AWD system designed specifically for performance, so because of that reason RL might have an advantage.

You:
It’s an Acura, so it’ll be owned by Infiniti. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif
M45 is a direct competition to RL (still unsupported opinion).
M35 has a manual transmission....... Ok then http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I have nothing else to say.

[NissT]

That looks like a big Accord in these new pics.


and it arguably has the best AWD.




Ummmm... No.

We know the new RL has the most complicated AWD system. However, until we get some real world driving experience and relability information on the system then it looks like a overpriced and overhyped way to do a very simple thing. Kinda like the SH Prelude!





That's why I said arguably http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[camber]

k....

But a bunch or spiffy videos and press releases don't make for a good argument http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[M_TYPE_X]

I like it. The side profile does look a little Accordish but that's okay. The front and back ends are definitely Honda-Acura and that's a big selling point. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Now all they gotta do is make a coupe variant ... 300 hp AWD Acura luxury coupe! WOOT! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[mr_mocha]

nister, you're missing my point. I went to infiniti.com and did your "build a car that doesnt exist". I found that a 4wd M35 was roughly 46,000, The M45 was roughly 51,400 (if you are adding all that aero package **************** you can get that thing to be pretty expensive but then I ask. Have you seen it? It doesnt need an aero package). I understand that car mags base comparisons on specs. (did I ever mention that I cared about the general buying public or what the mags would think?) Im telling you that if the RL costs 50,000 and the M45 costs 51,400. Im not going to handicap the Infiniti for having a bigger engine. Period. What dont you get about that?

"RL has a more advanced AWD system designed specifically for performance, so because of that reason RL might have an advantage." <-maybe in the rain or snow.

you might want to go up and read my original reply (my 2nd on this thread) maybe get this thing headed in a direction that isnt fabricated by your ramblings. You are mistaking me for someone who gives a damn about awd. Im talking about straight out performance for money. Those cars are in the same segment right?... can we agree on that? reminding nister that I am talking about the M45/35 with the RL

Why dont you come back once the RL posts its 0-60 time of 7.2 seconds.

Infiniti is not "always better" it just happens to be the case here... in speculation... http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[NissT]

You didn't built M, you just selected a model with no options. Why don't you build it with options that RL already has - a $10500 option Premium Package. Or you mean to tell me that you don't care about options, but just pure performance? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif It's a luxury car, not a roadster.
I know that there were no official test results, but if you know a little bit of physics, it's understandable that this AWD system is performance oriented, and not only in bad weather. 7.2 second http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Nissan_Admirer]

Hmm ... A current model Lexus GS430 which by the way weighs about 3700 lbs has 300 hp and 325 lbs-ft. of torque and with a 5 speed automatic transmission can do 0-60mph in about 5.8 seconds. I wonder what this nearly 4000 lbs. pig with 300 hp and 260 lbs-ft of torque can do? Any bold predictions? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[NewsReporter]

I dislike the look of the Accord

[camber]

I wonder what this nearly 4000 lbs. pig with 300 hp and 260 lbs-ft of torque can do? Any bold predictions?



Not to mentioned the added drivetrain friction of a complicated AWD system http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[SHIFT_6speeds]

I like the front styling. Do not care for the rear. The interior is too fussy. Side profile is just okay.

Visually, the car just does not stir any emotion.

http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/sleep/schla08.gif

[mr_mocha]

Ill quote a car company who does awd right...

Audi S4 quattro - equation for success:
"Horsepower is great, but it's torque that creates propulsive power"

4.2L V-8
340hp/302ft-lb
4,025 lbs
0-60 5.6 seconds.

G35X
3.5 V-6 (5speed automatic)
260hp/260ft-lb (soon to be 277hp)
3677lbs
0-60 6.5 <-im sure this is goig down. I already saw 6.3 for the '04 but we will say 6.5 to be fair *again handicapping

Enter:
Acura TL (see here, this is where the learning begins)
3.2 V-6
270Hp/238ft-lb
3,582 lbs <-important to note for the next car.
0-60 6.4 (automatic) <-minus 4wd hardware

Acura RL
3.5 V-6
300hp/260lb-ft <-torque achieved at 5,000 rpm http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif
~<4000 lbs http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif
0-60 6.8* (thats a mocha estimate and a generous one at that) http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif

"The other major feature of the new Acura RL is an AWD system that sounds quite remarkable, but until we test it, it could end up being just an other cleverly marketed gimmick, or another way of describing a symmetrical 4WD system with active front, rear and central differentials."

Im guessing if you dont launch that RL at 4,000+ rpms there is no way that car is going to feel even slightly peppy. Id say my exaggerated 7.2 is not far off.

M35 will not be fighting that torque deficit.
I expect equal or better numbers from the M35 and woodshed type beating from the RWD M45... same class, different school.

So you might as well get on board for the big win Stormy!

I dont need a fancy traffic watcher... navigation... bluetoof... Knowing and showing my 340+hp M45 can blow the doors off of the other japanese offerings in the same segment would be the biggest and cheapest "option" of them all.

I realize this is relatively stupid doing all this work.... by the time I can afford either one of these cars something entirely new will be out.

Good Night, mr mocha

[kazi]

Acura RL
3.5 V-6
300hp/260lb-ft <-torque achieved at 5,000 rpm http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif
~<4000 lbs http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif
0-60 6.8* (thats a mocha estimate and a generous one at that) http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif


You can't be that ignorant to think that V6 has a peaky torque curve. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif

The Honda 3.5L V6 has a flat torque curve and produces 250lbsft+ of tq from 3500rpm and up.

['87 Sentra]

What is it with Acura and their wheels that look like wheel covers? The wheels in this car, and the RSX-S (2005) are ugly and would seem better fitted for a hyundai.

[M_TYPE_X]

What is it with Acura and their wheels that look like wheel covers? The wheels in this car, and the RSX-S (2005) are ugly and would seem better fitted for a hyundai.



http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif I can't help it your eyes help you deceive yourself.
Weirdo.

[crea]

what makes Honda's SH-AWD so great?? its over hype... honda has next to no experience in making AWD system.

its nothing compare to proven Nissan Atessa AWD

[M_TYPE_X]

what makes Honda's SH-AWD so great?? its over hype... honda has next to no experience in making AWD system.

its nothing compare to proven Nissan Atessa AWD




Honda has a habit of coming in & taking over & selling the stuff even when they have no prior record in the market. Watch out, they do their homework.

That said, Nissan is the place to go for ATTESA as well as SUVs/trucks.

[camber]

Honda has a habit of coming in & taking over & selling the stuff even when they have no prior record in the market. Watch out, they do their homework.




Like the Prelude SH or all the wonderfull Honda hybrids that get pummelled by Toyota Prius?

Anyone can stuff an AWD system in any car but it takes a long time before becoming proficient at it. Just look at a Subaru or Audi system and compare it to a BMW or Mercedes system....

This thing has Prelude SH written all over it.

[Irie_eyes]

this is what i read on the SH-AWD and the SH of the Prelude.

The Super Handling All-Wheel Drive(SH-AWD) system employs a planetary
gearset ahead of the rear differential
that can let the rear wheels spin faster
than the fronts for a rear-drive feel when
accelerating out of corners. At the same
time, computer-controlled electromag-
netic clutches control distribution of
power to each wheel, letting the RL put
more torque on the outside, more
heavily loaded, rear wheel when
cornering. The computer uses data
gathered by an accelerometer, yaw
sensor, and steering-wheel-position
sensor to determine power distribution,
according to Chief Engineer Minoru
Kida. Honda experimented with the
concept previously in the front-wheel-
drive Prelude SH, “but the computing
technology was too immature” for it to
work as intended, he said.The SH-AWD system can vary front-to-rear torque by 70%, and can vary
side-to-side torque at the rear wheels by
100%. Under acceleration when
cornering, the RL will spin the outside
rear wheel faster than the front wheels
or the inside rear wheel to induce
stabilizing, inward yaw movement.
Under deceleration, it also adjusts torque
to help stabilize the car, and under
straight-line acceleration, it shifts power
to both rear wheels for maximum
acceleration. The RL uses a five-speed
automatic gearbox controlled by
steering-wheel-mounted shift buttons.

[G35cFan]

Maybe it's just me, but using "super" in the name of anything tech related just doesn't seem right. Makes me think a 10yr old came up with the name.

[Deadpool]

Maybe it's just me, but using "super" in the name of anything tech related just doesn't seem right. Makes me think a 10yr old came up with the name.



Thats marketing for you. Create the hype because without this so called SUPERHANDLING AWD, this car has nothing the competition doesn't offer.

[mr_mocha]

[/QUOTE]You can't be that ignorant to think that V6 has a peaky torque curve. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif

The Honda 3.5L V6 has a flat torque curve and produces 250lbsft+ of tq from 3500rpm and up.

[/QUOTE]

did I say it had peaky torque curve? I smile at the 260 ft-lbs at 5,000. Why isnt anyone reading my posts? I spend that extra bit of time to make sure I come off as clear as possible and the responses I get leads me to believe I accidentally posted in the temple of vtec.

thanks for the 3.5L V-6 numbers.... I guess? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

the point of the post was to make an assumption on a 0-60 time. It's fun, you should try it.

*sorry about the edit... that missing "l" was driving me nuts.

[Nissan_Admirer]

... Why isnt anyone reading my posts? I spend that extra bit of time to make sure I come off as clear as possible and the responses I get leads me to believe I accidentaly posted in the temple of vtec.



Hey don't worry I'm reading your post! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif It's not you that's accidentally posted in the temple of vtec. It's the closet Honda fanatics that have come out in droves to defend their beloved flagsh*t 3.5 RL. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Hotsauce]

Why the hell do you have to come and defend an Acura on a damn Nissan/Infiniti forum. Stupid idiots. WTF are you going to acheive, accept lookin like an ignorant fool?

Keep your biased ass at TOV, no one comes there complaining about the way you run things. If you didn't know, know ya know.

[NissT]

Why the hell do you have to come and defend an Acura on a damn Nissan/Infiniti forum. Stupid idiots. WTF are you going to acheive, accept lookin like an ignorant fool?

Keep your biased ass at TOV, no one comes there complaining about the way you run things. If you didn't know, know ya know.



People like you are the garbage that should be cleaned from this forum. It's beyond me to understand where does all this hate comes from. This is a Car Lounge. Go to Nissan News if you don't like it. I don't believe I was talking sh!t about Nissan, so why don't you STFU.
Thank god most people around here are normal.

[NJFXlover]

Car & Driver just tested the RL. Honda's executive VP of auto operations says, "it will cost significantly under $50,000." Car & Driver wrote it up at an estimated $48,000. They also estimated 6.4 sec 0-60mph. 15.0 sec 1/4 mile.

[Nissan_Admirer]

Car & Driver also estimated 0-60mph time for the TSX before it came out to be 6.8 seconds. Did any other major magazines get that time when they actually tested the car? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[NJFXlover]

Estimated isn't exact, it's an educated guess. Not an exact time. So no, no one else would get that time. The RL can actually be slower or faster, but all I said was that, they estimated it at 6.4 seconds.

[RandyWatson]

Why do you need a V8 in the flagship, 300hp is 300hp, whether it's from a V6 or V8, the MB E500 only has 302hp, which is just 2 more than the RL, I give Acura props for being able to get 300hp out of a non supercharged, non turbo V6. Who else has that?


Since you never owned a luxury car, you probably simply don't understand THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT for luxury cars. You need more cylinders. Why the Town Car with only like 210hp with a V-8 feels smooth.
P.S the 360 Modena is a 3.6 liter V-8.
This car better not cost over 50k or it will be dead.

[RandyWatson]

Car & Driver just tested the RL. Honda's executive VP of auto operations says, "it will cost significantly under $50,000." Car & Driver wrote it up at an estimated $48,000. They also estimated 6.4 sec 0-60mph. 15.0 sec 1/4 mile.



So their flagship is slower than their lower class TL. Ain't that cool.

[NJFXlover]

Yeah it's a shame, but that is how it is now, with the current RL. At least it seems they did a lot better job on this one, than the last.

[M_TYPE_X]

Thank god most people around here are normal.



Well, I'm super duper, thanx for askin! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[crea]

yea
and acura has gone nuts with its pricing

Staring at $69,500 CAD

thats just 4 grand less then a M3 and nearly as much as a 545i

[FanaticZ]

Well this is the difference between Mb 302hp and Acura 300hp.

300 hp at 6200 rpm; 260 lb-ft of torque at 5,000 rpm
302 hp at 5600 rpm; 339 lb-ft of torque at 2,700-4,250 rpm

The car will sell fine, the styling seems to be almost as conservative as the currnet RL, interior is very nice. Have to wait n see the price before I could really complain, hopefully it is faster than a TL this time around.

[kazi]

So their flagship is slower than their lower class TL. Ain't that cool.

It's the same with Nissan. The new Maxima is slower than the Altima V6.

[M_TYPE_X]

The idea is that the extra luxury is worth the performance penalty, it seems.

[FanaticZ]

So their flagship is slower than their lower class TL. Ain't that cool.

It's the same with Nissan. The new Maxima is slower than the Altima V6.



Nissan =/ Acura, is the Q45 slower than a G35 sedan?

[SukairainKupe]

Nissan =/ Acura, is the Q45 slower than a G35 sedan?



Yes

[limits_at_infiniti]

haha nice story I want to race in england



auto for auto they are the same in the 03 04 year
although i have seen in one mag a 5.9 time posted for the q45.

but as per the 05 auto sedan and 6mt sedan, it will be faster than the q45.

maybe until the m45 comes out.

But besides all of that
is the 760i faster than the ///M3 or ///M5
or the the A8 faster than the S4
or the Maybach / S55 faster than the CL65 ?

From the looks of it, flagships are not suppose to be faster than the line up.

[Deadpool]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl12.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl14.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/justinjsw/cars/rl15.jpg

[FanaticZ]

Nice find.

[keithg]

I love the dash.....very upscale....not crazy about exterior...does nothing for me...

[M_TYPE_X]

Honey, someone Avalonized my Accord!

... and I love it! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/blush.gif

[SukairainKupe]

Those new pictures show the car much better than the Honda press release. I noticed the following:

1) The front end is a mixture of the last gen Camry, last gen Accord and the Banglized 5 serie. Never saw that until I saw that pic of the two cars side by side.

2) The side profile now resembles a overweight blob.... similar to that of the Toyota Corolla. I am glad the ridiculous groove from the TL is not on this car... but the side profile is very boring.

3) Rear end still looks just like a Nissan Teana, with Hyundai Tiburon tail lights.

Overall I think the car looks boring enough for Acura fans to dig it. I don't see this car selling better than the last RL though, but discounts and performance AWD might change that. We'll just have to see. Acura's FWD cars sells a lot better in the northern belt snow zones.

I won't have a problem recommending the new RL to Honda/Camry owners who think the Accord and Camry are the greatest cars on Earth.

[M_TYPE_X]

I wouldn't have a problem to recommend the new RL to Honda/Camry owners who think the Accord and Camry are the greatest car on Earth.



Woot! Let's sell some cars.

[mj_the_eh]

1. The interior of the new RL is beautiful, even if there are 57397598435 buttons on the center console. But I'm laughing my ass off @ that exterior. "Why," you may wonder? Well, try this: Close your eyes. Picture the exterior of the forthcoming M. Now, quickly, picture the forthcoming RL. See? Funny as hell ain't it?! (Repeat this exercise, substituting the Lexus G, the Mercedes Benz E, the Audi A6, and even the Acura TL [the TSX even!] for the Infiniti). Funny! As! Hell! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

2. Parked next to the RL, the BMW 5 actually looks attractive (the front view at least). But of course, Honda aren't exactly helping their case by putting the same damned headlights from their minivan on their flagship sedan. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

3. I'm really ready to see the comparos for the new crop of mid-level luxury sedans (and folks, let's be honest: mid-level luxury is where Acura top out). Lex G...Initi M... Akie RL...should be good vroom-vroom theater. And honestly, I think that they'll all be successes (mechanical and commercial).

4. I wonder whether the RL will steal sales from the TL? Or vice versa? Hell, the RL actually looks more low rent than the TL. And despite the additional horses and that super duper all wheel drive doohickey, I doubt that the RL will perform much better than the TL either.

Ah, but we'll see won't we? Won't be long now.

[Bern]

I posted pics of the RL and M together on some other forum, and so far, a large majority finds the RL more attractive and the M to just look like a large sedan.

As much as I am an Infiniti fan, I prefer the RL styling as well.

[FanaticZ]

Thats weird, I did the same on an acura board and the m was the most popular.

[mr_mocha]

real life pictures didnt help this car out at all... I still stand by my original and completely unbiased opinion. M35/45 ownz this car. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I, coming from the school of thought that cars should be exciting and produce emotion, believe the M45 is an answer to true nissan/infiniti fans. This car is dairy fresh with lines and a stance that is visually invigorating and down right intimidating. The RL doesnt trigger even a synapse upon viewing. It will pass under radar within 5 sightings on the street. This M45 will having me rubbernecking for months.

[mr_mocha]

....oh and in that second picture... Is that the RL 3 door hatch... badass...!

[Deadpool]

http://www.acura.com/promo/rl/minisite/wallpaper/rlmini_wall07_800x600.jpg
http://www.acura.com/promo/rl/minisite/wallpaper/rlmini_wall05_800x600.jpg
http://www.acura.com/promo/rl/minisite/wallpaper/rlmini_wall04_800x600.jpg

[M_TYPE_X]

I dunno about the exterior side-angle shots and the shape of the steering wheel. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif

[camber]

Looks good in the press pictures but the real life pictures http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif

[RandyWatson]

I think it's best aspect is the SH-AWD. Luxury car buyers give 2 [censored] about that. It looks like a GIANT ACCORD. At least the last RL looked like a baby LS 400.
Interior is nice.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

I dunno about the exterior side-angle shots and the shape of the steering wheel. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif



oh nooo...a round steering wheel..what wuz they thinkun? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[M_TYPE_X]

I dunno about the exterior side-angle shots and the shape of the steering wheel. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif



oh nooo...a round steering wheel..what wuz they thinkun? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Design, not shape ... I'll be more careful with my lexicon with you around. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[SHIFT_6speeds]

I dunno about the exterior side-angle shots and the shape of the steering wheel. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif



oh nooo...a round steering wheel..what wuz they thinkun? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Design, not shape ... I'll be more careful with my lexicon with you around. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif



http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[M_TYPE_X]

Read the latest Automobile Magazine, with a good interior shot. Steering wheel actually looks nice.

And despite the rear end's dumpyness issue, the front end does look very aggressive from the proper angle.

[Milesblue42]

Not too bad, it kinda resembles a 2002 Mazda Millenia from the front

http://www.automobiles.com/reviews/2004/02millenia.jpg

[camber]

And despite the rear end's dumpyness issue, the front end does look very aggressive from the proper angle.



Judging from the real pics posted, it looks like front end could never be aggressive unless it's inside a studio with the right lighting and artistic flair of a photographer http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[FanaticZ]

http://sohc.vtec.net//article_files/256323/05rlpr-060.jpg

cut n paste in a new window.

I don't see any reason why this won't look good on the streets.

[camber]

The pics of the white RL that Deadpool posted make the front end quite yawntastic.

It looks like a defined Accord front end. Not a very strong front end to be putting on a flagship car.

IMO needs something with a more masculine(but in a Honda way) like the last generation 7 series.

[M_TYPE_X]

And despite the rear end's dumpyness issue, the front end does look very aggressive from the proper angle.



Judging from the real pics posted, it looks like front end could never be aggressive unless it's inside a studio with the right lighting and artistic flair of a photographer http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



cluck cluck cluck. You're so happy about this, arencha! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[crea]

i think honda is already very successful with the new RL

seeing all those vtec fan boys drooling over the new RL and the SH(it)-AWD and of course the 300HP V6

[RandyWatson]

Not too bad, it kinda resembles a 2002 Mazda Millenia from the front

http://www.automobiles.com/reviews/2004/02millenia.jpg



Wow, it does. Millinea front, Accord Rest.

[M_TYPE_X]

i think honda is already very successful with the new RL

seeing all those vtec fan boys drooling over the new RL and the SH(it)-AWD and of course the 300HP V6



It's got what it takes. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif