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camber
03-09-2006, 08:36 AM
NEW TOYOTA CELICA TO BE HYBRID (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=13143)


NEW TOYOTA CELICA TO BE HYBRID
But it won't arrive before 2008



Toyota CS+S conceptThe Toyota Celica is on its way out -- but then it's coming back in a brand new guise. But don't hold your breath, because it's not likely to appear until 2008.

According to a report in this week's Autocar, the Japanese car giant, which recently overtook GM as the world's biggest carmaker, is developing a mid-engined, 4WD hybrid car with four seats to replace both the MR2 and Celica. Both cars are nearing the end of their lives and will be withdrawn by mid-2006.

It could be called a Celica -- that's yet to be determined -- and it will draw inspiration from the CS+S concept shown in Tokyo in 2003 -- see pic. However, it leaves Toyota without a high-performance motor for the time being.

A radical departure for a sports car, the machine could house a power train similar to that of the Toyota Yaris T-Sport, using a 105bhp petrol engine, as does the Prius hybrid. It'll rev to 7,000rpm though, which, since the engine's a VVT-i, suggests that the power will mostly be found at the top end of the rev range.

Behind the engine will be a continuously variable transmission with artificial steps to make it a more familiar experience. But there'll also be a two electric motors, one for each pair of wheels, that'll kick in during urban excursions, and when extra power is called for. For example, the Prius's motors develop some 400lb-ft of torque, which is not to be sniffed at.

Other packaging firsts include a folding metal roof, the first in a mid-engined car. The delay is down to a shortage of hybrid drive-trains within Toyota, which is struggling to fulfil demand for them as it is.

Sounds like one to watch...

camber
03-09-2006, 09:07 AM
I'm a little skeptical about hybrid sports cars. Hybrid system have a tendency of taking away feeling from the driving expereince.

I think in general manufacturers should be trying other ways to gain efficiency that are not as complicated.

Things such as DI, CVTs, DSG, zeroshift, better aero, lighter materials, turbo's etc...

NissT
03-09-2006, 10:21 AM
Sounds like a hefty package... 2 electric motors... folding metal roof...
I am curious to see how it comes out, but I am also a bit skeptical about this car being even in a "sporty" category. It might have torque, but I am willing to bet that it'll be numb just as RX400h is (comparing to RX330).

I'm all for hybrid cars, so I can't wait to see it.

al503
03-09-2006, 10:23 AM
they also add weight. As we all know, weight is the enemy.

As technology gets better, I can see how a hybrid might offer certain advantages as they control the weight of hybrid technology a little better.
1. they can position the batteries in strategic locations to optimize weight distribution.
2. the regenerative braking can be increased to help with brake fade so they can use lighter/less expensive brake components.
3. although I don't foresee this any time soon, the increased gas mileage could help reduce the number of pitstops at the higher levels.

M_TYPE_X
03-09-2006, 11:03 AM
Lameness, moving you forward.

al503
03-09-2006, 12:18 PM
Lameness, moving you forward.


I gotta give this one the 'Most Useful Post' of March.

Voltron
03-09-2006, 12:51 PM
Yuck. More and more computer cars. Throttle cable? Whats that?
My next car will be an FC.

camber
03-09-2006, 02:24 PM
I admit it would be interesting to see a 4 passenger mid engined production.

However, I can't see this being a hardcore performance vehicle or something that can be turned into a hardcore performance vehicle......

It seemed like Toyota had started to move in the right direction with a car like the IS350 but I don't know what exactly to make of this rumour. It doesn't exactly sets enthusiasts minds on fire with ideas of wringing out a compact Toyota.

Reminds me of a Prius sport model http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

It's nice to hear that Toyota is possibly working on something smaller and possibly cheaper then the Supra or LFS.