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mrjoshua
03-06-2008, 09:58 PM
Getting a C: A Benz That Fails to Impress

March 7, 2008; Page W3
The Wall Street Journal
By Jeff Sabatini

A friend is shopping for a car, trying in vain to get my blessing for a new Mercedes-Benz C-Class. "I am bald," he pleads. "I need all the help I can get." His rationale, as with many who buy "entry luxury" sedans, is that having the cheapest Benz on the block will impress. Dates, co-workers, family -- they're all susceptible, he figures. He may be right, but even so, that doesn't recommend the new-for-2008 C-Class.
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-BC874_audrse_20080306152127.jpg (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120483165297517271.html) This is a car that's about as exciting as the road remaining to the Republican presidential nomination. As with the previous-generation C-Class, this new version of Mercedes's best-selling model is comfortable and competent, and somewhat resembles a shrunken S-Class. Except that most of the impressive technology that makes the brand's flagship all that it is -- the adaptive cruise control, the infrared night-vision camera system, the massaging seats, etc. -- has been stripped out. Worse, the diminution removed the big car's gravitas, leaving the C-Class looking more like a restrained, less-ugly version of the Chrysler Sebring, that overstyled mistake that the Mercedes guys left behind when they took their half of DaimlerChrysler and fled back to Germany last year.

The C-Class is available in two somewhat distinct trims, called "sport" and "luxury," the principal visual difference being that the sport model wears a grille with a large, integral Mercedes tri-star logo while the luxury model carries a more traditional hood ornament above its de-festooned grille. Either C-Class also has a round Mercedes emblem affixed within inches of its tri-star, just like the rest of the Mercedes lineup. (The two brand signifiers being all that much the better to ensure everyone knows exactly what you're driving.)

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• Here's how the Mercedes C-Class compares (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120483863263617499.html?mod=todays_us_weekend_jo urnal#CHRT) to other "entry-luxury" sedans.

Both C-Classes are powered by a 228-horsepower, 3.0-L V6, though a 268-horsepower, 3.5-L V6 can be ordered in the sport version. The bigger V6 earns a "C350" designation and trunk badge, while the smaller is the "C300." A seven-speed automatic is standard, except in the base sport model, which has a six-speed manual. All-wheel-drive is optional, but only available with the small motor and automatic gearbox. (Oh, and there's also a hot-rod version with a 451-horsepower V8 coming in April, the C63 AMG.)

If the basic mechanical package is stolid, the interior reinforces this notion. The best thing about it is that the switchgear and instrument-panel electronics are principally borrowed from the S-Class, giving the C-Class a distinct advantage over its rivals. Speaking of which, Mercedes has joined Cadillac in offering a disappearing display screen for the navigation system in its least-expensive model, a welcome development. Less elegant is an optional, two-tone tan interior in the luxury model. I'll be charitable and just say that it resembles the hue of a past-its-prime orange. And it's worth noting that, unlike with some of the competition, leather seats cost extra in the C-Class.

On the road, the C300 rides and handles well, though the automatic-equipped car feels as sluggish as the S-Class doesn't. As delightful as the seven-speed is in the bigger car, the extra torque of the S-Class's V8 helps obscure the problem you encounter again and again in the C-Class: In many driving situations the transmission is in the wrong gear, usually by a factor of two. By the time you can jab the pedal hard enough to get the car to downshift, it's too late for the poky V6 to make up the difference. Yes, you can always use the "Touch Shift" to manually shift the automatic, but then why not just get the manual transmission in the first place?

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Daimler If it were a Chrysler, I might be raving about the C-Class, but as it sits, it's just a car for people who can't afford the larger E-Class -- never mind the S-Class. Unlike the sporty BMW 3-Series, the C-Class has no intrinsic appeal beyond being the cheapest way to park a Mercedes in your driveway. While "inexpensive" would be a fine selling point for this $31,975 car, an empirical comparison shows that the Japanese -- particularly Infiniti, with its G35 -- offer more for the money. So we're back to my buddy who believes that buying this Mercedes would say something. It does: He's not a very savvy shopper and bought into the Mercedes myth. Because, honestly, that's really what the scions of Stuttgart are selling here.

While over the years the brand's good name was built on the twin pillars of engineering and exclusivity, neither applies much anymore. It's no secret that Mercedes's reputation for quality has taken a nose dive this decade. Just as legions of car buyers have sworn off the domestics forever because of shoddy quality, plenty of potential Mercedes owners are shopping elsewhere.

But even more harmful to the brand image is that Mercedes has diluted its unique claim as a builder of high-end luxury cars by going after nearly every product segment in the U.S. market. Mercedes dealers now sell everything from a full-size sport-utility vehicle, the GL-Class, to a poorly disguised minivan, the R-Class. A compact SUV, the GLK-Class, is coming. For 2008, Mercedes is more of a full-line brand than Ford. While none of this makes the C-Class a bad car, I'm sorry to have to tell my friend that it casts this low-end Benz as more of a toupee than any sort of automotive Rogaine.

badhobz
03-06-2008, 10:34 PM
what a load of b.s. :mad:
The new c class is quite beautiful in its execution. Its well priced (atleast in canada) drives nicely for those who dont need a 335i ish acceleration, and it carries w/ it classic mercedes traits. If u compare the base model bmw 323i (a joke) to a base C class, id take the C class in a heartbeat.

This guy in wall street journal is a bias idiot.

M_TYPE_X
03-07-2008, 08:16 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ... hey, it's not my naptime, don't say "C Class again."

I haven't been able to sleep much recently. Maybe I should 'test drive' a 2008 C a second time.

Doluck
03-07-2008, 10:00 PM
I have a benz.. and you know what, its the worst buy I have ever made. So what if it turns on the rear wiper and turns in the mirror when you back. who cares if it turns on the wipers when it starts to rain and stops then when the car stops. Thoes little funn things dont add up to the fact that they suck, they dont last but 50-70k before you droping 3k every month... they have more grimlins than a ford concept. Every thing on them is stupid EEXXXPPPSSSSIIIVVEEEEE .... The damn stereo cant be upgraded with out changing every speaker, amp, and wire in the damn thing. The only thing I found my good for .............. The mud!!! its a M class........ mud monster!!! 3 diffs and they all lock, drop that bad boy in low and lock it up... ****, it will climb your momma if you aint watching it .

s14srt4
03-09-2008, 02:35 PM
I have a benz.. and you know what, its the worst buy I have ever made. So what if it turns on the rear wiper and turns in the mirror when you back. who cares if it turns on the wipers when it starts to rain and stops then when the car stops. Thoes little funn things dont add up to the fact that they suck, they dont last but 50-70k before you droping 3k every month... they have more grimlins than a ford concept. Every thing on them is stupid EEXXXPPPSSSSIIIVVEEEEE .... The damn stereo cant be upgraded with out changing every speaker, amp, and wire in the damn thing. The only thing I found my good for .............. The mud!!! its a M class........ mud monster!!! 3 diffs and they all lock, drop that bad boy in low and lock it up... ****, it will climb your momma if you aint watching it .

i wouldnt say all that. I was looking into some c classes untill I called a buddy of mine that works in the parts department for a mercedes dealership and he had nothing good to say about them for the most part. Alot of electrical issues.

Id stick with a bmw if he wants to go the luxury route.

WhereHaveYouBeen
03-09-2008, 03:40 PM
Mercedes-Benz Motto: If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features.

There's no point to buying a C-Class other than to say you own a Mercedes-Benz. If you want a german entry-level luxury then you are better off with the Bimmer or the Audi. Hell, a CTS rolls down the rearview mirror when you back up. I think the new malibu may even do that. Or you could just try not backing up over stuff.


The reporters "friend" should invest his cash in the Bosley Medical Group or Rogaine. Combine that with some self-esteem and you can find a woman. If you want a woman that will like you for what you drive, then you are doomed to a life of servitude instead of sharing it with a great person. NY must suck if you're poor. At least in fort wayne they offer payment plans at the local gentleman's establishments.

M_TYPE_X
03-09-2008, 05:30 PM
At least in fort wayne they offer payment plans at the local gentleman's establishments.

Indiana hearts the middle class. Tell me about the local Sears stores.

shholt
03-09-2008, 08:00 PM
what a load of b.s. :mad:
The new c class is quite beautiful in its execution. Its well priced (atleast in canada) drives nicely for those who dont need a 335i ish acceleration, and it carries w/ it classic mercedes traits. If u compare the base model bmw 323i (a joke) to a base C class, id take the C class in a heartbeat.

This guy in wall street journal is a bias idiot.

The guy in Wall Street Journal is a long way from a biased idiot. The C class is a Honda Civic sized car with a poor reliability rating and a high price. There are a lot of better choices out there and the only reason to buy a C Class is to have the cachet of the Mercedes name at a reduced price. None of the comparisons that included the C class rated it nearly as high as a G35. There are a lot of posers out there who only want to impress their neighbors with the Mercedes name. No real auto enthusiast would consider a C as being a sign that you had arrived, but rather that you had not arrived and wanted to pretend that you had. I have a neighbor who's wife insisted that he buy a used Mercedes E Class because it gave her status at the golf club. It has spent 4 of the last 12 months in the shop for electrical problems but he can't trade it because she thinks it is a part of her acceptance with her "friends". The C class feeds this kind of silly posing.
Steve

MrRyte
03-10-2008, 07:31 AM
I have a neighbor who's wife insisted that he buy a used Mercedes E Class because it gave her status at the golf club. It has spent 4 of the last 12 months in the shop for electrical problems but he can't trade it because she thinks it is a part of her acceptance with her "friends". The C class feeds this kind of silly posing.
Steve
BINGO.

Sad to say, as long as there are people that have such fragile egos, the C-class will always sell....
:nopity:

MrRyte
03-10-2008, 07:41 AM
what a load of b.s. :mad:
The new c class is quite beautiful in its execution. Its well priced (atleast in canada) drives nicely for those who dont need a 335i ish acceleration, and it carries w/ it classic mercedes traits. If u compare the base model bmw 323i (a joke) to a base C class, id take the C class in a heartbeat.

This guy in wall street journal is a bias idiot.
Don't put too much weight in his words. A review is nothing more than an opinion. The C-class certainly is a solid, well-built vehicle.

That said, the C-class is also boring and cramped. The vast majority of C-class owners that I've seen are females and guys that care nothing about performance. Like what's been said before, they just want to be seen driving a Benz.

Riffster
03-10-2008, 10:01 AM
Don't put too much weight in his words. A review is nothing more than an opinion. The C-class certainly is a solid, well-built vehicle.

I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing with the review as a whole. But your last sentence doesn't IMO jive with the facts.

A guy I have autocrossed frequently with was a Benz mechanic (he works on Porsches now) and he does not have good things to say about the build quality of the cars. MB *used* to be built like a tank, but somewhere along the end of the 90's that disappeared. Consumer Reports now ranks the car as one of the worst in reliability amongst any marque out there (before the CR-bashing starts remember this key fact - the reliability ratings in CR are based on what their readers whom drive Benz's say, not them!)

He went on to say where a quality-made and machined part used to be, there was now something far less well machined, verging on shoddy. Sure, the car is still styled well in and out - but beneath the skin there is no longer that once-famous Mercedes build quality. It's gone! The mechanic said he still had a '95 Benz and loved the car, but that if and when he replaced it, it would be with another marque.

I also know several guys who have Mercedes of more recent vintage, the only one that is happy has an AMG. The others (two C-class, 1 E-class, 1-SLK) are regular visitors to the dealers with an assortment of electrical problems, rusted-out strut perches and harnesses coming loose. To compound it, MB is often not very customer-friendly, fighting most claims like an insurance company after a hurricane hit.

I admire Benz styling and interiors and I like the AMG engine build quality. Beyond that, the marque has NO attraction for me. It's a pity, because Mercedes through the 70's and 80's was my dream car - and not because it said something about me, but because it was a great car.

- Riff

MrRyte
03-10-2008, 10:25 AM
I'm not really agreeing or disagreeing with the review as a whole. But your last sentence doesn't IMO jive with the facts.

<snip>

I admire Benz styling and interiors and I like the AMG engine build quality. Beyond that, the marque has NO attraction for me. It's a pity, because Mercedes through the 70's and 80's was my dream car - and not because it said something about me, but because it was a great car.

- Riff
Good point. I should have been clearer in my post. The 3-4 C-class cars that I've driven at the hotel that I work part time have that bank-vault thud when you close the door. The initial impression is that it's well made. But upon seeing the facts pointed out from Consumer Reports from owners, I can see that first impressions only go so far.;)

Allow me to amend it: the C-class is a stylish vehicle and little else.:D

1995Q45
03-10-2008, 06:49 PM
Have to at least get the C350 sport with optional suspension.

If he is an automatic person, IS 350 (sorry guys, but the Lexus 6 speed is better than the Infiniti 5 speed automatic.)

If he can shift, G35 Sport or G37S with 6MT.

If he has cojones grande, tell him to get a CLK 6.3 AMG Black. Large bank account a must.

M_TYPE_X
03-10-2008, 08:31 PM
I don't have any friends, so there is no need to impress.

badhobz
03-10-2008, 08:34 PM
I don't have any friends, so there is no need to impress.
Watcha talking about willis?
if u get one, you'll increase your E-penis by <----------> this much!:eek:

M_TYPE_X
03-10-2008, 08:39 PM
Sorry, I know a tool that leased a last-gen C-Class. He lost his girl and a job not soon after that.

I'm sticking with my Acura.

WhereHaveYouBeen
03-11-2008, 05:00 PM
Don't ever give up on the SB.

M_TYPE_X
03-11-2008, 09:18 PM
Don't ever give up on the SB.
More reliable than any woman or poseur-wannabe German car, or woman in poseur-wannabe German car wearing Dolce & Gabbana.
Or, any such permutation of hell.