Am i dreaming in color?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
Nissan's North American lineup, am i dreaming in color?

NISSAN
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Tino: QG13DE
Sentra: QG18DE, 200SX: SR20VE, SE-R: SR20VET
Altima: 4cyl KA24DE, 6cyl VQ30DE
240SX: KA24VE, KA24VET
Maxima: VQ35DE, SE-R: VQ35DE-R
350ZX: VQ35VE, VQ35DETT

INFINITI
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G20: SR20VE, Touring: SR20DET
I30: VQ35DE
J30: VQ30DET
M30: VQ45DETT 4 Door M5 killer based on GT-R

Skyline
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GT-R: RB30DETT 2 door, bears Skyline name

I dont care much for behemoths (Path, QX4, Frontier, Quest etc...)

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KA24VE? you mean a variable valve lift and timing version of the KA? I'd think they would be better of designing a new all-alloy higher displacement 4-banger than continuing the KA series. My two cents.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
Tino: QG13DE
Sentra: QG18DE, 200SX: SR20VE, SE-R: SR20VET
240SX: KA24VE, KA24VET
350ZX: VQ35VE, VQ35DETT

INFINITI
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G20: SR20VE, Touring: SR20DET
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The Tino (based on the 2k Sentra MS platform) has the QG18DE/SR20DE engine - it needs a bit of grunt to haul that van like body around!

I agree with Yak, the KA24 is at the end of its life.

Forget the 200SX/SE-R Sentra or 2.4L 240SX, Nissan NA should fill that niche with a SR20VE/VET powered S15 Silvia.

Having driven the SR20DE G20 (Primera down here in NZ), a SR20VE (200bhp plus?)version would be a lethal weapon. Bring it on!

And forget calling the Z a 350ZX. Just plain, simple Z covers it perfectly!

[thearabian]

Nissan's North American lineup, am i dreaming in color?

NISSAN
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Tino: QG13DE
Sentra: QG18DE, 200SX: SR20VE, SE-R: SR20VET
Altima: 4cyl KA24DE, 6cyl VQ30DE
240SX: KA24VE, KA24VET
Maxima: VQ35DE, SE-R: VQ35DE-R
350ZX: VQ35VE, VQ35DETT

INFINITI
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G20: SR20VE, Touring: SR20DET
I30: VQ35DE
J30: VQ30DET
M30: VQ45DETT 4 Door M5 killer based on GT-R

Skyline
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GT-R: RB30DETT 2 door, bears Skyline name

I dont care much for behemoths (Path, QX4, Frontier, Quest etc...)

Comments, Additions, shall we send this to NISSAN-NA ? hehe

[thearabian]

Well, if the tino had a large engine it would beat the purpose of having a fuel-saving car. Lets face it, even Nissan needs a cheap, no thrills "Micra-style" POS. The key word here is CHEAP, unlike the Insight or Prius, roughly the prices of a base Maxima...

As for the KA issue, it is not wise for nissan to develop a whole new engine in these times. The KA is proven as well, though underpowered for trucks or heavy sports cars, its perfect for a midsize i4 sedan. In comparison, the i4 camcord626s all have less power than the Altima.

PS, picking up my Grandparents new Altima quasi-SE (GXE + Alloys, spoiler) today http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/smile.gif
finally they got rid of that rented NEON POS!

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the G20 should get a new engine. i'm thinking it should go more for a small 6 with around 200 hp. a 6 cylinder, in my opinion, would give it a better image than a 4 banger in a 25 grand car. they should enlarge it some, V6 it, give it some edgy styling, improve handling--then it would be a BMW 3 series/lexus IS300 fighter. but, i believe the XVL will take that position http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/frown.gif

does that mean they might get rid of the G20?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nsuguy:
the G20 should get a new engine. i'm thinking it should go more for a small 6 with around 200 hp. a 6 cylinder, in my opinion, would give it a better image than a 4 banger in a 25 grand car. they should enlarge it some, V6 it, give it some edgy styling, improve handling--then it would be a BMW 3 series/lexus IS300 fighter. but, i believe the XVL will take that position http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/frown.gif

does that mean they might get rid of the G20?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Urg! More CC's/cylinders does not mean better! Ever noticed that most Nissan engines have more power than the competition for the same displacement? Going to a V6 with a larger body and hello, what do we call it - Maxima! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/smile.gif The larger engines may increase the torque, but they take away the rev-happy sports car nature of the G20.

Also keep in mind that the G20 is known as the Primera round the rest of the world, and is Nissan's 2.0L class car as the Altima is not sold outside the US. And most markets outside the US do not have an obsession with large displacement, high torque engines (No offense here guys!) - they prefer the sportier, rev happy ones.

That is why the G20 has the SR20DE, while the Altima has the KA24DE which as far as I know is now only used on SUV/trucks ouside of the US.

Re the XVL, I thought that it was a 5 series/Lexus 400 series killer.

[This message has been edited by ant_marter (edited 04-06-2000).]

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ant_marter:
Urg! More CC's/cylinders does not mean better! Ever noticed that most Nissan engines have more power than the competition for the same displacement? Going to a V6 with a larger body and hello, what do we call it - Maxima! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/smile.gif The larger engines may increase the torque, but they take away the rev-happy sports car nature of the G20.

Also keep in mind that the G20 is known as the Primera round the rest of the world, and is Nissan's 2.0L class car as the Altima is not sold outside the US. And most markets outside the US do not have an obsession with large displacement, high torque engines (No offense here guys!) - they prefer the sportier, rev happy ones.

That is why the G20 has the SR20DE, while the Altima has the KA24DE which as far as I know is now only used on SUV/trucks ouside of the US.

Re the XVL, I thought that it was a 5 series/Lexus 400 series killer.

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the G20 might be somewhat rev happy, but it's slow. in america, honda pretty much has the high revving market dominated with the acura integra , which to the best of my knowledge is faster (VTEC), and handles better than the G20 (looks better too). most americans do believe that more cylinders is better, and in many cases they are right--BMW 3 series. nissan should've at least given the G20 Neo VVL, i would prefer a six cylinder

the XVL i believe will be the BMW 3 series and Lexus IS300 fighter, which is kind of what the G20 is right now but is lame in comparison. the BMW 3 series has a six cylinder and is supposed to be one of the best handling cars being made--which proves a larger engine doesn't necessarily hurt handling

i personally think the G20 might as well be phased out when the XVL is debuted. its 0-60 times are in pickup truck range and in my opinion, is kinda ugly. it looks like a japanese BMW wannabe--which it basically is but miserably fails. proof being that G20's crawl off the lots when compared to BMW 3 series and Acura Integras.

oh yeah, if the altima had the SR20DE, it would've been pathetically anemic. all the revving in the world probably couldn't save it. the G20 has a hard enough time moving its weight around with that engine, can't imagine what the altima would be like. i think the altima is actually faster 0-60 than the G20, torque sure helps

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

Have you ever driven a car outside of US? The 2.0L is the bread and butter of the world automotive market. The SR20DE in the P11 G20 is not shabby.

Also, have you ever driven the Integra sedan back to back with the G20? I don't think so. If you have done so, you would have been happier with the G20. The G20 does handle better than the Integra sedan and is much more comfortable and better value-for-money. The G20 is actually one of the vehicles I would get if I needed a FWD sedan right now. Have you tried flicking the G20 through a corner yet? The amazing design of the multilink front and multilink-bar rear suspension works wonderfully. The car can go through a corner as well as a RWD, but with out the power-oversteer.

As for looks, the G20 is pure class, with an European twist where as the Honda Integra is much of a boy-racer look to it.

Also, the reason the BMW has one of the best handling is the weight distribution. It is almost 50/50. My S14 comes in pretty close at 54/46. This means I can toss the car through corners anyway I want and the car will do it. It's just the same with the 3 series, and even more so with the M3. But one thing for sure, the Primera/G20 is not meant to compete in exactly the same class as the 3 series, well... maybe the 320 (only available outside of US. The XVL will be directly into the market segment the 3 series sits. The Primera/G20 sits more like in the Altima class but more up scale. More like the midsized compacts fighting the Toyota Corona, Honda Integra sedan...

Actually, the Altima/Bluebird does have the SR20DE. The SSS (Super Sports Sedan) version even had the SR20DET, but that's Japan market only stuff.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nsuguy:
the G20 might be somewhat rev happy, but it's slow. in america, honda pretty much has the high revving market dominated with the acura integra , which to the best of my knowledge is faster (VTEC), and handles better than the G20 (looks better too). most americans do believe that more cylinders is better, and in many cases they are right--BMW 3 series. nissan should've at least given the G20 Neo VVL, i would prefer a six cylinder

the XVL i believe will be the BMW 3 series and Lexus IS300 fighter, which is kind of what the G20 is right now but is lame in comparison. the BMW 3 series has a six cylinder and is supposed to be one of the best handling cars being made--which proves a larger engine doesn't necessarily hurt handling

i personally think the G20 might as well be phased out when the XVL is debuted. its 0-60 times are in pickup truck range and in my opinion, is kinda ugly. it looks like a japanese BMW wannabe--which it basically is but miserably fails. proof being that G20's crawl off the lots when compared to BMW 3 series and Acura Integras.

oh yeah, if the altima had the SR20DE, it would've been pathetically anemic. all the revving in the world probably couldn't save it. the G20 has a hard enough time moving its weight around with that engine, can't imagine what the altima would be like. i think the altima is actually faster 0-60 than the G20, torque sure helps<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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forgive me that i'm not a millionaire and haven't driven every car ever made, the main point i was trying to make is that something is lacking with the G20. its sales aren't so great (at least around here, i've only seen a handful in comparison to all the BMW's and Integras). that's why i believe it should be combined or replaced with another vehicle. many people make their decision for a car on the amount of power it has from looking at the sales sticker on the window, and the G20 falls short compared to many other cars in the price range

i don't know, i just feel that nissan should have changed the G20 when they brought it back to the US not too long ago. it looks almost the same as the old G20 but with a new chrome grille. still has the same boxy body shape. the integra has sleek sporty looks (you guys can call it "riceboy", but i think it looks better than the G20), while the BMW has aggressive looks while still looking classy. the G20 in my opinion looks like a plushed out sentra

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

My point here is that the big picture must be understood before questioning the marketing decision. With the big picture in mind, it's easier to see why certain decision was made.