Versa to come in 2nd in C&D comparo.

[passive]

Mentioned at:
http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.jspa?forumID=31&threadID=29982&tstart=0



The rankings were:
1) Honda Fit
2) Nissan Versa
3) Kia Rio5
4) Toyota Yaris
5) Hyundai Accent
6) Dodge Caliber
7) Suzuki Reno




Apparently the Versa got the highest mileage in the group, at 36mpg. The Fit won based on driving experience, but I think this is a very good showing for the Versa. Beating out Toyota and Honda for fuel economy is quite impressive.

It would have been nice to win this one hands down, but it was pretty clear from the get-go that Nissan designed the Versa for the masses, not the enthusiasts.

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

Mentioned at:
http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.jspa?forumID=31&threadID=29982&tstart=0



The rankings were:
1) Honda Fit
2) Nissan Versa
3) Kia Rio5
4) Toyota Yaris
5) Hyundai Accent
6) Dodge Caliber
7) Suzuki Reno




Apparently the Versa got the highest mileage in the group, at 36mpg. The Fit won based on driving experience, but I think this is a very good showing for the Versa. Beating out Toyota and Honda for fuel economy is quite impressive.

It would have been nice to win this one hands down, but it was pretty clear from the get-go that Nissan designed the Versa for the masses, not the enthusiasts.


wow, not bad at all! I havent read the article yet, but I'm somewhat surprised it finished above the Yaris. Rio isnt too bad either.... and I feel anyone with common sense wuold NOT buy the Dodge.

[cardriver]

is anyone surprised that a honda came up on top in a C&D comparo?

[CoCo_PuFf]

is anyone surprised that a honda came up on top in a C&D comparo?



hell no. it's become expected now. IMHO i'm willing to bet that when this comparo is done by another magazine the placements will be different.

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

is anyone surprised that a honda came up on top in a C&D comparo?


well, Honda's arent always ranked #1 in their comparo's.... but in the last year or so it does seem that way though.... such as a RSX winning over a WRX, SRT-4.

[CoCo_PuFf]

is anyone surprised that a honda came up on top in a C&D comparo?


well, Honda's arent always ranked #1 in their comparo's.... but in the last year or so it does seem that way though.... such as a RSX winning over a WRX, SRT-4.




exactly, they always seem to find some way to make the honda win......in this comparo it apparently handles like a go-kart http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif

[CX35]

in a none bias magazine the Versa probably would've came first. come one, a 4 year old design beating out all these fresh designs..

still i will check the article out.

[Jawad]

in a none bias magazine the Versa probably would've came first. come one, a 4 year old design beating out all these fresh designs..

still i will check the article out.



Versa has been out in Japan for a couple of years now in the form of Nissan Tiida.

[CoCo_PuFf]

in a none bias magazine the Versa probably would've came first. come one, a 4 year old design beating out all these fresh designs..

still i will check the article out.



Versa has been out in Japan for a couple of years now in the form of Nissan Tiida.



hasn't it only been about a year to a year and a half?.....the fit has been out since 2002 i think

[Jawad]

Mentioned at:
http://forums.autoweek.com/thread.jspa?forumID=31&threadID=29982&tstart=0



The rankings were:
1) Honda Fit
2) Nissan Versa
3) Kia Rio5
4) Toyota Yaris
5) Hyundai Accent
6) Dodge Caliber
7) Suzuki Reno




Apparently the Versa got the highest mileage in the group, at 36mpg.



Versa got 28mpg. Highest were Yaris and Fit.

Yaris: 36
Fit: 35
Rio/Accent: 30
Versa: 28
Reno: 28
Caliber: 28

[Jawad]

in a none bias magazine the Versa probably would've came first. come one, a 4 year old design beating out all these fresh designs..

still i will check the article out.



Versa has been out in Japan for a couple of years now in the form of Nissan Tiida.



hasn't it only been about a year to a year and a half?.....the fit has been out since 2002 i think



Not sure, but I am sure that Fit is older then Versa.

[Jawad]

Performance and Fuel Economy Numbers.

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Brake, Slalom and other numbers

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[camber]

Versa got 28mpg. Highest were Yaris and Fit.




Hmmmmm... interesting I expected the 6 sped manual to get worst mileage then the CVT numbers that Nissan has been quoting but not that far off.

Don't really trust C&D numbers for the past few years when it comes to any comparo with a Honda in it. We probably won't get the best numbers for the Versa until we see the CVT tested...

[camber]

Performance and Fuel Economy Numbers.

http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd29ce.gif

Brake, Slalom and other numbers

http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd13zt.gif



THe Fit and Yaris were both sport models. While the Versa was a SL. I wounder what KIA did to pull off those braking numbers....

Yaris numbers are impressive because they ran on Bridgestone RE92's. They probably could have got better number with pine blocks as wheels http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

thanks for posting that data. I'm surprised the Versa is THAT slow to accelerate. I'm sure the Yaris and Fit weigh less.... but I was hoping the Versa would atleast top those 2.

[MtViewGuy88]

One thing though: I'd like to see Car and Driver redo the test with the CVT automatic version of the Versa and the five-speed automatic version of the Fit, given that these will be the preferable models for many drivers.

[CX35]

in a none bias magazine the Versa probably would've came first. come one, a 4 year old design beating out all these fresh designs..

still i will check the article out.



Versa has been out in Japan for a couple of years now in the form of Nissan Tiida.



hasn't it only been about a year to a year and a half?.....the fit has been out since 2002 i think



yeah your right the Fit came out a MY2002 and is almost 5 years old while the Versa/TIIDA was released in late 2004 as a 2005 and the MR18DE wasn't released til last summer. So the Fit is 3 years older.

[brianmita]

yeah, the versa's showing among automatic models would be better, though I'm not entirely arguing with their decision to compare the manuals, since it is an econobox comparo.

and duh! a six speed will lose out to a 5 spd in combined mpg as you're making more shifts to get to the same speed. more shifts = more acceleration = less mileage. the trade off is fun here.

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

yeah, the versa's showing among automatic models would be better, though I'm not entirely arguing with their decision to compare the manuals, since it is an econobox comparo.

and duh! a six speed will lose out to a 5 spd in combined mpg as you're making more shifts to get to the same speed. more shifts = more acceleration = less mileage. the trade off is fun here.



I can see how 6 speed loses out in combined MPG in expense of being in the right RPM on shifts but unfortunately, the acceleration #'s dont show that.

[brianmita]

C&D's also known for not bringing great drivers for their acceleration tests. I know the Spec-v was rountinely getting .5 seconds better than the C&D tests, simply because the owners knew what they were doing.

plus the versa is heavier right?

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

yes, Versa is bigger than both Fit and Yaris and heavier... I think around 2500 lbs. I can understand a slower 0-60 time perhaps needing an upshift right before hitting 60... but it's still fairly close so driving feel may not be too off.

[Madmaster]

Gotta love how everyone complains when Hondas get quicker 0-60s.

But the fit seems to do the lane change pretty damn fast. Little dissapointed in the Versa's fuel economy and performance, but hopefully the CVT will answer that.

[cardriver]

hondas got good gear ratios i think.

[ZYAL8R808]

is anyone surprised that a honda came up on top in a C&D comparo?



http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/iagree.gif Car&Driver editors are a bunch of Honda whores!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/boxing_smiley.gif

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

Gotta love how everyone complains when Hondas get quicker 0-60s.



haha.... http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gifmaybe if they didnt rank the Versa at that BHP, that would help ease the mind...

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

ok, just got my issue of C&D.... something has got to be wrong. The Suzuki Reno weighs more than the Versa, ranked at 2 BHP and 2 lb/ft higher and posted the fastest 0-60 time. The other cars in the comparo had wider tires though.... Now, I know this sounds stupid, but 0-100 the Versa is 2nd fastest http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif haha

[chillinmofo1]

Overall good for Versa, but Nissan has just as good R&D and engineering as Honda/Toyota, there is no reason the fuel economy for the Versa should be that low. For some people that can be enough to not buy the car, but hopefully that won't be the consumer that the Versa is trying to attract.

[Jawad]

Overall good for Versa, but Nissan has just as good R&D and engineering as Honda/Toyota, there is no reason the fuel economy for the Versa should be that low. For some people that can be enough to not buy the car, but hopefully that won't be the consumer that the Versa is trying to attract.



One thing to keep in mind is that Car and Driver flogs the cars they test, thus the low number. Even though its low compared to the Fit and the Yaris, it should still return good mileage when driven day to day.

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

I agree, C&D drive the cars harder than the average user. Of the 3 cars my family has owned in the last few years, we always get higher mileage than what C&D manage to get. I remember reading somewhere that MT versions should expect about 6% decline in MPG compared to CVT.

[wperdigon]

is anyone surprised that a honda came up on top in a C&D comparo?



hell no. it's become expected now. IMHO i'm willing to bet that when this comparo is done by another magazine the placements will be different.




lol - i agree - just who ever gives enough wins - lol

[M_TYPE_X]

hondas got good everything ratios i think.



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[wperdigon]

agreed

[hokman]

It's funniest when they placed the duck-arse accord with truck-like level of grip and understeer at second place beating out the 2.3 turbo 278hp 4wd Mazdaspeed 6 (which placed 5th). This was in the feb 2006 issue.

Although the mr18de is weak, I think it's quite smooth because it got 74 db at full throttle lowest in the group.

[CuRiOuSfIsH]

low db is nice and refined... probably put good amount of sound deadening.... which may contribute to the 27XXK lbs of the Versa in thd C&D test.

[camber]

I think brianmita posted a Autoweek mini review and they were getting 30 ish mpg with mostly city driving. Kind makes you wonder how C&D was driving the car.

Oh well... I guess it could have been a preporduction model

[brianmita]

they were testing the rev limiter...a LOT. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

C&D mashes on cars. it is nice to see autoweeks more tame testing. now the CVT!

[wperdigon]

they were testing the rev limiter...a LOT. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

C&D mashes on cars. it is nice to see autoweeks more tame testing. now the CVT!




lol - i would like to be around when all this testing takes place

[brianmita]

Car and Driver posted the article to the website. (http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10925/comparison-test-review-2007-dodge-caliber-se-vs-2007-honda-fit-sport-vs-2006-hyundai-accent-gls-vs-2006-kia-rio5-sx-vs-2007-nissan-versa-18sl-vs-2006-suzuki-reno-vs-2007-toyota-yaris-s.html)

even though it got 2nd, Car and Driver likes the versa enough to recommend it for a grocery getter/daily commuter.


2007 Nissan Versa 1.8SL
Second Place, $15,000 Cheap Skates
(continued)
May 2006
Nissan Versa 1.8SL


Highs: Superb ride-and-handling trade-off, a back seat for three adults, commanding view ahead.

Lows: Throttle overrun, narrow front seats, awkward recline levers.

The Verdict: If you’re chiefly interested in commuting and errand hopping, this is the one.
The Versa is known as the Tiida elsewhere in the world and arrives in the U.S. first as a hatchback, assembled in the same Mexican plant that builds our Sentra. A Versa sedan follows later this year. [This is true — Ed.] It’s intended for gamblers and prostitutes and will be called the Vice Versa. [This is not — Ed.]

On the road, what you notice first about the Versa is that it feels large, “like a real car,” noted one driver. It’s as tall as the Dodge, in fact, with a commanding view forward. Its shifter proved as accurate as the Toyota’s, but not the Honda’s. The light steering was informative, and the wheel was fat and soft. And it was the lone contestant here to offer six gears, making the most of the power band.

Our complaints were few. The front footwells were narrow, and the front seats were flat, with short cushions. The door panels so intruded on the sides of the seats that the recline levers had to be inconveniently placed under the center armrest. The all-black center stack could use whiter, more legible markings. And someone needs to fiddle with the throttle calibration so the engine doesn’t hang onto revs so long.

Nonetheless, at least two of us judged the Versa the best all-around value here. It can’t match the Honda’s overt sportiness, but its ride-and-handling trade-off may be just the ticket for buyers mainly interested in commuting and errand hopping. Moreover, the Versa won our back-seat test, with perfect scores for two or three riders. It proved an exemplar of packaging efficiency — with the rear seats folded, it tied with the Rio5 for greatest cargo capacity. And it came standard with a buffet of amenities. That makes it, uh, Versa-tile.