2009 Maxima Specs

[evilarry]

http://www.gabusinessplanning.com/specs.jpg290 Hp
CVT Tranny
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4 driving modes on the CVT
SPort mode
manual mode
interior ambient lighter woohoo - a must have for any new car to feel more luxurious inside.
9.3gb music like the G37
power rear sunshade
18 or 19" wheels

[gacop1]

i think the interior sucks, especially the sterring wheel. nissan should have moved away from this murano clone interior and come up with something origional and a little more classy.

[bb700092]

Anyone know the interior passenger volume of this car?

[jwaters943]

The interior passenger space is 96.2 cu ft, which is smaller than the Altima. Nissan is really moving this car back to it's roots as a 4DSC.

As for the interior, it's great....love it! The steering wheel is from the GT-R, but with a different airbag cover, what's wrong with it?

[bb700092]

The interior passenger space is 96.2 cu ft, which is smaller than the Altima. Nissan is really moving this car back to it's roots as a 4DSC.

As for the interior, it's great....love it! The steering wheel is from the GT-R, but with a different airbag cover, what's wrong with it?

Where did you get the info that the interior passenger space is 96.2 cu. ft.?

I am a little confused as to which consumers Nissan is targetting with the Maxima. If your info about interior passenger volume is right, it is smaller than the Altima (100.7 cu ft) as well as the G35 sedan (w/o moonroof 99 cu ft, with moonroof 96.5 cu ft). The 08 Maxima had 103.6 cu ft w/o moonroof while the 08 Avalon 106.9 cu ft..

Who will go for the 09 Maxima? I do not think people are willing to pay more for 20 more hp (Altima V6 -- 270 hp, 258 lb-ft torque; 09 Maxima -- 290 hp, 261 lb-ft torque). And those people who are willing to pay more for the 20 more hp will also be willing to pay a little bit more for another 16 more hp and get the G35 (306 hp, 268 lb-ft torque) along with the Infiniti name and service/warranty.

I am really confused.

[jwaters943]

2009 Maxima Specs:
http://nissan.iconicweb.com/assets/specs/2009MaximaSpecifications.pdf

The new Maxima may not appeal to current Maxima owners, but it appeals to me. The wider track and shorter wheelbase will likely aid handling and help imbue the vehicle with a sense of nimbleness not currently found in the 7th-generation Maxima.

The size is another reason why I personally believe the new Maxima won't start at more than $30-32k. It has to undercut the G35 significantly, since they now have nearly identical interior space. Plus, Nissan higher-ups keep talking of value when speaking of the new Maxima:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT_54P9AbOY

[bb700092]

http://nissan.iconicweb.com/assets/specs/2009MaximaSpecifications.pdf

The new Maxima may not appeal to current Maxima owners, but it appeals to me. The wider track and shorter wheelbase will likely aid handling and help imbue the vehicle with a sense of nimbleness not currently found in the 7th-generation Maxima.

So you are expecting the handling to be better than the G35?

[jwaters943]

No, not better, but as far as FWD vehicles go, I would expect it to at least match the TL-S, which is pretty much considered the benchmark as far as high-performance FWD sedans go. Acura made quite a a few revisions to the refreshed TL & TL-S to help quell torque steer, and for the most part, it worked. I'm sure Nissan is capable of doing the same.

[omelet1978]

When it says two grades of leather does that mean the seating comes in either the black color or that tan color? I was kind of hoping for grey leather seats.

[jwaters943]

I think they're referencing the feel/style of the leather and not the color. It's been confirmed the new Maxima will be offered w/ 3 interior color choices (Charcoal, Ash, & Cafe Latte).

[Saywhaat04]

When it says two grades of leather does that mean the seating comes in either the black color or that tan color? I was kind of hoping for grey leather seats.

Nissan will offer cloth (On the Maxima S), standard leather on the SV and an upgraded leather on the SV with the Premium Pkg if I am not mistaken.

All interiors (Cloth, regular leather or premium leather) should be available in Black, Frost or Cafe Latte if I am not mistaken.

Also, a power sunroof is standard on the Maxima S, but fog lights arent :(

I will say this..and I mean it when I say it. My 05 Altima has been giving me nothing but the blues for the last six months or so and I was going to literally let Nissan kiss my ass. LOL. But this new Maxima has really grown on me. I really really really like it. I NEVER liked the 6th gen (the front is was sooooo ugly) but I'm in love with this new 7th. The 6.5 wasn't bad at all.

[RHMax]

Where did you get the info that the interior passenger space is 96.2 cu. ft.?

I am a little confused as to which consumers Nissan is targetting with the Maxima. If your info about interior passenger volume is right, it is smaller than the Altima (100.7 cu ft) as well as the G35 sedan (w/o moonroof 99 cu ft, with moonroof 96.5 cu ft). The 08 Maxima had 103.6 cu ft w/o moonroof while the 08 Avalon 106.9 cu ft..

Who will go for the 09 Maxima? I do not think people are willing to pay more for 20 more hp (Altima V6 -- 270 hp, 258 lb-ft torque; 09 Maxima -- 290 hp, 261 lb-ft torque). And those people who are willing to pay more for the 20 more hp will also be willing to pay a little bit more for another 16 more hp and get the G35 (306 hp, 268 lb-ft torque) along with the Infiniti name and service/warranty.

I am really confused.

Well, you can buy a $33k Altima SE w/ Tech pkg that looks nearly identical to your neighbor's $18k version w/ a spoiler.

[bb700092]

Well, you can buy a $33k Altima SE w/ Tech pkg that looks nearly identical to your neighbor's $18k version w/ a spoiler.

Or I can pay $18k more than my neighbor just to have a different looking car?

What is the point of having both the Altima V6 and Maxima in Nissan's lineup? Why don't they drop one?

[RHMax]

Or I can pay $18k more than my neighbor just to have a different looking car?

What is the point of having both the Altima V6 and Maxima in Nissan's lineup? Why don't they drop one?

Which one?

[bb700092]

Which one?

If Nissan is more interested in cost-benefit ratio, then drop the Maxima. If Nissan is more interested in maintaining its image, then drop the Altima V6. But whats the point in having both?

I expected the 09 Maxima to be a poor man's BMW 7 series (FWD, with AWD option) even with a price increase of up to $5k. But I am disappointed.

[Not_Vin_Diesel]

People will buy the Maxima for the same reason that people buy the Lexus ES300 and the Acura TL. Nissan is trying not to make FWD Infiniti's, so the Maxima is the closest thing to an ES300/TL competitor they've got. The Max has upgraded interior (both looks and materials,) handling, horsepower, and looks compared to it's Altima sibling. If I'm looking for a FWD entry level luxo, the Max is on my radar. Warranty length and dealer treatment are the only things that the ES300/TL have over it, and most people either lease or extend their warranty anyway.

[bb700092]

People will buy the Maxima for the same reason that people buy the Lexus ES300 and the Acura TL. Nissan is trying not to make FWD Infiniti's, so the Maxima is the closest thing to an ES300/TL competitor they've got. The Max has upgraded interior (both looks and materials,) handling, horsepower, and looks compared to it's Altima sibling. If I'm looking for a FWD entry level luxo, the Max is on my radar. Warranty length and dealer treatment are the only things that the ES300/TL have over it, and most people either lease or extend their warranty anyway.

In 2009-2010, the Max has upgraded interior (both looks and materials,) handling, horsepower, and looks compared to it's Altima sibling. So the Max is your FWD entry level luxo.

In 2011-2012 (when the new gen. Alti comes out), the Alti will have upgraded interior (both looks and materials,) handling, horsepower, and looks compared to it's Maxima sibling. Then the Alti will be your FWD entry level luxo.

So, as it turns out, your FWD entry level luxo is that car, out of Alti or Max, which has the upgraded interior (both looks and materials,) handling, horsepower, and looks for the current year. In other words, there is no difference between the Altima and Maxima, unlike the Camry and Avalon.

[RHMax]

In 2009-2010, the Max has upgraded interior (both looks and materials,) handling, horsepower, and looks compared to it's Altima sibling. So the Max is your FWD entry level luxo.

In 2011-2012 (when the new gen. Alti comes out), the Alti will have upgraded interior (both looks and materials,) handling, horsepower, and looks compared to it's Maxima sibling. Then the Alti will be your FWD entry level luxo.

So, as it turns out, your FWD entry level luxo is that car, out of Alti or Max, which has the upgraded interior (both looks and materials,) handling, horsepower, and looks for the current year. In other words, there is no difference between the Altima and Maxima, unlike the Camry and Avalon.

Just like in 07 when the current Alti came out compared to the 07 Max. Maxima buyers would not likely down grade to Altima on their next purchase. Dump the Maxima, and Nissan loses most of those customers to the competitors. Dump the Altima V6, and Nissan would have to water down the base model Maxima, with less electronics and standard features, and start MSRP well below $25k; to compete against the V6 Accords and Camry's.

You don't see many differences between Avalon and Camry? Look closer. How about Avalon and ES350?

[bb700092]

Just like in 07 when the current Alti came out compared to the 07 Max. Maxima buyers would not likely down grade to Altima on their next purchase. Dump the Maxima, and Nissan loses most of those customers to the competitors. Dump the Altima V6, and Nissan would have to water down the base model Maxima, with less electronics and standard features, and start MSRP well below $25k; to compete against the V6 Accords and Camry's.

You don't see many differences between Avalon and Camry? Look closer. How about Avalon and ES350?

Nissan has not maintained any difference between the Altima and Maxima since 2004 and that still seems to continue with the 09 Maxima. In 2007, why would buying an Altima over a Maxima considered a downgrade for a previous Maxima owner? The 2007 Altima V6 had less torque steer and better overall handling than the Maxima. The 07 Altima had the new "D" platform. The only advantage the Maxima had over the Altima in 2007 was its size. Even if you consider features, the 2007 Altima had a rearview camera and push button start which the Maxima didn't.

"Dump the Maxima, and Nissan loses most of those customers to the competitors." -- True, and the biggest competitor is Altima V6. Think of it yourself. If Nissan drops the Maxima for good, what will be your next car?

"Dump the Altima V6, and Nissan would have to water down the base model Maxima, with less electronics and standard features, and start MSRP well below $25k; to compete against the V6 Accords and Camry's." -- Not quite true. A base 2007-08 Maxima SE, after all incentives/discounts, sells for about the same price as the base Altima V6 -- at most a $1500 difference. Check it out at Edmunds. In fact, since the Maxima is a midsize sedan (and not full-size), it is more often compared with the Camry/Accord V6 rather than the Avalon which is full-size.

"You don't see many differences between Avalon and Camry? Look closer. How about Avalon and ES350?" -- Not sure what you are trying to say here. The Camry and Avalon are clearly different because the former is midsize while the latter is full-size. The ES350 is different from Camry or Avalon because it is a luxury sedan while the other two are not. So the three cater to different customers and do not compete against each other.

I think Nissan's customers mostly tend to stay with Nissan because Nissan has a tradition of offering sporty sedans which no one else does (not at least Toyota or Honda). Mazda is trying but still doesn't come close to Nissan. IMO Nissan should maintain its tradition and not create competition among its own vehicles. In the luxury segment, Infiniti is not that lucky though. It has a very strong and established competitor in BMW.

[drakutis]

I believe most of this varies on a buyers tastes. what they can afford, etc. Just like Nissan will use the same platform for different models, the others do too. The ES350 is a luxed up Camry. The Avalon is just old and tired.

if Nissan dumped either one of the models, that would drive people right to the competition to try and find what they want. Hondas are nice but boring, Toyotas are boring, but nice.

Let's give the new Maxima a chance by driving it when it arrives. I'm glad that they styled it like this, because it was TOO close to the Altima in looks, and the Altima should not have had more horses than the Maxima. But when it was redesigned it was done so to compete with the Accord and Camry. Which it has done.

[RHMax]

"You don't see many differences between Avalon and Camry? Look closer. How about Avalon and ES350?" -- Not sure what you are trying to say here. The Camry and Avalon are clearly different because the former is midsize while the latter is full-size. The ES350 is different from Camry or Avalon because it is a luxury sedan while the other two are not. So the three cater to different customers and do not compete against each other

Opps, I meant there are little differences between those 3 cars to me; FWD, 5 passenger, 4 door sedan, with nearly the same interior space, on the same plaform, with the same power from the same engine/trany, with nearly the same amenities, within a few thousand dollars of each other. But a Lexus buyer won't shop Toyota, and Avalon buyer won't buy a Camry.

If Nissan dropped Maxima, I will move on to Infiniti or other brand.

[bb700092]

Opps, I meant there are little differences between those 3 cars to me; FWD, 5 passenger, 4 door sedan, with nearly the same interior space, on the same plaform, with the same power from the same engine/trany, with nearly the same amenities, within a few thousand dollars of each other. But a Lexus buyer won't shop Toyota, and Avalon buyer won't buy a Camry.

If Nissan dropped Maxima, I will move on to Infiniti or other brand.

The Camry and ES350 are similar size (comparable to currrent Altima), the Avalon is much larger (larger than the 6th gen Maxima or even GS). So size differentiates Camry/ES350 from Avalon. The quality of ES350, like any other Lexus, is better than Toyota and the cost is higher. So quality and cost differentiates Camry and ES350. Also the ES350 comes with available AWD.

I personally had a hard time deciding between the 2007 Maxima and Altima V6 and eventually settled for the Maxima mostly because I like bigger sedans and the Maxima felt more comfortable to me. But I wished the Maxima wasn't so close in everything to the Altima V6. Now, after the introduction of 09 Maxima, I am in a worse situation because in order to get a sedan larger than the Altima in the Nissan/Infiniti lineup, I have to shell out at least $45k for a M. If I want to stay within $35k, I have no other option but to look for an Avalon or Accord :(

[Saywhaat04]

The Camry and ES350 are similar size (comparable to currrent Altima), the Avalon is much larger (larger than the 6th gen Maxima or even GS). So size differentiates Camry/ES350 from Avalon. The quality of ES350, like any other Lexus, is better than Toyota and the cost is higher. So quality and cost differentiates Camry and ES350. Also the ES350 comes with available AWD.

I personally had a hard time deciding between the 2007 Maxima and Altima V6 and eventually settled for the Maxima mostly because I like bigger sedans and the Maxima felt more comfortable to me. But I wished the Maxima wasn't so close in everything to the Altima V6. Now, after the introduction of 09 Maxima, I am in a worse situation because in order to get a sedan larger than the Altima in the Nissan/Infiniti lineup, I have to shell out at least $45k for a M. If I want to stay within $35k, I have no other option but to look for an Avalon or Accord :(

You do realize that while the Accord is considered FULL size (and that's for the basic no frills LX/LX-P models) it's BARELY full size in that regard and EX/EX-L models (which come with sunroofs) are still full-size and probably only marginally larger than the Altima, Maxima, etc.

[jcalabria]

The biggest advantage the Max has over the V6 Altima is that it doesnt look just like hundreds of thousands of 4cyl Altimas. No matter how good Nissan ever makes the 6cyl Altima, its STILL just an Altima. Its virtually impossible to ignore that when getting ready to plunk down $30k+.

[bb700092]

You do realize that while the Accord is considered FULL size (and that's for the basic no frills LX/LX-P models) it's BARELY full size in that regard and EX/EX-L models (which come with sunroofs) are still full-size and probably only marginally larger than the Altima, Maxima, etc.

I do not know who considers Accord full-size because it is not. It is similar in size as the 2004-08 Maxima which is also considered midsize. The only sedan that is full-size in the Nissan/Toyota/Honda lineup is the Avalon.

[bb700092]

The biggest advantage the Max has over the V6 Altima is that it doesnt look just like hundreds of thousands of 4cyl Altimas. No matter how good Nissan ever makes the 6cyl Altima, its STILL just an Altima. Its virtually impossible to ignore that when getting ready to plunk down $30k+.

Then why have the Altima V6 in the Nissan lineup? Who is it for?

[Madmaster]

I do not know who considers Accord full-size because it is not. It is similar in size as the 2004-08 Maxima which is also considered midsize. The only sedan that is full-size in the Nissan/Toyota/Honda lineup is the Avalon.

Actually, the EPA classifies the Accord as full size - that is a fairly legit source lol. The Sonata is also full size - both without the moonroof, anyways.

[RHMax]

Then why have the Altima V6 in the Nissan lineup? Who is it for?

It's for those who wants a V6 in a large/ mid-size car but only want to spend $25k.

[jcalabria]

Then why have the Altima V6 in the Nissan lineup? Who is it for?

I'm not sure... I've been asking that question for a few years. Certainly not for me. I would recommend the Altima any day to a friend looking for a mid-$20s sedan, but I could never pony up the $30k+ that it would cost for an Altima equipped even remotely close to what I would be looking for in a car. I was recently admiring a very nice loaded Altima 3.5SE coupe - $32k+ sticker PLUS a $3k "market adjustment". $35k!!!! for an Altima!

If there is to be a V6 Altima, it should be positioned, price and trim-wise, as the replacement for the old GXE trim level Max - Mid-high $20s - nicely but not lavishly equipped. Instead, Nissan confused things royally by offering high-end V6/leather/Bose Altimas and at the same time offering a watered down base SE Max that actually undercut the Altima's upper end pricing. It both caused massive amounts of model identity confusion and yanked my beloved SE from its King-of-the-Hill Maxima status. Very sad.

I'm not sure that Nissan has learned their lesson, either. I'm actually thinking the Max would be better served long term by eliminating this new "S" trim level and leaving the sub $30k market to the Altima. Wouldn't bother me at all, as an SV w/ Sport Package is all that interests me anyway (unless a "real" SE/SE-R sport model was introduced!!!) There ain't no cloth upholstered sub-$30k TL for the Max to compete with anyway - the only thing the S competes with is the Altima. The only rational thing that Nissan could be thinking is that they feel this Max is so good that the street price will no longer need to be subsidized as it has been, which will help keep $25k (street) "stripper" Maximas from becoming competition to the Altima.

[jwaters943]

As someone else stated, the Accord is considered a large car by the EPA when not equipped w/ a moonroof. Here are some interior capacity figures for comparison:

2008 Nissan Maxima:
103.6 cu ft (w/out moonroof)

2008 Nissan Altima:
100.7 cu ft (does not state if this is w/ or w/out moonroof on Nissan's website)

2009 Nissan Maxima:
99 cu ft (w/out moonroof)

2008 Honda Accord:
106 cu ft (w/out moonroof)

...clearly Nissan wanted to make the new Maxima smaller, and thus, sportier. Only time will tell if that's what buyers are after. :)

[bb700092]

It's for those who wants a V6 in a large/ mid-size car but only want to spend $25k.

lol... they want to spend only $25k for an Altima, and not $1500 more for a Maxima. Do such morons exist in reality?

[bb700092]

As someone else stated, the Accord is considered a large car by the EPA when not equipped w/ a moonroof. Here are some interior capacity figures for comparison:

2008 Nissan Maxima:
103.6 cu ft (w/out moonroof)

2008 Nissan Altima:
100.7 cu ft (does not state if this is w/ or w/out moonroof on Nissan's website)

2009 Nissan Maxima:
99 cu ft (w/out moonroof)

2008 Honda Accord:
106 cu ft (w/out moonroof)

...clearly Nissan wanted to make the new Maxima smaller, and thus, sportier. Only time will tell if that's what buyers are after. :)

The 2008 Accord has 101 cu ft interior volume with moonroof. The 6th gen Maxima, by default, comes with the skyview which cannot be opened but whose cover can be removed. I am not sure if getting the skyview or moonroof makes any difference to the interior volume of the 6th gen Maxima and even if it does, by how much. Couldn't find the interior volume with moonroof anywhere. But shouldn't we compare the interior volume of the Accord with moonroof to that of the 6th gen Maxima? If we do so, the interior volume of the Accord is less than that of the 6th gen Maxima. At least that is what Honda does in its website if you do a competitve comparison between the 2008 Accord and the 2008 Maxima (scroll way down to the "dimensions" here http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/compare/results-overview.aspx?ModelName=Accord+Sedan&ModelYear=2008&AICGroupNum=4999&AICNum1=23067&AICNum2=23167&LastState=%2Ftools%2Fcompare%2Fselect-competitor-similar.aspx%3FModelName%3DAccord%2BSedan%26ModelY ear%3D2008%26AICGroupNum%3D4999%26AICNum1%3D23067% 26AICNum2%3D23167%26LastState%3D&Filter=&Mode=&Photo=&Change=). And the Maxima is considered a midsize sedan. :)

[RHMax]

lol... they want to spend only $25k for an Altima, and not $1500 more for a Maxima. Do such morons exist in reality?

If there's a way to break down Altima sales by trim level, I'd guess most V6 were sold for $23-25k; versus $26-29k for Maxima.

[RHMax]

The 2008 Accord has 101 cu ft interior volume with moonroof. The 6th gen Maxima, by default, comes with the skyview which cannot be opened but whose cover can be removed. I am not sure if getting the skyview or moonroof makes any difference to the interior volume of the 6th gen Maxima and even if it does, by how much. Couldn't find the interior volume with moonroof anywhere. But shouldn't we compare the interior volume of the Accord with moonroof to that of the 6th gen Maxima? If we do so, the interior volume of the Accord is less than that of the 6th gen Maxima. At least that is what Honda does in its website if you do a competitve comparison between the 2008 Accord and the 2008 Maxima (scroll way down to the "dimensions" here http://automobiles.honda.com/tools/compare/results-overview.aspx?ModelName=Accord+Sedan&ModelYear=2008&AICGroupNum=4999&AICNum1=23067&AICNum2=23167&LastState=%2Ftools%2Fcompare%2Fselect-competitor-similar.aspx%3FModelName%3DAccord%2BSedan%26ModelY ear%3D2008%26AICGroupNum%3D4999%26AICNum1%3D23067% 26AICNum2%3D23167%26LastState%3D&Filter=&Mode=&Photo=&Change=). And the Maxima is considered a midsize sedan. :)

Only because the combined interior and trunk volume is less than 120 cu.ft.; and 6th gen came in at 119.1 cu.ft. However, if you were to remove all the carpet and headliners, it would exceed the 120 cu.ft. standard.

Avalon in 121.3, and Camry is 116.4; both w/o sunroof.

I think 7th gen would be about 110-112 cu.ft, allowing roughly 15 cu.ft. for trunk. I haven't seen the trunk volumn yet.

[bb700092]

If there's a way to break down Altima sales by trim level, I'd guess most V6 were sold for $23-25k; versus $26-29k for Maxima.

If you go to any big city in US with a number of Nissan dealers, like Atlanta, Orlando, etc., you will easily get a base 2008 Maxima SE for $24k-$25k after all incentives/discounts. And that is not the bottom. Nissan is now offering only $2500 cashback on the Max. During parts of 2007, they were offering $3000 cashback which I assume they will again do from July 2008 once the 2009 Max reaches the dealerships.

[gizzsdad]

I've asked my dealer, and he says they sell very few V6 Altimas (less than 10%). Most people will pay up and buy the Maxima.

I also suspect we may see the interior volume number adjusted. It's hard to believe that taking an inch and half out of the wheelbase and rear seat leg room drops the volume that much.

[RHMax]

If you go to any big city in US with a number of Nissan dealers, like Atlanta, Orlando, etc., you will easily get a base 2008 Maxima SE for $24k-$25k after all incentives/discounts. And that is not the bottom. Nissan is now offering only $2500 cashback on the Max. During parts of 2007, they were offering $3000 cashback which I assume they will again do from July 2008 once the 2009 Max reaches the dealerships.

Do you drive a bare bone SE?

[RonSteinbach]

Here are the interior dimensions of the 2009 Maxima vs. the 2007-2008:

The 2009 Maxima is 1/2" lower, the trunk is 1.3 cu. ft. smaller, the front head room is 1.6" less, the rear headroom is 0.9" less.

The front hip room is 0.1" less, the rear hip room is 0.9" less. The front leg room is 0.1" less, and the rear leg room is 1.9" less.

I am not sure that I like the above numbers, especially the front headroom being 1.6" less. If those numbers are correct, it appears that a lot of potential buyers won't fit into the 2009 Maxima!

[bb700092]

Do you drive a bare bone SE?

How does it matter what I drive? Fact is a fact irrespective of what I or you drive.

[Madmaster]

Here are the interior dimensions of the 2009 Maxima vs. the 2007-2008:

The 2009 Maxima is 1/2" lower, the trunk is 1.3 cu. ft. smaller, the front head room is 1.6" less, the rear headroom is 0.9" less.

The front hip room is 0.1" less, the rear hip room is 0.9" less. The front leg room is 0.1" less, and the rear leg room is 1.9" less.

I am not sure that I like the above numbers, especially the front headroom being 1.6" less. If those numbers are correct, it appears that a lot of potential buyers won't fit into the 2009 Maxima!

The rear leg room decrease is also fairly substantial. I hope this thing outdrive the Altimas considerably. If this is the 4DSC I hope for a 6 speed manual in the future as well.

[bb700092]

Is Nissan going to stay with this Maxima body design for the 2010 diesel model?

[RHMax]

How does it matter what I drive? Fact is a fact irrespective of what I or you drive.

It does when it comes to determining whether an average Maxima buyer buys a base model or with some options.

[bb700092]

It does when it comes to determining whether an average Maxima buyer buys a base model or with some options.

Are you trying to say no one buys the base Maxima SE? If you have a number for the base Maximas sold as a % of the total number of Maximas sold in any given year from a trusted source (not hearsay), then please let me know.

Also, what is an "average Maxima buyer"?

In any case, a base 2008 Maxima SE costs only about $1000-$1500 more than a base 2008 Altima SE (3.5 V6) after all rebates/incentives. Check out at Edmunds if you don't believe me. There should not be any argument regarding this.

[jwaters943]

Is Nissan going to stay with this Maxima body design for the 2010 diesel model?

Yes, why wouldn't they?

[JerryG]

I've asked my dealer, and he says they sell very few V6 Altimas (less than 10%). Most people will pay up and buy the Maxima.



Depends on what the buyer is looking for.

In 07-08, if you wanted 4DSC that was Altima SE, not Maxima SE.

Better handling, better engine, and available 6-spd manual.

Two years later and the scales may be shifting.



I hope this thing outdrive the Altimas considerably.


The V-6 models would be the only logical comparison.

Similar size/weight, similar engine, same basic platform.

What exactly would make one expect the new Maxima to outdrive the 4th gen Altima SE considerably , particularly in 6spd form?

[jwaters943]

"Outdrive" does not necessarily mean "outaccelerate". Personally, I would be disappointed (and a bit suprised) if the new Maxima didn't outhandle the Altima, especially with Nissan's bold statements that they enginered the new Maxima to be the best FWD sport sedan on the market.

FWIW, the new Max is physically smaller than the current Altima. It also offers 19" wheels w/ summer tires, a wider track, larger brakes, a more aggressive suspension (tuned on the Nurburgring), new steering system w/ quicker steering ratio (similar to the 350Z), a revised CVT w/ sport mode(s) & paddle shifters, etc. True, the Max will likely weigh a bit more than a comparable Altima due to addt'l luxury features, etc., but the 25 additional horsepower should help even out the power-to-weight ratio.

Only time will tell if the Max "considerably" outhandles/outdrives the Altima. I, for one, have my fingers crossed. ;)

[RHMax]

Are you trying to say no one buys the base Maxima SE? If you have a number for the base Maximas sold as a % of the total number of Maximas sold in any given year from a trusted source (not hearsay), then please let me know.

Also, what is an "average Maxima buyer"?

In any case, a base 2008 Maxima SE costs only about $1000-$1500 more than a base 2008 Altima SE (3.5 V6) after all rebates/incentives. Check out at Edmunds if you don't believe me. There should not be any argument regarding this.

Average price paid per Maxima is probably a better way of putting it, with or without options.

[RHMax]

"Outdrive" does not necessarily mean "outaccelerate". Personally, I would be disappointed (and a bit suprised) if the new Maxima didn't outhandle the Altima, especially with Nissan's bold statements that they enginered the new Maxima to be the best FWD sport sedan on the market.

FWIW, the new Max is physically smaller than the current Altima. It also offers 19" wheels w/ summer tires, a wider track, larger brakes, a more aggressive suspension (tuned on the Nurburgring), new steering system w/ quicker steering ratio (similar to the 350Z), a revised CVT w/ sport mode(s) & paddle shifters, etc. True, the Max will likely weigh a bit more than a comparable Altima due to addt'l luxury features, etc., but the 25 additional horsepower should help even out the power-to-weight ratio.

Only time will tell if the Max "considerably" outhandles/outdrives the Altima. I, for one, have my fingers crossed. ;)

Maybe the 7th gen will only be marginally outhandles/outdrives than the Altima, but it would be better appointed. A good trade off?

[RonSteinbach]

I'm disappointed!

The 2009 Maxima will be smaller than the 2004 - 2008 Maximas, and smaller than the new Altima. I have been driving my Maximas and cars slightly larger for the past 20 years. Why should I go back to a small car?

I don't understand Nissan. After 20 years, I want a car equally as comfortable and equally as large. The same goes for equipment on the car. Plus, I want a faster car, better handling, and better fuel economy.

Nissan made the 2009 Maxima wider, but by pushing out the wheels. The interior width is a little narrower.

Nissan's decision is illogical. I believe the decision will cost a lot of sales in the long run. The design is great, but I don't want a G-37 sized car. It is too small for my tastes. Instead of the Maxima being a step up, it is a step down (in size). It won't be a 4-door sports car, no matter what label is sand blasted onto the rear quarter window. The Honda Accord has grown significantly, the Toyota Avalon is larger than the 2004 - 2008 Maxima, and Nissan downsizes and abandons satisfied owners of the previous generation Maxima.

The 2009 Maxima should have been the new Altima! And, the new Maxima should have been larger than the current Maxima to compete with the Avalon. Instead, Nissan has a swell looking niche market car that will sell worse than the current Maxima.

I don't want a Murano, as my wife has one. So, when it is time for a new car, I will shop all the brands! Nissan is giving me no alternative.

Wait for the media articles. I believe the media will come to the same conclusion.

[RHMax]

I'm disappointed!

The 2009 Maxima will be smaller than the 2004 - 2008 Maximas, and smaller than the new Altima. I have been driving my Maximas and cars slightly larger for the past 20 years. Why should I go back to a small car?

I don't understand Nissan. After 20 years, I want a car equally as comfortable and equally as large. The same goes for equipment on the car. Plus, I want a faster car, better handling, and better fuel economy.

Nissan made the 2009 Maxima wider, but by pushing out the wheels. The interior width is a little narrower.

Nissan's decision is illogical. I believe the decision will cost a lot of sales in the long run. The design is great, but I don't want a G-37 sized car. It is too small for my tastes. Instead of the Maxima being a step up, it is a step down (in size). It won't be a 4-door sports car, no matter what label is sand blasted onto the rear quarter window. The Honda Accord has grown significantly, the Toyota Avalon is larger than the 2004 - 2008 Maxima, and Nissan downsizes and abandons satisfied owners of the previous generation Maxima.

The 2009 Maxima should have been the new Altima! And, the new Maxima should have been larger than the current Maxima to compete with the Avalon. Instead, Nissan has a swell looking niche market car that will sell worse than the current Maxima.

I don't want a Murano, as my wife has one. So, when it is time for a new car, I will shop all the brands! Nissan is giving me no alternative.

Wait for the media articles. I believe the media will come to the same conclusion.

The rear door of the camoed car look shorter than 04-08. I brought that up, but didn't get any response so I thought it was just me. I'm thinking it's about the same size as Altima inside, but with more paddings. The 2" less headroom would mean I can't drive with a cap on. I guess we'll have to wait and read the reviews.

[bb700092]

You are absolutely right, Ron. I had the same expectations and now the same complaints as you do.

[jwaters943]

Unfortunately, you can't please everyone. Go to any car forum on the web (www.acurazine.com (http://www.acurazine.com), www.vwvortex.com (http://www.vwvortex.com), etc.) and you will find current owners who are frustrated/disappointed with the direction the brand is headed. It's human nature to resist change. If you really need something bigger, you must move up to the Infiniti M. I think some of you who are disappointed w/ the interior dimensions should at least sit in the new one before making rash judgements (the new Max is only 5% smaller on the inside, so it's not like it's a HUGE difference).

It seems clear, at least to me, that Nissan is building cars for enthusiasts and not for the geriatric set *cough, Toyota, cough*. They intentially chose to make the Maxima sportier. Will that pay off for them? Who knows. I can only speak for myself by saying that this is the first Maxima in many years that has my interest piqued.

Which leads me to the question at hand; what cars will the new Maxima compete with? It's certainly not as focused on going head-to-head with the Avalon like the current-gen.

In my mind, all of the following are direct competitors:

Acura TL/TL-S:
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/2880-4.jpg

VW Passat CC:
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/3564-4.jpg

....and to a somewhat lesser extent, the Volvo S60, new Mazda 6, Saab 9-3, etc. Essentially, any sporty FWD car in the $30-40k price range. I also see Nissan adding AWD in the near future since most of the competition offers it.

This is just a guess on my part, but by positioning the Maxima as the sportiest sedan in Nissan's lineup, and consequently a return to it's 4DSC roots, it allows Nissan to position the Altima as a direct competitor Sonata, Camry, etc. and make it more softly sprung. The Altima will continue to have more mass-market appeal, while the Maxima will be for the enthusiast not yet ready to step up to the Infiniti G/M.

[jcalabria]

We all really will have to actually sit in one to really know how the car "fits"... the EPA volume does not tell the whole story. My recently departed Volvo S60T5 was rated at only 94.3 ft³, but was subjectively larger and vastly more comfortable than ANY of my Max's, including the 6G.

That said, the high/wide looking console does have me a bit worried about the width of the driver compartment. My size, and the fact that very few seats adjust far back enough for me, tend to make my knees splay outward when I drive, so the larger center console may be an issue - it certainly was in the G35 I test drove. We'll just have to see.

As an official empty-nester, back seat room is not as much of an issue to me as it once was and would be happy to trade some for a car that handles better than than the nausea inspiring 6G.

[NissLover]

As far as head room on the new Max, what was the headroom on an 04-08 Max with a sunroof?

But I don't get this. Everyone was saying before the new Max debuted, the old Max was too big to be a Maxima, but now that Nissan shrunk it everyone is complaining.

[RHMax]

So I guess the 4DSC is now 4 Door Sport Coupe, Eurasian midsize sedan. I hope they suspension is really buttoned down with Teutonic-like chassis.

[RonSteinbach]

As far as head room on the new Max, what was the headroom on an 04-08 Max with a sunroof?


Edmunds gives the front headroom of the '08 Maxima as being 40.1". It is unknown whether that is with the optional sunroof, or the standard fixed glass panel that runs the length of the roof.

When I sit in my '07 with a sunroof, and my power seat is on the bottom, I have about 3" free space above my head. (I really, really detest it when my hair brushes against the headliner.)

The '09 Maxima supposedly has 38.5" with the standard moonroof. The Camry has 37.9"; the Avalon, 38.9"; the Accord, 39.0"; and the Taurus, 39.6".

[RonSteinbach]

The Nissan site gives the headroom on the '08 Maxima as being 40.1" -- with the notation: "(without moonroof)."

Does the fixed glass roof take up less headroom than the moonroof? If so, by how much?

[2K2MaximaSErious]

Unfortunately, you can't please everyone. Go to any car forum on the web (www.acurazine.com (http://www.acurazine.com), www.vwvortex.com (http://www.vwvortex.com), etc.) and you will find current owners who are frustrated/disappointed with the direction the brand is headed. It's human nature to resist change. If you really need something bigger, you must move up to the Infiniti M. I think some of you who are disappointed w/ the interior dimensions should at least sit in the new one before making rash judgements (the new Max is only 5% smaller on the inside, so it's not like it's a HUGE difference).

It seems clear, at least to me, that Nissan is building cars for enthusiasts and not for the geriatric set *cough, Toyota, cough*. They intentially chose to make the Maxima sportier. Will that pay off for them? Who knows. I can only speak for myself by saying that this is the first Maxima in many years that has my interest piqued.

Which leads me to the question at hand; what cars will the new Maxima compete with? It's certainly not as focused on going head-to-head with the Avalon like the current-gen.

In my mind, all of the following are direct competitors:

Acura TL/TL-S:

VW Passat CC:


....and to a somewhat lesser extent, the Volvo S60, new Mazda 6, Saab 9-3, etc. Essentially, any sporty FWD car in the $30-40k price range. I also see Nissan adding AWD in the near future since most of the competition offers it.

This is just a guess on my part, but by positioning the Maxima as the sportiest sedan in Nissan's lineup, and consequently a return to it's 4DSC roots, it allows Nissan to position the Altima as a direct competitor Sonata, Camry, etc. and make it more softly sprung. The Altima will continue to have more mass-market appeal, while the Maxima will be for the enthusiast not yet ready to step up to the Infiniti G/M.

Good call on the Passat CC and Volvo S60. I totally forgot about those, and I think the '09 Max will give them both a run for their money. The TL will still get its sales due to reputation and Honda "fan-boys" inexplicable love for all things boring and mundane. :cool:

Regarding the size issue, as a proud and extremely happy owner of a 5th gen, I am in no way looking at my next car to be bigger or more roomy than what I have now. The only thing that would keep me from seriously considering the 7th Gen Max is my desire for a true RWD sports sedan. But seeing how gas prices are going, I would hold out until Nissan releases specs on the 2010 Maxima Diesel, unless Infiniti plans on putting a Diesel in the G.

[jspagna1]

I think the new Max will be interesting to see in person as I am hoping to when I go to the NYAS this weeked. I have always loved Maximas. I had a 1992 and now have a 2003.
Thinking my daughter starts driving in about a year and maybe will give her the 03 and buy a new one for the wife.
My sister has a 2007 G35X and it's a nice car, but a little too small and too much HP. I think the new Maxima would be just the right blend of space & HP combined.
I just hope I can order a white one with black interior,like my 92 was.

[Lichtronamo]

I too am disappointed by the size reduction in the new Maxima. The new 2009 Maxima is clearly aimed right at the current Acura TL (and also our 2001 Accord, which is our "small" car):

09 Maxima/08 TL
Length : 190.6/189.3
Width: 73.2/72.2
Height: 57.8/56.7
Wheelbase: 109.3/107.9
F-Head Room: 38.5/38.7
F-Hip Room: 53.4/55.6
F-Leg Room: 43.8/42.8
R-Head Room: 36.4/37.2
R-Hip Room: 53.9/53.8
R-Leg Room: 34.6/34.9
Trunk: 14.2/12.5
Sources: Nissan/Edmunds

I know from looking at the current TL that I would consider it too small for my needs. It will be interesting to see what the 2009 TL looks like (in terms of size) given the changes in the 2008 Accord with which it shares its platform.

I'm hoping in the case of the new Maxima, the specs lie. The specs for the 2004 Maxima and Altima were similar, but the Maxima felt much bigger to me when I was shopping. Other than another Maxima or a used M35x, I don't know what I'd look at.

[jwaters943]

I doubt that the current TL will grow by more than 1" inch in any direction. It's already the same general size as the RL.

[reb]

Although I've given up on GM. The new '09 Impala may hold some promise. The Malibu I consider a joke because anyone over about 5'9" would have their head planted on ceiling in the rear. But the Impala should have the room....

[Lichtronamo]

I didn't know the Impala was to be all new for 2009.

There's the G8, but I wasn't too impressed with it after sitting in it in Chicago.

[Darth62]

Just goes to show you: different strokes for different folks.

I'm thrilled by size of the Maxima. And, in fact, I think Nissan has been shrewd in not jumping on the "bigger is better" bandwagon. Honda grew its line of SUVs (Pilot, MDX) and family vehicles (Accord) to darn big to be practical in urban settings. Nissan resisted the urge,and instead gave us more content and better performance.

I test drove the Murano last week. It felt like a midsize car, whereas the Pilot felt like a roadboat. I'll bet the Maxima feels sportier and easier to manuver than the Accord, Camry, Avalon, etc.

[reb]

I didn't know the Impala was to be all new for 2009.

There's the G8, but I wasn't too impressed with it after sitting in it in Chicago.

Here is a link to a pic of '09 Impala, I like what I see:

http://images.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0703_02z+2009_chevrolet_impala+front.jpg

[rennie4]

I hope that is not the impala!

[reb]

I hope that is not the impala!

Why?, its reportedly going to be RWD and I presume have modern traction control.

[Nissan Champ]

I'm glad Nissan has taken a chance with the Maxima.. The vehicle needs something to spark up Nissan sells.. Taking everything in though, if they got this serious about making the Maxima a 4DSC, why didn't they go all the way and make it a RWD. That would be exceptable in everyones eyes. That would really spread the line between the Altima and the Maxima. All the dimension changes would make a lot more sense. "cherry on top"
I'm sure the 09 Maxima will be a far superior performing vehicle, because if it is not, then Nissan will truely have a problem.
As I was reading this thread I came across the 09 Maxima being smaller than the G35, and that was the scary thing for me. I went on a trip to vegas with 4 buddies for the SEMA show. Everyone packed one bag and it was extremely difficult to fit everything in the trunk. On the way back we had to put luggage inside with us. I have always liked the Maxima's size, but I frankly didn't know it was going to be even smaller then an Altima.

[jwaters943]

Why?, its reportedly going to be RWD and I presume have modern traction control.

The RWD Impala is a no-go. GM killed the program due to the upcoming CAFE regulations. The next Impala will continue to be FWD, like the Malibu.

And as for that MotorTrend "rendering" of the Impala (when are they EVER right w/ their renderings?), that pic is nothing but a photoshopped Lexus IS. You can tell by the door handles, the window line/greenhouse shape, the interior headrests and also where the front left hand side of the bumper meets the body panel. They just streched the image and added a new hood, grill and headlights. You can even see that the reflections on the doors and bumper are the same.

http://forum.avtoindex.com/foto/data/media/50/lexus_lexus_is_350_2006_1.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/112_0703_02z+2009_chevrolet_impala+front.jpg

[reb]

nice detective work

[Lichtronamo]

nice detective work

Ditto!!!

[Lichtronamo]

I'm glad Nissan has taken a chance with the Maxima.. The vehicle needs something to spark up Nissan sells.. Taking everything in though, if they got this serious about making the Maxima a 4DSC, why didn't they go all the way and make it a RWD. That would be exceptable in everyones eyes. That would really spread the line between the Altima and the Maxima. All the dimension changes would make a lot more sense. "cherry on top"
I'm sure the 09 Maxima will be a far superior performing vehicle, because if it is not, then Nissan will truely have a problem.
As I was reading this thread I came across the 09 Maxima being smaller than the G35, and that was the scary thing for me. I went on a trip to vegas with 4 buddies for the SEMA show. Everyone packed one bag and it was extremely difficult to fit everything in the trunk. On the way back we had to put luggage inside with us. I have always liked the Maxima's size, but I frankly didn't know it was going to be even smaller then an Altima.
I think the size of the 09 Maxima gives credibility to those who say there is no purpose for the car between the Altima and G35. The specs of the 09 Maxima show it to be basically the same size as the G35(in fact the G is BIGGER in some dimensions), except front wheel drive. At least the 6th generation could be distinguished from the Altima and G35 as a unqiue size, powertrain, content proposition. Depending on how its priced, why not go for the G35?


09 Maxima / 08 G35 (with moonroof)
Length: 190.6/187.0
Width: 73.2/69.8
Height: 57.8/57.2
Wheelbase : 109.3/112.2
F-Head Room: 38.5/39.1
F-Hip Room: 53.4/55.1
F-Leg Room: 43.8/43.9
R-Head Room: 36.4/37.7
R-Hip Room: 53.9/53.7
R-Leg Room: 34.6/34.7
Trunk: 14.2/13.5

[da99]

I think the size of the 09 Maxima gives credibility to those who say there is no purpose for the car between the Altima and G35. The specs of the 09 Maxima show it to be basically the same size as the G35(in fact the G is BIGGER in some dimensions), except front wheel drive. At least the 6th generation could be distinguished from the Altima and G35 as a unqiue size, powertrain, content proposition. Depending on how its priced, why not go for the G35?


09 Maxima / 08 G35
Length: 190.6/187.0
Width: 73.2/69.8
Height: 57.8/57.2
Wheelbase : 109.3/112.2
F-Head Room: 38.5/40.5
F-Hip Room: 53.4/55.1
F-Leg Room: 43.8/43.9
R-Head Room: 36.4/37.7
R-Hip Room: 53.9/53.7
R-Leg Room: 34.6/34.7
Trunk: 14.2/14.0

You are right, it's basically gonna come down to, price and the difference between RWD or FWD. Some may even use the styling as a decider. I'm sure Nissan realizes it can't price this Maxima too close to the G. I also think Nissan may end up giving the G sedan the 3.7 engine and a price bump to boot to push it further away from this Maxima. Then again Nissan didn't even give the 3.7 engine to the new FX so I dunno how likely the G is to get it.

[Nissan Champ]

Yeah.. Those are both good points. I guess I just really wanted to like the the New Maxima. I think a fully loaded model maybe a wonderfull car though. I love the ala 09 Murano moonroofs. That's something the G doesn't have. I just really expected bigger. One of the cars I drive now is a 07 BMW 335i, and if I get the G35 it will be to close in car. I wanted a different experience. Nissan is more technical with their options. I like to feel like I'm in a cockpit, with a lot of controls. Plus I don't think the G has cooling seats. I love the fun of RWD. It's just too bad Nissan didn't go that way. I like the look of the 09 Maxima. I don't like the cramped back seat in the 335i. My 4yr. old daughters feet, almost knees, hit my front seat. I'm just very confused. I guess I just have to wait until the Maxima comes out to decide.:caged:

[Lichtronamo]

I'm just very confused. I guess I just have to wait until the Maxima comes out to decide.:caged:
I'm with you there and I too REALLY want to like this car.

And, what about the range topping diesel? How does that fit in?

Nissan was selling more than 60K units/year of the 6th generation, which is good volume. The TL sells around the 60K unit/year mark too, so I don't see what Nissan gains from this except potentially canabalizing G35 sales. Making the Maxima the same, if a bit bigger than the Altima with a larger price tag seemed more logical to me.

Strange that the Altima and Maxima can ride the same wheelbase, yet the Maxima ends up so much smaller both in the rear seat and trunk. The 2009 appears to be somewhere between the 3rd and 4th generation cars in terms of rear seat room and trunk space.

[bb700092]

I think the size of the 09 Maxima gives credibility to those who say there is no purpose for the car between the Altima and G35. The specs of the 09 Maxima show it to be basically the same size as the G35(in fact the G is BIGGER in some dimensions), except front wheel drive. At least the 6th generation could be distinguished from the Altima and G35 as a unqiue size, powertrain, content proposition. Depending on how its priced, why not go for the G35?


09 Maxima / 08 G35
Length: 190.6/187.0
Width: 73.2/69.8
Height: 57.8/57.2
Wheelbase : 109.3/112.2
F-Head Room: 38.5/40.5
F-Hip Room: 53.4/55.1
F-Leg Room: 43.8/43.9
R-Head Room: 36.4/37.7
R-Hip Room: 53.9/53.7
R-Leg Room: 34.6/34.7
Trunk: 14.2/14.0

If those measurements are correct, then did you guys notice something? The length, width and height of the 09 Maxima are greater than those of the 08 G35. But both the front and rear head, hip and leg rooms are less in the 09 Maxima than the 08 G35. The rear hip room and trunk are larger but only by 0.2. With more height and width, I would have expected the front head room to be larger. Where did all the space go?

[jwaters943]

To me it seems pretty obvious where all the passenger room went just by looking at the pics.

First, the Maxima may be longer overall than the G, but it has a shorter wheelbase which decreases legroom in the passenger compartment. Second, the center console is pretty wide which should help give the driver a sportier, more wraparound feel, but may eat into the available hip room. Third, exterior car measurements are always taken at the widest point in any given direction. Take the width for instance, the widest part on the car is the front and rear fenders. The center of the car (e.g. the cabin) is actually fairly narrow.

With that said, people should always take measurements with a grain of salt. I've been in cars with nearly identical measurements on paper, yet in person one car can "feel" much bigger or better suited to my frame than the other car.

[RonSteinbach]

Did anyone notice that the rear sonar buttons are missing from the rear bumper of the '09 Maxima? And, I don't see it listed as an option, either. My wife's '07 Murano has the rear video, but it is much less helpful than the rear sonar on my '07 Maxima.

Whenever a car salesman tries to sell me a car with less equipment than the one I am driving, I am tempted to ask, "What kind of an idiot are you??" In the future, I am going to ask the question. And, to the Nissan employees who read this forum, I am asking the same question! And, my comment is,"Please, don't take away features from the car I am driving. That is the kiss of death." You can add features, but taking away features loses you lots of customers.

Why should I buy a 2009 or 2010 Maxima? I can't think of any reasons. The '09 was overhyped and most readers of this forum have come to the same conclusion. There is now no reason for the Maxima to exist. Nissan should just scrap the car, and place the Altima name on it. The '09 simply is not going to be a sports car. The G is the same size and much better handling. The '09 Maxima is just plain inferior.

I never thought I would be writing his, but that is how I feel. Nissan needs to get better feedback from its Maxima customers. They probably gave it to some research company with their idiotic questions. Like, which of 12 imitation suede leather seat materials can be conned on their customers. Answer: they are all terrible and they look terrible. (I was recently on a focus group that dealt with that issue for an unknown manufacturer. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Tata as the upholstery fabrics were so terrible.)

I bought my '04 and '07 Maximas for the larger size and comfort than the G-35. The "cockpit" feel means that the drivers seat is going to be cramped. That is how I read it.

The '09 Maxima needs something to attract buyers. A Sentra sized sports sedan isn't going to cut it. The '09 Maxima certainly is not a near-luxury sedan. I don't know what it is, but I believe Nissan made a colossal mistake. This is what happens when too many inexperienced people try to run a car company! I lay the blame at closing the southern California office and losing too many good people. Instead, Nissan has undoubtedly hired layoffs from other car companies, people that helped run those companies into the ground!

[RHMax]

I lay the blame at closing the southern California office and losing too many good people. Instead, Nissan has undoubtedly hired layoffs from other car companies, people that helped run those companies into the ground!

This is enitrely possible since Goshen said that the Altima has taken the sport sedan role and Maxima is going bigger and more luxurious; but then this 4DSC thing happened to 7th gen. I would wait until for reviews or see it for myself before I would really comment; but my 18-year run with Nissan could come to a hault.

[reb]

VDC is now standard and that may play into the loss of rear interior space.

[jwaters943]

Why would VDC take up rear passenger space?

[jcalabria]

VDC is now standard and that may play into the loss of rear interior space.

How is that? A yaw and steering angle sensor plus some computer code don't take up much room. Everything else in VDC system is pretty much standard ant-lock brake hardware. Loss of space is directly from shortening of wheelbase.

BTW, anybody know if standard VDC means standard full size spare?

[JerryG]

I'm disappointed!

The 2009 Maxima will be smaller than the 2004 - 2008 Maximas, and smaller than the new Altima. I have been driving my Maximas and cars slightly larger for the past 20 years. Why should I go back to a small car?


The 2009 Maxima that I saw is larger than the current Maxima. Think of the size increase in the Honda Accord from 2007 to 2008. The 2009 Maxima is similar in size to the Toyota Avalon.

Will the real 2009 Maxima please stand up? :rolleyes:

[RHMax]

How is that? A yaw and steering angle sensor plus some computer code don't take up much room. Everything else in VDC system is pretty much standard ant-lock brake hardware. Loss of space is directly from shortening of wheelbase.

BTW, anybody know if standard VDC means standard full size spare?

All wheels would have to be the same diameter, so it's likely.

[RHMax]

Will the real 2009 Maxima please stand up? :rolleyes:

:p

[Lichtronamo]

Where's Tried or Maxtima when you need them??? I have dangerous thoughts of Pontiac G8s circling in my head!!!

Tried must have opened the door at one point and could probably give us an idea about the rear seat room...

[da99]

I for one am from the "bigger isn't always better" school of thought. Personally upon seeing the new Maxima, I felt it was a perfect size for ME. Of course each of us is going to be different in what our needs are. Perhaps it's best if all of us just wait until we can sit in and drive the new Maxima before making a decision about it.

[Darth62]

All wheels would have to be the same diameter, so it's likely.

First of all, nearly every vehicle sold on the road with VDC has a temp spare. This includes the entire Infiniti line as well as every other vehicle made by Nissan (Altima, Murano, etc). In fact, nearly every Honda vehicle comes with VDC standard and NONE have a full time spare. So, the idea that a car must have a full time spare to have VDC is not correct.

Second, the Maxima has a trunk size that is almost as big as the M35. There is no way Nissan accomplished that while have a floor that is high enough to accomdate a full spare.

I'm about 99% sure it will be a donut.

[Darth62]

If those measurements are correct, then did you guys notice something? The length, width and height of the 09 Maxima are greater than those of the 08 G35. But both the front and rear head, hip and leg rooms are less in the 09 Maxima than the 08 G35. The rear hip room and trunk are larger but only by 0.2. With more height and width, I would have expected the front head room to be larger. Where did all the space go?

Those measurements are not correct. For one thing, the Maxima headroom is WITH sunroof and the Also, the trunk is 13.5, a lot which is not usable (sort of oddly shaped with a high liftover).

I will be very suprised is the Maxima doesn't "feel" more roomy inside.

I respect those who wanted a bigger car, but I doubt that is Nissan's target auidence. Toyota doesn't sell that many Avalons for a reason. There simply isn't that much demand for larger FWD sedans.

Maximas, in the past, have always been about offering content and sporty performance (for a FWD) that was on par with high level sedans. The way to differentiate it from the Altima is to give it more features and better performance - NOT to make it larger.

And, the way to differentiate it from a G35 is to make it easier to live with and more practical (better MPG, rear seats that fold, fwd, etc). So, you an have your cake and eat it too.

Nissan now has sedans that fit a wide profile of buyers. I'd call that smart marketing and product development.

[JerryG]

First of all, nearly every vehicle sold on the road with VDC has a temp spare. This includes the entire Infiniti line as well as every other vehicle made by Nissan (Altima, Murano, etc).

Unless I'm recalling incorrectly, every 4th gen Altima with VDC had the full size spare included as part of that option ($900). Whether VDC requires that I couldn't say, but perhaps that explains why those two were coupled?

If there are other Nissan/Infiniti models that contradict that (ie use donut with VDC), then it remains an unexplained odd combo on the Altima.

[Lichtronamo]

I respect those who wanted a bigger car, but I doubt that is Nissan's target auidence.

What are you talking about - I own a Maxima - don't you think Nissan wants me to buy another?


Toyota doesn't sell that many Avalons for a reason. There simply isn't that much demand for larger FWD sedans.

Toyota's Avalon sold 72,945 units in 2007 and 88,938 units in 2006. For comparision, Acura's TL sold 58,545 units in 2007 and 71,348 units in 2006. Maxima sales in 2007 and 2006 were 52,574 units and 68,763 units respectively. I'm not going to try and find the retail sales numbers for the Impala and Lucerne, but they probably are higher than the TL. Nissan doesn't intend the Maxima to regain the +/- 120K unit volume the generations prior to the 6th generation had because of size/content of the Altima taking out the entry level Maxima trim.

[drakutis]

First of all, nearly every vehicle sold on the road with VDC has a temp spare. This includes the entire Infiniti line as well as every other vehicle made by Nissan (Altima, Murano, etc). In fact, nearly every Honda vehicle comes with VDC standard and NONE have a full time spare. So, the idea that a car must have a full time spare to have VDC is not correct.

Second, the Maxima has a trunk size that is almost as big as the M35. There is no way Nissan accomplished that while have a floor that is high enough to accomdate a full spare.

I'm about 99% sure it will be a donut.

The Xterra has a full size spare as well as the Pathfinder, believe me I know because I got a flat at 12 midnight last June in my Xterra.

[Tried]

Where's Tried or Maxtima when you need them??? I have dangerous thoughts of Pontiac G8s circling in my head!!!

Tried must have opened the door at one point and could probably give us an idea about the rear seat room...

I'm 5 11. If I adjust the front seat comfortably, I can still sit in the rear seat comfortably. There will be a bit of difficulty if you have really huge feet, though. But knee room was more than sufficient.

I've sat in the vehicle, and by no means is it cramped. Everything is within reach, and it's very comfortable. One thing I hated about my Titan was that if I wanted to tune the radio manually, I had to lean 1/2 way over the entire vehicle.

Bigger does not equal better.

[JerryG]

What are you talking about - I own a Maxima - don't you think Nissan wants me to buy another?



I'm 6ft and I owned a 4th gen Maxima which was big enough for my needs. If the 7th gen had increased in size over the 6th gen, I would not have been that interested.

I guess those in the bigger-is-better camp will have to buy M's or Avalons. :p

[InfiNissan Lover]

This is for all of you who are asking about VDC and the rear space.

I have an '08 Maxima SL with the VDC option and not only did I get a full sized spare tire, but the trunk space of the car shrunk from a 15.5 cubic foot trunk to a 14.7 cubic foot trunk.

Is it enough of a drop in size for me to notice? Visually yes, but in term of usable space, no. There is a little hump in the trunk due to the full sized spare though.

I have read (and the Nissan dealer from where I bought the car told me the same thing) that the VDC system needs the weight of the full sized spare tire to make accurate calculations (don't ask me why) for the car's intended sense of direction. I was told that if the full sized spare was replaced with a donut then, the VDC would not operate properly. If my memory serves me correctly; I do recall reading something like that in the owner's manual as well.

If shrinking the car was such an issue for Nissan then they should have just shrunk the car 1 inch instead of shrinking it 1.9 inches.

I also have to agree with Ron on omitting features a prior generation had from a new generation and about the backup sensors. My 2008 Maxima has backup sensors too and they do help a heck of a lot more than a rear backup camera would or could.

However, I will reserve any negative comments I could have about this 2009 Maxima upon after I sit in it and test drive it.

[reb]

Why would VDC take up rear passenger space?

Well, now you know what I was thinking.

[reb]

"I will be very suprised is the Maxima doesn't "feel" more roomy inside."

Not a chance.......I saw the car in person.

[InfiNissan Lover]

By the way, in some pictures posted from the Tokyo Auto Show I could have sworn I saw two versions of a JATCO 7-speed automatic on display. One was a RWD application now intented for use in the new Infiniti FX and upcoming Infiniti G and M vehicles.

Also, I do believe there was a FWD model that I am sure will be intended for use in the 2010 diesel versions of the Maxima and quite possibly the Murano. If Nissan actually puts a CVT in the diesel Maxima then I will truly be impressed by them and the CVT. If a CVT can handle the torque capabilities of a turbo-diesel engine then maybe the CVT isn't the stupid contraption we all thought of it to be.

I truly like the driving dynamics of the CVT in my 2008 Maxima, but I do catch myself many times missing a conventional automatic with its gears. I just miss that hard bite of acceleration that only a stepped transmission can give you.

However, I love the engine braking properties of the CVT and I very rarely have to use my car's brakes unless if in an emergency situation or if I want to come to a complete stop. The CVT dissipates a lot of heat from that function. If only Nissan could use that heat to make some kind of hybrid CVT or something. Why let all that heat energy go to waste? If the CVT makes so much heat then I say, "Use It!" :)

[reb]

I have two issues with the CVT. First is I do not like the performance when the CVT is cold (and worse when cold outside). The engine holds higher RPM until the system warms up for too long a period. In the cold weather with snow/icy roads, the high RPM's make for lousy traction. Second, when cruising on the HWY over 60mph the RPM are much higher than a conventional lock-up overdrive AT. Gas mileage suffers because of this. I personally would never buy a CVT equipt car ever again.

[Lichtronamo]

I'm 5 11. If I adjust the front seat comfortably, I can still sit in the rear seat comfortably. There will be a bit of difficulty if you have really huge feet, though. But knee room was more than sufficient.

I've sat in the vehicle, and by no means is it cramped. Everything is within reach, and it's very comfortable. One thing I hated about my Titan was that if I wanted to tune the radio manually, I had to lean 1/2 way over the entire vehicle.

Bigger does not equal better.

Cool: I'm 5'-9", so this should be doable. With my height, cars like the G8 feel 1/2 size too big (could be that city bus like steering wheel) and the reach to primary controls like the center stack and gear shift too far away. These specs mirror the Acura TL, BMW 5-Series as well as the G35. The rear seat of the first two are comfortable, if not spacious.

One thing about the specs is that the don't tell is the comfort level. GM was notorious for putting a short cusion low in the rear compartment to increase both leg room and headroom. The specs said that there was a lot of room, but it was by no means comfortable. Conversely, the back seat in the TL is comfortable if a bit claustrophobic. The pictures of the 2009 Maxima make the rear seats comfortable and some of the features like the 2nd sunroof panel and rear audio controls suggest Nissan intended it to be a decent space in which to spend time.

Guess we'll find out in about 2-3 months. Neither C/D or Automobile had anything in their May issues re: the 2009 Maxima. I wouldn't expect MT to after blowing the GT-R embargo.

[JerryG]

I have two issues with the CVT. First is I do not like the performance when the CVT is cold (and worse when cold outside). The engine holds higher RPM until the system warms up for too long a period. In the cold weather with snow/icy roads, the high RPM's make for lousy traction.



If the slightly higher RPMs were enough to cause "lousy traction" under snowy conditions, shouldn't the TCS be kicking in? Did you notice the SLIP light blinking alot under this scenario?


Second, when cruising on the HWY over 60mph the RPM are much higher than a conventional lock-up overdrive AT. Gas mileage suffers because of this.
I personally would never buy a CVT equipt car ever again.

I don't think I've ever seen a worse case of buyer's remorse. :eek:

[drakutis]

I going to take a day trip with a buddy tomorrow to the auto show to see the Maxima and the others. The auto show in DC is so tired. I want to see what real auto show is like! I found some really low gas prices in NJ. It should be fun. Can't wait to see it!!!!

[da99]

"I will be very suprised is the Maxima doesn't "feel" more roomy inside."

Not a chance.......I saw the car in person.

Wait, you are gonna judge how a car may or may not "feel" more roomy inside because you saw it from 5ft away just the same as I did? Not for nothing, but perhaps it's best we reserve judgement on the "feel" of the interior until we can actually sit inside one.

[Lichtronamo]

I going to take a day trip with a buddy tomorrow to the auto show to see the Maxima and the others. The auto show in DC is so tired. I want to see what real auto show is like! I found some really low gas prices in NJ. It should be fun. Can't wait to see it!!!!

I go to Chicago every year to see the latest/greatest. I imagine the DC show is like our Minneapolis version with some of last years concepts and lots of dealers wandering the floor. I'm sure it will be worth the trip.

[Darth62]

What are you talking about - I own a Maxima - don't you think Nissan wants me to buy another?.

There are lots of drivers here who own the previous verisons of the Maxima, all of which were smaller in size to the current. Do you think Nissan would like them to buy another?




Toyota's Avalon sold 72,945 units in 2007 and 88,938 units in 2006. For comparision, Acura's TL sold 58,545 units in 2007 and 71,348 units in 2006. Maxima sales in 2007 and 2006 were 52,574 units and 68,763 units respectively. I'm not going to try and find the retail sales numbers for the Impala and Lucerne, but they probably are higher than the TL. Nissan doesn't intend the Maxima to regain the +/- 120K unit volume the generations prior to the 6th generation had because of size/content of the Altima taking out the entry level Maxima trim.

I'm not sure comparing sales from a "premium" make to Toyota makes much sense. Toyota has many more dealers than Acura. In most major markets, Toyota dealers outnumber Acura dealers by about six or seven to one. Likewise, Buick and Chevy. And, in fact, a base Avalon could be had for about $27,000. You couldn't touch a TL for that money. So, no concidence that the Avalon outsells the TL.

How many equivalently priced Camrys did Toyota sell? How many equivalently priced Accords did Honda sell? All else being equal, the mid-sized FWD'ers badly outsell the larger models.

Let me be clear, however. I am not making light of your desire for a larger car. I can certainly appreciate that each driver has their own needs. I just don't think Nissan is going to lose a lot of buyers by going a bit smaller.

[Darth62]

Unless I'm recalling incorrectly, every 4th gen Altima with VDC had the full size spare included as part of that option ($900). Whether VDC requires that I couldn't say, but perhaps that explains why those two were coupled?

If there are other Nissan/Infiniti models that contradict that (ie use donut with VDC), then it remains an unexplained odd combo on the Altima.

The Murano uses the donut with the VDC, and has since the last generation. And, as I said, the same is true for every Infiniti (none of which have a full spare), every Honda, and every Acura. Infiniti's used to have the option of a full size spare (and a reduction in trunk size) but no longer offer it.

There is basically no correlation between VDC and spares. Many cars come available with VDC and have a temp spare.

But, it should be noted that ordering VDC in either the Altima or last generation Maxima did get you a full size spare. So, I can understand the confusion about this issue.

[jcalabria]

I have two issues with the CVT. First is I do not like the performance when the CVT is cold (and worse when cold outside). The engine holds higher RPM until the system warms up for too long a period. In the cold weather with snow/icy roads, the high RPM's make for lousy traction. Second, when cruising on the HWY over 60mph the RPM are much higher than a conventional lock-up overdrive AT. Gas mileage suffers because of this. I personally would never buy a CVT equipt car ever again.

I have never noted any temperature related variations in CVT operation. It'll do its normal "skip-shift" trick and let the motor torque its way up the hill @1500 rpm leaving my house dead cold in the morning. I may not have experience with it in sub-zero temps, but there are plenty of 15-18 degree winter mornings around here.

Also, the CVT has a taller overall top gear ratio than either the 5AT or 6MT and cruises at lower revs:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d142/jcalabria/07%20Maxima/Ratios.jpg
That said, steady state hwy cruising is not the CVT's forte... top gear is top gear no matter how many gears there are below that, plus the CVT does add some parasitic losses that it's lower engine speed at steady cruise cannot entirely compensate for.

[RonSteinbach]

How a person fits in a particular car depends upon two measurements: your leg length and your torso height (from the bottom of your butt to the top of your head). My trouser inseam (i.e., pants length) is 29". (A 30" inseam usually drags on the ground, or just about.) A friend of mine wears 34" length. I am 5' 9 1/2" inches, my friend is 6' 2". So, I sit as tall in a car as my friend who is 4 1/2" taller. So, like most taller persons, I need headroom. As a consequence, I always have my seats adjusted as low as they will go. My friend needs legroom as well as headroom.

I can tell you that driving or riding in a car where your hair brushes the headliner is not comfortable. Legroom has never been a problem for me in cars because of my short legs.

I am surprised that Tried only used his height to illustrate room in the car. I would be interested in knowing his pants length and how far down on the back of the shoe he wears them. I wear pants where it comes about 1/2" above the top of the heel. I realize that some people wear them dragging on the ground, so that has to be considered. If you have two people who are both 6' tall, one might find a car comfortable, and another, unbearable.

As to the width of the '09 Maxima, no one denies that it is about 2" wider. So, when I saw the '09 Maxima on the freeway about 6 months ago, it looked larger (because of the added width). The length is hard to judge from driving along side for 30 seconds.

When the '09 Maxima comes out, I will be among the first to sit in one as well as drive it. Other than expressing my grave doubts, I will withhold further comment until I can test drive the car.:D

P.S. to Tried: Was the rear sonar dropped from the '09 Maxima? If it was, I believe a lot of buyers will be disappointed.

[da99]

If they did eliminate the sonar, would that really be such a big deal? After all wasn't the sonar system an OPTION on the 2008? If it was a standard feature and Nissan dropped it on the new one, I can understand being upset about it, but dropping a feature that was an option, I can deal with. Granted it doesn't seem right that the older car had this option and the newer one doesn't, but it appears we are getting other options (rearview monitor) to replace the lost one. Is the sonar system really that much better then the rearview system? I have no experience with either system so those of you that have, if you don't mind could you share your feelings on which system you like/prefer and why?

[RonSteinbach]

Is the sonar system really that much better then the rearview system? I have no experience with either system so those of you that have, if you don't mind could you share your feelings on which system you like/prefer and why?
I have the sonar on my '07 Maxima, and my wife has the rearview camera on her '07 Murano. The camera is essentially worthless in my opinion, and my wife agrees with me. The sonar gives you an audible warning. The camera just gives you a picture -- but there is a blind spot. Some examples: you are backing out of a parking space and someone backs out at the same time. You might not see it on the camera, but the sonar will sound to alert you. Sometimes people see you backing but drive by fast anyway hoping that you don't hit them. The sonar will sound. With the camera, you look at it and then proceed to back. Your vision doesn't allow two views at the same time so that you would see the flash of the other vehicle driving by.

The problem with manufacturers is they don't do their home work. They need to do studies with customers who have experience with two vehicles with the differing systems. I think these decisions are too often made on a whim. "Gee, a color backup camera really is a neat system. We will drop the sonar. Plus, our customers can brag that they have a color, backup camera on their navigation screen."

I realize that bragging rights do sell some vehicles, such as a car salesman telling me that a woman customer wanted to buy a SUV that was taller than her neighbor's. So, she opted for the 4-wheel drive model which was raised up higher! And, some buy a red or black washer/dryer pair that matches their car in the garage. However, the majority of car buyers are fairly sophisticated.

[da99]

Thanks Ron, that makes a lot of sense. I don't think the decision to swap out the sonar for a camera was done on a whim. The decision may have something to do with the pending regulations (Cameron Gulbransen Kids and Cars Safety Act of 2007) that will soon require vehicles to have such a camera system standard. Maybe what would work better is a combo system that would give you the best of both worlds, a sonar system with a back up camera to boot.

[RHMax]

The Murano uses the donut with the VDC, and has since the last generation. And, as I said, the same is true for every Infiniti (none of which have a full spare), every Honda, and every Acura. Infiniti's used to have the option of a full size spare (and a reduction in trunk size) but no longer offer it.

There is basically no correlation between VDC and spares. Many cars come available with VDC and have a temp spare.

But, it should be noted that ordering VDC in either the Altima or last generation Maxima did get you a full size spare. So, I can understand the confusion about this issue.

Spare has to be the same diameter with stock wheels/tires not to throw the wheel sensor off. Doughnut spare will be fine, plus save some weight too. I only said likely because most cars I know with a VDC-type system have full spare.

[RHMax]

I have the sonar on my '07 Maxima, and my wife has the rearview camera on her '07 Murano. The camera is essentially worthless in my opinion, and my wife agrees with me. The sonar gives you an audible warning. The camera just gives you a picture -- but there is a blind spot. Some examples: you are backing out of a parking space and someone backs out at the same time. You might not see it on the camera, but the sonar will sound to alert you. Sometimes people see you backing but drive by fast anyway hoping that you don't hit them. The sonar will sound. With the camera, you look at it and then proceed to back. Your vision doesn't allow two views at the same time so that you would see the flash of the other vehicle driving by.

The problem with manufacturers is they don't do their home work. They need to do studies with customers who have experience with two vehicles with the differing systems. I think these decisions are too often made on a whim. "Gee, a color backup camera really is a neat system. We will drop the sonar. Plus, our customers can brag that they have a color, backup camera on their navigation screen."

I realize that bragging rights do sell some vehicles, such as a car salesman telling me that a woman customer wanted to buy a SUV that was taller than her neighbor's. So, she opted for the 4-wheel drive model which was raised up higher! And, some buy a red or black washer/dryer pair that matches their car in the garage. However, the majority of car buyers are fairly sophisticated.

I also agree that sonar is better than camera. You can look elsewhere and still here the sonar if objects get in the way.

[christophersmith0341]

The camera is just a guide to be used with you looking around also. I find the camera very usefull when backing into parking spaces perfectly the first time, even in between the lines. I think the "all around view" which comes with sonar detection with a visual is probably going to be the best system for now. It gives you distance sensing at all four corners and a visual.

[Tried]

Those specs haven't been released yet, so I can't say.

[Darth62]

Spare has to be the same diameter with stock wheels/tires not to throw the wheel sensor off. Doughnut spare will be fine, plus save some weight too. I only said likely because most cars I know with a VDC-type system have full spare.

That was my point. Most cars with VDC-type systems don't have a full spare. Once again, the Nissan Murano, All Infiniti vehicles, all Honda and Acura vehicles, most Toyota vehicles, Subarus, most GMs, Fords, and Chrysler products come with something like VDC and a donut.

I've been driving an Acura TSX for 5 years that has a donut and VDC. We also have an Infiniti G35 sedan with a donut and VDC. My neighbor's Honda Accord is the same.

From what I can see, you listed exactly two vehicles that bundle a full with VDC (the earlier generations of the Altima and Maxima). I know of no other vehicles made by any company that bundle VDC and a full time spare, and there are dozens of vehicles that are sold with VDC and a donut.

I also agree with Ron above that deleting the sonor sensor (providing that Nissan really did that) is a step back. For comparisons sake, both a camera and a distance sensor are available for the Accord and TL.

These are completely unrelated issues.

That said, I'd love it if the new Maxima does bundle a full size spare and VDC. I hate donuts.

[drakutis]

That was my point. Most cars with VDC-type systems don't have a full spare. Once again, the Nissan Murano, All Infiniti vehicles, all Honda and Acura vehicles, most Toyota vehicles, Subarus, most GMs, Fords, and Chrysler products come with something like VDC and a donut.

I've been driving an Acura TSX for 5 years that has a donut and VDC. We also have an Infiniti G35 sedan with a donut and VDC. My neighbor's Honda Accord is the same.

From what I can see, you listed exactly two vehicles that bundle a full with VDC (the earlier generations of the Altima and Maxima). I know of no other vehicles made by any company that bundle VDC and a full time spare, and there are dozens of vehicles that are sold with VDC and a donut.

I also agree with Ron above that deleting the sonor sensor (providing that Nissan really did that) is a step back. For comparisons sake, both a camera and a distance sensor are available for the Accord and TL.

These are completely unrelated issues.

That said, I'd love it if the new Maxima does bundle a full size spare and VDC. I hate donuts.

The Xterra and Pathfinder have full size spares.

[jcalabria]

That said, I'd love it if the new Maxima does bundle a full size spare and VDC. I hate donuts.

Even if they do, and even if they put it on an alloy wheel (which the 6Gs w/ full size spare do have), it will be worthless (other than being safer than a donut) because they cheaped out and didn't put a TPMS sensor in it. Still can't fathom why they would bother with the alloy wheel if they prevent it from really being used by not putting in a TPMS sensor. If they were going to cheap out, they might as well have gone all the way and used a steel wheel. With the price of tires these days, it would be nice to be able to do a 5 tire rotation.

[RonSteinbach]

Maybe Tried can answer these questions.

Are their any standards for measuring interior volume, head room, leg room, etc.? Do the manufacturers do their own measurements? If so, what stops them from cheating or puffing their measurements?

What are the various means to increase the numbers? I can think of a few: cutting the back seats out to increase head room, making the back rests of the front seats thiner, or carving out some of the upholstery.

My point is that numbers don't always tell the entire story. I have sat in the M and the feel is much tighter than on my '07 Maxima. (The old VW bug is a good example of a very small car that fits a surprising array of body types. The roof line was high and arched, and the seat height was high, which equated into a large number for the front leg room and front head room.)

Hopefully, the '09 Maxima won't feel that much smaller.

[Lichtronamo]

Interesting that you bring it up, Ron, as I read somewhere in the Nissan materials that the front seatbacks were made thinner to increase rear legroom.

Look at the contours of the rear seats in the 2009 Maxima vs. the 2008 TL and you can see where you'd rather spend time. Notice how deep the rear seats in the Maxima are?

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/Lichtronamo/New-1-2.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2008/Acura/2008.acura.tl.20130919-E.jpg

[jcalabria]

Interesting that you bring it up, Ron, as I read somewhere in the Nissan materials that the front seatbacks were made thinner to increase rear legroom.

Look at the contours of the rear seats in the 2009 Maxima vs. the 2008 TL and you can see where you'd rather spend time. Notice how deep the rear seats in the Maxima are?

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd306/Lichtronamo/New-1-2.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/2008/Acura/2008.acura.tl.20130919-E.jpg

Yep... Putting short lower seat cushions is a common trick to give the visual illusion of more rear seat leg room (even though the butt-to-knee dimension might suck). The Max seats do look reasonably deep and leg room still OK... but you really have no idea where the front seats are set.

[Lichtronamo]

... but you really have no idea where the front seats are set.

It looks like at least the driver's seat is pretty far back given the backrest is behind the B-pilar.

[RonSteinbach]

Despite my criticisms, I may well buy a 2010 diesel Maxima. But, it better drive like a sports car. :D The interior photo is encouraging.

By the way, does anyone have measurements for the 2002 Maxima? That is what my wife used to have and the size was adequate.

[Lichtronamo]

Here are the numbers for the 2009 and 2003:

09 Maxima/03 Maxima
Length: 190.6/191.5 -0.9 shorter
Width: 73.2/70.3 +2.9 wider
Height: 57.8/56.7 +1.1 taller
Wheelbase: 109.3/108.3 +1.0 longer
F-Head Room: 38.5/40.5 -2.0 less
F-Hip Room: 53.4/55.3 - 1.9 less
F-Leg Room: 43.8/43.9 -0.1 less
R-Head Room: 36.4/37.4 -1.0 less
R-Hip Room: 53.9/53.7 +0.2 more
R-Leg Room: 34.6/36.2 -1.6 less
Trunk: 14.2/15.1 -0.9 less

Definately smaller, especially in rear seat room (assuming consistent measurements).

[Nissan Champ]

I'm really hoping the 09 max handles like a dream. Looking at all the dimension changes, it's clear that is the way Nissan is going. I just hope they didn't give up too much comfort to make everything else better.
One thing for sure though, I work at a Nissan dealership, and every single customer that has looked at the current Maxima is unhappy with it. Some with the gas MPG "stupid reason in my opinion." Others with the way it looks. Not that they think it's ugly, but they think the Altima looks so much better.
The discussion between the rear sonar and the back camera is a good one as well. I have found that customers are way more, not a little, way more impressed with the back up camera. The 09 Murano's back up cam has an extra feature that has a box that moves every time you turn the steering wheel allowing for perfect parking. I hope the 09 maxima will have the same system. The Altima doesn't have this feature, which will allow for further separation between the max and the altima.
Sometimes we over think things in our forum, as we should. I think Nissan is going somewhere with the New Maxima though. Lets give them a chance to explain themselves a 100% with the finished product. So far all we have are dimensions and pictures. Lets see the car in action, then we can turly comment.

[bb700092]

The 2009 Altima will also get some of the upgrades the 2009 Maxima is getting. It has already been two years since the current gen Altima was introduced. I am waiting to see how much real difference in substance lies between the 2009 Maxima and 2009 Altima after both arrive at the dealership.

Looks are always personal preference. If some people liked the looks of current Altima more than that of the 07-08 Maxima, then some will also like the looks of the 2009 Altima more than that of the 2009 Maxima.

[Darth62]

The Xterra and Pathfinder have full size spares.

Most traditional body-on-frame SUVs do have full size spares.

I'm not sure what you point is though since I never mentioned either vehicle.

The issue being discussed was whether cars with a donut can have stability control. I pointed
out that there are dozens of cars on the road that have a temp spare and offer VDC, including
the Murano, the entire Honda line, most Toyotas, the entire Acura line, most domestic makes,
etc.

[Darth62]

Maybe Tried can answer these questions.

Are their any standards for measuring interior volume, head room, leg room, etc.? Do the manufacturers do their own measurements? If so, what stops them from cheating or puffing their measurements?

What are the various means to increase the numbers? I can think of a few: cutting the back seats out to increase head room, making the back rests of the front seats thiner, or carving out some of the upholstery.

My point is that numbers don't always tell the entire story. I have sat in the M and the feel is much tighter than on my '07 Maxima. (The old VW bug is a good example of a very small car that fits a surprising array of body types. The roof line was high and arched, and the seat height was high, which equated into a large number for the front leg room and front head room.)

Hopefully, the '09 Maxima won't feel that much smaller.

I have to say that I agree with you completely. Numbers don't tell the story. My head crashes into the roof of the G35, but seems to fit fine in the cars (like my TSX) that have similar head room on paper.

[jwaters943]

The 2009 Altima will also get some of the upgrades the 2009 Maxima is getting. It has already been two years since the current gen Altima was introduced. I am waiting to see how much real difference in substance lies between the 2009 Maxima and 2009 Altima after both arrive at the dealership.

Looks are always personal preference. If some people liked the looks of current Altima more than that of the 07-08 Maxima, then some will also like the looks of the 2009 Altima more than that of the 2009 Maxima.

The current Altima was introduced in the Fall of 2006 as a 2007 model (e.g. 18 months ago). Going off of Nissan's prior history, the Altima is not due to get a facelift (mid-model refresh) until late 2009 for the 2010 model year. The 2009 might have a couple additional features or new colors, but nothing significant.

[Nissan Champ]

http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/spy_shots_production_nissan_intima.jpg

I was surfing the web and came across these pics of the Production Nissan Intima. Could it be this is the next Infiniti Q, or could it be that Nissan made the Maxima smaller to fit this larger vehicle into the line up?

Here is the source http://www.egmcartech.com/2008/03/31/spy-shots-production-nissan-intima-spotted-speculations-of-a-beijing-debut/

[Lichtronamo]

The Intima is probably the Asian only replacement for the Teana, which was always a more luxurious car than the US Maxima. The concept had Teana cues all over it. It probably shares the "D" platform with the Maxima and Altima, however. The concept car was decidedly front wheel drive judging by the overhangs.

[Madmaster]

gM said the RWD Impala has been cancelled - at least for now, as has a GTO.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

I feel this new Max better Drive and handle awesome for it to survive its new smaller size and it needs to match it's new sporty duds. Otherwise this car might die. I think this is a great looking design, and I would hate to see it flop. It's fate seems to be in the handling/drive.

Just give us the 6-speed manual option.....please!

[drakutis]

Most traditional body-on-frame SUVs do have full size spares.

I'm not sure what you point is though since I never mentioned either vehicle.

The issue being discussed was whether cars with a donut can have stability control. I pointed
out that there are dozens of cars on the road that have a temp spare and offer VDC, including
the Murano, the entire Honda line, most Toyotas, the entire Acura line, most domestic makes,
etc.

They both have VDC, Plus if you think about it, A donut spare wouldn't work on these vehicles.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

They both have VDC, Plus if you think about it, A donut spare wouldn't work on these vehicles.

My 2007 Si has a system simailar to the VDC. It has a Donut for a spare. But here is the kicker...

If I have a flat tire up front, I have to remove a wheel from the rear to put up front and place the donut on the rear. The donut CANNOT be used up front.

[jcalabria]

My 2007 Si has a system simailar to the VDC. It has a Donut for a spare. But here is the kicker...

If I have a flat tire up front, I have to remove a wheel from the rear to put up front and place the donut on the rear. The donut CANNOT be used up front.

Doesn't the Si have an HLSD? Tire size differential (no pun intended) wouldn't make it happy at all.

[Lichtronamo]

I know the new 2009 Maxima is wider overall due to the flared fenders, but I wonder how wide the main part of the body is at the doors compared to the 08???

[Darth62]

They both have VDC, Plus if you think about it, A donut spare wouldn't work on these vehicles.

This is still not relevant to the point. I never said that there were NO vehicles with VDC and a full size spare, nor did I say that all vehicles (including SUVs) had donuts. I simply said that there are many cars with donuts and VDC so that it cannot be true that VDC and donuts can't co-exist.

Appreciate your input, but your countering an argument nobody made.

[Darth62]

My 2007 Si has a system simailar to the VDC. It has a Donut for a spare. But here is the kicker...

If I have a flat tire up front, I have to remove a wheel from the rear to put up front and place the donut on the rear. The donut CANNOT be used up front.

Whow. That is just twisted. Imagine having to do that on the side of a very busy highway!

I hope that the next gen Maxima has a full size spare available. I HATE temp spares.

[MrSilvia]

The Intima looks like a FWD sedan and will definitely not be the replacement for the Q.

Nissan, I know you read these boards...

So why did you give the Maxima a CVT and no manual option and call it a 4DSC??? A DSG system derived from the GT-R would've been better, and for cryin out loud, A 6-SPEED MANUAL. What about the new 7-speed Automatic? Any of these transmissions would have been preferible to a CVT, they work great, but don't belong in a "sports car"

Why did you make it FWD and not give it an ATTESA AWD system???

There's still not enough to differentiate the Maxima from the Altima, if they would do this stuff^^^ it would help legitamize the Maxima's position above the Altima and its 4DSC moniker.

The new Maxima does look great though.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

Doesn't the Si have an HLSD? Tire size differential (no pun intended) wouldn't make it happy at all.

Sure does.

It has Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA®) with Helical Limited-Slip Differential.

[Lichtronamo]

The Intima looks like a FWD sedan and will definitely not be the replacement for the Q.

Nissan, I know you read these boards...

So why did you give the Maxima a CVT and no manual option and call it a 4DSC??? A DSG system derived from the GT-R would've been better, and for cryin out loud, A 6-SPEED MANUAL. What about the new 7-speed Automatic? Any of these transmissions would have been preferible to a CVT, they work great, but don't belong in a "sports car"

Why did you make it FWD and not give it an ATTESA AWD system???

There's still not enough to differentiate the Maxima from the Altima, if they would do this stuff^^^ it would help legitamize the Maxima's position above the Altima and its 4DSC moniker.

The new Maxima does look great though.

Given its apparent size, if they added any of the stuff you suggest it would trample all over the G35's market position.

[Nissan Champ]

Given its apparent size, if they added any of the stuff you suggest it would trample all over the G35's market position.

Yes, it would make it better, but some people, if not the majority, will not look at a Maxima because it is a Nissan. A lot of the G35 buyers buy it because of the name. You could make the Maxima perform better then the best BMW M5, and people would still not buy it because of the Nissan name plate. Just look at the GTR.. It's killing everything in its class and some people are still talking S*&t.
Another example. In this same forum, go under us in the infiniti section, they are complaining already. Their is a thread on the max vs. the M35, not the G35.
Please Nissan, take a chance with the Maxima. Make it a true 4DSC with RWD or AWD and a good transmission, not a CVT. It's a nice transmission, but does not belong in a sports car. It's not a fun transmission.
Let me put it to you this way.. My 86 yrs. old Grandma thinks it's very nice. Yeah that screams 4DSC.

[Lichtronamo]

Yes, it would make it better, but some people, if not the majority, will not look at a Maxima because it is a Nissan. A lot of the G35 buyers buy it because of the name. You could make the Maxima perform better then the best BMW M5, and people would still not buy it because of the Nissan name plate. Just look at the GTR.. It's killing everything in its class and some people are still talking S*&t.
Another example. In this same forum, go under us in the infiniti section, they are complaining already. Their is a thread on the max vs. the M35, not the G35.
Please Nissan, take a chance with the Maxima. Make it a true 4DSC with RWD or AWD and a good transmission, not a CVT. It's a nice transmission, but does not belong in a sports car. It's not a fun transmission.
Let me put it to you this way.. My 86 yrs. old Grandma thinks it's very nice. Yeah that screams 4DSC.

Asking for it to be RWD at this point is moot given that its on the "D" platform - best case scenario is that hte 2010 diesel will have the AWD system used in the Murano.

I don't see the threat to the M given the size of the new Maxima. The specs suggest its the same size as the TL or 5-Series.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

A lot of the G35 buyers buy it because of the name.

I feel the G basically sells becuse of what it is, a a great balanced rwd performance vehicle. Not because of it's name. Its a bargain 3 series so to speak. Now take the same G cars, put Lexus logos and on it and place all of them at a lexus dealer, then they would prob double in sales.

I just don't feel Infiniti G sales benefit yet becaus of it's Infiniti name alone.

[Montmax]

What are you talking about - I own a Maxima - don't you think Nissan wants me to buy another?




Toyota's Avalon sold 72,945 units in 2007 and 88,938 units in 2006. For comparision, Acura's TL sold 58,545 units in 2007 and 71,348 units in 2006. Maxima sales in 2007 and 2006 were 52,574 units and 68,763 units respectively. I'm not going to try and find the retail sales numbers for the Impala and Lucerne, but they probably are higher than the TL. Nissan doesn't intend the Maxima to regain the +/- 120K unit volume the generations prior to the 6th generation had because of size/content of the Altima taking out the entry level Maxima trim.Actually production of the Max went way down in 02 to about 90K units and 83K for 03...... and since low production has been the Max. Since 02 Nissan intentionally cut production of the Max because of potential higher Level Altima sales (added feateures to the Max not available on the Alti such as avail. memory seats, heated steering wheel etc) and it has remained that way since. Even if Nissan were to make 120K units from 01 and prior I don't think that they would sell without huge discounts.... Just way to much good competition out there now.

[Lichtronamo]

4DSC and all, the Maxima was always the "big" Nissan sedan. Smaller than a domestic large sedan, but definately comparable to the bigger Japanese cars. This new 7th generation car seems to be a departure, basically sizing in like one of the mid-size European cars (5-Series or A6). I saw a G35 parked next to a 5-Series today and they're almost the same size too. Nissan can always separate the G from the Maxima by droping the 3.7L into the sedan to increase the powertrain difference along with the driven wheels. Still, I'm anxious to see this new Maxima and whether it stays on my shopping list with a 10 cubic foot drop in interior volume.

[Lichtronamo]

Actually production of the Max went way down in 02 to about 90K units and 83K for 03...... and since low production has been the Max. Since 02 Nissan intentionally cut production of the Max because of potential higher Level Altima sales (added feateures to the Max not available on the Alti such as avail. memory seats, heated steering wheel etc) and it has remained that way since. Even if Nissan were to make 120K units from 01 and prior I don't think that they would sell without huge discounts.... Just way to much good competition out there now.

I generalized too much saying the previous generation Maxima. You're right, the intentional canabilzation of Maxima volume started in 2002 when the 3rd generation Altima debuted.

[JerryG]

Make it a true 4DSC with RWD or AWD and a good transmission, not a CVT. It's a nice transmission, but does not belong in a sports car. It's not a fun transmission.


Obviously, that's why Nissan added the "sport" mode to the Max CVT. How successful that is remains to be seen until one has the chance to drive it.

IMO, with the 09 downsizing if you gave the Max a stepped trans and RWD you basically have a G35. Having said that, I would rather have a good stepped trans over the CVT for this type of car.

I happen to think the 09 Maxima looks better than the G35, but that is entirely subjective.

[RHMax]

4DSC and all, the Maxima was always the "big" Nissan sedan. Smaller than a domestic large sedan, but definately comparable to the bigger Japanese cars. This new 7th generation car seems to be a departure, basically sizing in like one of the mid-size European cars (5-Series or A6). I saw a G35 parked next to a 5-Series today and they're almost the same size too. Nissan can always separate the G from the Maxima by droping the 3.7L into the sedan to increase the powertrain difference along with the driven wheels. Still, I'm anxious to see this new Maxima and whether it stays on my shopping list with a 10 cubic foot drop in interior volume.

My 6th gen is parked next to an '06 5-series every night. The overall length looks within an inch of each other, but the wheelbase of the 5 looks about 3 inches longer (never bothered to check the actual specs). The intrusion of the engine and transmission make the 5 a whole lot less spacious inside. But keeping most of the weight between the wheels makes it a great handling car.

I actually use the 5 as a bench mark as I modify my Max's suspension.:)

[da99]

Asking for it to be RWD at this point is moot given that its on the "D" platform - best case scenario is that the 2010 diesel will have the AWD system used in the Murano.


Therein lies my gripe... if they are going to give the Maxima AWD, why not do it across the board on all models? Why keep it exclusive to the diesel? Granted I understand it makes sense due to the enormous amount of torque the diesel will have, but still wouldn't it make more sense to have it across the board for all models? In terms of cost, I'm sure it would be more cost effective to spread out the AWD to as many models/trims as possible right? There are many of us who are not interested in the diesel, but would love to have AWD on a plain old gasoline powered Maxima. Count me among those many.

[bb700092]

The current Altima was introduced in the Fall of 2006 as a 2007 model (e.g. 18 months ago). Going off of Nissan's prior history, the Altima is not due to get a facelift (mid-model refresh) until late 2009 for the 2010 model year. The 2009 might have a couple additional features or new colors, but nothing significant.

By the time the 09 Altima reaches the dealership, it will be 2 yrs from the start of the new generation, not "e.g. 18 months".

I believe the facelift in the 09 Altima will be as significant as the difference between the 2006 and 2007 Maxima. The Altima will have to keep up with the new Accord which is vying for the first spot and was introduced one year later than the current Altima. Of course, what is significant and what is not is a personal thing, no point arguing over that. The entire transmission, among other things, of the Maxima was changed in 07 from 06 -- I do not know if that counts as significant to you or not.

Even if the Altima gets the facelift in 2010, I guess most people will wait till 2010 to buy the Maxima since it is never advisable to purchase a car in the first year of a new generation, and they will get a chance to compare the facelifted Altima V6 with the 7th gen Maxima.

[Nissan Champ]

Asking for it to be RWD at this point is moot given that its on the "D" platform - best case scenario is that hte 2010 diesel will have the AWD system used in the Murano.

I don't see the threat to the M given the size of the new Maxima. The specs suggest its the same size as the TL or 5-Series.

Here is the link to that thread.
http://forums.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=181205

[bb700092]

Here is the link to that thread.
http://forums.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=181205

Nice thread, thanks. I was looking for what the Infiniti G and M owners thought about the 09 Maxima. Hope there will be more opinions once the G/M owners actually test drive the 09 Maxima.

[jwaters943]

By the time the 09 Altima reaches the dealership, it will be 2 yrs from the start of the new generation, not "e.g. 18 months".

I never said that. Re-read what you said and the read what I said in response to you. (I've taken the liberty of quoting your prior post below).

It has already been two years since the current gen Altima was introduced


The current Altima was introduced in the Fall of 2006 as a 2007 model (e.g. 18 months ago). Going off of Nissan's prior history, the Altima is not due to get a facelift (mid-model refresh) until late 2009 for the 2010 model year.

My point was that yours seems to be a case of wishful thinking. You aren't overly thrilled with the Maxima so you're doing your best to portray the Altima in a more favorable light. The Altima is a good car, but it's too soon to say that the refreshed Altima will be a better car or value than the not yet released Maxima, or even that it will get some features from the Maxima (which it probably will, but it's too soon to say). A refresh is 18 months away for the Altima. If it were going to be out in 6 months there would be spy shots by now. I don't know why anyone would be so invested in predicting what feature content the Altima may or may not have in the future. The Maxima is the top dog, so to speak, of Nissan's sedan lineup. It's feature content and pricing reflect that. The Altima may catch up feature-wise with the new Maxima, but then a couple years later Nissan will refresh the Maxima and increase it's feature content further.

[bb700092]

I never said that. Re-read what you said and the read what I said in response to you. (I've taken the liberty of quoting your prior post below).

My point was that yours seems to be a case of wishful thinking. You aren't overly thrilled with the Maxima so you're doing your best to portray the Altima in a more favorable light. The Altima is a good car, but it's too soon to say that the refreshed Altima will be a better car or value than the not yet released Maxima, or even that it will get some features from the Maxima (which it probably will, but it's too soon to say). A refresh is 18 months away for the Altima. If it were going to be out in 6 months there would be spy shots by now. I don't know why anyone would be so invested in predicting what feature content the Altima may or may not have in the future. The Maxima is the top dog, so to speak, of Nissan's car lineup. It's feature content and pricing reflect that. The Altima may catch up feature-wise with the new Maxima, but then a couple years later Nissan will refresh the Maxima and increase it's feature content further.

The Altima is in not more but the most favorable light, irrespective of what I am trying to portray it as, simply because it has been chosen as the top mid-priced sedan by Consumer Reports. The 09 Maxima is yet to achieve that feat even though it has achieved that already in your heart and mind even though you have not even sat in it or even (most probably) seen it in person, forget about driving it. So if mine is wishful thinking, I am at a loss of words to describe your thinking.

It is good you are thrilled about the 09 Maxima and Nissan will be happy to have customers like you. Unfortunately, I am not too thrilled yet by what I have seen and there is no question of being thrilled until I test drive it myself. Sorry, if you or Nissan is disappointed by my attitude towards the 09 Maxima, but I can assure you, you won't be able to change it. So better not waste your time.

I am not sure what you mean by "The Maxima is the top dog, so to speak, of Nissan's car lineup.", because to me it seems the Maxima has comparable hp/torque to the Altima V6, is smaller than the Altima, and only has a few more features than the Altima because it is a more recent model. If it is priced even a couple of grands more than the comparably equipped Altima V6, Nissan will have only one customer -- you. Best of luck with your 09 Maxima!

[Lichtronamo]

My 6th gen is parked next to an '06 5-series every night. The overall length looks within an inch of each other, but the wheelbase of the 5 looks about 3 inches longer (never bothered to check the actual specs). The intrusion of the
09 Maxima 08 528i Length 190.6 191.1 Width 73.2 72.7 Height 57.8 57.8 Wheelbase 109.3 113.7 Weight
3505.0 F-Head Room 38.5 37.7 F-Leg Room 43.8 41.5 R-Head Room 36.4 37.0 R-Leg Room 34.6 36.0 Trunk 14.2 14 engine and transmission make the 5 a whole lot less spacious inside. But keeping most of the weight between the wheels makes it a great handling car.

I actually use the 5 as a bench mark as I modify my Max's suspension.:)

Here are your specs:

09 Maxima/08 528i
Length: 190.6/191.1 Width: 73.2/72.7
Height: 57.8/ 57.8
Wheelbase: 109.3/113.7
F-Head Room: 38.5/37.7
F-Leg Room: 43.8/41.5
R-Head Room: 36.4/37.0
R-Leg Room: 34.6/36.0
Trunk: 14.2/14.0

[RHMax]

Here are your specs:

09 Maxima/08 528i
Length: 190.6/191.1 Width: 73.2/72.7
Height: 57.8/ 57.8
Wheelbase: 109.3/113.7
F-Head Room: 38.5/37.7
F-Leg Room: 43.8/41.5
R-Head Room: 36.4/37.0
R-Leg Room: 34.6/36.0
Trunk: 14.2/14.0

Thanks.

Front head and leg room seems good; but short on the rear leg room. I guess the front head room isn't bad compare to 6th gen.

[RHMax]

I wonder what happened to A35!

[Tried]

Me too!

[ab16]

So what’s the turn radius? I see the front fenders look like they are flared; do you think they used that to correct their too long turn radius?

[dseag2]

Nice thread, thanks. I was looking for what the Infiniti G and M owners thought about the 09 Maxima. Hope there will be more opinions once the G/M owners actually test drive the 09 Maxima.

I'm an M owner who saw the '09 Maxima at the Dallas Auto Show yesterday. IMO it is a gorgeous car. I went with my G/F, who has an FX, and one of my buddies. We all noticed the Max on the turntable and were mesmerized by it. If it is a fun drive, I would seriously consider it when my M lease is up. I was thinking of going with a 2010 M, but after seeing what Infiniti has done to the FX I'm not going to hold my breath. (We were as appalled by the '09 FX as we were crazy about the '09 Max.)

FYI, I owned an '06 Max. It was a decent car, but the fit/finish wasn't anywhere near Infiniti M quality. The orange guages and plastic "aluminum" were pretty bad. Looks like Nissan has changed that for '09. Nissan interiors are starting to look like the current Infinitis and Infinitis (EX and '09 FX) are starting to move even more upscale. Nissan/Infiniti finally figured it out.

[RonSteinbach]

So what’s the turn radius? I see the front fenders look like they are flared; do you think they used that to correct their too long turn radius?

My first car was a 1955 Ford Customline. The turning circle was 41.2 feet! The other dimensions were:

1955 Ford Fairlane Crown Victoria: Specifications
General Wheelbase (in.)
115.5 Overall length (in.)198.5 Overall width (in.)75.9 Overall height (in.)59.0 Tread, front (in.)58.0 Tread, rear (in.)56.0 Ground clearance (in.)6.5

The more things change, the more they remain the same! I thought you would appreciate this automotive history. The engines, you ask?

1955-1956 Ford Fairlane Crown Victoria: Engines (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine.htm)
1955
Type/cidbore x stroke bhp @ rpm c.r. carb availability
I-6, 223.0 3.62 x 3.60 120 @ 4,000 7.5:1 1V Standard
V-8, 272.0 3.62 x 3.30162 @ 4,4007.6:1 2V
Optional V-8, 272.03.62 x 3.30182 @ 4,4008.5:1 4V
Optional V-8, 292.03.75 x 3.30193 @ 4,4008.1:1 4V
Optional *V-8, 292.03.75 x 3.30198 @ 4,4008.5:1 4V
Optional **V-8, 292.03.75 x 3.30205 @ 4,4008.5:1 4V


Information from: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1955-1956-ford-fairlane-crown-victoria5.htm