My first post -- Considering G35 and G37 -- Advise sought

[Razor1973]

New member here, guys (and girls, if there's any; not a common site in car forums). This is actually my first post. :hide:

The reason I signed up is because I am considering the G35 and G37 as my next car and have a couple of questions I'm sure some of the forum gurus :bowdown:or regulars will know.

As almost anybody else who's interested in the G35, the G37 is a temptation worth waiting for, especially when its release is imminent. However, not only will I have to wait a couple of months for it :38: (around July, right?), but I'm sure lease programs (I need to lease) will not be nearly as good as those for the G35 currently. Based on your experience, how much worse do you expect them to be?

One obvious reason why I would pick the G37 over the G35 is the extra horsepower :auto1:, but there is one more I read about in a magazine that concerns me about the G35: the manual transmission (I will not drive an automatic).

I read somewhere that the 6MT is greatly improved for the G37 and will be shared with the 2008 G35, as it either wasn't as good or was jerky/not smooth (I don't remember exactly). Do you have any information/details on this? Is the new transmission that much better that I shouldn't get a 2007 G35 and either get the G37 or wait until the 2008 G35 is released (when?)?

If you've read this far, you pretty much know where I am, so could you please offer your advise?

:sign_thankyou:

[MrRyte]

We can give you all the advice and input in the world, but until you personally take both the '08 6MT G37S Coupe and '08 6MT G35S Sedan for a drive, it would merely be speculation.

I highly recommend that you decide AFTER you've driven both cars.;)

[Riffster]

We can give you all the advice and input in the world, but until you personally take both the '08 6MT G37S Coupe and '08 6MT G35S Sedan for a drive, it would merely be speculation.

I highly recommend that you decide AFTER you've driven both cars.;)

Welcome to FA's G fourm razor1973! :)

I would also add to what MrRyte wrote that you also actually drive an '07 G35 coupe with the manual tranny instead of going by hearsay or magazine articles. The engagement and feel of a clutch-driven transmission, the throw length of the shifter, etc., are all very personal preferences and shouldn't be left to chance or someone else's opinion.

And don't worry - you can come out from behind the couch, most of us don't bite (but watch out for Helldorado, he foams a bit at the mouth sometimes! ;) )

- Riff

[Razor1973]

Thanks for the welcome, guys!

I understand many things are a matter of preference, but if the G35 6MT has problems or obvious areas of improvement that the G37 addresses, there's not much room for preference there. And I am not saying that's the case. Instead, I'm asking those who know if indeed it is.

And by 'know' I mean those who actually have details on what it is the 6MT transmission in the G37 and '08 G35 address/improve.

Does anyone? Or maybe speculate based on known problems/areas of improvement on the current transmission?

TIA!

[2B35Again]

Welcome to the forum.

As I recall, one of the reviews I saw was critical of the manual transmission in the new sedan. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the 07 coupe should be mechanically identical to the 06 coupe, at least as far as engine/trans goes and does not have the same engine/trans as the new sedan. I have an 04 coupe 6MT and love the trans. The early models did have some problems, but I haven't seen any posts since Nissan updated the trans about problems with the 6MT in the recent coupes.

As far as leasing goes, I would expect the G37 to have a higher residual value that on 07 Coupe and that you might actually be able to get a lower monthly. I understand that BMW is very aggressive with its leases on the 3 series right now so Infiniti has to stay competitive.

Not sure if any of this helps, but all of the hand wringing will make you appreciate your new ride even more when you eventually do get it. Good luck.

[Razor1973]

I don't think you are referring to the same thing I am. I am at no point talking about the previous generation G, whether sedan or coupe. I am talking about the 6MT transmission in the new generation G35 sedan and in the new generation G37 coupe. Supposedly, the coupe has an updated transmission which will go on the 2008 G35 sedan as well. I was wondering what this "update" was.

[Riffster]

I don't think you are referring to the same thing I am. I am at no point talking about the previous generation G, whether sedan or coupe. I am talking about the 6MT transmission in the new generation G35 sedan and in the new generation G37 coupe. Supposedly, the coupe has an updated transmission which will go on the 2008 G35 sedan as well. I was wondering what this "update" was.

Unless there is another reason besides transmission type, I would still test drive a 2007 G35 coupe if I were you - why not? You might like the shifter on the previous gen coupe.

You could also save yourself a bit of money and there are those who might like the styling of the G35 coupe versus the G37 coupe.

Just food for thought ....

- Riff

[helldorado]

"Updates" are kind of relative. Just because there's a new model transmission going into the G37, doesn't mean its an improvement in feel or engagement. The transmission has been revised several times. Sometimes for cost in production, sometimes to respond to owner complaints.

I know several 2003/4 owners who has gotten the later transmission installed for service and were rather unhappy with it. Is it better? All depends who you talk to.

Nissan tends to only uses one 6 speed transmission at a time, aside from crossover of phasing the models in and out. So whatever the new P/N for the transmission is, its going into the G37 coupe, G35 sedan and 350Z in 2008. The only complaint I know about with the 2007 transmission was that the clutch would sometimes stick to the floor. Not as many people had the 6MT in the 2007 sedan, so I heard that complaint mostly from the 350Z side. There are no TSB's for the transmission for either the 2007 G35 or 350Z.

Odds are the "update" we're hearing about, is a downstream benefit of the 6 speed that is rumored to be available for the GT-R.

[ivorypearl]

agreed, test drive both cars, you may like the size of the sedan more, or the look of the coupe more, or vice versa. i do recall reading a post alluding to an improved gearbox in the 37 - i can only assume these will be corrected in the sedan in the 08.

welcome to freshalloy, good luck in your decision, and by all means, when you buy one or the other, post pics for us to enjoy!!!

[Razor1973]

For one, as much as I like the body of the 2007- G35 coupe (and I really do!), I feel the interior materials need help (no offense). That, the fact that the G37 has a much needed upgraded interior and a big power increase, are factors that would not allow me to even consider the previous generation G.

As I mentioned, it will either be a 2007 G35, a 2008 G37 or a 2008 G35.

Tomorrow I am picking up a G35s sedan for an overnight test-drive. I will also try to find that article I mentioned where they talk about the upgraded transmission and quote it to see what you guys think.

Thank you all for your welcome and feedback!

[Comatose]

I've basically had the same dilemma, and im leaning heavily in favour of the G37. I've lusted over the G35 since 4 years ago when it came out -- whats another 4 months? For more power, improved interior, brakes, handling.. the list goes on.

On a side note, theres just an astonishing number of people requiring *engine replacements* over a bad oil consumption issue (primarily 6MT drivers, includes 350z owners as well) .. something I sincerely hope is alleviated in the new 3.7 engine...

[07G35S]

I can clear up some of the questions here. The automobile mag article was where I first learned of the updated manual tranny making its way into the 08 sedan. I assume they found some issues with it, and by my own experience, it just wasn't smooth. (as a broke college student I got the chance to drive quite a few crappy sticks, but never had as much trouble and jerking as with the 07 6MT) My sentiments are echoed and a transmission replacement is described in the second link below.

I'll echo the others here. You should definitely wait and drive the cars before you decide. Who knows maybe by August, which is when the first coupes are supposed to reach dealerships, you'll know more about the upcoming sedan. Maybe it will be getting a bigger engine, more gears, the coupe's bigger brakes, etc for the 09 model year.

Automobile Mag article:
http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=168592

This is a post on this forum regarding a manual transmission issue:
http://forums.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=163602&highlight=07+6MT

[Razor1973]

07G35S, this is exactly what I was looking to read! :bowdown:

And that is the magazine where I read it. It's also sitting right in front of me. *LOL* The section I mentioned is the one that reads:

"The six-speed manual transmission is a revised version of the current G35 sedan. Nissan engineers worked to reduce NVH and have also modified the clutch engagement. Both changes will be shared with the sedan starting in 2008."

What's NVH?

[MrRyte]

What's NVH?
Noise
Vibration
Harshness

Translation:things that negatively affect refinement.:D

[Razor1973]

Noise
Vibration
Harshness

Translation:things that negatively affect refinement.:D
A-hah! Definitely a reason for me to wait for the G37 sedan! I'm still picking up my G35S test-drive tomorrow. :26:

[dr.demronster]

I ordered the 2008 G37 6MT. I have currently thr '07 G35S with 6MT.
I love the way it drives and as said in another reply it how you like the trans & clutch that matters.

An improvement in vibration on the '08 will be a plus.

As to leasing rates, when the 07 sedan was introduced, the rates were high in comparison to rates today.
Wait until after the first of the year for the best rates.
Keep in mind that as rates lower, so do residual values, that will change your payment.

Good luck on your test drive!

[MrRyte]

A-hah! Definitely a reason for me to wait for the G37 sedan! I'm still picking up my G35S test-drive tomorrow. :26:
Let us know how the test drive goes. (You were probably gonna tell us anyway but I just wanted to make sure.);)

[Razor1973]

Let us know how the test drive goes. (You were probably gonna tell us anyway but I just wanted to make sure.);)
Certainly! And yes, I was. :D

:auto_wos2:

[HokieSean24]

The 2008 G35 sedan is supposed to get the new tranny with less vibration and whatnot. It sounds like to me your trying to decide between the 08 G35 Sedan and the 08 G37 Coupe at this point?!?! I have and love the Sedan (07) but the extra 24HP could be enticing in the new coupe, I just prefer the styling of the new sedan over the coupe, so that would be my pick. To each their own though...

[Razor1973]

OK, I just picked up the test-drive and drove to work. White exterior + black interior. Very nice, but I prefer red + black.

I will not offer much feedback until I've test-driven the car extensively (which is why I negotiated the overnight drive), but my first impressions are very good. I will comment on a couple of things, though.

The bad:

(B1) If I were to get this car, I already know I will miss the low end torque I'm used to (my signature might give you an idea why). The car may be fast in numbers, but it doesn't feel that fast, maybe because of the so called SWELL progressive delivery of power.

(B2) The clutch engagement is indeed something to master. Granted, I have never driven a manual Japanese car before. It is by no means bad, even if it's in this section, just different.

(B3) The stick shift does indeed transmit a lot of vibration. It's so much, it's clearly visible. Other than that, I really like the shorter throws.

(B4) I was reading in some other thread (http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=163602&highlight=marbles) about someone who had a problem with a transmission that had to be replaced because it sounded as if it had marbles inside. This car has it too. I will see if I can get a replacement after work today.


The good:

(G1) The car is stunning in person. My coworker said it looked like an old person car when I showed him pictures and, after seing it in person, is checking prices out online right now. :D

(G2) Great fit and finish! The plastics are soft and high quality. I would have used something other than chrome for the door handles and the little inserts inside the A/C vents, but that's no biggie. Coming from an Audi and a Volvo and my mom's Lexus and dad's BMW, I can honestly say Infiniti has finally made it.

(G3) I love the interior, the gauges and, more than anything else, the gadgetry! This is a biggie for me. I like the fact that you get the large LCD screen even if you don't get navigation. This is the only car I can think of that offers this. So much to explore tonight!!! :42:

(G4) I didn't know you didn't have to insert the key in order to turn the ignition on, like the Comfort Access from BMW. Very sweet. This probably comes with the Premium Package.

Ehhh... OK, stop, I'm spoiling it. In fact, I might copy some of this crap I just wrote when I write my full impression on this car tomorrow or the day after as a separate thread.

Now, I can't wait for my work day to be over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :caged:

[Razor1973]

By the way, from reading some more in the forum, I learned one of the packages that will be offered for the G37 (Premium, I think) will offer a proper iPod interface. Another reason to wait for the coupe.

For those who have the G35 and are interested in this, I really hope it's retrofittable.

[MB The Body]

OK, I just picked up the test-drive and drove to work. White exterior + black interior. Very nice, but I prefer red + black.

I will not offer much feedback until I've test-driven the car extensively (which is why I negotiated the overnight drive), but my first impressions are very good. I will comment on a couple of things, though.
Ok so now that you made me sign up here, it's time for my first post so I'll just take each point you made and add in my insight since I have an 07 G35S 6MT.

The bad:

(B1) If I were to get this car, I already know I will miss the low end torque I'm used to (my signature might give you an idea why). The car may be fast in numbers, but it doesn't feel that fast, maybe because of the so called SWELL progressive delivery of power.
This one I will disagree with you on, but only because I really don't know better. My previous car was a slow slow slow Audi A4 3.0 quattro Tiptronic, which made no power down low or up top ;) To me this car is incredibly fast. Granted I have a friend with a modded C5 Z06 and met a guy with a Stage 3 Audi B5 S4 that was even faster then the Vette. Those cars are just incredibly fast.

(B2) The clutch engagement is indeed something to master. Granted, I have never driven a manual Japanese car before. It is by no means bad, even if it's in this section, just different.
I already knew how to drive stick when I got the car, but I was still not that great. The cars I drove before were an 01 Porsche 996 (my dad's / what I learned on), 04 Audi A4 1.8T, 01 VW Passat 1.8T, 04 Nissan 350Z, and an 03 IS 300. This car did in fact take a little while to master, but I am now perfectly smooth with the clutch.

(B3) The stick shift does indeed transmit a lot of vibration. It's so much, it's clearly visible. Other than that, I really like the shorter throws.
This was originally why I did not get a 350Z. You do see the stick visiably shaking/vibrating, but in the end this time around it really just didn't bother me. When I'm driving and holding the stick to shift I don't feel the vibrations, but yeah you can see it.

(B4) I was reading in some other thread (http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=163602&highlight=marbles) about someone who had a problem with a transmission that had to be replaced because it sounded as if it had marbles inside. This car has it too. I will see if I can get a replacement after work today.
I have no idea about this, but I don't have any weird marble like sounds in the tranny :)


The good:

(G1) The car is stunning in person. My coworker said it looked like an old person car when I showed him pictures and, after seing it in person, is checking prices out online right now. :D
In pictures I was in different to the car. The first time I saw it on the road was the first time I said to myself... thank god... maybe you finally found a car you wouldn't mind trading your Audi in for.

(G2) Great fit and finish! The plastics are soft and high quality. I would have used something other than chrome for the door handles and the little inserts inside the A/C vents, but that's no biggie. Coming from an Audi and a Volvo and my mom's Lexus and dad's BMW, I can honestly say Infiniti has finally made it.
Everyone calls Japanese cars "tin cans" and so I went into my test drive expecting the interior to not be the best, but I told myself to go in with an open mind since I really needed to get rid of the Audi. Well after my test drive it was clear I did not want to get out of the car and leave it :) The interior was just done so well and the improvements were a welcome site in both feel and design.

(G3) I love the interior, the gauges and, more than anything else, the gadgetry! This is a biggie for me. I like the fact that you get the large LCD screen even if you don't get navigation. This is the only car I can think of that offers this. So much to explore tonight!!! :42:
Hands down, its the best car for the money right now ... making the assumption you like the design and way it drives of course ;)

(G4) I didn't know you didn't have to insert the key in order to turn the ignition on, like the Comfort Access from BMW. Very sweet. This probably comes with the Premium Package.

Ehhh... OK, stop, I'm spoiling it. In fact, I might copy some of this crap I just wrote when I write my full impression on this car tomorrow or the day after as a separate thread.

Now, I can't wait for my work day to be over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :caged:
Yeah the toys are fun. Key never comes out of your pocket to get in the car, turn the car on, turn the car off, get out of the car. I love it. I couldn't have asked for more. I saw some spy photos of the new coupe wasn't overly impressed by the design. That said there is a tendency to see things different in person then in pictures. Either way I wanted/needed a sedan and the Audi needed to be traded in asap so it worked out perfectly for me as we located a black/black 07 sport 6mt with the premium package.... that's exactly what I would have ordered!

Pictures linked in my sig!

Oh and if you get it we can take SoFla G35 pics together!

http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/%7Emi167268/Sig/DSCN4372.JPG

[Razor1973]

Not only did you sign up fast (profile and signature included), but you also created that big response really quick too. No wonder you're the top poster on AudiWorld! :D

I'd want a Garnet Ember + Graphite interior with just Premium, although I am considering the Navi. I don't care for the GPS, but I do like the SD slot and the voice recognition.

As far as this being the best value right now, I have to be fair and say the TL is up there too. You just can't think of that car right now since it's already 4-5 years old. I can't wait to see what they do for 2009.

Thanks for your feedback. The shifter visible and very noticeable vibration is bothering me a bit, but I'll see how I feel tomorrow. I do think I will wait for the coupe to come out in August, though. It will be more expensive and the programs won't be as good, but the extra 20 HP, upgraded tranny and proper iPod interface sold me. As far as not being impressed by the body, I agree with you, but in photos I don't like it any less than the sedan and indeed pictures usually don't give you the real picture, as with the sedan, so well see.

Thanks again! Is it 6 o'clock yet? ARGH!!! :mad:

[MB The Body]

Not only did you sign up fast (profile and signature included), but you also created that big response really quick too. No wonder you're the top poster on AudiWorld! :D

I'd want a Garnet Ember + Graphite interior with just Premium, although I am considering the Navi. I don't care for the GPS, but I do like the SD slot and the voice recognition.

As far as this being the best value right now, I have to be fair and say the TL is up there too. You just can't think of that car right now since it's already 4-5 years old. I can't wait to see what they do for 2009.

Thanks for your feedback. The shifter visible and very noticeable vibration is bothering me a bit, but I'll see how I feel tomorrow. I do think I will wait for the coupe to come out in August, though. It will be more expensive and the programs won't be as good, but the extra 20 HP, upgraded tranny and proper iPod interface sold me. As far as not being impressed by the body, I agree with you, but in photos I don't like it any less than the sedan and indeed pictures usually don't give you the real picture, as with the sedan, so well see.

Thanks again! Is it 6 o'clock yet? ARGH!!! :mad:

Well if you want to have the most posts on a site you learn to be fast :)

I just thought about some more things. Navi wasn't worth it to me. I didn't need the music box or SD slots. I actually like the MP3 CD changer. The AUX in for my iPod's video and audio is nice, but I do prefer the MP3 CDs. A proper iPod integration would be cool though.

I don't consider the TL for a few reasons. 1) 270+ hp with FWD = skip! I almost died on the test drive. For "insurance reasons" the salesman had to drive us off the lot on the test drive. Well we made a right hand turn on the main road out of the dealership and he nearly killed me and my friend as we almost jumped the median. He looked over and asked if I wanted to drive, I looked back and said no you've done enough we can go back to the dealership now. 2) The interior leaves a lot to be desired compared to the 2nd gen G35.

And yes I do agree while I am unsure about the G37 coupe, its impossible to pass judgment without seeing the car in person. Have you considered the MkII TT at all? I heard that car is a blast and its probably right in the same ballpark as the G37 Coupe and already on the road.

[Razor1973]

Have you considered the MkII TT at all? I heard that car is a blast and its probably right in the same ballpark as the G37 Coupe and already on the road. Oh, boy, have I! I really like the 2.0T engine for its low-end torque and tuneability. But, as I'm sure you know, the TT 2.0T is not offered with a manual tranny or quattro and I want both. So I have to sacrifice the engine and the affordability to move to the much more expensive 3.2 VR6 (even if they both costed the same, I'd go for the 2.0T engine). Not only that, but the lease programs are much worse on the 3.2. I've done plenty of numbers and you'd be paying for a TT 3.2 $100/150 more a month than you would for a BMW 335i coupe. I just can't justify that. A 2.0T quattro 6MT would have been perfect. Did you ever see the online petition I started (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?qn6fortt)? Pointless, I know, but I've already collected 50 signatures. :D

(I enjoyed your story about the TL test-drive. I bet you're exagerating about deciding not to drive it yourself. :hsdance:)

[UofMG35]

By the way, from reading some more in the forum, I learned one of the packages that will be offered for the G37 (Premium, I think) will offer a proper iPod interface. Another reason to wait for the coupe..

08 G35 sedan should have the I-Pod interface in the Premium Package. So another reason to wait until 08MY, not just for the coupe.

[UofMG35]

(G4) I didn't know you didn't have to insert the key in order to turn the ignition on, like the Comfort Access from BMW. Very sweet. This probably comes with the Premium Package.


Intelligent Key is standard, not part of the Premium Package.

[Razor1973]

08 G35 sedan should have the I-Pod interface in the Premium Package. So another reason to wait until 08MY, not just for the coupe. Right, but the wait for the 08 sedan will be a lot longer than that for the coupe. :smilie_schildkroete Is there an approximate date yet?
Intelligent Key is standard, not part of the Premium Package. Yes, I learned that on the Infiniti page after posting here.
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When I saw your name, I thought it was "University of Miami", but then saw your profile and realized it must be "University of Michigan".

[UofMG35]

Is there an approximate date yet?


Should be September, that's the Infiniti's norm for non-changing models.

[MB The Body]

Oh, boy, have I! I really like the 2.0T engine for its low-end torque and tuneability. But, as I'm sure you know, the TT 2.0T is not offered with a manual tranny or quattro and I want both. So I have to sacrifice the engine and the affordability to move to the much more expensive 3.2 VR6 (even if they both costed the same, I'd go for the 2.0T engine). Not only that, but the lease programs are much worse on the 3.2. I've done plenty of numbers and you'd be paying for a TT 3.2 $100/150 more a month than you would for a BMW 335i coupe. I just can't justify that. A 2.0T quattro 6MT would have been perfect. Did you ever see the online petition I started (http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?qn6fortt)? Pointless, I know, but I've already collected 50 singatures. :D

(I enjoyed your story about the TL test-drive. I bet you're exagerating about deciding not to drive it yourself. :hsdance:)

Actually this is news to me. The reason why I stopped considering the A3 was because the 2.0T had no stick or quattro... I didn't know they made the same mistake on the Mk2 TT. What a bummer!

Well of course I'd take a BMW 335i Coupe over a TT 3.2!

Actually no exaggeration on the TL story. I didn't test drive the car. To this day I've never driven one. The TL-S costs more then the G35 Sport though and frankly when I went to the dealership a second time and sat in one I didn't even want to drive it. I wouldn't want front wheel drive and all that power.

[Razor1973]

Should be September, that's the Infiniti's norm for non-changing models.
Are you serious? Right after the coupe? That would be great news! Not saying I prefer the sedan body style to the coupe, but I don't prefer the coupe to the sedan either. Both cars being the same (3.7L, upgraded tranny, iPod interface), I will probably go for the cheaper one (sedan) or the one with the better lease programs (probably sedan too).

[Razor1973]

I didn't know they made the same mistake on the Mk2 TT. Indeed they are, my friend. I don't get them. They are purposedly alienating their enthusiast crowd.
Well of course I'd take a BMW 335i Coupe over a TT 3.2! Two main reasons I'm not going to be getting one. (1) Their interiors are so nasty (IMO), I can't just ignore that part of the car even when the rest is so nice (again, IMO). (2) There is NO ONE in stock in all of South Florida. You need to place an order and I have always had a problem with that.
I wouldn't want front wheel drive and all that power. I hear you.

[07G35S]

Both cars being the same (3.7L, upgraded tranny, iPod interface), I will probably go for the cheaper one (sedan) or the one with the better lease programs (probably sedan too).

To get the 3.7L engine in the sedan, you'd have to wait at least another model year!

[MrRyte]

To get the 3.7L engine in the sedan, you'd have to wait at least another model year!
Assuming it'll happen at all.;)

[Razor1973]

To get the 3.7L engine in the sedan, you'd have to wait at least another model year!
The coupe it is, then.

For those who follow the lease programs, any idea what programs will be like at lunch?

[Razor1973]

For those who follow the lease programs, any idea what programs will be like at lunch?
Feel free to guesstimate here (http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=169067). ;)

[UofMG35]

The coupe it is, then.

You do realize the the extra weight of the coupe will negate any performance benefit from the 3.7L engine, right? 26 extra horsepower, 2 extra lb-ft of torque, and 200 extra pounds. I will be suprised if the coupe is faster in a straight line. I bet they'll be within 1/10 second in the 1/4 mile. Just my guess though.

My point is don't get the coupe based soley on the 3.7L engine. Get the coupe based on styling, handling, braking. Styling is your call, but the coupe does handle/brake slightly better than the sedan. Not a big difference though.

[Razor1973]

I will be suprised if the coupe is faster in a straight line. I bet they'll be within 1/10 second in the 1/4 mile.
I hope this is not the case.

My point is don't get the coupe based soley on the 3.7L engine.
Oh, I'm not. As I was mentioning before, the extra HP is not the only reason to wait for the coupe. The rest of them are:
>>> Body style. Not by a whole lot, but I do like the coupe a little better. Based on the experience with the sedan, I might like the coupe a lot better once I see it in person.
>>> Revised transmission. The heavy and very visible vibration in my test-drive sedan really weirded me out.
>>> Reworked clutch. The clutch was updated too, in order to achieve a smoother engagement.
>>> Proper iPod interface. Seems to be part of the Premium Package.