BMW guys talkin up a storm about the G37

[SenSpeed]

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195651

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[07G35S]

Personally I LOVED post # 21

[Riffster]

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195651

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Observation #1 on the thread - most of the posters there are pretty grounded - not a lot of fanboyism or Der Propellerheads.

Observation #2 on the thread - compare that thread's reaction to the Edmund's track test to ours. I don't recall more than a cursory reference on FA to the 335 having limp mode problems (or am I wrong?) While over at bimmerfest they are really, really on it.

Now maybe that's because we don't have to worry about that issue! :D

But it might also be just a little bit that Infiniti owners are now thinking not how much their G or M or FX is like a BMW, but how much is it like an Infiniti? ;)

- Riff

[Zmike53]

Observation #1 on the thread - most of the posters there are pretty grounded - not a lot of fanboyism or Der Propellerheads.

Observation #2 on the thread - compare that thread's reaction to the Edmund's track test to ours. I don't recall more than a cursory reference on FA to the 335 having limp mode problems (or am I wrong?) While over at bimmerfest they are really, really on it.

Now maybe that's because we don't have to worry about that issue! :D

But it might also be just a little bit that Infiniti owners are now thinking not how much their G or M or FX is like a BMW, but how much is it like an Infiniti? ;)

- Riff

When I was shopping for my current car. The 335 was on my short list. I spent some time on the Bimmerforums. One of the aftermarket tuners also ran into the limp mode issue when testing the car at the track. When things get too warm, the engine basically only allows you to drive "easily" until it cools down completely. BMW doesn't have all the bugs worked out.
I went with the G35 for a couple of reasons.
The 335 does not offer a limited slip diff. This was a huge factor for me or anyone into performance driving. The complexity and cost of twin turbos would make this car a nightmare to own out of warranty. I also prefer the looks of the G35 over the BMW. The G offers more bang for the buck with almost the same performance.

[gt_performah]

Personally I LOVED post # 21

Wait a sec. Post #21 didnt have anything to do with the G35 or the E90.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh I see what you mean. Yeah I agree. One of the best Posts I have seen yet. :)

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[Riffster]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l186/gt_performah/25622334617.gif

BMW taking Infiniti seriously here, firing back with even bigger woofers than the new G35 sedan has.

This is the new BMW 'SOW' option - and the German application makes the Bose 10" bass unit look puny by comparison.

Okay, the above is pretty lame comedy, but you did get to see SOW in action again.

Back to .... smaller details.

Btw, the Bimmerfest boys may not be terribly fanboy but they know very little about what is going on over at Infiniti. The idea that the GT-R is trying to match the M3? M3?!?! The Ghosnator decreed that Der Porsche Turbo was the target. The new M3 (V8) will certainly be the most powerful M3 yet, but is it a Porsche 911 Turbo?

Methinks not. :D

And seeing as the GT-R has been bettering 911 Turbo times at various tracks, the new M3 won't be(at) a GT-R either.

There is currently no M3 equivalent in the Nissan Stable (unless you install FI on a Z or G), but if and when the rumored G37TT/G50/whatever comes out - that will be an interesting matchup with the V8 M.

- Riff

[kotoma]

I tend to agree with many people from BMW. Competition will bring us better cars. Cheeze, high potential to trade in new cars again in the next 3 years.

[Madmaster]

"It's a souped up Nissan Altima coupe! And they're both fugly!"

Both of those statements have got to be the among the most ridiculous I've ever heard regarding a Nissan.

[AZ_G]

In regard to the BMW overheating, I have to wonder how hot it really was out there. I imaging the press day at Nissans test center was only several weeks ago(maybe early February) and it's not that hot here. Mentioning the words "Arizona desert" conjures up mental images of sweltering heat, but I don't think that really was the case. If it was peak summer heat of 115 degrees in July I would understand, but in February its in the 70's / 80's.

[Zmike53]

In regard to the BMW overheating, I have to wonder how hot it really was out there. I imaging the press day at Nissans test center was only several weeks ago(maybe early February) and it's not that hot here. Mentioning the words "Arizona desert" conjures up mental images of sweltering heat, but I don't think that really was the case. If it was peak summer heat of 115 degrees in July I would understand, but in February its in the 70's / 80's.

I don't think its the ambient temps that affected the 335. It's the internal heat caused by the turbos when they are under track conditions.

[Riffster]

This is not the first news of the turbo in the 335 overheating - some blame the front dam for not being more open and allowing air, others are blaming inadequate testing for high-temp applications and too much stress on lux.

I too agree the temps weren't that high - you might get some reflective heat off the track though to increase functional temps so that even if the air temps are 70, the track surface might be 90 or even higher. Accordingly, the air at where the intercoolers are working may not be 70, but higher. But like ZMike53 says, the problem probably isn't in the environment.

Having run a track at a good pace in mid-nineties air temps (with humidity) I know a stock G35 radiator with OEM anti-freeze, no aftermarket oil coolers and dino oil will overheat. Although the engine will cool down remarkably fast (a slow circle through the paddock and back into false grid did it for my coupe), the temps will be back up in danger zone (at or slightly over the top marker on the generic dash temp gauge) in two to three laps max. I had a sprayer with me (like the Subie boys spray on their intercoolers) and was hitting the plenum big time with it.

One interesting thing - my car never went into limp mode - either I was conservative on bringing her in, or maybe the VQ and its associated computer nannies don't do this?

So now I have a Koyo triple-thick core radiator with oil and tranny coolers. Also have added the Motordyne Plenum Spacer with the Aramid gasket so that plenum temps are incredibly cool (at least there!) You can actually put your hand on the plenum IMMEDIATELY after a twenty-minute session at Road America (speeds of up to 130) and barely feel *any* warmth. DON'T DO THIS WITH A STOCK SETUP - YOU WILL BURN YOUR HAND BADLY.

- Riff

[HokieSean24]

stupid bmw yuppies. Its funny, the real car people have to tell the stupid yuppies to shut up. Until the image changes, I dont think I could ever own a bmw. They just want to hide behind their yuppy bmw emblem and stroke each others egos about how great their car is and how they are superior... I just dont get it.

I liked the 3 series MUCH better before the last overhaul, they took all the lines out of the car.

[Heat00]

Wait a sec. Post #21 didnt have anything to do with the G35 or the E90.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh I see what you mean. Yeah I agree. One of the best Posts I have seen yet. :)

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I vote for this one too !!!! :hsdance:

[kotoma]

I don't think its the ambient temps that affected the 335. It's the internal heat caused by the turbos when they are under track conditions.

Ok, I have my sticky note and BMW pen here to count how many get burned this summer :26:

By the way, gt_performah, can you remove your signature picture? It gives me a serious motion sickness while driving my 335 online.

[M_TYPE_X]

The BMW 335i has Mitsubishi turbos that get too hot too often and thus shut down?

Sucks!

[Riffster]

The BMW 335i has Mitsubishi turbos that get too hot too often and thus shut down?

Sucks!

Life is tough in Bimmerland. :(

- Riff

[KevinM5]

One reason I don't like turbos period for the track. I have seen quite a few turbo cars overheat or blow hoses at the track. You have to add cooling no matter what. Even Corvettes usually have to add a transmission cooler to run on track. One reason you always wait for year two on any new BMW is so they can fix these kinds of things. Add an extra oil cooler and problem solved.

My 1991 M5 only sees oil temps of maybe 220 on the hottest track day and the water temp stays straight up. The oil is back below 200 by the time my cool down lap is over. However, I do have a bigger engine compartment and way less plastic in there.

I have always wondered why BMW hasn't built another big six. My car is a 3.6 and there was the 3.8 Euro M5. You would think they could have just modernized these engines.

[Monger]

Just a point of clarification- I don't see the BMW guys talking about the G37 as much as talking about the "limp mode".

[55,000 mile M]

I just didnt like the comment about the 22 second drop top. I have to say that was one of the dummest comments i have ever read. Also(and please correct me if i'm wrong) but arent they gonna build a hard top conv.? it shows that that user is shallow and ignorant. I always read up on every car company and what new technology they are using under the hood. as a matter of fact i was facinated about the turbos they used in the new 335.

Oh and the comment about the g being a souped up altima? wtf. A complete idiot. two totally different platforms. again ignorance from people who buy cars for a badge. what those owners need to understand is that all good thing dont last long and with time everyone is gonna catch up. heak it might not be too long till Korean car companies are going to play in the ring. I bet 5 years ago BMW didnt think Infiniti would be giving them a run.
but who cares its all fun and I know this post isnt right at all but heak its all fun.

[07G35S]

Infiniti has neither confirmed nor denied the G37 as a convertible period. Just speculation floating around the net at this point.

Advice: when you refer to a post as being the DUMBEST you've ever read.... make sure you spell the word correctly. :p

[PSL123]

Observation #2 on the thread - compare that thread's reaction to the Edmund's track test to ours. I don't recall more than a cursory reference on FA to the 335 having limp mode problems (or am I wrong?) While over at bimmerfest they are really, really on it.

- Riff

Hey Riff,

Many threads covering the G37 and the wimpering 335 on the BMW forums (Bimmerfest, E90post), one of which I started. I like giving it to em' :)

Yea, many folks on those forums with 335's built prior to the oil cooler addition (I think Jan 07 production?) are hollering up a storm. They want BMW to retrofit the oil coolers onto their cars. I haven't looked into this closely, but I assume the 335 Infiniti used was a pre-oil cooler model?

Some of the guys in hot areas (e.g., Arizona) talked to their SA's at BMW about how hot their cars are running, and were told "300 degrees is ok".

Uh, then why did BMW add an oil cooler???

I am pretty ignorant on this (happily, given I have the normally aspirated 2006 version), but I would be pissed off as well.

Reactions to the G37 on those boards, like here, are mixed. I personally like it, think it is very elegant. But as an ex-coupe owner, I was hoping like you to see a bit more "aggressiveness" than the sedan, as they did in first gen. But the engine, brakes and suspension look pretty slick.

[PSL123]

I have to say that was one of the dummest comments i have ever read.

You obviously missed the quote over there today on another post, commenting to a thread about car color preferences, where the OP said he makes $75 grand a year and is proud of driving a BMW.

I personally think that trumps the one you are referring to. It is yahoo central over there at times. There are clearly those that are real/mature BMW enthusiasts, but so many others who fit the "badge buying" stereotype. Especially the 3 series board. The overall tone and post quality on this forum vs. that are worlds apart.

[jbgoodmax]

I think it's kinda funny.

BMW deletes Air-to-oil cooler for autos USA/Canada....

Nissan does a test in AZ with an auto.



It was 80 today in IN have spent hours driving (trying to get stuck at a red light on long strech of road) doing 0-60 and hitting on and off ramps with my timer :) and managed to have a little treat in my travels.

No issues, I have an auto 335 with no air oil cooler.

But for safe measure I will have the dealer look at it this Friday. I know/knew buying first year of a new model might be risky.

[selzini]

Advice: when you refer to a post as being the DUMBEST you've ever read.... make sure you spell the word correctly. :p

Let's make that: "Make sure you spell most of your words correctly." I may be touchy on the subject, but sometimes it's almost painful trying to read something here. A few of the posts look like something from my 9th grade general classes that I once had(retired now after 36 years in the classroom.)

[Zmike53]

I think it's kinda funny.

BMW deletes Air-to-oil cooler for autos USA/Canada....

Nissan does a test in AZ with an auto.



It was 80 today in IN have spent hours driving (trying to get stuck at a red light on long strech of road) doing 0-60 and hitting on and off ramps with my timer :) and managed to have a little treat in my travels.

No issues, I have an auto 335 with no air oil cooler.

But for safe measure I will have the dealer look at it this Friday. I know/knew buying first year of a new model might be risky.
I doubt you will see any heat related issues on the street with the 335. Track conditions are another matter... When you can sustain boost conditions for an extended period, then you will most likely see the saftey systems limit the car.
It would be very difficult to mange this kind of driving conditions on the street.. even in 100+ degree weather..
It's not so much the ambient temps.. but the exhaust temps due to boost conditons.

[jbgoodmax]

I doubt you will see any heat related issues on the street with the 335. Track conditions are another matter... When you can sustain boost conditions for an extended period, then you will most likely see the saftey systems limit the car.
It would be very difficult to mange this kind of driving conditions on the street.. even in 100+ degree weather..
It's not so much the ambient temps.. but the exhaust temps due to boost conditons.

Yes ... Riff covered that.

I just think it's funny how some BMW owners and others are making a big deal. The car was smart enough to chill out, it should have never been deleted to begin with.. but

I was driving my car HARD and the temp was fine, some others have said it was getting high with about the same outside temp.

BMW may, as I read, add a air-oil cooler to those that "asK", USA ..Sport Autos, which will make the car more "track" ready, plus it was listed in the specs.

I think they assumed auto owners(in USA/Canada) would not track the car. Far as I'm concerned two coolers are better than one. :)