im seeing a pattern with 2jz 240sx....

[cobra tom]

Im curious if its not all its cracked up to be. Researching 2jz 240sx you will find there are not alot done. I was looking in the cars for sale and notice there were quiet a few for sale. Look at this....

#1
http://www.freshalloy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192384
#2
http://www.freshalloy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189314
#3
http://www.freshalloy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190616
#4
http://www.freshalloy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186834


i would think it would be a awesome setup but with this many cars for sale i have to wonder if its a bad idea.

[klattr1]

4 cars for sale doesn't mean it's a pattern...probably is a sign that everyone is broke.

[juggernaut]

recession.....or lost their drivers licence.

[Homer_Simpson]

People changed their mind, money issue, different goal etc. I really don't see a pattern. I wouldn't mind owning a 2jz 240.

[cobra tom]

4 cars for sale doesn't mean it's a pattern...probably is a sign that everyone is broke.

What would you call a pattern? There is only a small number of 2jz 240sx build out there that are finished and running. My guess is 15-20 or so have been completed of which 4 are for sale in the classified here and mexican racer's T78 240sx sold on the supra forums. That would be a pattern. And if you really want to narrow it down it seems the higher horsepower ones are most common to be 4 sale. Dont get me wrong im not hating on the 2jz 240. I have been researching building one in the future but it seems everyone that has finished one puts them up for sale. I seen ACIDZ even had his up for sale awhile back. All this would be bad news for me if they dont like the setup.

[a_ahmed]

Wana know why? Cause it costs money to play and be fast... especially reliably... that is all.

[cobra tom]

Wana know why? Cause it costs money to play and be fast... especially reliably... that is all.

So your saying its not worth doing? Or everyone that has done it is broke? Most of these cars are finished and have everything so "what reliablility" are you refering too? The 2jz longblock is good for 800whp all day in a 3600lb supra so Im sure making 500-700whp in a 3000lb car is pretty safe. The r154 has been proven to handle 700-800whp in a 3600lb car so once agian you are pretty safe not pushing near the weight. Less stress on parts. {And before people start agruing the strenght of the 2jz parts I will tell you that comes direct from Boost Logic who built and tune the fastest 2jz supra's in the world.}

I was thinking maybe its because they diff/axle setups are unproven on how much they can take or you can't get enough tire under the car to handle the power to wieght.

[wizdom240]

Some people like working on projects. Once their project car gets done, they sell it to start on something else. I see this all the time. That's your pattern right there!

[a_ahmed]

Sheesh worst case scenario then get a 550USD~ peak performance set of axles or go all out hardcore with some driveshaft shop/mazworx axles that cost nearly 2000USD~ and can take 1000whp+

I meant to say that, maintaining and keeping a high performance vehicle costs. It's one thing to build one, it's another to maintain one... plus what's the point with a 500-700whp car sometimes it begs the question. Maybe they just didn't like it? Different goals, different purpose? I see no pattern, just... a heavy 2jz put into a lightweight chassis making it pretty much only good for highway runs/drag racing, being different/cool and sounding awesome while others drool. Putting a heavy inline 6 motor sort of limits your abilities in a 240... That's just my opinion though, maybe they realized that? I have yet to see a video of a 2jz or rb powered 240 hauling ass on track without understeering or snap power oversteering (there's plenty guys in the UK who tried it, check youtube)... the motor just makes sense for drag racing and a sexy sounding powerful daily.

Think other than 2jz, what motors are swapped into the 240 chassis? What are the results? There are big block v8s swapped into a 240 too, they make massive torque and power... but kind of lame it beats the whole purpose of the car's nimbleness, maybe these guys felt that way? A ca and sr were put into the 240 by nissan engineers for a reason. Now there are other options that are lightweight, but these are not the ones.

[cobra tom]

All these are good points. I guess I will have to sit back and see how some of the future 2jz 240's do

[cobra tom]

Hopefully ACID will have his finished soon and give some insight!!

[Acidz]

i love my car only reason i would sell it is because i wanna build something new maybe a full out tube chassis drag car i dunno or buy a house...really though im not willing to sell unless i get the right price no point in taking a huge hit for no reason when i can drive and enjoy the car all day.

[Kingtal0n]

2jz-240 swaps are easier than sr20 swaps, I say this because I have done lots of both and its my opinion.

Also, lol, a 2jz swap is cheaper than sr20 these days. funny as it sounds, a big turbo sr20 can cost double what a big turbo 2jz will cost.

[markfluko]

2jz-240 swaps are easier than sr20 swaps, I say this because I have done lots of both and its my opinion.

Also, lol, a 2jz swap is cheaper than sr20 these days. funny as it sounds, a big turbo sr20 can cost double what a big turbo 2jz will cost.

Where/why are you seeing/saying it is cheaper?

[gottdeskrieges]

I've had mine for 2 years and still getting her together. I drove her a couple months with stock twins and just ran into a slew of problems. I decided to take her down and sort the problems out, well i ended putting way more monney than I thought haha.

The only reason I would even consider getting rid of mine is if I got a supra/nsx/g37/370z and such. But as it stands right now im to close to gettn her on the road and hope to see 800whp. So we will see what happens.

OH AND 2jz's are not cheaper than sr's sorry bud. doing it right and not having to go back,you will spend way more on a 2jz. my friends car with sr 5-6k max on the road, tuned and havn fun. mine 12k on the road and still pissed as hell (wiring issues) other than that its good.

Jay

[Kingtal0n]

I've had mine for 2 years and still getting her together. I drove her a couple months with stock twins and just ran into a slew of problems. I decided to take her down and sort the problems out, well i ended putting way more monney than I thought haha.

The only reason I would even consider getting rid of mine is if I got a supra/nsx/g37/370z and such. But as it stands right now im to close to gettn her on the road and hope to see 800whp. So we will see what happens.

OH AND 2jz's are not cheaper than sr's sorry bud. doing it right and not having to go back,you will spend way more on a 2jz. my friends car with sr 5-6k max on the road, tuned and havn fun. mine 12k on the road and still pissed as hell (wiring issues) other than that its good.

Jay


jdm 2jz w/ auto trans $1800
mounts/plumbing/blowoff/downpipe $1500
custom converter, shiftkit, driveshaft $1000
turbo/mani/lines/fuel system/inj $2500
SAFC $250
Wiring w/ AC $650
fans/rad $500
misc $500

total swap time: 3 days
Horsepower: 500-700RWHP
Fuel: 22city/28highway MPG
total AUTOMATIC: $8xxx~
+manual transmission $1500 ($1500trans + $500 clutch - converter & shiftkit)
total MANUAL: $9xxx~


JDM S14 SR20 $2500
$500 intercooler
$500 clutch for 500BHP
$250 wiring
$500 exhaust
$3000 turbo/mani/lines/fuel system/inj <-yes more
$1000 MAP power FC <cheapest route
$500 misc
$250 rad + shroud

total swap time: 3 days
Horsepower 500~550RWHP
Fuel: 24city/28highway MPG
total MANUAL: $8500~

Right at this point you should be saying, "WOW, a 2jz is costing as much as an sr20 and its making more power"

Well, my original point was that a big turbo sr20 will cost MORE than what an equal power 2jz setup can cost. And this is why:
SR20 rods/pistons/machine work: $3000~

Once you add the fact a stock sr20 is not going to be happy @ 500 or even 400horsepower for very long, you HAVE to add the necessary parts to make it reliable: rods, pistons, and machine work. Thats not cheap, and thats why I say "SR20$$ > 2jz$$"

Your 6k sr20 is not making 500horsepower reliably, where my 8k 2jz is.

NOW you do the math. and if you dont want to do the swap yourself, guess what, that $9k quote... thats my INSTALLED AND RUNNING PRICE. So, drop it off and pick it up in 3 days.

[Kingtal0n]

And here are some recent swaps, 2jz and rb26. might wana cover your keyboard its going to get wet

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/240sx_2jz/P1020696.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/black_240/100_3372.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/blue2402jz/DSCN0681.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/candy_240/rb26240sx002.jpg

Forgive me... I like to build a little tension in the noobs before I drop TEH BOMBZ

[NightRyderNY]

To talons point, if you are going to go ballz deep and build a fully built SR like I am doing than it would be about the same price as a mildly built 2jz that will give you the same amount of HP reliably. Again, this is if your willing to do the work yourself if you cant then add about 3x to that price for both builds because people get rapped by shops when it comes to "custom work". If i could do it all over again from the beginning I would definitely go 2jz and would consider fully built KA.

[brn2race]

What kinda price range would I be looking at to have a fully built KADE? I would probably do most of the work myself.

[Hallupenyou]

I wish i would have know about some of you guys before I built my KA-T, this build has taken so long, it's crazy, almost two years and I still don't have a car to drive, but finally I found a shop to do the build and it's now at the shop to get tunned. For the time/money/headache, I would have sent the car to some of you guys for a clean install like the 2JZ motors above.

[kindofevil]

if you don't like to be fixing stuff all the time then get a 2jz or rb26.No matter what many say its just fact more torque and more reliable then any sr or ka.
plus now with mazworx axles even more reliable.