Anyone seen this one? Vette engine > M5 V10?

[Madmaster]

http://forums.gminsidenews.com/showthread.php?t=7031

People there bragging about how the 7 liter Vette engine is so much better than the 5 liter V10, because its low tech ness is just as good as the high techness of the BMW. Hmm, id say the additional two liters producing 500 horsepower isn't as impressive as the bimmer's 100 hp per liter. Hicks.

[limits_at_infiniti]

i agree with yah
plus a tranny that can shift under 0.08 seconds

the m5 engine is probably half the price of a vette http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Sorin]

Personally, I wouldn't mind having either one of them. Both are fun and both have their distinct advantages. Both are fine examples of what can be done in their respective fields (OHV and OHC). Whether it's a 500hp 427 v8 small/big block or a 500hp 305 DOHC V10 doesn't matter to me.

I like OHV too, but those OHV fanboys need a serious reality check. They always try to make it sound like everyone else is too stupid too make a good OHV, so they have to resort to "fancy" OHC to compensate. They don't give a sh1t to learn that not every country out there has the space to have giant cars with giant ohv engines, and that some countries actually tax cars for having engines bigger than a certain limit - thereby leading to a natural preference to develop smaller engines, and further to try and get the most power out of their small sizes by utilizing DOHC and various other technologies. They make it sound like OHV is the end all be all of power and fuel economy and simplicity and everything else when in reality both OHV and OHC have their uses and neither trumps the other in every category or every situation.

You even try to tell them this but they somehow pull crazy, bullsh1t answers out of their ass.

[Irie_eyes]

http://forums.gminsidenews.com/showthread.php?t=7031

People there bragging about how the 7 liter Vette engine is so much better than the 5 liter V10, because its low tech ness is just as good as the high techness of the BMW. Hmm, id say the additional two liters producing 500 horsepower isn't as impressive as the bimmer's 100 hp per liter. Hicks.



Man, I just posted something about "rednecks" and you mention "hicks" in regards to that forum posting...

[Irie_eyes]

They always try to make it sound like everyone else is too stupid too make a good OHV, so they have to resort to "fancy" OHC to compensate.



I rarely, almost never hear this. Usually they don't know enough of either to make that kind of comparison.
I usually make that comparison, and that was only after I learned more about OHC.
It is not easy building a legit OHV.
I can't compare how hard it is to build a OHC but with what BMW did I don't think it's that easy either.
Two different kinds of difficulty.


They don't give a sh1t to learn that not every country out there has the space to have giant cars with giant ohv engines,



Some people don't give a sh!t about actually comparing the sizes and make generalized comments.


They make it sound like OHV is the end all be all of power and fuel economy and simplicity and everything else when in reality both OHV and OHC have their uses and neither trumps the other in every category or every situation.



Both sides need to understand this. OHC guys are understanding it better. I gave up explaining to OHC guys.
Both are exceptional, but too hard to compare both.

[Sorin]

It is not easy building a legit OHV.
I can't compare how hard it is to build a OHC but with what BMW did I don't think it's that easy either.
Two different kinds of difficulty.



Yeah. Getting 400hp from a 5.7L engine is one thing.....but to get 26+ mpg out of it too at the same time, while it also has 400 ft.lb.? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Likewise, Getting 100 hp/L from such a relatively large engine (5L V10), and revving as high as it does, AND being suitable as an everday vehicle? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

So props to both sides. Neither is easy.


Both sides need to understand this. OHC guys are understanding it better. I gave up explaining to OHC guys.
Both are exceptional, but too hard to compare both.



Yeah, it's the overused cliche of comparing apples to oranges. Both engines do essentially the same thing, but the way they go about doing is too different to compare directly. It'd be more salient to go compare dohc to sohc than to compare ohv to ohc in the ways that those people are trying to compare them in.

But I too have given up on trying to get certain baseline, key, critical points across to some people. OHV guys seem particularly narrow minded in this regard, for some reason. Oh well. What can you do.

[Irie_eyes]

what is most bizarre is that domestic magazines have the best tech, especially the simple tech like "how a camshaft works" and what not, so I figured they'd be at the same level of knowledge, and it would be easy to explain the pros (and cons) of OHV, pentaroof chambers, and variable this and that, but they don't get it.
They understand cam specs, and how a cam would perform just based on that, but don't understand the benefit of having variable valve lift, duration, or timing.
Same with the specs of intakes.
You literally have more than one cam or intake in the engine. You are not stuck with having static specs.

When the OHV/blown Mustang guys get cocky toward imports, I like to get the OHC/n/a Chevy guys to trash talk them. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[WhereHaveYouBeen]

Does anyone know of any mileage ratings for the new M5?

[Riffster]

Does anyone know of any mileage ratings for the new M5?





It has not been rated yet (Motor Trend December comparo of M5 vs. E55 AMG Benz.)

- Riff

[M_TYPE_X]

Does anyone know of any mileage ratings for the new M5?





If it was 5 mpg, would you care? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif

[mr_e]

Frankly I'm not that impressed with the C6 vette engine. THe BMW V10 is much more impressing...2 more cylinders approxiamtely 1 liter LESS displacement...same (supposedly) horse power. With all of the technology at GM dispossal I would expect that they could have gotten 500 hp out a 6 Liter V8 but they went the cheap route...the number ARE impressive...the technology is not.

[Kookz]

What if you just put each inside of a black cube, and took only what came out of a shaft at one side. Which engine would you take?

[Kookz]

what is most bizarre is that domestic magazines have the best tech, especially the simple tech like "how a camshaft works" and what not, so I figured they'd be at the same level of knowledge, and it would be easy to explain the pros (and cons) of OHV, pentaroof chambers, and variable this and that, but they don't get it.
They understand cam specs, and how a cam would perform just based on that, but don't understand the benefit of having variable valve lift, duration, or timing.
Same with the specs of intakes.
You literally have more than one cam or intake in the engine. You are not stuck with having static specs.

When the OHV/blown Mustang guys get cocky toward imports, I like to get the OHC/n/a Chevy guys to trash talk them. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Irie, you mixed up your OHC and OHV designations. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Irie_eyes]

oh damn. lost a lot of points there.

[Madmaster]

Does anyone know of any mileage ratings for the new M5?





If it was 5 mpg, would you care? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif



Lol. Maybe 20 hwy? Viper gets around there.

[Riffster]

Does anyone know of any mileage ratings for the new M5?





If it was 5 mpg, would you care? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif



Lol. Maybe 20 hwy? Viper gets around there.



I would say it is around that - the E55 AMG that the M5 gets compared to a lot is 14/20 in city/highway EPA ratings.

- Riff