2001 Q45

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I have been trying to find a source to help me see what the new 2001 Q45 will look like.I recently posted shots of the new QX4 on my website but would really like to sneek a peek at the new Q Thanks Neil

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NeilDavid:
I have been trying to find a source to help me see what the new 2001 Q45 will look like.I recently posted shots of the new QX4 on my website but would really like to sneek a peek at the new Q Thanks Neil<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's a web page of one of Nissan Japan's inhouse tuners...
http://www.autech.co.jp/SV/Y34S01/index.html

The cars above is a Cedric which will become the basis of the new Q45. The Japanese market CEFIRO and the Infiniti I30 are similar so logically there should be some similarities between the new Q45 and the cars above should have some shared styling cues.

We're working on getting some prelimary shots and info of the new Q45. Stay tuned.

[GTR]

http://www.nissan.co.jp/CIMA/
the cima is the basis of our q45 in the states. there's a few possiblities that i have heard of concering the q's future.

scenario 1- the q45 will no longer be based on the cima, but on the cedric/ gloria.

scenario 2- the cima will be redesigned and be more cedric'ish and remain the basis of the q.

scenario 3- NDI will design the q.

I think scenarios 1 and 2 are very possible, while i don't think NDI has what it takes to design a flagship luxury vehicle.

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I just read that NDI has had a hand in the new Q45 being shown in April. I think NDI did an excellent job with the J30. It was just a tad too small interior wise and they should've used the Maxima's VQ engine instead of the VG series...but otherwise the detailing and oveall body shape appealed to me. The interior I don't think will argue was gorgeous.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GTR:
http://www.nissan.co.jp/CIMA/
the cima is the basis of our q45 in the states. there's a few possiblities that i have heard of concering the q's future.

scenario 1- the q45 will no longer be based on the cima, but on the cedric/ gloria.

scenario 2- the cima will be redesigned and be more cedric'ish and remain the basis of the q.

scenario 3- NDI will design the q.

I think scenarios 1 and 2 are very possible, while i don't think NDI has what it takes to design a flagship luxury vehicle.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[GTR]

personally, i'll take the cedric/ gloria as it is, but i can say its styling is debatable. some people might not be for that boxy look. i say that it should be 75% nissan japan styline and 25% NDI styling.

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You can find a sneak at the Q at this site:
http://www.busybeetoys.com/scoop/scoop-mainpage.htm

The images of the Q at that site isn't that flattering, it kinda looks like a chubby Cedric. Hopefully NDI can assist in altering the car for our tastes. Personally, I like the Cedric/Gloria design, just that that grill is quite f'ugly.

Also, does anyone have a reliable idea of what the specs for the new Q will be?? It really needs to be world class, as opposed to the marginally appointed current gen. Q, if it is to gain any recognition.

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I hope the new Q will resemble the first generaion, with plenty of personality.

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The busybee site has inaccurate information and according to the Infiniti Zone rep the cars Cedric,Gloria,Cima are not what the new Q looks like.However there is someone out there who saw the car in New York last year and has a photo of what is going to be shown this April.I am asking for that brave soul to give us all at least a peek.This new Q has got to be the breakthrough car for Infiniti .In essence it will be the third launch of the luxury line.P.S. Thanks for all the feedback! Neil

[GTR]

gimme something to turn my head away from the s class, and they have a winner.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GTR:
gimme something to turn my head away from the s class, and they have a winner.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The new S class is very sleek. I do admit that I liked the old S class because it looked mean (aggressive) and Teutonic. The new S is definitely softer but still a beautiful car in a different way.

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Anyone have prelim. specs on the Q?? Is there gonna be a CVT? 320 hp?

The old Q suffered because it didn't have a lotta options considered standard for that class, like stability control, dual zone climate control, real wood........... Also, I car in that class shouln't have a stut suspension up front.... hopefully the new Q will correct these flaws.

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Re Q45 relaunch.Infiniti division needs to do the advance work prior to the relaunch of the vehicle.Lexus as an example has very strict Dealer standards including advertising and marketing.This they enforce whether the car has all the state of the art equipment means NOTHING if the Dealers collectively start bargain basementing the car.Infiniti has got to get itself together or it will face the same market implosion as Saturn.Things that must stop immediately are.
A: Prices in ads this is tacky and says the cars from the gate are not a good value.
B: Insistence that Dealers advertise in local markets.They are not required too and thus will sit on co-op dollars.
C.Reintroduce Total ownership training.
If they(Infiniti)want to be as respected as Lexus they must do the groundwork.How else can you explain Lexus selling the ES250.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

What's wrong with strut suspension? Don't you realize that the Lexus LS400 has them too? That the Porsche 911 and Boxter also uses strut suspension? So what's wrong w/ strut suspension? Nothing. People are believing the marketing gimmick of double A arms that Honda and company have been putting out. It's a luxuary car, not a race car...


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jochi:
Anyone have prelim. specs on the Q?? Is there gonna be a CVT? 320 hp?

The old Q suffered because it didn't have a lotta options considered standard for that class, like stability control, dual zone climate control, real wood........... Also, I car in that class shouln't have a stut suspension up front.... hopefully the new Q will correct these flaws.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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According to the DOM for this Infiniti dealership there are actually (two) Q45's one will have the 4.5 v8 and the other an even more powerful engine with a stretched chassis.According to him the car has been codenamed the N.E. for no excuses.
BTW Tire and suspension noise are the biggest complaints in our service department for both the I30 and Q45.Not as much on the 17 inch wheels as you'd expect though.
The q45 Anniversery edition has been well recieved here in Nashville.

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http://busybeetoys.com/SCOOP/11-q45.jpg

This is from http://busybeetoys.com/SCOOP/SCOOP-mainpage.htm

Looks pretty fake to me.

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Hmmm...I haven't heard that there are going to be two Qs. That sounds cool especially one with more power than the "base" 4.5L.

I have heard about the NE code name though.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NeilDavid:
According to the DOM for this Infiniti dealership there are actually (two) Q45's one will have the 4.5 v8 and the other an even more powerful engine with a stretched chassis.According to him the car has been codenamed the N.E. for no excuses.
BTW Tire and suspension noise are the biggest complaints in our service department for both the I30 and Q45.Not as much on the 17 inch wheels as you'd expect though.
The q45 Anniversery edition has been well recieved here in Nashville.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Fairlady Z says about the Q pic:
Looks pretty fake to me.

some of the pictures from http://busybeetoys.com/SCOOP/SCOOP-mainpage.htm are somewhat accurate. they had a picture of a sports sedan which bared a very close resemblence to the XVL which was released not long ago. so maybe that Q pic might be what the next Q45 looks like. i just hope that the new Z picture busybeetoys has is not what the production model will look like...

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The Busybee photo has been emphatically turned down as what the new Q looks like by the owner here and the District Manager.There has to be someone out there who attended the New York show who will provide a more accurate shot.The busybee shot of the new LS430 was incorrect too.

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the busybee shot of the LExus LS430 was not all that far off except for the rolls-roycelike curve of the rear fender. this is the URL: http://busybeetoys.com/SCOOP/scoop-99-11-27.htm

they got the front end down pretty close along with the basic body shape. it looks to me like busybee gets his info from some japanese magazine.

here is the pic of what they predicted the new nissan sports sedan would look like: http://busybeetoys.com/SCOOP/scoop-99-10-08.htm

that turned out to be the XVL (i think they predicted this before the official release). so some of their pictures could be somewhat accurate.

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I doubt that car would be sent to America as as busybee suggests if that picture IS right then I would say shame on Nissan for letting the Cedric and Gloria get too close to the Cima.These are not world class design.I doubt it yes , but I pray that Infiniti is not jeaporidized by those dated awful looking designs and let them pollute Infiniti.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

Did you know the Cedric/Gloria and Cima are the same cars? Yup, the Y33 is the current platform in which they are all based on. Also that picture from busybee is actually a picture of the current Y33 Cima but the front end was digitally doctored to sort of look like the Y34 Cedric/Gloria.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NeilDavid:
I doubt that car would be sent to America as as busybee suggests if that picture IS right then I would say shame on Nissan for letting the Cedric and Gloria get too close to the Cima.These are not world class design.I doubt it yes , but I pray that Infiniti is not jeaporidized by those dated awful looking designs and let them pollute Infiniti.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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nissan did a great job on the new I30 so i'm sure they can put out a striking-looking Q45, especially since its their flagship car.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nsuguy:
nissan did a great job on the new I30 so i'm sure they can put out a striking-looking Q45, especially since its their flagship car.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I also think Nissan will be pull of something special with the new Q45. If the new I30 is any indication of a more bolder and luxury feature oriented future of Infiniti, it's good times ahead.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by '97 S14 SE Turbo:
Did you know the Cedric/Gloria and Cima are the same cars? Yup, the Y33 is the current platform in which they are all based on. Also that picture from busybee is actually a picture of the current Y33 Cima but the front end was digitally doctored to sort of look like the Y34 Cedric/Gloria.

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they're built on the same platform, but theyre not the same cars. kinda like max/i30, camry/es, and accord/tl. the interiors and exteriors are pretty different and i believe that the cedric and gloria only use vq 6 cylinders, while the cima uses the 4.1l v8.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

The shared platform have the same basic wheel base and such. The Max is just a restyled Cefiro/I30 for the US market. The Camry and the ES are actually not the same platform. The same goes for the Accord vs TL. The Cedric/Gloria/Leopard/Cima chassis code is all Y33 based, the Toyota and Honda cars don't share the same platform.

Also, the Cima is available with the VQ30DET or the VH41DE. The Cedric/Gloria was only given the VQ30DET or VQ30DE to keep it down market of the Cima.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GTR:

they're built on the same platform, but theyre not the same cars. kinda like max/i30, camry/es, and accord/tl. the interiors and exteriors are pretty different and i believe that the cedric and gloria only use vq 6 cylinders, while the cima uses the 4.1l v8.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by '97 S14 SE Turbo:
The shared platform have the same basic wheel base and such. The Max is just a restyled Cefiro/I30 for the US market. The Camry and the ES are actually not the same platform. The same goes for the Accord vs TL. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am no Honda expert but I've read in various mags that the Camry and ES300 are off ths same platform as well as the Accord and TL. It makes financial sense to have one platform for two different brand models.

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I am no Honda expert but I've read in various mags that the Camry and ES300 are off ths same platform as well as the Accord and TL. It makes financial sense to have one platform for two different brand models.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have read articles that have said the same thing too. I also read an article that says the RX300 is built off a stretched camry platform.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2HD:
I have read articles that have said the same thing too. I also read an article that says the RX300 is built off a stretched camry platform.

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The RX300 is built upon the RAV4 Chassis that vehicle is a cash cow for Lexus

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The RX300 is built upon the RAV4 Chassis that vehicle is a cash cow for Lexus

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I have heard the RX300 is built off a Camry platform too hence its unibody construction and base model front wheel drivetrain. I haven't heard the RX300 being related to the RAV4 though.



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Actually, the RAV4 is build on the old Celica platform, with parts from Corolla and other Toyota models for cost cutting.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

I think you missed my point. The I30/Cefiro/Maxima have a lot more in common than the Accord/TL/Inspire or Camry/ES300/Windom.

Only the I30/Cefiro/Maxima shares windshield, rear glass, firewall, door, etc. I don't see too much shared hardware between the Honda or the Toyota other than the platform

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yak:
I am no Honda expert but I've read in various mags that the Camry and ES300 are off ths same platform as well as the Accord and TL. It makes financial sense to have one platform for two different brand models.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

So, are you saying that we have a bunch of ************** SUVs around? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fairlady Z:
Actually, the RAV4 is build on the old Celica platform, with parts from Corolla and other Toyota models for cost cutting.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by '97 S14 SE Turbo:
So, are you saying that we have a bunch of ************** SUVs around? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/smile.gif

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They call it "parts-bin." :-) Like how on $120k Aston-Martins, they have door handles from $25k Fords.

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************** SUV?

I call it cute ute!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/wink.gif

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I would like to get back to the 2001 Q45 and see more updates on what's going on .What lexus did with the RX300 is old news.What is news is what Nissan and Infiniti does.The reps ,factory people are totally clueless they just need to move metal to Dealers.Also Dealers "Infiniti"are being hurt by the online brokers big time.Sales are way off.

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Back to the original topic:

I would like to see the third generation Q45 go back to where it's roots-a Japanese BMW, rather than the Lexus Wanabe they have right now.

[noelsaw]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NeilDavid:
I would like to get back to the 2001 Q45 and see more updates on what's going on .What lexus did with the RX300 is old news.What is news is what Nissan and Infiniti does.The reps ,factory people are totally clueless they just need to move metal to Dealers.Also Dealers "Infiniti"are being hurt by the online brokers big time.Sales are way off.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My bad...Sorry about that cross talk.

Aren't Infiniti dealers doing well with the I30. Don't the brokers eventually refer people to a local dealer?

Maybe Infiniti through their web site should have a better dealer locator program?

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CarOrder and Greenlight are and will continue to have devastating results.They hurt alot of dealers because most Dealers won't sign with em.The one that does will get the sale if the customer buys.The I30 sells 29,900 car order sell it below dealerinvoice.Their opinion is that Infiniti should lose money because of Nissans financial situation.The customer gets this info goes to the dealer who can't match the price ultimately decides NOT to purchase the Infiniti because it is being firesaled.This issue applies ti the Q because Infiniti will do nothing to stop these guys and it is already damaging Infiniti's image.The Q has got to be percieved as beyond reproach not a gussied up wanna be.

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