Z sketch in Road & Track

[mcervantes]

It looks like the UBB system had a little screw-up and deleted that scanned picture of the new Z from Road & Track. Could the person who originally posted it PLEASE re-post it here??? Thanks a lot!

mikecervantes
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The pic that was posted was from my Web site. I've posted it assuming fair use of copyrighted material, and I've given credit to R&T on my Web site. Here it is, from p.58 of the August 2000 issue of Road & Track:
http://members.aol.com/huginnx/zrt.jpg

[This message has been edited by noelsaw (edited 07-06-2000).]

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Thanks! We fixed the image tag for you too.

mikecervantes

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The front looks like Honda S2000 http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif

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The hood has reminded me of the original Beetle http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

[mcervantes]

I like it so far, but have to ask: What's up with those door handles?????

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I'm with Mike. I like it, but I don't love it. I'm a little disappointed that they didn't go with more of a 240 look for the side window profile. I love the 2nd generation 300ZX, but wish they had gone just a touch more "updated retro" with this one. On the other hand, I have an old Automobile magazine from just before the 2nd gen 300ZX came out, and I didn't like that sketch either, then I loved the car.

Let's remember that this is one artist's interpretation of what the new Z will look like. I don't think anyone's seen more that the rear quarter panel picture that Nissan released. It's very likely that the front will be different than depicted here.

P.S. Thanks for fixing the image tag. Is the trick to that not putting in the HTML tag brackets?

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You put ["img"]the url[/"img"] but without the quotation marks. Here's the instructions on how to use the UBB Code: http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/ubbcode.html

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Its only a cartoon like sketch so don't get all worked up, im sure it will look a lot better in sheet metal. The profile looks a lot like the z32, too bad the head lights dont

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zbeast:
Its only a cartoon like sketch so don't get all worked up, im sure it will look a lot better in sheet metal. The profile looks a lot like the z32, too bad the head lights dont<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It certainly does look "wheel oriented" though. Darn, those things are huge!

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bababahhhahahahaahaahahaha. I'll assume that is R&T's interpretation. Because that car is a wimp. What a lame feminine S2000 rip off. I wouldn't be caught driving that thing even if it had a 500HP engine in it.

Man if thats the best NDI can do (assuming that IS the car going into production).... liquidate the styling staff... The S15 Silvia has more balls than that wimp.

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They said it would be wheel oriented and they're right about that. I think the rear is going to look awesome but the front just looks typical. Hopefully it's just mostly Drawers perception.

And seriously whats up with door handles, hopefully it does more than it looks.

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Yeah i think your right, the front is alot of speculation.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2HD:
They said it would be wheel oriented and they're right about that. I think the rear is going to look awesome but the front just looks typical. Hopefully it's just mostly Drawers perception.

And seriously whats up with door handles, hopefully it does more than it looks.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Well, actually I kinda like that fussion of the design of the old and new. I love the way this artist incorporates the use of the widebody design on the rear quaterpanel and the smooth rounded off front bumper that are obviuos clues of the german influence from the Strosek design for the 300zx that was 1st given to Nissan during the early-mid 1990s. I especially love how they kept that retro look on this Z by keepin that hood that was incorporated by the earlier Zs. All they have too do is get rid of those door handles and I'll take 1.

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My question is...what is the basis of the r/t drawing?

Do they have bits here and there of images and such that we could not have had access to? what makes their picture anymore authoritative than the FreshAlloy drawing.
I know it speculation but it seems the R/T drawing is supposedly as close as it gets...

Anyone know?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StrosekZ:
Well, actually I kinda like that fussion of the design of the old and new. I love the way this artist incorporates the use of the widebody design on the rear quaterpanel and the smooth rounded off front bumper that are obviuos clues of the german influence from the Strosek design for the 300zx that was 1st given to Nissan during the early-mid 1990s. I especially love how they kept that retro look on this Z by keepin that hood that was incorporated by the earlier Zs. All they have too do is get rid of those door handles and I'll take 1.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zzealous:
My question is...what is the basis of the r/t drawing?

Do they have bits here and there of images and such that we could not have had access to? what makes their picture anymore authoritative than the FreshAlloy drawing.
I know it speculation but it seems the R/T drawing is supposedly as close as it gets...

Anyone know?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, I do. I had access to them back in May. Other than that, I can't reveal any more.

S. Eastwood

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SE:
Yes, I do. I had access to them back in May. Other than that, I can't reveal any more.

S. Eastwood<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you the illustrator who drew the Z for R&T (as well as the new NSX in the same issue)?

[GTR]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SE:
Yes, I do. I had access to them back in May. Other than that, I can't reveal any more.

S. Eastwood<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well... can you tell us at least if you liked or disliked what you saw?

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SE, if you are the same Steve Eastwood whose signature is on that R/T illustration then I really would like to know as GTR asked, did you like or dislike what you saw?

Second, What is Nissans reaction to you revealing "acurately" what the new Z will look like since I believe they were to reveal sheet metal in its entirety at the Detroit show in January with a few more glimpses being released between now and then?

I guess third, excuse my doubts, how do I know that you just didn't look at the signature on the illustration and signup as SE (Steve Eastwood) to play on our anticipation of the next great Z?! =]

Any proof you can offer without compromising yourself, R/T, Nissan, etc?


Zzealous in MD

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by noelsaw:
Are you the illustrator who drew the Z for R&T (as well as the new NSX in the same issue)?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am (at least I was the last time I checked!)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GTR:
well... can you tell us at least if you liked or disliked what you saw?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it was a big improvement over what NDI did with the first one shown at Detroit last year.

This one is certainly more aggressive and muscular and I believe my rendering of it did not do it justice, as it is just a drawing and a car such as this must be seen in person to get a better understanding of the proportions and appreciate all the subtle curves on the surface.

Back to your question...I personally think the designers at Nissan are extremely talented and can do better, but certainly there are other concerns such as cost, manufacturing, worldwide appeal and let's not forget that Renault is in charge now and the French have their unique sense of aesthetics.

SE

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zzealous:
SE, if you are the same Steve Eastwood whose signature is on that R/T illustration then I really would like to know as GTR asked, did you like or dislike what you saw?

Second, What is Nissans reaction to you revealing "acurately" what the new Z will look like since I believe they were to reveal sheet metal in its entirety at the Detroit show in January with a few more glimpses being released between now and then?

I guess third, excuse my doubts, how do I know that you just didn't look at the signature on the illustration and signup as SE (Steve Eastwood) to play on our anticipation of the next great Z?! =]

Any proof you can offer without compromising yourself, R/T, Nissan, etc?


Zzealous in MD
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Zzealous in MD:

Your first question is answered above.

For the second question: I don't work for Nissan so I don't know what their reactions might be. (I am not affiliated with FreshAlloy.com, either.) Like I stated earlier, I had access to the photo of the rear 3/4 (the one all of you had seen by now) back in May, as well as some other information concerning the design of the front of the car. As you can understand, I cannot reveal my sources. The sketch in R & T is the result of these bits of information that was given to me and, at least at that time, the front end was 95% accurate.

For your third question: Certainly any bozo can claim they are someone else, and I can understand if anyone had doubts as to who I am (heck, I would!). I am not in the habit of wasting my time (and yours) by going around impersonating someone else. As proof to anyone that may be interested, I'll have Noel Saw from FreshAlloy post a copy of my check from Road & Track as soon as I get it.

SE

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dacman:
bababahhhahahahaahaahahaha. I'll assume that is R&T's interpretation. Because that car is a wimp. What a lame feminine S2000 rip off. I wouldn't be caught driving that thing even if it had a 500HP engine in it.

Man if thats the best NDI can do (assuming that IS the car going into production).... liquidate the styling staff... The S15 Silvia has more balls than that wimp.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>the S15 is nice but i wouldn't say it's so aggressive that it makes that Z sketch look like a "wimp". the S15 looks like what it is: updated 240SX/Silvia. doesn't exactly give ferraris and vipers a run for their money but it's not bad

[GTR]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SE:
I think it was a big improvement over what NDI did with the first one shown at Detroit last year.

This one is certainly more aggressive and muscular and I believe my rendering of it did not do it justice, as it is just a drawing and a car such as this must be seen in person to get a better understanding of the proportions and appreciate all the subtle curves on the surface.

Back to your question...I personally think the designers at Nissan are extremely talented and can do better, but certainly there are other concerns such as cost, manufacturing, worldwide appeal and let's not forget that Renault is in charge now and the French have their unique sense of aesthetics.

SE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


its an improvement... but did you like it? i mean, you could take the pontiac aztec and give it sportier looking wheels, and itd be an improvement, but it's still an ugly aztec.

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This concept looks like some kind of fish from the front, i wouldnt say that it's aggressive or intimidating or anything but its a start..
http://www.motortrend.com//autoshows/la_detroit/images/ni_z.jpg

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Now that's a scary thought. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SE:
...and let's not forget that Renault is in charge now and the French have their unique sense of aesthetics.

SE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I just cant bring myself to like it, I think it looks like a Z32 with a Honda front end and some funky door handles. I really hope the real thing looks significantly different.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Z32Rocket:
This concept looks like some kind of fish from the front, i wouldnt say that it's aggressive or intimidating or anything but its a start..
http://www.motortrend.com//autoshows/la_detroit/images/ni_z.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank God they decided that scrap that thing!