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gt_performah
03-31-2008, 05:21 PM
MURRIETA, Calif. - When the light starts to flash, you had better have the cash.

That's the reality for millions of subprime borrowers whose used car purchase is contingent upon having an unusual option: a little box mounted underneath the dashboard that forces them to make their payments on time.

A light on the plastic box flashes when a payment is due. If the payment isn't made and the resulting code punched in to reset the box, the vehicle won't start. The next step is a visit from the repo man.

As tighter credit crunches consumers, it seems business can only get better for Sekurus, a company based in this suburb east of Los Angeles. It's among several companies that market such devices.

"We're just starting to see that," says Sekurus CEO Mike Simon, as the potential market of an estimated 7 million subprime auto borrowers continues to swell.

The device helps stave off default, a growing problem. Car and truck repos this year are predicted to hit the highest level in at least a decade, according to Manheim, a wholesale auto-auction service.

As more dealers look for ways to protect themselves, Simon says privately held Sekurus has grown at a 30% clip in recent years. Revenue goal this year: $20 million.

A forerunner company to Sekurus was founded in 1995 to sell anti-theft devices for cars based on radio-frequency identification, or RFID, technology. But within a couple of years, lenders had another idea: Could engineers come up with a device to force car buyers to pay up on time?

Sekurus was founded in 1999 and started selling On Time, as the device is called. It has sold 250,000 at up to $250 each. Most are bought by finance companies or dealers who cater to the most troubled car buyers, those who need basic transportation yet have checkered credit histories.

The box's LED light starts blinking when a payment is nearly due. On deadline day, the unit not only blinks, but beeps. Motorists find it so annoying that it drives "them absolutely nuts," Simon says.

When the customer makes the payment, the lender gives them a six-digit code to enter into the box.

The device lowers default rates for subprime auto loan borrowers that typically run about 30% to about 5%, according to Simon. When default rates fall, lenders feel more secure offering financing for more valuable cars to high-risk customers. By forcing buyers to pay on time, the device also rebuilds their credit record.

Car dealers say most customers aren't thrilled to punch in a code with every payment but grow accustomed to the device.

"We've used it as a tool to keep the repo rates down," says Jeff Hamilton, partner in the family-owned Hamilton Classic Cars in Chester, Va. "We don't have to go after them as much." Most of his customers are required to make payments twice a month, and often wait until the last day, "when it starts beeping at them."

Cedric Brown, a loan specialist at Star Loan Acceptance Center in Clifton Heights, Pa., says he's had a great response. "We are able to help a lot of people who otherwise might not be able to get a vehicle," he says. A few customers, he adds, even grow to like the discipline it enforces.

Car dealers have a choice when it comes to such payment devices.

One Sekurus rival is Pay Technologies in Cleveland, which sells mostly wireless systems. Dealers can access accounts through the Internet and send a message to the device in the car as with a paging system. Again, the car is shut down if payments are not made.

"It's a huge improvement," says President Jim Krueger. He says Pay Technologies started a decade ago with a keypad system "and I can't tell you how many calls we got on the weekends" from customers who lost codes or tried to enter the wrong one.

Another competitor is PassTime USA in Littleton, Colo., which uses a mix of keypad and wireless systems. President Frank Jacobsen says he thinks the credit crunch will "make a difference" in sales, along with payments from the federal economic stimulus package that could boost car buying.
Sekurus is continuing to introduce products. The latest enhancement is coupling the keypad to a global positioning device. Not only will the car's starter automatically shut off, but a message will go to the loan holder with its location to make repossession easier.

Simon says he hopes the new system will give lenders added assurance, allowing more high-risk borrowers to buy better cars.

Interesting.

98s14inaz
04-02-2008, 10:19 AM
...and scary to say the least. How about we educate our teens on how to be responsible consumers while still in high school. I swear the economic classes they take DO NOT prepare them for the real world and the examples their parents set do not help either.

Bumnah
04-03-2008, 11:20 AM
i'll ride a bike before i had something like that installed in my vehicle.

I've worked since 98 to improve my credit score and I finally have a very respectable credit score now. I'll never let my credit fall again. If I went to buy a car and some guy said I had to have this in my car I'd tell him no sale until it's removed.


damn good idea though and i'm sure they'll sell tons....

SouthStar019
04-06-2008, 01:49 AM
one of my friends at work has this in her car. i felt so bad. tho i saw her wasting money left and right. i didnt belive it till. well one of my other friends told me its in there. you live and learn. some just learn earlier. have a car loan rite now hopefully its paid by dec/jan time. and a small school loan. thats not till i graduate.

ClaymanS13
04-21-2008, 10:02 AM
leave it to cali man..haha


bad idea, I perfer to buy repo cars for my projects cuz their cheap...haha althought, I have good credit and actually pay my bills, so i'm not worried about it.

07G35S
04-21-2008, 02:41 PM
i'd be worried about where its going... i mean whats next a governor box for repeat speeders? A window lockout for people who litter? Seems silly to me.. if you're concerned about someone's credit, maybe you shouldn't lend them the money for the car.

M_TYPE_X
04-21-2008, 07:32 PM
if you're concerned about someone's credit, maybe you shouldn't lend them the money for the car.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... how does that make sense? :rolleyes:

SouthStar019
04-24-2008, 05:47 PM
what if they had no credit to begin with? do they still get these boxes?

Not_Vin_Diesel
04-25-2008, 09:16 AM
i'd be worried about where its going... i mean whats next a governor box for repeat speeders? A window lockout for people who litter? Seems silly to me.. if you're concerned about someone's credit, maybe you shouldn't lend them the money for the car.
I was with you until the last sentence. The device is supposedly improving the payability of previously bad payment makers. I say if you're willing to have the device as a condition of purchase due to bad credit, that's on you. Personally, I think it would only inhibit a person's ability to continue to make income to pay the car note however. Situations do come up, even for the best bill payers in which they have to send something in a day late. It would suck to have your car lock up the day before payday, not be able to get to work and then get fired for missing. Not incredibly far fetched as a possibility.

M_TYPE_X
04-25-2008, 09:47 AM
When I spoke of needing innovation in Ohio and Pennsylvania, I don't think this is what I had in mind.

wawazat8402
04-25-2008, 02:30 PM
I was with you until the last sentence. The device is supposedly improving the payability of previously bad payment makers. I say if you're willing to have the device as a condition of purchase due to bad credit, that's on you. Personally, I think it would only inhibit a person's ability to continue to make income to pay the car note however. Situations do come up, even for the best bill payers in which they have to send something in a day late. It would suck to have your car lock up the day before payday, not be able to get to work and then get fired for missing. Not incredibly far fetched as a possibility.

I agree that stuff comes up, however this is for people that have a history of defaulting on loans. If stuff comes up that often, a persons spending habits need to be readjusted.

M_TYPE_X
04-25-2008, 02:32 PM
Sometimes, you gotta physically take away the cookie jar.

07G35S
04-27-2008, 07:26 PM
Well if it comes down to a person choosing to go with the box, why not. They want to do that, go ahead. I'm making a personal statement that if I were the bank and you came in and your credit history didn't support you getting a 45 thousand dollar loan, I just wouldn't give you the loan. I think its silly to think that a person with a horrible credit rating has a HIGHER likelihood of repaying a 45k loan with 14% interest just cause there's a shutdown box in their car.

Not_Vin_Diesel
04-28-2008, 04:02 PM
Well if it comes down to a person choosing to go with the box, why not. They want to do that, go ahead. I'm making a personal statement that if I were the bank and you came in and your credit history didn't support you getting a 45 thousand dollar loan, I just wouldn't give you the loan. I think its silly to think that a person with a horrible credit rating has a HIGHER likelihood of repaying a 45k loan with 14% interest just cause there's a shutdown box in their car.
Right, but there are a lot of people that have a more distant history of credit issues, that may show a better history over a more recent period. Most credit decisions don't take this into account. They look at the score, number of late payments, etc. regardless of when they occurred. This allows someone who is getting back on the right track an opportunity.

RetAF
04-28-2008, 09:31 PM
I think some jurisdictions have resorted to some sort of "drunk detector" to be installed on cars of DUI offenders. Not sure if it is like a breathalizer, or more like a push button coded nanny.

07G35S
04-29-2008, 03:13 PM
I think your credit history score only goes back a few years. So it would have to be rather remote "issues" to affect your score. That is unless the issues are unresolved. I'm sure someone here can give us the concrete specifics.

cdlong
04-29-2008, 05:36 PM
I think some jurisdictions have resorted to some sort of "drunk detector" to be installed on cars of DUI offenders. Not sure if it is like a breathalizer, or more like a push button coded nanny.

they have actual breathalizer ones too.

WhereHaveYouBeen
04-30-2008, 03:55 PM
In Detroit, this would double the amount of cars lying on the side of the road

ShallowPockets
04-30-2008, 04:11 PM
Damn... it's like cutting off your cellphone service if you're late. That's pretty funny.

M_TYPE_X
05-01-2008, 12:45 AM
In Detroit, this would double the amount of cars lying on the side of the road
hacking cough !!!!! ... next time, warn me. :D