Honda Civic Si Sedan vs. ?

[wetwily555]

I'm working on getting a honda civic si sedan, what are some pro's and con's about this car? would it be better off to go with the coupe?

if this car were to go up against a automatic trans, 325i bmw sedan, who would win?

['87 Sentra]

Other possibilities to consider:
VW GTI,
Mazdaspeed3,
Subaru Inpreza WRX,
Sentra SE-R Spec-V (When it comes out)

The bimmer might beat the Civic without much effort while pampering you at the same time. Consider the GTI for the more upscale feel of speed and the sweet DSG. Consider the Mazdaspeed3 for raw power.

The Civic Si however might give you the most "racing" like sensation of them all because of its 80000 RPM redline, so test drive them all and choose that way.

[crashdt]

You should consider what the car will be used for. Track, grocery getter or daily driver. If its just you and the track then go with the coupe. But if you have a family go with the sedan. The sedan could be cool though. Put a turbo on it and leave the body stock it would be a great sleeper.

[07G35S]

You should also consider asking people on the honda forum... I'm sure they know a lot about hondas :D

[WhereHaveYouBeen]

The car you drive will say a lot about you.

The Bimmer, of course, depends on what year you get. As of current, the only acceptable E46 you can buy is the M3. Otherwise plan on getting a new E90. The E92 is more, but the coupe is cooler.

Civic will say that you want something with decent around-town power, but will also say that you're too cheap to pay for something better.

GTI = homosexual.

Subaru says you like a decently quick car that handles very well and don't mind paying a little extra for it, and don't care how ugly it is.

Mazdaspeed 3 is fairly unassuming. That's just like your typical Audi buyer. People buy audi's because they like luxury, but don't care too much for the flash.

Sentra SE-R Spec V tells people you're a hippie, but a hippie with gasoline running through your veins, birkenstock sandals, and bleeding heart.

[UofMG35]

GTI = homosexual.

You do realize you have Ed Norton topless as your avatar...

[WhereHaveYouBeen]

how the hell did I post two messages, and yet it said I edited the first one.

Yes, prior to this actual editing.

[WhereHaveYouBeen]

Edward Norton in full-out nazi badass glory.

I just got that! There's a smiley tatoo in place of the swaztika tatoo he has in the movie! And in my signature it says: "You see this? It means have a nice day." But in the movie he says: "You see this? It means Not Welcome." So what I did was take what happened in the movie, and I twisted it around and exploited it purely for it's subtle comedic value coninciding with my characteristically dry sense of humor. I get it now!




I was just going to say...8 o'clock? You're a legitimate phenomenon!

[SHIFT_6speeds]

who would win? LOL

[Doluck]

I would go for te civic, just for the resale, had a bmw and after a ahile they just dont bring in money anymore, I bought my civic for 10k cash drove it a year doing sales. I put almost 50k miles on it and then solet it for 12k to carmax... hondas just hold value... I still have a damn benz I want to sell..... wish it held its value!

[90M30DRV]

The Si is grossly overpriced right now. Dealers treat this car like it's a Ferrari or something, and because of that, you will not get into one with tax + title for under 24K, and you'll probably pay close to 25K, or more with accessories. For that money, you have much better options, new and used. The first new car that comes to mind is the Mazdaspeed3, and the first used car that comes to mind is the RX-8. I think the Z would be a better buy, but I assume you are looking for something with a backseat, so that's a no-go.

I have a lot of seat time in all of the new Civics, and I can say definitively that the Si's both pretty much feel and drive like the standard versions of the car. The only exception is with the Hybrid, which is one of the most annoying cars to drive, ever. The Si's are a little faster, little more stiff, a little more cool. The multiple gauge clusters are annoying, and no adjustments in the seats or your posture make the upper cluster not distracting when you are driving, for me anyway. The lack of a toyish plastic gear knob in the Si's make for a much improved feel and sound in the shift action over the standard cars, but I would still prefer something more "snicky". Clutch feel is much better on the Si than say, the Accord, which is horrid.

Not much difference between the coupe and the sedan. The sedan is probably a smarter buy because you get the same performance, but with more room. And with either, you get Honda reliability, and Honda re-sale, so those are positives. They are nice looking cars....that's about it. Much better buys out there for the money, in my opinion.

[07G35S]

If you're worried about resale value, I'd also avoid the RX-8. I understand it depreciates quite a bit more than the bimmer AND the civic.

[NissT]

The Si is grossly overpriced right now. Dealers treat this car like it's a Ferrari or something, and because of that, you will not get into one with tax + title for under 24K, and you'll probably pay close to 25K, or more with accessories. For that money, you have much better options, new and used. The first new car that comes to mind is the Mazdaspeed3, and the first used car that comes to mind is the RX-8. I think the Z would be a better buy, but I assume you are looking for something with a backseat, so that's a no-go.

I have a lot of seat time in all of the new Civics, and I can say definitively that the Si's both pretty much feel and drive like the standard versions of the car. The only exception is with the Hybrid, which is one of the most annoying cars to drive, ever. The Si's are a little faster, little more stiff, a little more cool. The multiple gauge clusters are annoying, and no adjustments in the seats or your posture make the upper cluster not distracting when you are driving, for me anyway. The lack of a toyish plastic gear knob in the Si's make for a much improved feel and sound in the shift action over the standard cars, but I would still prefer something more "snicky". Clutch feel is much better on the Si than say, the Accord, which is horrid.

Not much difference between the coupe and the sedan. The sedan is probably a smarter buy because you get the same performance, but with more room. And with either, you get Honda reliability, and Honda re-sale, so those are positives. They are nice looking cars....that's about it. Much better buys out there for the money, in my opinion.

Not sure what you mean by "a lot of seat time", but one of my cars is '07 Si coupe that I purchased just 2 months ago and it's not even close to my parent's '06 LX. As you can imagine, I drive there cars on regular basis and can comment on the differences. Si has an RSX engine with minor improvements, LSD/6-speed tranny, greatly improved suspension components and 17" summer tyres.
I'm not gonna go into details, but you probably did not drive them "with spirit" or compared something else...... because Si is very different from a regular Civic which is tuned for economy/comfort (140HP, softer suspension, crappy tyres, etc).
And I got my Si for $20,900 + taxes.
P.S. multiple gauge clusters is just like any other cluster after few days of driving.

Edit: and trust me, I considered many options. Mainly a used car for the same/lower price. Since I was looking for a mint condition/fun/reliable/high resale commuter car, IMO there were no other options.

[90M30DRV]

Not sure what you mean by "a lot of seat time", but one of my cars is '07 Si coupe that I purchased just 2 months ago and it's not even close to my parent's '06 LX. As you can imagine, I drive there cars on regular basis and can comment on the differences. Si has an RSX engine with minor improvements, LSD/6-speed tranny, greatly improved suspension components and 17" summer tyres. I'm not gonna go into details, but you probably did not drive them "with spirit" or compared something else...... because Si is very different from a regular Civic which is tuned for economy/comfort (140HP, softer suspension, crappy tyres, etc).

As I said, the Si is a bit quicker, a bit firmer in the ride department, and of course the better/wider tires provide for better grip. I conceded that much. However, in my opinion, driving the Si isn't a considerably sporty experience, and in this way it doesn't differ much from the standard cars. I base that opinion on the fact that I don't think that the Si is quite as hopped up over the standard car as much as say, the SVT Focus is over the standard Focus, or the last gen Spec V Sentra was over the base model Sentra.

And I got my Si for $20,900 + taxes.

Then you got a very very rare deal. That is like $700 less than the MSRP. Most dealers are marking this car up a couple grand atleast. I know a guy who is a salesman at Honda, and he just bought a 2DR Si last month, and purchased the car for well over 24K, with no accessories.

I considered many options. Mainly a used car for the same/lower price. Since I was looking for a mint condition/fun/reliable/high resale commuter car, IMO there were no other options.

If you bought the car for 21K, then my criticism doesn't apply in your case. I personally have never seen or heard of a new Si going out the door for that low, and the opinion I stated above is based entirely on the prices that I have seen them selling for. For 24-26K, it's a rip-off. For 21K? A lot more reasonable.

[NissT]

I shopped 4 dealers and they all are ready to give them away at MSRP. Now that it is winter, you can talk them into dropping a few $$$. And I paid $21K just for the car with no options, but summer tires (which was free for me). Out the door is more since you pay taxes, fees (but you do that when you buy any car, so I am just talking about the car price). I doubt that there are people who pay $25K now, if there are, they are dumb.
I am still not sure how can you say that Si is a “bit” sportier than a regular Civic, especially when you say that SVT Focus and Spec-V are more different from their base models.

EX Si
140hp 200hp, redline 8K RPM
5-speed short throw 6-speed/LSD
soft suspension sporty suspension
15” 17”
regular seats Recaro-like sports buckets that hug you
0-60 ~9 sec 0-60 ~6.7 sec (a “bit” faster?)

I don’t understand what’s so special about differences between SVT and regular Focus and Spec-v and regular Sentra. I didn’t even talk about unique design elements, but that doesn’t change performance.
Anyways, I am glad with my purchase.

[WhereHaveYouBeen]

I know a guy who is a salesman at Honda, and he just bought a 2DR Si last month, and purchased the car for well over 24K, with no accessories.
That's bovine excrement. Salesman usually get the cars for $200 to $500 over invoice. If it's invoice is indeed closer to $20K then this guy you know must wear a helmet when he travels outdoors because he is a retard of the highest caliber.

[07G35S]

Car salesmen screwing other car salesmen. Thats funny.

[supergoji]

why dont you just look for an integra type R?
5 less hp but 400lbs lighter
it's the best handeling fwd car ever produced
and it responds great to mods, and it screams to 9000k not 8!
i was gonna get one, but then i found a Z32...

[90M30DRV]

I shopped 4 dealers and they all are ready to give them away at MSRP.

Well, that is unheard of around here. What state do you live in?

I am still not sure how can you say that Si is a “bit” sportier than a regular Civic, especially when you say that SVT Focus and Spec-V are more different from their base models.

Because I don't believe that Honda went as far as Ford, and to a lesser extent Nissan, to upgrade their base models into cars that offer a distinctly different driving experience. The driving experience is night and day when comparing the SVT and Spec V to their base models, and I personally don't feel that this is the case with the Si and it's base model.

140hp 200hp, redline 8K RPM

Actually, the hp in the Si is 190, not 200.

5-speed short throw 6-speed

Basically meaningless in this case. The Focus RS offers a 5 speed vs the SVT's 6 speed Getrag, yet the RS is much faster/sportier/better car.

LSD

Yes, this is definitely a major improvement.

soft suspension sporty suspension

The standard Civic by no means rides like an old Cadillac. And the Si by no means rides like a racecar. The difference is negligable in my opinion. Maybe I need to drive them on a track back to back to really know, I don't know. If you say that ride is dramatically different, I'll take your word for it. I personally haven't experienced anything that would lead me to that conclusion, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you own both cars.

15” 17” regular seats Recaro-like sports buckets that hug you

These are more cosmetic improvements than anything else.

0-60 ~9 sec 0-60 ~6.7 sec (a “bit” faster?)

The Civic LX is faster than 9 sec when equipped with a manual transmission. About a second quicker actually. So the Si is a little more than a second faster to 60. I guess the ballpark number would be something like 1.3 seconds. It's definitely noticable, but by no means is it dramatic. As I said, a "bit".

I am glad with my purchase.

Good for you. Don't be so defensive. I'm not knocking you for buying the car for 21K.

[90M30DRV]

That's bovine excrement. Salesman usually get the cars for $200 to $500 over invoice.

Not on "hot" items.

If it's invoice is indeed closer to $20K then this guy you know must wear a helmet when he travels outdoors because he is a retard of the highest caliber.

I agree. He believes the car is the second-coming. He is totally oblivious. This is probably why he had no problem spending that much for.

[NissT]

Well, that is unheard of around here. What state do you live in?

Actually, the hp in the Si is 190, not 200.

Good for you. Don't be so defensive. I'm not knocking you for buying the car for 21K.

I'm in MA, Boston. Seriously, everywhere I looked, you can get it for MSRP or less.
Si has 197hp to be fair ;) and I am not being defensive, just having a conversation.
I also considered Mazda 3 MazdaSpeed but didn't want to go with FI.
By the way, I think you may feel that Si is not far above base models because base models are on sporty side to begin with.
I still don't know how long I'll keep it... I am loving it at this point, but I also want to get a dedicated summer car - thinking maybe E46 M3 or S2K or maybe something that didn't come out yet.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

Hey NissT, what kind of MPG are you getting in your Si?

I test drove the Ex and Si Sedans and Coupe for compariosns this weekend. The Si feels like another car altogether. Excellent handling and driving. I was VERY impressed with it compared to the EX.

the epa mpg diffeence between the two is very different as well. And I was wondering what real world mpg actually Si owners are seeing. And how is insurance on these little beasts? I've been told insurance on Si is VERY high.

Thanks for any info and congrats on a great purchase decision!

[NissT]

I can easily achieve 330 miles on about 11.5-12 gallons. I do about 70% highway driving on average at about 75mph. I also take it past 6.5K RPM at least once in two days... otherwise I shift somewhere around 3.5K RPM.
It definitely wasn't tuned for economy, but it's not that bad, I knew what I was buying.

Regarding the insurance, it all depends. I have commercial insurance ($300 deductible) and it's a flat rate no matter how many points you have. I am paying $130 per month. It would be cheaper if I had a regular insurance, but I have too many points because of speeding tickets back when I was young and stupid :) From what I read, people are not paying that much more than the cars they had before. Unless you are under 20 years old and have a lot of tickets, you should be all right.

[90M30DRV]

I'm in MA, Boston. Seriously, everywhere I looked, you can get it for MSRP or less.

Well, today, I talked to the Honda salesman I mentioned earlier in this thread, and I asked him about this again. I told him I'm talking with "a guy" who tells me that Si's can be had for MSRP all over the place. He laughed. I asked him what the typical mark-up is on the new Si's, and he told me anywhere from 2-4 grand. He purchased his Si for 25K, but that included the extended warranty. So, I asked him what one could generally expect to pay for a new Si with no accessories, and without the extended warranty, and he told me 23-24K including tax and title. So, you either got a hell of deal (generally speaking), or the dealers in the north east just aren't marking these cars up like the dealers in the midwest are. Regardless, the 24-25k Civic Si is not an imaginary thing. They are being sold for these prices in some places.

and I am not being defensive, just having a conversation.

Well, it kinda seemed like you were offended by the conversation for some reason.

By the way, I think you may feel that Si is not far above base models because base models are on sporty side to begin with.

That could very well be the case. But across the board, it is what it is, and isn't.

I still don't know how long I'll keep it... I am loving it at this point, but I also want to get a dedicated summer car - thinking maybe E46 M3 or S2K or maybe something that didn't come out yet.

Now, the S2000 is a Honda I can appreciate. I drove one in late fall last year, top down, fairly warm, highway...yea...it's cool. I don't think you could ever use it as a daily driver, or on long trips, but for a weekend car it would be excellent.

[NissT]

Either he's trying to hype up the car or he has all the numbers confused.

First, here are examples of prices the dealers are selling at:
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message%5fid=658262
http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message%5fid=653754
I don't want to waste time looking for more examples... there are threads where people say how much they paid all over the country and it's always MSRP or below... the hype is long gone.

Second, if you take MSRP of $21K + a markup of $2-4K, then it's a $26K+ Civic after taxes and fees, not he told me 23-24K including tax and title.

And again, I wouldn't compare the price that include taxes and fees. You pay it when you buy any car.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

I shopped Si's at 3 OKC dealers, none had markups. Each dealer had at least one seadan and 2-3 coupe Si's on the lot.

I am actually thinking of the Sedan Si with nav....but which color??? :)

(the Black or Fiji Blue are what I am leaning towards)

[90M30DRV]

Look, it's pointless to continue debating this. In the end, demand dictates cost, and around here people are paying much more than sticker for new Si's. In fact, taking a casual glance at the site you linked to, I saw two threads relating to markups on this car. One mentioned $1500 specifically. Yet, you are telling me that a $2000 markup is fantasy? If there are dealers marking the car up $1500, it's easy to fathom other dealers in different markets tacking on another $500. It does happen.

Secondly, you can't point to one or two dealers who use TOV as a sales medium to speak for all Honda dealerships in America. That's just silly.

I'd be very interested to hear what people are paying for them in southern California. I highly doubt they are going for sticker or less there.

[M_TYPE_X]

It doesn't make sense, why does Toyota offer PRIUS with lease or loan incentives in Michigan/Ohio/Kentuckytuckytucky, when Honda and Toyota can sell all their smug-certified product in Southern California at or near sticker price?

[07G35S]

I'm guessing the demand is higher in SoCal, where the gas prices are usually higher than they are elsewhere.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

[M_TYPE_X]

I'm guessing the demand is higher in SoCal, where the gas prices are usually higher than they are elsewhere.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

I don't believe any significant relationship exists between gas prices and PRIUS sales. It's entirely an image/cultural phenomenon. If you are poor and affected by gas prices, you're gonna roll in a Civic DX.

[07G35S]

^ touché

[90M30DRV]

It doesn't make sense, why does Toyota offer PRIUS with lease or loan incentives in Michigan/Ohio/Kentuckytuckytucky, when Honda and Toyota can sell all their smug-certified product in Southern California at or near sticker price?

Well, that was my point, I think. Different regions have different attitudes/cultural ideas, climate and geography, and therefore different vehicular wants/needs. Popularity (or lack thereof) obviously directly effects pricing.

[WhereHaveYouBeen]

Michigan and Ohio are just plain fudged. There's no work...oh my God I just had a flashback of Mole's State of the State address. She's such a dumb twat.

Anyhoo, there's no jobs and sales are slow, and when sales are slow the Big 2 + 1 incentivize the heck out of their vehicles.

It's a combination of poor economic situation and keeping up with the competition. That's why there are incentives on them here.

[M_TYPE_X]

Well, that was my point, I think. Different regions have different attitudes/cultural ideas, climate and geography, and therefore different vehicular wants/needs. Popularity (or lack thereof) obviously directly effects pricing.

No, it wasn't your point. This is a NO SCAM zone.

[M_TYPE_X]

It's a combination of poor economic situation and keeping up with the competition. That's why there are incentives on them here.

Or, maybe Toyota is totally lost for bringing those cars to the eastern midwest region.

PRIUS sells wild in Illinois.

[90M30DRV]

No, it wasn't your point.

Uh, yea, actually it was.

[UofMG35]

I just had a flashback of Mole's State of the State address. She's such a dumb twat.

Mole... :D

[WhereHaveYouBeen]

Uh, yea, actually it was.

You listen when he speaks. He's not asking you, he's telling you.

/MTX's_Muscle


I don't see much of the Prii anymore. Our smug levels have also dramatically decreased.



I wanna buy a GTO. I wonder what they're going for now that they're discontinued. No, I'm not going to buy a discontinued model when the new CTS-V will be out in two years along with some other cars worth waiting. I'm moving to bloomfield hills so my future children can go to good schools (Cranbrook, WBHS, etc.)

[SHIFT_6speeds]

Bought a 2007 Civic Si sedan last Wednesday. Lovin' the damn car!

[M_TYPE_X]

Bought a 2007 Civic Si sedan last Wednesday. Lovin' the damn car!
I prefer the coupe ... like, totally, for sure!

[SHIFT_6speeds]

I prefer the coupe ... like, totally, for sure!

Thanks! I agree, the coupe may look a bit better, but the small increase in the wheel base of the Sedan actually makes it handle a bit better and the car is so much more usuable. And I love the stealthy effect the Sedan has especially in black (which i got).

Nighthawk Black Pearl, Navigation with Z rated Michelin Exalto summer tires.

The car is awesome for the price!

[M_TYPE_X]

Honda generally makes good-looking sedans, at least ones that won't look faddish years on. Toyota sedan designs age poorly.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o39/molloydan/pic3.jpg

This is exactly like mine except for mine does not have the front plate holder being it is not required in the state of Oklahoma.

[07G35S]

Sorry, but I'm feeling nothing masculine about this car. The Si that was out in around 1999-2000 that car I liked, however.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

Sorry, but I'm feeling nothing masculine about this car.


I'm sorry for you that you have to look at things that way. :gossip:

[WhereHaveYouBeen]

Sorry, but I'm feeling nothing masculine about this car. The Si that was out in around 1999-2000 that car I liked, however.
Well some people are fagots, and some are normal.

[joeB]

I would probably rather have the Sentra SER Spec V when
it comes out. Thats a nice Civic though.:)

[NissT]

I'm sorry for you that you have to look at things that way. :gossip:

Hey, congratulations!
Chief Engineer at my work just got the exact same car. Nice color choice.
I got galaxy grey because I'm too lazy to wash it every other day :)

[SHIFT_6speeds]

Thanks NissT.

...Oh and back in this thread there was discussion of how these cars are marked up. Well...Mine was just $500 over invoice. No mark up at all, quite the opposite really, this is a good time of year to buy.

[M_TYPE_X]

Honda is depending too much on the Civic and Accord again. When they announced an Si SEDAN, I was like WTF.

[NissT]

Nice deal!
I wanted to suggest something if you haven't already done it.
Before I made my purchase I read a lot of forums and there were some complaints about the paint chipping on the hood.
To be safe, I got 3M clear bra and after 6K miles driving on the winter highways I don't have even a slightest sign of any chips. I think it's a good "investment".
Other than that, it's perfect.

P.S. Some also suggest to replace tranny fluid with Asmoil because Honda overfills tranny with oil at the factory and the oil is not that good for silky smooth shifting.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

Nice deal!
I wanted to suggest something if you haven't already done it.
Before I made my purchase I read a lot of forums and there were some complaints about the paint chipping on the hood.
To be safe, I got 3M clear bra and after 6K miles driving on the winter highways I don't have even a slightest sign of any chips. I think it's a good "investment".
Other than that, it's perfect.

P.S. Some also suggest to replace tranny fluid with Asmoil because Honda overfills tranny with oil at the factory and the oil is not that good for silky smooth shifting.

Paint chips on the hood? Wow, another thing in common with my Nissans. LOL

Thanks for the suggestion. What does the clear bra set you back $? I always wonder if they will yellow with age.

I have been told the Amsoil will void warranty if you ever did need warranty work on the tranny and it's discovered. So, far she shifts like a dream even in cold. But I have heard a few complaints about the 2nd-3rd shift. So far, so good here.

[NissT]

I got it installed at dealer for $600 or so... I don't remember exactly. I know it may sound like a lot of money, but if you consider that your front end will remain as new for years to come, it's not a bad idea. For me it's also a peace of mind because paint chips would drive me nuts. Regarding turning yellow, I think it may be somewhat visible on a white car, but on any other color you will never tell. My friend has clear bra on her white RAV-4 and it's a bit yellowish, but she had it for over 5 years.

And if your tranny shifts great, don't worry about it. I didn't mention that Honda apparently is using a newer oil for manual trannies and it has the same result as Amsoil. So maybe your car was filled with this new oil.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

Thanks again NissT. You say yours is Galaxy Gray? Have any pics of yours you can post? I would love to see that color on this car. I only seriously thought of Fiji Blue or Black. The blue was nowhere to be found with the navi like I wanted, The closest one to me in blue was San Antonio Tx and the dealer wouldn't do a dealer trade. The black was only 90 miles away.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

I would probably rather have the Sentra SER Spec V when
it comes out. Thats a nice Civic though.:)

Thanks Joe!

I just can't warm up to the frigidaire styling of the new Sentra. Not fond of the interior at all either. I think my other beef is the Renault influence that seems so apparent to me in the new Sentra. But I am still looking forward to the new SE-R to come out and whoop some booty, I do hope it comes out to be a winner for Nissan, they need it.

[joeB]

No problem, I really like the pic of that Civic, it looks nice. I drove a new
Civic EX coupe last year. I liked it, I thought it would of been a little
faster, but it had enough for the automatic. The interior quality is
outstanding for a small car. I havent driven a new Sentra yet, but
Im going to drive the SER when it comes out. I might go back and
look at the Civic again after seeing the pic of yours. It looks like
it would be a quick car. :)

[SHIFT_6speeds]

No problem, I really like the pic of that Civic, it looks nice. I drove a new
Civic EX coupe last year. I liked it, I thought it would of been a little
faster, but it had enough for the automatic. The interior quality is
outstanding for a small car. I havent driven a new Sentra yet, but
Im going to drive the SER when it comes out. I might go back and
look at the Civic again after seeing the pic of yours. It looks like
it would be a quick car. :)

Car and Driver test Civic Si:

RSX Type-S 1998 cc engine
197hp @ 7800 rpm
139 lb ft torque @ 6200 rpm
6-speed manual
limited slip differential
VSA (Vehicle Stability Assist -that can be turned off)
0-60= 6.7
1/4 mile= 15.1 @ 95mph
top speed=130mph (redline limited)
epa city= 23 highway 32 (sedan, coupe is 1 mpg less)
redline 8000 rpm
14.5 lb per horsepower (based on coupe's 2860 lb, sedan gives 2" more wheelbase and weighs only 70 pounds more)
70-0 braking= 179 ft
215/45ZR-17- 91W tires
roadholding= .91 G
lane change mph=69.1

[joeB]

The Civic Si must handle very good. That is awesome for a car like
this to have those kind of numbers.:)

[NissT]

Thanks again NissT. You say yours is Galaxy Gray? Have any pics of yours you can post? I would love to see that color on this car. I only seriously thought of Fiji Blue or Black. The blue was nowhere to be found with the navi like I wanted, The closest one to me in blue was San Antonio Tx and the dealer wouldn't do a dealer trade. The black was only 90 miles away.

I didn't have a chance to take the pictures yet, it's covered in salt most of the time anyways.
Here's how it looks like (I found it on other forum) but I have stock rims:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/neo1978/P1010134.jpg

I might buy a set of dedicated (light weight) summer wheels... we'll see.
I am not planning any "mods" with exception of factory fog lights and Comptech short throw shifter.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

Thats a nice color, thanks for posting. In that pic it looks almost beige. Yeah, the Coupe just screams for the fog kit, If I had the coupe, I'd have to have the fogs, but I think the sedan looks cleaner without them. Oh...and the way Honda makes the installation...the car has to be practically Disected to install the fog kit. They aren't prewired like most Nissans where installation is rather painless to the vehicle.

I really like the stock wheels too, very good looking wheels. It's amazing how many Si owners change out the wheels. I guess I am a rather simple kind of guy! lol But I will have a separate set of wheels by next winter for my winter tires. I'll probably just get these for winter:

http://www.hondapartsdeals.com/images/2006_civic_-17-wheel.jpg


What kind of MPG are you realizing in your Si? My car doesn't even have 200 miles on it yet, and I got 25 mpg on my 1st fill up with lots of city and lots of ideling (running the car, keeping warm, while learning the nav and toys in the cold! LOL)

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