New Z car drawings from Japanese magazines

[noelsaw]

Thanks to Ryan Yap for sending them in...

http://www.freshalloy.com/cars/nissan/images/z33.2002.f.jpg

http://www.freshalloy.com/cars/nissan/images/z33.2002.g.jpg

[This message has been edited by noelsaw (edited 08-02-2000).]

[Deadpool]

impressive. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

[Infiniti]

I like it a lot! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif I know it is a speculation picture or a photo shopped pic, but it seems like something is missing in the front end there. I can't quite put my finger on it, but something isn't there. Does anyone else feel like that?

[thearabian]

very nice, i like the back, side profile and the way the front end sags, but i am not a fan of the headlights, i like headlights in the horizontal direction (like silvia, previous gen prelude)

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looks like ledesma's sketch was pretty close if that's what the rear really looks like. i like the fender bulges, gives the car a lower wider stance than the Z32. overall, looks pretty good -- just hope those are the the door handles that make it to production http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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That black picture is GOLD!!! if that is the new Z sign me up!! WOW, by far the best out there in terms of what the Z could be.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Infiniti:
...but it seems like something is missing in the front end there. I can't quite put my finger on it, but something isn't there. Does anyone else feel like that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The picture is nice but I hope the new Z has a fog light. The aggresive look is fine but it kind of reminds me of a bird with its far set headlights. And although we all specualte, is there anything that has been decided about the Z? except for that enigmatic picture of its tail released by Nissan? Is it the XVL platform? 4cyl 6cyl option? 5spd 6spd option? Oh God! I am just counting the days until I can afford one. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif

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add a high rear spoiler and im there NISSANs finally doing something right again

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It's always hard to tell from a photo, but I think I like the front. I like the back better in the picture in the other topic, because the rear lights don't go all the way across the back. Thanks to all who are posting pics! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

[This message has been edited by Ted X (edited 08-03-2000).]

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by M3:
The picture is nice but I hope the new Z has a fog light. The aggresive look is fine but it kind of reminds me of a bird with its far set headlights. And although we all specualte, is there anything that has been decided about the Z? except for that enigmatic picture of its tail released by Nissan? Is it the XVL platform? 4cyl 6cyl option? 5spd 6spd option? Oh God! I am just counting the days until I can afford one. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To answer some of your questions, yup, 6cyl(no 4cyl)vq35de tuned to 300hp most likely a 6spd and a beginning price of $25k

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nissanfanatic:
add a high rear spoiler and im there NISSANs finally doing something right again<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it looks perfect without a spoiler. I can't stand when people bolt on a 3ft spoiler on a car that doesn't need it(any vette)Besides form the picture the car looks to round to accept a spoiler.(just my 2 cents)

[thearabian]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zbeast:
I think it looks perfect without a spoiler. I can't stand when people bolt on a 3ft spoiler on a car that doesn't need it(any vette)Besides form the picture the car looks to round to accept a spoiler.(just my 2 cents)
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I think the general direction of many new cars will be no spoilers...
Ferrari has no more, only underbody aerokits... besides, if a car does not need a spoiler, dont put one, it only makes visibility worse, traction on FWD cars worse, car weighs more, makes the car look tackier

[GTR]

the back slopes down porsche style. it would still look decent with a lil porsche style wing, though id prefer it without. hey... riceboy civic hatch owners found a way to mount 3 foot spoilers on their cars.. so can we! j/k.

[GTR]

hm... the front speaks to me.. it says... honda insight. i like it, but i think it needs either less space between the lights or a sporty grille between em.

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The zcar look like it taking some styling
look from the honda s2000.
it not impressive looking nor aggressive
looking but rather like on of those
annoying civic with a street sweeping
bumper.I hate the headlight,it look like
the celica and the focus http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif

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That front end better not make it to
production. That is the front end of a
honda insight, and a $25K sports car doesnt
deserve to have a face similar to an econobox. Eastwood's quad headlight picture
was better in the front.

Could the tail possibly be a clean and striking design from the Japan studio?
I like it, it's a bit Porsche but i dont think there's a car with that kind of tail
end out there.

[Infiniti]

I really love how th tail lights go all the way around the back. But I also love the single triangle-like tail lamps on Robs sketch and that other Jap mag pic. I cant decide Which I like better. What do you all think?

[Infiniti]

I just realized that those rap around the rear tail lamps couldnt happen because if you look at the shape of the triangular part, it goes with wheel arch shape (far left side of tail lamp) of like a semi circle sweeping into the rest of the cluster. The Nissan sketch doesnt have the tail lamp flowing like that, it has like a straight line into the bottom part of the traingle. It is really hard to explain this, I am doing my best. Does anyone understand me? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/confused.gif

[JonCarson]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by noelsaw:
Thanks to Ryan Yap for sending them in...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What magazine did Yapper get that from? I want to go check it out at my local Mitsuwa Market.

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I take it all back, everything I said earlier in other postings, I LIKE IT, I LIKE IT ALOT!!! Now if I could only find the money....

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http://www.busybeetoys.com/SCOOP/23-Z-car-c.jpg

not bad in my opinion. i wonder if this pic is from the same magazine

[Deadpool]

not bad at all

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I think these are all preproduction spy shots that have been doctor'd a little. However I do have this to say, I like the looks of the gray one posted first. The beige colored one on the corner of that photo looks too narrow, and the profile from the side looks too much like something that Toyota would produce. I also am beginning to think the headlights look a bit too Honda like in appearance.

[Infiniti]

The front side air dams look kinda wierd. And the front overhangs are really long. Steve Eastwood said that the Z would have EXTREMELY short ones. I like the profile a lot. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif Overall, I think its a very, very good design. Just a few tweeks are needed, what I mentioned above in this post.

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I agree, I think that if they went with a singular air damn much like the original NDI concept they'd have a much better looking front end. Not only that it would help this car stay more focused on the key styling points of the original.

[Infiniti]

In the grey Z, the reason why I think it looks fnny is because you can tell that the overhangs are extremely long for a sports car. Thats what makes it look funny to me. After studying the air dams, I actually appreciate them more, its the overhangs (I may sound repetitive) that makes the WHOLE front look a little off kilter. I think if you shorten those monsters up and flange the wheel arches more, then it will be awsome. The Z at the top, although its the same car, looks better than the beige Z.

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head on the car looks a little like Honda's roadster, that is why I think a grille change would be good. I do agree however, the overhang does seem a bit excessive. I think Nissan's bent on bringing this type of overhange excess to life though, just look at the new Q.

[Infiniti]

What exactly do you mean by bent on the excessivness of the overhang on the Q? I think the Q's front overhang is pretty good, but it would look a lot better if just shortened a bit.

[Infiniti]

HammerMan...Isn't your next fav car company Audi? I thought it was, but if not, then this doesnt apply directly to you. But all you 2nd place Audi lovers...if you look at all their cars, the front overhangs are much longer than the Z in beige. The A6 and TT especially have massive overhangs. And you all love them. How come no one notices those overhangs? Just a question.

[mcervantes]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Infiniti:
But all you 2nd place Audi lovers...if you look at all their cars, the front overhangs are much longer than the Z in beige. The A6 and TT especially have massive overhangs. And you all love them. How come no one notices those overhangs? Just a question.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it has a part to do with the fact that, imho, those cars look damn good [well, I'm not sure about the TT]. And almost every other aspect of Audi [i.e. kick-ass interior] is very good. Well, except the price, heheh.

You kinda make us "audi 2nd" people sound hypocritical. To date, I haven't seen many people harp on Nissan overhangs, Audi fans or not.

[JonCarson]

I am one of those who has admitted to being an Audi fan (not that it's a bad thing...)

Depending upon the overall design of a car, long overhangs aren't necessarily bad.

I will say that of all the Audis I've seen, I do not like the current A6 or the TT. I do like the A8 and previous Euro S6 and S8, but my favorites are the A4 and it's derivatives--A4 Avant, S4, RS4.

[stonefield]

I think overall the pics in this post are decent. They look a little too "Honda-ish" too me, however. I like the rear shown in the Freshalloy.com's 2003 Z car sketch looks real nice. I hate the rear shown on that red one at the very beginning of this post--UGLY! The beige and next red one look much better. However, just a bit too "Honda-ish" to be a winner for me.

BTW, I too am a fan of Audi. It seems like many here also are. If they only were cheaper http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif. I guess Nissan comes pretty close to making me as excited about their cars as Audi--at least all these new ones here or coming out. Not the models from mid 90's to late 90's.

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I think that the car looks great, but I think from the side the back looks like the new Audi's. They should put a little more of the z32 in it. From the side they should have the back look more like the z32. For aftermarket wings etc. I'm not in favor of 3ft wings but those mid touring wings like stillens type III spolier, makes the car stand out from the rest. The front has got to go. It is coping the s2000, supra and all those other cars who have the smile opening in the middle then the grills on each side.
Isn't that getting old to look at. The headlights really look like Celica and Focus, you might as well go back to the Lambo headlights. Headlights goin horizontal looks awhole lot better than vertical.

I'm just asking, but why make the new Z look like the old 240Z, just cause its the start of the Z name, dosen't mean it's all that, and that the new Z should be base on it.(I think the Z32 by far looked the best out of all the Z's, just my thought, nobody get mad, we all have different taste in cars) This is the 2000's not the 60's, isn't it time to move foward, and not backwards. We all like the 240Z, cause we r Z fans and we got to like the old ones to like the new ones. But askin other people who never liked the Z in the first place, you will find that they don't even care about the old Z. They only look forward to the new designs.

The pics that were posted dose look like the Z is on the right foot. Unlike the new supra and rx-7, luck!!!! Peace out!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
I think the general direction of many new cars will be no spoilers...
Ferrari has no more, only underbody aerokits... besides, if a car does not need a spoiler, dont put one, it only makes visibility worse, traction on FWD cars worse, car weighs more, makes the car look tackier<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It adds downforce too! Look at all the cars in circuit racing, they all have some kind of wing, it might add weight but it add downforce, nothing aftermarket spoilers can't fix thought. cars that dont look good with 3ft wings r cars with a long back section. The Supra has a perfect back to add huge wings, so dose the Z32. But not the Vette, its to long. Have you ever seen civic sedans with the supra wing, yuck, cause the back it to long.

[Infiniti]

Honestly, the interors of Audi's are what I like LEAST. I really don't find them attrative on the inside. The steering wheel is loated and looks weird, and there are so many buttons that they dont know where to put them. Not buttons of technology, they are buttons of mis-placed, bad German ergonomics; as usual. It did sound like I was accusing you guys, but I shouldnt have. I don't know, I think I was just mad at how HammerMan is displeased with all these future cars coming. No prob HammerMan and all you guys.

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[thearabian]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PowerZ:

It adds downforce too! Look at all the cars in circuit racing, they all have some kind of wing, it might add weight but it add downforce, nothing aftermarket spoilers can't fix thought. cars that dont look good with 3ft wings r cars with a long back section. The Supra has a perfect back to add huge wings, so dose the Z32. But not the Vette, its to long. Have you ever seen civic sedans with the supra wing, yuck, cause the back it to long.
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Underbody aerokits have the same (and better) effect than wings. Race cars are very close to the ground, and they use spoilers for added downforce on a race track. sports cars can do with just the underbody (it is more expensive though). but the main point here is that there is a big difference between Race cars and sports cars. Take any sports street car on an F1 track and it will feel like a boat.

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The first photo (black one) has the wide/low to the ground stance of the Z32 with some of the main styling ques of the original Z. That is why I like it better. It all could be an optical illusion though, due to the angle of the camera shot. The Second set of make the nose of the car look bloated and overstyled. The headlights look way too honda like in appearance.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Ok, the beige picture isn't bad looking but it still screams Honda. The side looks a bit like a Celica.

Nissan needs to be a little bit more creative. They can do better than this,since they did a decent job on the back end. I'd like to see the quad light arrangement like in the Eastwood picture.

anybody know if there is gonna be HIDs on this car?

[Infiniti]

Thats a good question. I would doubt it though, that HID's would make it.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Lets remember that these pics are speculation especially the beige/black one which in my opinion don't seem to fit as well as say the other Japanese rear end pix when you try to extract possibilities from the official Nissan released pic.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by idle573:
Ok, the beige picture isn't bad looking but it still screams Honda. The side looks a bit like a Celica.

Nissan needs to be a little bit more creative. They can do better than this,since they did a decent job on the back end. I'd like to see the quad light arrangement like in the Eastwood picture.

anybody know if there is gonna be HIDs on this car?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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First off, I must say congrats to Nissan on such an incredible looking *backend* of a car, if any of these pics so far are true...

All is not well though. I do have a serious gripe if Nissan is really going to produce a car resembling any of the front end pics I have seen so far..

Granted, as any Z driver would agree, We all expect people to see our taillights more often than not.. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif but, dear GOD, *what* were they smoking when they did the front end? The front end pics I've seen so far look like some sort of Saturn/Pontiac-Sunfire/Hyundai/Geo Storm/Honda mix.

Definitely not timeless.

..Not attractive either.

Just plain ugly.

Built as depicted, the new Z would definitely have the taillight intimidation there, but I really think that the Mustang guys should be able to tell in the rear view mirror that its a *Z* coming up to pass him... Not a Z-Saturn, or even a Z-Sunfire-Honda for that matter. I think we should think about Mr Mustang Driver's needs too... The Z should be something *SPECIAL*.. not a rounded jelly bean with a beak-like frontend.. I'm not intimidated by Saturns really. Nor would I be caught dead in one (no offense Saturn owners).

I really dont see how it could possibly be so hard to give the front end a touch of Ferrari 456, 550M, Aston Martin DB5-7, or even *gasp* original Datsun Z. Give it an agressive look. Something timeless. Please. :/

I for one (25 y/o engineer, single, target market type with money to spend) will *NOT* be in line with my cash if the front looks like any of the recent pictures I've seen.. I know many other people that agree (also target market), after having seen the recent pics. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif I'm sure I'll be happy with my 83 zx turbo, which at least resembles its timeless namesake.

Comments?

-datz510

[sonnym]

I realize that these pictures are pure speculation, and that not much should be made except to titalize your brain. But there is no way in hell that front end and especially the back is going on the new Z. Not if my 3 years of graphic design schooling taught me anything.

If you take a careful look at the official pic of the rear end, you will notice that the tail lights flow at an even triangular angle, But in these Japanese Mag pics the tail lights curve down.

As well the lines of the official pic are more straight forward, not curving down like a Porsche 911.

I would say the pic from the other Japanese mag, with the quad exhaust and Fairlady Z plate is far more accurate.

Considering Nissan's track record of keeping secrets, only they know what the Z is going to look like. Everything else is just pure speculation, especially anything where the source is Busybeetoys.

I think Nissan is on the right track to designing exciting looking cars again, and there is no way that they would risk the Z image to an unexciting design. It will be exciting, smooth, responsive and especially fast. People better get used to the tail lights, what ever they will be, because that is all they are going to see.

[Infiniti]

Finally, someone else but me reconized the triangular shape of the tail lights on the official photo from the more curved tail lights on the speculation photos. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gifI tried to explain it before but it didn't come out to well. The Z will be more of an angular design, as seen in the official photo, than what some pics show. I would love to see quad head lights but I don't think, for some reason, Nissan will make them.

[madmaxse]

The back of car looks awesome!! The triangular tail light doesn't seem to be out of place even though it is edgy. I think Nissan finally have done some design study and thought this through. It looks way better than the other edgy cars (celica/cougar/focus). I was afraid that Z car would mimic the porche's rear but it is distinctive and got its own attitude!!
I also think front kinda looks like honduh car(especially insight). I wouldn't mind round front lights or pop-up headlamp like corvette's. I hope the real Z's front will be able to match the good look of its rear end. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

[2HD]

I'm not feeling the round front lights. They remind me to much of a Tiburon and an Integra. I think the round lights thing is getting old. I'm hoping Nissan will put on some distinctive headlights that have never been seen before but look good too.

[03]

The shape of the S15 Silvia headlights are quite unique. If they could continue in that direction, that would be better than going triangular.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

My sentiments exactly!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2HD:
I'm not feeling the round front lights. They remind me to much of a Tiburon and an Integra. I think the round lights thing is getting old. I'm hoping Nissan will put on some distinctive headlights that have never been seen before but look good too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I think you guys are all right to an extend. However, I have to side with 510. The front end treatment is way too bland and has been done by everyone else before. It needs to be recognizable as a Z, that is why I think the front end should feature a wider/taller singular grille element instead of the Honda 3 grille element it's got now. With that type of front end it could be mistaken for just about anything else out there on the road today. Bottom line, it needs to be recognized as a Z!! THE ORIGINAL Z!

[Infiniti]

If oyu want the Z to look like the original Z or the past Z, then buy the original Z. Retro is trendy and is out of style already. Although I dont think tat front end is really great, it is better than retro styling. I love those Quad lamp pics and the quad lamp SE drawing. Heck, I like the R&T SE drawing...a lot. I just think a bit of tweaks are needed like a bit more aggresive look but it does look pretty aggresive already. All the pics I have seen are of an aggressive theame, nothing is Kia type bland. But a few tweaks are needed.

[sonnym]

I work for IBM and Nissan Global is one of our recent client, I showed the various pictures of the new Z to one of the top executives and he said that none of the pictures are anywhere near what the actual Z will look like.

I don't know how to take this information, mainly because I'm not too fond of most of the sketches I've seen so far. However, I was really hoping for a look similar to either the Silver sketch with the Fairlady Z plate or the red one with the quad front lamps that Steve Eastwood drew.

Like I said before, no one besides Nissan knows what the car is going to look like. So best thing to do is to enjoy any sketches, that may come our way, for what they are. Which is pure speculation.

Until the Detroit Auto Show, obcourse. 2001 is going to be an excellent year, not only for Nissan Cars but also for cars of all types. I'm gonna try to go to as many auto shows as possible.

[Infiniti]

Nothing is like it? WOW! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif That makes me excited, very excited, about the possibilities. Hey, Jerry himself said the front end is what is most stiking and great about it. I can't wait. Anyway can you get pics from your boss or details from him? Man oh man, I just can't wait any longer. My head is going to bust! Why can't it be January and April of 2001 all in one day!

[This message has been edited by Infiniti (edited 08-10-2000).]

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I think the new Z pics like kinda ghetto. The back is just pheachy keen I would love to have a car with that back end. I like the Vertical lights but the should make the quad. They should add like small round or teardrop shaped likes next to them. The Front should be a bold statement of the car at night or in the day. The lights need to be HID ok no doubt bout that. Well isn't the new Z car's target market young people... I young I wouldn't be caught dead in a front end like that. And for a Person my age 25,000 is a little steep. Come one Nissan needs a car to compete with the Celica/Eclipse/Integra.

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One more thing I forgot to say... My parents just bought a 2001 Pathfinder (B/c the 2000 Maxima is a piece or crap), but Nissan needs to do something bout the driveshaft for the Z b/c When you floor the New pathfinder the thing shakes like the driveshaft is going to fall off. Man if the using the VQ35 they'll need some Kinda super driveshaft cuz thats the best freakin V6 in the world..

[Infiniti]

The Max is a piece in your opinion. The Automotive world seems to be on the other end of your stick; meaning its awsome. The Z isnt exactly targeted for teens or anything; no teen could really afford a new car other than Kia. But even 11 grand is a lot. It is targeted to a younger audience meaning around 25 and on up.

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Nothing like it, eh? Hmmm...that sounds could be pretty exciting indeed. However, I can't help thinking that even if any of these pix were even close, that any top exec would admit to it off the record for the purpose of keep us tortured with suspense! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

How many are going to the Detroit show in January for the Z unveiling, raise your hands?! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sonnym:
I work for IBM and Nissan Global is one of our recent client, I showed the various pictures of the new Z to one of the top executives and he said that none of the pictures are anywhere near what the actual Z will look like. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Infiniti]

I wish I could go, but Im not rich. I live in NJ so thats pretty far away. Ill just have to way 3 months after it to see it at NY. But hey, at least Ill see the new Altima too.

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In my opinion whats wrong is Nissan is is it's to much in the older peoples market. The average person who owns a nissan is around freakin 40.. Thats the problem. With the new Z the Market should become a little Younger. But still I say once again there needs to be sumthing to compete with Integra/Elcispe/CELICA. Common the Sentra can only go so far... They need like a baby Z

[Infiniti]

The Z is it the price range of the Integra/Celica but is wa out of thier league in performance. How can you go wrong with that? The Celica is $17,000 base price and Integra is about $20,000+ but those cars are slow. The Type R is I dont know how much more but I bet it is a considerable amount and the Celica GTS is $21,000. Not too far from the Z which will be hovering around the $25,000 magic mark.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Not to burst your Bubble Infinti, But the base price for a Celica is $15,000 and the base price for an Integra 16,000 ok. And I bet you the new Z car won't cost less the 29,000. B/c I heard a rumor that Nissan is going to bring the Sliva S15 and Varitte or how ever you spell it to the USA which will be around the magic number $25,000. HHAHAAHa

[Infiniti]

Dude, settle down. But the Z is hovering around 25K and up. Im not lying. There may even be a base model that costs less and may have a bit less performance. I have seen on Celica commericals that it starts at 17K but fine, 15 is what you said so Ill take it. I dont care anyway; its a Toyo and it looks like a cramped knife in a box.

[sonnym]

I have been going to the Detroit Auto Show for the last 8 years, even though I live in Toronto, so I'll be there for sure.

2001 is going to be a really good year for my religion, which is cars.

[sonnym]

Here's some interesting news, especially for the full size truck.

Nissan's show schedule (8/8/2000)
AutoWeek

Nissan will show its new full-size pickup at next
January's Detroit auto show, along with the new Z car
design (News, AW, July 3). The redesigned `02 Altima,
on a platform it will share with the `03 Maxima, debuts
at next year's New York show, Automotive News
reports.

[Infiniti]

I posted that in in Nissan Past Present Future under 2001 Auto Shows. Just thought Id say it. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

[GTR]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpeedyNissan:
Not to burst your Bubble Infinti, But the base price for a Celica is $15,000 and the base price for an Integra 16,000 ok. And I bet you the new Z car won't cost less the 29,000. B/c I heard a rumor that Nissan is going to bring the Sliva S15 and Varitte or how ever you spell it to the USA which will be around the magic number $25,000. HHAHAAHa<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the varietta is still a rumor. if they do bring it to US shores, it will most likely be badged as an infiniti. and the varietta being the infiniti, would probably be the one bumped up to 29k. if they do bring one over, they better bring over an rspec'd varietta..

and btw, my 2000 maxima will probably smoke your 3.5l pathfinder. =)

[GTR]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpeedyNissan:
Not to burst your Bubble Infinti, But the base price for a Celica is $15,000 and the base price for an Integra 16,000 ok<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

..but let's also talk performance. the 15k celica has what somewhere around 145 hp from a 1.8l vvt-i engine. the integra at 16k is a 1.8l non-vtec engine with also around 145 hp. the z will have a 3.0-3.5l v6 pushing around 250 hp. not to mention that the z is the only one in rwd. &lt;b&gt;those who usually opt for performance when buying a celica or integra go for the gt-s and gsr respectively.&lt;/b&gt; i know a few people that have bought gt-s' and they pay somewhere from 22-25k for them before tax and licence. im not sure how much a brand new gs-r will cost, but im sure its in the same ballpark (maybe a lil lower) than the celica. so infiniti's point about hte z being a better value than the integ and celica still seem valid to me. for a lil more than a gt-s or gsr, you will be able to get a z.

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Around 250? Dunno...word from Nissan and Mr. K is that the new will "definitely" be a 300HP NA as revealed during the unveiling of the Z rear quarter pic released during the Vegas Z event.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GTR:
..the z will have a 3.0-3.5l v6 pushing around 250 hp. not to mention that the z is the only one in rwd<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Mmmmmmmmmm...300 naturally aspirated horsepower... *drooling* me want....

[2HD]

If Nissans average buyer is 40 their doing
a damn good job. Cause the average buyer used to be 60. Toyota has a higher average age buyer than Nissan which was about 65.
But I believe Nissan has lowerd it to about 50 or 55+.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpeedyNissan:
In my opinion whats wrong is Nissan is is it's to much in the older peoples market. The average person who owns a nissan is around freakin 40.. Thats the problem. With the new Z the Market should become a little Younger. But still I say once again there needs to be sumthing to compete with Integra/Elcispe/CELICA. Common the Sentra can only go so far... They need like a baby Z<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I think what Nissan needs to do is make Nissan appeal to people who are about 17-35, and resverve Infiniti for people who are about 25 and up. In other words appeal to younger buyers with better looking Nissans, and Appeal to those young people that have money with Infiniti. There is a lot of young people with money so making a car to appeal to them is good marketing. I mean practically all BMW and M-Benzs appeal to people young and old alike. Nissan should try and Infiniti have the same kind of appeal.

[2HD]

Thats what the 2001 Frontier is for http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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Most people have been talking bout how the The new Z will have somewhere in between 250 and 300 naturally asparated. What bout the handling aspecs. Well it be a total Muscle car or true handling sports car. I was wondering what are the chance of the Z car having an all wheel drive system like the Skyline GTR V-SPEC. Cuz if the car wants to compete with a BMW it needs to have so good a** handling. And what are the chance it will have four wheel steering like the last Z.

[dfw_alan]

All wheel drive will make the car too expensive and heavy..... The Z should be a sports car first and foremost.... Lets not forget allwheel drive cars go through transmissions like popcorn when driven hard unless you spend money on a decked out $20,000 transmission.

All wheel steering is a joke.... Its way too laggy and feels really weird when you drive it on a racetrack (tail end feels like its sliding out when its not). Racers/Auto-x'ers typically eliminate the HICAS rear wheel steering.

Technology just for the sake of magazine/benchmark racing is a joke. A well balanced, light, just-right powered car will outrun a technology heavy, unbalanced, tire shredding car on any racetrack with equal drivers at the wheel.

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Dacman, I could agree with you more, if any of you would care know my reasons for agreeing, please feel free to check out my comments on the Infiniti section. Somewhere on page 3 of the "2001 and beyond" portion. Simply put, HICAS steering and all that crap is simply (a) too heavy and (b) too expensive, and wont do the Z car a thing except weigh it down with a whole bunch of techno goodies it doesnt need. If those Nissan engineers really know what they're doing (which I think they do) they'll make the car handle and accelerate good WITHOUT the aid of such time and money consuming add ons. Good handling comes from a well tuned chassis and suspension NOT a bunch of techno crap.

Further more, that to me would make the Z something truly cheap, and I'm not talking money!!