2002/03 Nissan Z performance comparision

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How well do you think the new Z will perform against other cars such as: mustang GT, Camaro, 97 M3, 2001 M3, supra, firebird, NSX,etc. in terms of 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

Also,how well would this Z comapre to the latest 300ZX twin turbo model.

Lastly, if you had the same car with the same weight, horespower and everything, but one was turbo charged w/ the same HP and the other naturally aspirated which one would be faster.

I think the Z should be priced around 28K or 29K for base model. I mean it is 300+hp and we don't want some cheap japanese a.k.a "camaro/firebird" car. If it's 25K thats the same price for a prelude or type R TEG. If that happened you know quality was left out some where.

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according to hirshberg, the Z will have Skyline GTR like performance. probably 0-60 in high 4's or low 5's. 1/4 mile in the high 13's low 14's (hopefully 13's).

i'm thinking the new Z will be better than the last TT because that car was pretty damn heavy. the new one hopefully will weight much less but have 300hp. that make make it a better performer. in terms of styling, we'll have to wait and see if the new Z looks as good as the last one

about the 25K starting price, nissan offers the Silvia S15 with 250hp for less than 20K in japan. the quality of that vehicle is most likely very good. i'm thinking nissan could offer a base Z for around 25K if it's pretty bare bones (no leather, CD, sunroof, few power options, etc). but most will probably be a more loaded and cost a couple grand more

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nsuguy:
according to hirshberg, the Z will have Skyline GTR like performance. probably 0-60 in high 4's or low 5's. 1/4 mile in the high 13's low 14's (hopefully 13's).
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i hope he's right with that. that will be absolutely killer. isn't it true that this is based off the all-new XVL platform?

[Mel E Bog]

Yup, the new Z is gonna be based on the XVL platform which may also spawn the R35. I'm thiking that if the car has 300hp and is light as they say it will be(about as much as a 240SX) it should pull the quarter in mid to low 13's. I think the Z32 pulled the quarter in 13.7-13.9 or something like that and that car was a pig.

Mel

[Mo]

Yes, if two cars have the same HP and weight about the same, the turbo car will kick ass 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile. However, when it comes to the new Z being faster then R35 "I don't think so". Do you know what it will do to R35 sales if it is slower then new Z? I am sure Nissan will make sure R35 is the dominate car. Any way R35 will have 450 hp, there is no way z could bet it unless heavily modified.

[Infiniti]

I think its 450ps, not hp. It makes a difference but not much.

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if it has 0-60 times of around 4.7 to 5.5 count me in. I have to put up with a lot of crap in school with Mustang/Camaro/celica owners. The think there are the greatest sports cars (Mustang and Camaro owners). I want a car that will blow there freakin doors and make them think what the hell just happened.My 97 VW GTI can out handle them any day but power wise it's lacking. If the Z can handle as good as a germen car (MY GTI) and can 0-60 times that are equal to a GT-R you know I be the first one inline

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nsuguy:

about the 25K starting price, nissan offers the Silvia S15 with 250hp for less than 20K in japan. the quality of that vehicle is most likely very good. i'm thinking nissan could offer a base Z for around 25K if it's pretty bare bones (no leather, CD, sunroof, few power options, etc). but most will probably be a more loaded and cost a couple grand more<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a S15 Spec R, and unfortunately I must say that the quality is really not the best, the doors slam with a dreadful sound, and the Stereo, while having a CD player is pretty crap, but on the other hand with 250hp and 6speed box who cares!

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wow, i thought the silvia line was a pretty high quality vehicle. i never heard any complaints from 240 owners, as one of my friends owned a S13 for a while. he loved the car. oh well, maybe that's how nissan was able to make the S15 so cheap. let's just hope the Z will be better quality (being that it's a flagship car)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>The think there are the greatest sports cars (Mustang and Camaro owners). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First off, they aren't sports cars. The Mustangs, Camaros, and Firebirds are all muscle cars. Corvettes, Zs, Boxsters, Supras, S2000s, 3000GTs, RX-7s, and Vipers are all examples of sports cars.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>If the Z can handle as good as a germen car (MY GTI) and can 0-60 times that are equal to a GT-R you know I be the first one inline <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If Nissan keeps with tradition, handling will definitely equal (most likely surpass) your GTI. One things for sure, it definitely won't be as ugly as a GTI. j/k

[Slack00]

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First off, they aren't sports cars. The Mustangs, Camaros, and Firebirds are all muscle cars. Corvettes, Zs, Boxsters, Supras, S2000s, 3000GTs, RX-7s, and Vipers are all examples of sports cars
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Well....that definition is becoming increasingly blurred as the current Mustang Cobra has an independent rear suspension. And modern Camaros and Firebirds actually handle pretty well in thier own right. And is 320 STOCK horsepower not enough? I would say that while these cars heritage and ancestry are muscle cars, these cars, in the modern era, are defenitely viable alternatives to all the cars we mention on this forum..it is only their character that causes people to place them outside the box.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>And is 320 STOCK horsepower not enough?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said they didn't have enough power. In terms of power, these cars are great, but in terms of handling they don't compare to the Z (even though the handling has come a long way).

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i definately agree that those cars a muscle cars not sports cars. They focus more on grunt then finesse which is all of what a sports car is supposed to be. I think that according to the specs they are saying for new z it is gonna be flat out amazing. It will easily kill mustangs, camaros, firebirds, and others like that. It should be either equal to or faster than a supra (0-60 5.2 for 98), and i don't know the specs on the others but it should be at least equal to or better because the specs they are saying are flat out amazing and have never really been done before. You are looking at approximately a 1:10 power to weight ratio.

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If Nissan can keep the weight down, and still produce about 300hp I think this car will kick some serious butt. Light weight also translates into better handling, because there is less mass for the suspension and tires to deal with. As far as the turbo/normally aspirated debate goes, I personally would choose normal aspiration. I think turbos are great, but I like to see real hp w/o the forced induction.

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If Silver GT is correct about the 1HP to every 10lbs then we can for sure see the car beat a 911 carrera since it has 10.4lbs per HP. Than means a really good sub 5 sec 0-60 time.

['97 S14 SE Turbo]

hehe, my '97 S14 SE Turbo has a 10lb/1hp power to weight ratio... Too bad the only 911's that would play are 450+hp 996 Turbos...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by prelude98:
If Silver GT is correct about the 1HP to every 10lbs then we can for sure see the car beat a 911 carrera since it has 10.4lbs per HP. Than means a really good sub 5 sec 0-60 time.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Lets address these one by one:

Mustang GT: Rattlebox, everything is so noisy and rattling around that you have to upgrade the stereo just to take your mind off the noise of the engine, trans, suspension, doors, etc...

Camaro: Worse Rattlebox, farmwagon suspension requires huge tires and swaybars to keep this beast on the ground.

97 M3: A bit dated and still overpriced after 3 years. 240hp, the 2002 Altima will have that!

2001 M3: Supersweet...Fine German Engineering, can't complain about this ride. Too much $$$ is about it!

Supra: Pretty sweet, tame styling (I know, it has that big ol wing, but its still a glorified Celica)

Firebird: See Camaro Note Above and add plastic body cladding.

NSX: Dated. I used to take these in my 68 Camaro. More than double what the new Z will cost.

The new Z. Bring it on Nissan, and hurry!!!

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