Sentra SE-R specs and photos [Archive]

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01-06-2001, 09:48 PM

You guys know what this means don't you??? It's a Sentra made to be like a baby Skyline....!!! At more than half the price and the power.... the SE-R SV is a test run for the 2003 Infiniti R35 people have been talking about.... I wish this car came out sooner.... I might consider buying it... but alas, Fall is to far away.... Well I guess I'll just have to buy my Impreza WRX and go fight some ITR's http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif (I mean if the car was like 6-8 grand less than the WRX, I might consider it... but for 25k.... WRX owns all... and I think the SE-R will be over 20 grand.... not worth it when you can get a JDM supercar for a few more hehehe)

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01-07-2001, 04:16 AM

I emailed my "doctored" pictures to Nissan, telling them that some of us were dissapointed it isn't a 2 door. I also tossed up the Idea of making the SE-R a 4 and the Vspec a 2 door. The pictures can be seen here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~borguesian/Newser2dr.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~borguesian/Newserwhite.jpg

thearabian

01-07-2001, 04:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by borguesian:
I emailed my "doctored" pictures to Nissan,

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dude, gorgeous in white!

i am happy of the new design of the SE-R, it looks very muscular, it doen not look like a pocket rocket.
the interior is even more surprising, with those seemingly sport seats.
what bothers me a lot is the fact that there are 2 SE-R trims.
if the regular SE can make it to 60 in 7.7 and the SE-RV does it in, say 7.1 where does that leave the regular SE-R
i think the regular SE-R should get the 2.0QR and be renamed SE and lose most of these options
i think there should be one SE-R the 2.5QR putting out 180 at the least

my point is the sentra starts at 11 grand
then the SE is at 15 grand
the SE-R would probably be 17 grand
and because of all the extras on the V it would probably be 19-20 grand
people, that is a 9000$ difference between trims. make one SE-R at 18.5 and i am happy.
cuz if people can afford a SE, they want to go one step higher, in this case that would bar them the pleasure of driving the V wheras if there is one trim of SE-R people would be forced to buy that one only.

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01-07-2001, 05:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Maximummax:
cause no one is going to purchase the sentra with a mid 7.4 sec 0-60 sprint with a frontier front fascia. this is sick.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So the blue one is the SE-R and the yellow one is the SE-R V spec? From the looks of the blue sentra I like the front end and it doesn't really have any resemblance to the Frontier. However a link was poseted a while ago with a yellow sentra that had a very frontier inspierd frontend. I hope they stick with the blue front. If they don't I'll have to get the dealership to swap them when I get my very spicy sentra. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

BTW I love this car. The interior rocks. Rockford Fosgate stereo? Damn, go nissan. Something about the touring car look that I just love. I don't mind the 4 doors and I'm a 25 year old single guy. Maybe that's why I own a 99 G20. But you never know there may be a coupe version in the works but I doubt it. Could be nissan is working on bringing in the S15 and dont want to have two coupes in the same price range. If there was an ~180hp lower trim level S15 in the nissan line up for around the same price the coupe sentra would NEVER sell! I know where my money would be.

Jason Steeves www.g20.net (http://www.g20.net)

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01-07-2001, 05:39 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
i think there should be one SE-R the 2.5QR putting out 180 at the least

my point is the sentra starts at 11 grand
then the SE is at 15 grand
the SE-R would probably be 17 grand
<snipped a bunch of pricing speculation><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess the American public (at least according to you) wants their trim levels simple. I personally like the options. It's like, OK here's your Sentra SE-R for all you puratian (sp?). Now for all you riceboy types that only buy manuals anyway here's sentrazilla with a six-speed manual with pseudo racing seats a brand name aftermarket stereo and some ricy bits you would have probably put on anyway. Think of the SE-R Spec V as a kind of tuner special. Or you can think of there still being one SE-R just with a different package options.

Jason Steeves www.g20.net (http://www.g20.net)

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01-07-2001, 06:15 AM

I'm kinda dissapointed with the HP figures, but we'll see how they do on a strip. Also I think that having a v-spec with only 10 more hp is baloney. For some reason Nissan loves to hype 5-10 hp from a damn exhaust. Just look at the G20 and the I30. The se-r should be simply 180hp, and Nissan should save the ricey 'V-spec' tag to compete with the type-R.
Also, does anyone know if the SR20 will be killed? It just seems from a marketing point of view that the QR20 should take over the SR soon

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01-07-2001, 06:18 AM

THE SER V only has another 10Hp...??? And a 0-60 of low 7's is this how they wanna compete against the GSR ? Nissan better be just joking about the SER V having that lame 0-60 time!

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01-07-2001, 06:43 AM

Well, looks like the SE-R isn't quite being marketed as a Type-R competitor with that estimated 0-60 time. It looks like the car is being marketed to compete with the current GS-R though (I think cars with 0-60 wihtin 1 second of each other are fairly competitive; however, I've seen times as low as 6.2 for the Type-R, and it's believable, if you've ever seen a well-driven one run at a dragstrip).

I'm a bit disappointed too with the peak power though - but then again, I didn't think Nissan could get 180 ft-lbs torque out of that motor. Regardless, Nissan really needs to implement their variable valve lift technology into some of these engines. I also think they should just eliminate the SE-R, and leave the SE-R V-spec.

As far as that 0-60 estimate goes, I think it's a bit conservative. I'm guessing that the SE-R Spec-V should weigh in at ~2800 lbs, and have nice gearing with that 6-speed. I'd honestly expect to see some of the fastest 0-60 times to be a few ticks ahead of the fastest GTI VR6 times, putting the SE-R V-Spec in the mid-6 second range.

I can't wait to see how the road tests come out. That preview didn't have any mention of tighter suspension (i.e. stiffer springs) with the SE-R V-Spec (compared to the "base" SE-R)...

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01-07-2001, 07:00 AM

Guys,

The car looks cool. The engine, in my mind, is a little to big to make so little power (nothing a turbo or a SC could fix). I will have to drive one first to see if I want it. And if I had to choose between the 2, I would choose the SPEC V because of the tranny. And if/when I do get one, it would have no wing, no side skirts, and another set of 17s other than the enkei knock-offs it has on there now (RACING HART SOUNDS GOOD!!!). I figure that w/ a chip, cams, headers, and a new and improved exhaust, the car can EASILY put over 200 at the front wheels. NOW THAT WOULD KICK ASS!

JUST MY $.02
BEN

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01-07-2001, 07:02 AM

0-60 in low 7 for spec V? Should be pretty accurate, consider that a BMW 325i has a similiar number(7.2 sec). It'd be very unlikely that the spec-v will get a mid 6 0-60 bone stock. I agree, the spec-v will only be able to drag with the current GS-R and might even loss to the next base Integra. The car need more power...

Russ2kSE

01-07-2001, 07:28 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Dolby 7.1:
0-60 in low 7 for spec V? Should be pretty accurate, consider that a BMW 325i has a similiar number(7.2 sec). It'd be very unlikely that the spec-v will get a mid 6 0-60 bone stock. I agree, the spec-v will only be able to drag with the current GS-R and might even loss to the next base Integra. The car need more power... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why? My SE Sentra, 2k, 5spd, has taken SI's and GSR's. So I don't think the SPEC will have a problem at all. I ran my car at the track and did 15.8 at 84mph out of 7 runs 4 were 15.8s, the others 15.9s, and 2 bad runs in the 16s. All my runs had 2.2 60fts.

GTR

01-07-2001, 10:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by borguesian:
I emailed my "doctored" pictures to Nissan, telling them that some of us were dissapointed it isn't a 2 door. I also tossed up the Idea of making the SE-R a 4 and the Vspec a 2 door. The pictures can be seen here:

http://home.earthlink.net/~borguesian/Newser2dr.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~borguesian/Newserwhite.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

*your* doctored pics? i believe someone else did the one that's white, lowered, with a wider air dam, and with a 'GTR style' SE-R logo on the grille. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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01-07-2001, 10:51 AM

I think the power output is GREAT! The Mercury Cougar's 2.5L V6 makes 170hp and 165 ft-lbs and weighs 3000lbs. The 00-01 Sentra SE weighs 2670, the Spec V can't weight 1000 more lbs from a different engine and tranny I don't think. I really think with the Torsen that thing is going to be a REAL Type R chaser, if not passer. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif Plus it's got a 6-speed which only the Celica GTS can equal in the US with a FWD car.

Hey, the Spec V will probably be the cheapest 6-speed ANYTHING sold in the US. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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01-07-2001, 10:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by noelsaw:
Actually the preview article had this...

"The base SE-R features sport-tuned front and rear shocks and a front tower-brace for added suspension feel. It’s connected to the road via 16-inch wheels. The Spec V one-ups the base SE-R, it’s front spring rates have been increased 15 percent and rear spring rate has been increased 16 percent and there is improved shock absorber tuning. Slick 17-inch wheels complete the package."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, thanks for correcting me... I guess I'm blind. I think I read that as the SE-R and SE-R V-Spec having spring rates 15% in the front and 16% in the rear over the base model.

Dolby 7.1, I'm fairly confident that the SE-R will pull mid-six second 0-60 times if the car weighs in the ~2800 pound neighborhood as I'm guessing, a bit better if the car weighs less. The 325 weighs 500+ pounds more than what I was guessing for the SE-R V-Spec (although it also probably has a broader powerband than the SE-R V-Spec will). I'll admit, typical times will probably be very low 7-second/very high six second times. If the GS-R can do very low 7-second 0-60 times, with less power (and presumably less "area under the torque curve" in its powerband), and similar weight, the new SE-R V-Spec will be capable of mid-six second 0-60 times if Nissan is smart with the gearing (well, it has a six-speed, so that's a start I guess). When we get more info. on the engine/chassis/gearing, I might even try to punch this stuff into the old version of Cartest if I'm not feeling too lazy...

And Russ2kSE, I personally think the true measure of quarter mile performance is trap speed. You've gone through the traps at 84 mph on the run you mentioned. While 15.8 is probably more than enough to run with, or even beat, the average Civic SI/Integra GS-R/Prelude driver (believe me, a lot of the guys and gals I've seen at the track don't even come close to "magazine times," even with modifications), those cars will come in at a higher trap speed. Integra GS-Rs and Preludes are capable of running 90 mph trap speeds in stock form. This means if you got only a small lead off of the line, a GS-R or Prelude would walk by you pretty badly once you hit 3rd gear. A Civic SI would edge you out in the same situation. Therefore, I personally think it's really not fair to imply that the Sentra SE can take SIs and GS-Rs (and Preludes, since these are about as fast as GS-Rs in the quarter mile). You should instead brag about your incredible driving skills. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

Finally, I think SE-R fans do have a lot to look forward to. A small, "torquey", powerful motor in a light car such as the SE-R [V-Spec] sort of makes me think of the small cars that use the VW VR6 (Jetta, GTI, etc.) And when the aftermarket picks up, we'll probably all be even more impressed.

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01-07-2001, 12:42 PM

Ok im a real enthusiast and i love what they did to this car (v-spec the only one there should be) but im affraid that it will be over 20k. I belive the power however ample for the class is going to prove puney compared to th new type r and wrx. When u think that the New wrx will have 227 hp and 230 tq with all wheel drive and close ratios for only 4 grand more, only true die-hard se-r people would pic it over the wrx. Im not bashing the car, but i am a little dissapointed, but atleast their trying. 200hp would have been more like it. But i guess if your on a budget and want a good performer then the se-r v might be worth it. But as is its my second choice after a new wrx
Just my 2 cents

Infiniti

01-07-2001, 12:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by TunerENT:
Ok im a real enthusiast and i love what they did to this car (v-spec the only one there should be) but im affraid that it will be over 20k. I belive the power however ample for the class is going to prove puney compared to th new type r and wrx. When u think that the New wrx will have 227 hp and 230 tq with all wheel drive and close ratios for only 4 grand more, only true die-hard se-r people would pic it over the wrx. Im not bashing the car, but i am a little dissapointed, but atleast their trying. 200hp would have been more like it. But i guess if your on a budget and want a good performer then the se-r v might be worth it. But as is its my second choice after a new wrx
Just my 2 cents<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

DOes the WRX have 225hp in the US or in Japan only?

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01-07-2001, 01:08 PM

japan wrx uses a variable vaulve type engine and puts out 240hp and 245tq. i have seen video of 1/4 mile runs at 14.1 at 98mph. us spec version should run around 14.5 around 93 or 94 mph. I ran the vpsec sentra on cartest as close as i could get, and it ran 6.9 and 15.1 at 92. I belive this is a little optamistic but it will beat the low 7's proclaimed by the spec sheet. As far as aftermarket goes, the wrx will be untouchable. This awd drive car with one computer and water system upgrade will put 50 hp more than stock. The old wrx sti with 280 hp ran 13.6 @ 105. The sentra would need a blower, new cam, headers, heads and a 50 shot to even come close. All those mods will cost several thousands of dollars, or the extra cost of a wrx.

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01-07-2001, 02:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by TunerENT:
japan wrx uses a variable vaulve type engine and puts out 240hp and 245tq. i have seen video of 1/4 mile runs at 14.1 at 98mph. us spec version should run around 14.5 around 93 or 94 mph. I ran the vpsec sentra on cartest as close as i could get, and it ran 6.9 and 15.1 at 92. I belive this is a little optamistic but it will beat the low 7's proclaimed by the spec sheet. As far as aftermarket goes, the wrx will be untouchable. This awd drive car with one computer and water system upgrade will put 50 hp more than stock. The old wrx sti with 280 hp ran 13.6 @ 105. The sentra would need a blower, new cam, headers, heads and a 50 shot to even come close. All those mods will cost several thousands of dollars, or the extra cost of a wrx.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe, lots of numbers. I like that.

Where did you get the gear ratios for your test car in Cartest, and what weight did you use? Also, cartest is generally close, but I still believe the SE-R V-Spec will hit the mid-six second 0-60 mark (of course, assuming it is as light as the current Sentra). I agree with the 92 mph trap speed though through the quarter mile. As a matter of fact, using this calculator: http://www.dsm.org/tools/calchp.htm
I was able to get an HP estimate of 181, on 2800 pound car + me in the driver's seat using that trap speed.

You're right about the WRX probably being a better buy than the SE-R if you're looking to spend ~$20,000, and looking to modify your car later on. It's easy to get extra power out of a turbo, and AWD is great for putting power down. However, even the old SE-R is capable of running mid/low 13-second quarter mile times with full bolt-ons and a 50-shot, without a blower. Regardless, you are right about the possibility of a naturally-aspirated SE-R hitting that mark (new or old) being a long-shot.

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01-07-2001, 03:24 PM

Well, I think what many of us are getting at and I agree totally is that I am not buying a $20,000 Sentra, regardless of what it has. Lets wait (and hope) for the pricing to be released. If we are lucky the top model might be $18k or so.

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01-07-2001, 03:55 PM

Does anyone know the prices of the se-r and spec-v?

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01-07-2001, 04:28 PM

A new sentra se on carpoint.com made with all the options, moon roof, 6 disc, side airbags and manual tranny came to 18,133 so i would almost garontee that the vspec will be above the 20k mark if not both versions. i just hope nissan releases the pricing when the nissan site updates at 12:10 a.m. et. going back over some old tests i found several interesting tidbits that yall may like. Celica gts hp=185, with considerably less tourque that this sentra ran a 15.1 @ 92. (Motortrend.com) Only 6-speed car with simular numbers as the sentra. considering Hp to weight ratios, the maxima with a 5 speed and 222 hp and tq will run low fifteens with 0-60 times in the mid 6's. I think the sentra is capable of this as well. My prediction is a 6.7 to 60 and low fifteens in the 90's for trap speed for the sentra. WRX should be a good 3/4 second faster in both catagories but with the sentra gaining in the top end. In refrence to the gears i used for cartest, i used the 91 se-r's 5 speed as i can not even guess what the ratios will be for the 6-speed trany in the v-spec. Also the 91 se-r did not have this bad ass diferential in it or the rubber that will hold the hefty 180tq rating. Will be good to see when all is said and done. probably have to wait for the next month issue of motor trend and car and driver to get accurate results.

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01-07-2001, 04:39 PM

http://www.mazdausa.com/newmodels/default.asp
Mazda is fighting back, if they had the engine to back it up, they might be up to kicking some sentra ass http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

Nismo

01-07-2001, 04:42 PM

I'm disappointed with the low power. I was really hoping for over 200hp. 180hp is not bad, but if it's true that even Nissan only projects low 7 second 0-60 times then the car is either heavy or has a very non-linear torque curve (or both). This car will place squarely in the middle of the pocket rocket crowd. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif It might finally be able to overtake the discontinued Civic Si in a straight line, but will continue to be trounced by stock GSRs, Type Rs, GTSs at both autocross and the dragstrip.

One nice point: if even the Spec V engine only manages 72hp/L in stock form then the engine will probably respond well to aftermarket mods, making it's chances in modified classes much, much better.

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01-07-2001, 05:11 PM

There is no way that the old Civic si would be able to best this new car. civic si, 160 hp, 111tq runs a 7.2 to 60, and 15.7 @ 88 mph. sentra has 20 mor hp, 70 more tq, and an extra gear. im sure the new sentra is not much heavier that the 2612 lbs of the civic. this car will eat the si alive. i state again low 15's and 90+ mph trap speed. Hondas have great hp for their size and the vtec technology is very good, but these puny engines just dont have the tq to handle the se-r. But i cant wait to see what happens when the civis resurects the si with the new body style, we gonna have another great tuner war between these two long rivals.

GTR

01-07-2001, 05:14 PM

a lil interesting tidbit...
http://www.**********************/forums/showthread.phtml?threadid=17700

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01-07-2001, 05:31 PM

I dont know who he is but if he's telling the truth then thank god. but i would like to have the side skirts and spoiler.

The_Chosen_One

01-07-2001, 05:39 PM

Ok, this is not acceptable under current conditions. Ok, the 1999 Sentra SE (5 speed) did 0-60 in around 7.8-8 seconds (as does the current 2000-2001 Sentra SE 5 speed). Firts with 140 HP, then with 145. How in the HELL can they tell us that adding 30-40 more HP, only gives us a .5 second better result? WTF!? I PRAY that these figures are for the SE-r aUTO version, Also, what is the deal with only 10 extra HP as an option? Why bother (unless they are drastically geared differently). Other than that, this car looks GREAT, the rear is MUCH improved over the current. This is by far the best looking Sentra ever (even if it isn't 2 doors). And the inside...OMG! S15 and the new Z got some competition on the interior. I do wish it was offered in coupe version (who knows it may still be a possibility), but the Mitsu Lancer sure is popular for a 4 door...Right!?

Nismo

01-07-2001, 06:06 PM

In case I sounded too negative in my last post, let me say that my final opinion is reserved until the price is known. For $18k or under, a fully-optioned Spec V would be great. At around $20k, it's not such a good deal anymore. Too far beyond $20k and they can forget about selling any.

SHIFT_6speeds

01-07-2001, 06:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by BlaxicanYIIK:
Ok, this is not acceptable under current conditions. Ok, the 1999 Sentra SE (5 speed) did 0-60 in around 7.8-8 seconds (as does the current 2000-2001 Sentra SE 5 speed). Firts with 140 HP, then with 145. How in the HELL can they tell us that adding 30-40 more HP, only gives us a .5 second better result? WTF!? I PRAY that these figures are for the SE-r aUTO version, Also, what is the deal with only 10 extra HP as an option? Why bother (unless they are drastically geared differently). Other than that, this car looks GREAT, the rear is MUCH improved over the current. This is by far the best looking Sentra ever (even if it isn't 2 doors). And the inside...OMG! S15 and the new Z got some competition on the interior. I do wish it was offered in coupe version (who knows it may still be a possibility), but the Mitsu Lancer sure is popular for a 4 door...Right!?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you on the performance speculations. It has got to be in the mis to upper 6 sec range to 60mph. Hell, a generation ago the Max had only 190hp and the 5 speed had it in the upper to mid 6 sec to 60mph! This SE-R has got to be kicking some real booty here!

And I love the front end on this thing Nissan did. Do not think of it as Frontier, think of it as Nissan corporate imaging. They did a geat job. Looks very aggressive, muscular and tough. Appears to have "fangs". Great Job Nissan. I always felt the original SE-R deserved it's own look in 91. Now it has it!

Remember also, 4 doors equal cheaper insurance! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

SHIFT_6speeds

01-07-2001, 06:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Nismo:
In case I sounded too negative in my last post, let me say that my final opinion is reserved until the price is known. For $18k or under, a fully-optioned Spec V would be great. At around $20k, it's not such a good deal anymore. Too far beyond $20k and they can forget about selling any.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

V-spec for 18 grand? Gee, Honda Civic Coupe EX is at 17 grand. And that sucker has drum brakes, 127 hp, no torque (compared to Nissan offerings) and plastic wheel covers! Compared to Civic, This SE-R Vspec is still a value at 20 grand! But it should not go for more than that. Food for thought...

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01-07-2001, 06:41 PM

Well with the addition of the 20th aniversary maxima to the line up, the regular se droped in price. Lets hope that the v-spec is no more than 19, or nissan is gonna have some hell to pay, especially if the performance numbers are as claimed. There is no way that anyone is gonna buy a 20k sentra that is only marginaly faster than an se which has 0-60 times of 8 sec. If all is as seen then nissan ust lost my business and im sure several of yall aswell. subaru here i come

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01-07-2001, 08:56 PM

I love this car! If they can keep the price down, I think they hit a homerun. Very good competition to the Civic Si. It doesnt have the Hp per liter like a honda, but it has the Torque of a V6. I think nissan is being very conservative with its performance #'s, with that much hp and torque it should be able to hit 60 in under 7 seconds.(unless it gained an extra 500lbs)

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01-07-2001, 09:29 PM

what kinda 1/4 times can this put out

noelsaw

01-07-2001, 09:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Pit_Viper:
I can't wait to see how the road tests come out. That preview didn't have any mention of tighter suspension (i.e. stiffer springs) with the SE-R V-Spec (compared to the "base" SE-R)...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually the preview article had this...

"The base SE-R features sport-tuned front and rear shocks and a front tower-brace for added suspension feel. It’s connected to the road via 16-inch wheels. The Spec V one-ups the base SE-R, it’s front spring rates have been increased 15 percent and rear spring rate has been increased 16 percent and there is improved shock absorber tuning. Slick 17-inch wheels complete the package."

Chris93SER

01-07-2001, 10:43 PM

At first, I looked at the four doors and uttered a series of four letter words. Then looking more at the pics and reading more about the engine and suspension specs, the Spec V grew on me. I have a 1993 SE-R w/ STILLEN exhaust (5 speed of course). The '93 hauls ass. Judging by the specs of this new SE-R, this one too looks like it'll haul ass. I have one concern, and that is the curb weight. That will be the major determiner of whether a good driver is gonna get high 6's or low 7's on a path to 60. I have no doubt in my mind that this engine's power output is going to be excellent, as Nissan has not let us down in the past. I am just worried about the extra weight due to the four doors, and other cool amenities. The people who posted predictions of low 15's in the 1/4 E.T. and mid 6's in the 0-60 seem to know what they are talking about when it comes to cars. Let's just pray they're right. If they are, the Type R's gonna have a nice 6-SPEED competitor. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif Oh, and Acura, the SE-R Spec V has got one nice thing your Type R doesn't. A sunroof. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

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01-07-2001, 10:45 PM

This is one SWEET looking car, although I am a little dissapointed about the V-Spec output, I was expecting at least 200 hp, but I will say that I like that front end it looks KILLER! And that interior with Rockford Fosgate stereo. I think that this car (V-Spec) will be able to get a low to mid 0-60. The 91 Max SE was able to get a 6.7 0-60 and it weighed a little over 3100 lbs with 190hp 190tq, so the sentra with 180/180 and 2800lbs??? should easily get 6.5 or less! Well I cant wait to be able to test drive one of these and hopefully I WILL buy one!! Cant wait to see that new Maxima SE-R with 280 hp.

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'87 Sentra

01-07-2001, 10:57 PM

My friend is a die hard Toyota fan (yes, he can be a boring guy too... he he he) and he first wanted to get a Celica GTS, now he wants to get a Camry Solara coupe, he one to believe that there is nothing more to the world than a Toyota Ha!!!

All I know is that I will smoke him when I get my Sentra SE-R Spec V for much less money than he is paying.

thearabian

01-08-2001, 02:16 AM

I am REALLY REALLY excited about the 180 torque!!!
i was expectin around 160
wow 180 on a light car like that!!!

mark my words this is my next car and the 2007 Z is the one after that (i think they missed out on the 2003)
in 2010, i think a Maxima is in order

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01-08-2001, 03:38 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Nismo:
I'm disappointed with the low power. I was really hoping for over 200hp. 180hp is not bad, but if it's true that even Nissan only projects low 7 second 0-60 times then the car is either heavy or has a very non-linear torque curve (or both). This car will place squarely in the middle of the pocket rocket crowd. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif It might finally be able to overtake the discontinued Civic Si in a straight line, but will continue to be trounced by stock GSRs, Type Rs, GTSs at both autocross and the dragstrip.

One nice point: if even the Spec V engine only manages 72hp/L in stock form then the engine will probably respond well to aftermarket mods, making it's chances in modified classes much, much better.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm... we're being a bit harsh here. Honestly, the original SE-R was pretty much dead-even with the new Civic SI in a straight line, and could be competitve with GS-Rs with a few "bolt-ons". The old SE-R could probably out-handle the SI and the GS-R stock (well, I'm not sure about this, but one instructor at an open-track event made this comment after riding in an SE-R with stock suspension - he owns a GS-R). The new SE-R will definitely be able to take the current GS-R and current Civic SI in a straight line (as long as the car is not heavy, that is). It will most likely be fairly even with the Celica GTS (heh, sorry guys, but this is how I see it - it should be faster, but, as Nismo said, I don't think the torque curve is that great). Regarding the torque curve, it falls off kind of fast. I do not have a curve available for the QR25DE, but I've seen one for the QR25DD:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/camcavers?e&.intl=us&.flabel=fld3&.from=d&.pindex=4&start=1&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/camcavers%3fd%26.flabel=fld3%26.intl=us%26.src=ph

This is one of the reasons the car has a 6-speed, I think. Aftermarket cams will do wonders for this engine, I believe, and it may be possible to use even more aggressive cams than what's available for the current SE-R (without comprimising drivability too much), since this engine has variable-valve timing. Regardless, the car will be towards the top of the "pocket-rocket crowd" (if the new Acura RS-X coupes are going to indeed be "3-series fighters," as Nismo suggested) I think, but it's surely not going to dominate.

Also, be sure to check out that link to Mike Kojima's comments (posted in an earlier comment). What he says was somewhat in line with my guesses, although oddly enough, the SE-R V-Spec is faster than the Type-R in the quarter mile according to him. I find it a bit hard to believe (and I can't quite question him - this guy is very knowledgable, to say the least), but we'll see...

By the way, is Honda unvieling the specs of the new RS-X at the auto show? If so, I assume everything will be posted on vtec.net, right?

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01-08-2001, 06:34 AM

Keep in mind guys that manufacturers estimates on performance times generally run a bit conservative. If these figures come from Nissan, then you can subtract up to .5 secs off the 0-60. This car will beat a GSR flat out. 180hp/180torque is unbeatable and may beat the type R. Keep it MAX around $20k for the type V and they have a winner. If they keep the "base" SE-R around $18-19k they have an even bigger winner there.

240Xtrm

01-08-2001, 06:53 AM

I say Nissan should've made the SER a two doors instead of a four doors. What are they trying to do? Make it compete with the Neon Peon R/T? A coupe Sentra SER looks better then a sedan Sentra SER.

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01-08-2001, 07:00 AM

Guys, I agree with Fast200. Those numbers are probably just estimates. I'm sure Nissan has done their test already but they also don't want to give out all the excitement. 0.5 seconds less is a good estimate onthe 0-60mph time. It's also a way for Nissan to help us get lower insurance ratings. Imagine if Nissan came out right and said "0-60 in 6.5 seconds". Insurance will be HIGH for this car.

I own a 96 200SX SE-R with the regular bolt on mods like JWT POP, JWT ECU, HKS Exhaust and HotShot header. Those of you who have the exact same mods and run 1/4 miles know that this car runs easily in the low 15s and if you are truly a drag racer, you get high 14s in the car. My car is estimated to have probably 175HP and about 155lb-ft of torque. The car weighs 2646 lbs with me on the scale. If the new SE-R Spec V weighs about the same or less considering fewer options on the car, I believe the car should run 0-60 in ~6.7 to 6.8 seconds. 1/4 mile times should be around 14.9 to 15.1 depending on how you launch the car, how you shift. Hmm..speaking of which, we still don't know what the rev limiter on this car is yet or if there's a speed governed limiter.

Keep in mind that it is the useable torque in the original SR20DE engine that makes the SE-R such a fun car to drive unlike the Integra GS-R and Type-R where you need to really be between 7000-8000 RPMs to get the car anywhere. But even then I think the SE-R and SE-R Spec V aren't direct competitors to the Integras but probably more so to the Civic Si. Nissan will probably not price the SE-R Spec V over $20K, unless you want all the options. But if you want all the options, you are going for the wrong car in the first place. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

It's a nice car from my point of view. 4 door sport sedans is in now. It's time to sell my SE-R. $8000...anyone? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by fast200:
Keep in mind guys that manufacturers estimates on performance times generally run a bit conservative. If these figures come from Nissan, then you can subtract up to .5 secs off the 0-60. .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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240fan

01-08-2001, 07:20 AM

this car is going to be sweet with 180HP
if the v-spec is under 20 It is a viable replacement for a tired 240sx.

slowpoke

01-08-2001, 08:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by 240fan:
this car is going to be sweet with 180HP
if the v-spec is under 20 It is a viable replacement for a tired 240sx. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think the front end makes it look like a mini Mustang. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

slowpoke

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01-08-2001, 08:14 AM

the nissan site is up but its a little slow cause im sure all of u guys are there at the moment. Even if this car wont beat the next generation integras which will by the way cost nea 30k its a real competator especially in the young market. A 280 watt 9 speaker rockford fosgate stero is awesome. this little ********** is gonna run and thump in style

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01-08-2001, 08:42 AM

I can't believe the negativity that is floating around. Granted a lot of you like it, but Disappointed with 180 HP? WTF... that is kickass. Also, I didn't see a lot of mention about the 180 LB FT of torque. Hell this will make it a rocket at all speeds. Granted the gearing has yet to be shown, but with a 6 speed tranny it's gonna haul. Some of you mentioned the speed of the VR6 Golf (which shares similar output numbers)and if the new Sentra's numbers are indicitive of the performance that I suspect it's capable of,then we are all in for a very nice treat! And as stated, those comments on ********************** were made by Mike Kojima himself. Very few of us have spent the time in and around Nissan's like Mike has. He gave a glowing review of the SE-R Spec V stating that he himself was going to buy one. In addition supposedly Dave Coleman of SCC was raving about the car. This car is light years ahead of what I expected from Nissan, given it's rebounding financial status. I guess the bottom line is we can speculate all we want, but until we have driven the car we'll never know!

late,
wes
www.wes.nissanpower.com (http://www.wes.nissanpower.com)

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jochi

01-08-2001, 10:17 AM

That Mazda Protege MP3 looks HOT........ even stock it looks nice. Very underrated car. Makes the Sentra look down right silly. Performance wise, I hope what that guy in the Maxima forum said is true. Time will tell.

Infiniti

01-08-2001, 10:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by jochi:
That Mazda Protege MP3 looks HOT........ even stock it looks nice. Very underrated car. Makes the Sentra look down right silly. Performance wise, I hope what that guy in the Maxima forum said is true. Time will tell.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The SE-R V will have 180hp and 180lbs of torque while the Mazda will have 140hp and 145 lbs of torque.

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01-08-2001, 11:11 AM

I think the new SER is great and the spec V even better. As far as power goes it is definitely alot better than before. You have to understand that the Honda Civic Si,Integra GSR, or Celica GTS can compete with that torque the SER spec V has. Even the 2.0 sentra post almost identical 1/4 mile times as the Si yet the power on the Si 15 more hp but the torque sucks beans, but since the torque output almost match the hp on the 2.0 sentra it's time is almost the same. I'm pretty sure the new Integra is going to have so so torque. I'd be suprised if was even in the vecinity of the spec V range. I believe that the SER Spec V will be quicker than alot of people expect. Also I'd like to add the compared to a Teg Type R you Get alot more than The type R. I'v seen them go for $30,000 and that was when they didn't come with a/c. Personally I would rather have a/c, sunroof and the other stuff than be hotter than hell in TX. This car could be a contenda.!

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01-08-2001, 11:14 AM

In my recent post I put that the si,gsr,type r,and celica gts can compete with the torque on the SER spec V. I meant it can't. All of their torque suck beans.

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01-08-2001, 07:07 PM

check out this review from mike kojima from sport compact car. http://ubb/forum1/html/004554.html

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01-08-2001, 07:11 PM

sorry try this www.altimas.net/ubb/forum1/html/004554.html (http://www.altimas.net/ubb/forum1/html/004554.html)

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01-08-2001, 07:12 PM

that link lets whomever know that this car is for real and really was made to battle the type r

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01-08-2001, 08:29 PM

Everywhere I read I see that Acura wants to price the RSX below $20,000 http://www.detnews.com/2001/autoshow/0101/08/a05-173133.htm http://integra.vtec.net/02integra/bm_article.html
I really hope that isn't true.
But on the up side I think that all the competition is good.With a more variety of cars within the 200hp range it should make things more interesting.

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01-08-2001, 09:41 PM

I agree with wes (above). Ok, it's not going to revolutionize the auto industry, but 180hp with similar torque would be sufficient for me. And there's more to driving fun than just straight line acceleration. I do agree with one of you guys who said they should've done less (changes) to the front end and more to the back end.

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01-08-2001, 10:54 PM

Hello everyone. I'm sorta new here (or at least posting-wise). I've been following the various Fresh-alloy topics since last year's unvieling of the new Sentra. To me, the new Sentra last year was a little disapointing and the new SE-R is an improvment but still somewhat dissapionting.

For starters, they still did nothing with the ugly ass end...all they did was change the spoiler. Front end, just a new bumper...and nicer side skirts for the sides. Oh, and don't forget the mandatory riced-out bright yellow color to go with the whole package.

The new engine would be nice....if it where a 2.0L and not a brand new design. Now seriously, this is Nissan new engine design with Variable timing and all their new-found expertise at building engines and it is 2.5L and only puts out 175HP? WTF is up with that!!! I'm sure the people and Honda are laughing at this one. A 2.2 L Prelude engine makes 200 HP and decent torque.

If I were the head honcho at Nissan, I would have forgot about the whole SE-R idea. I'm sure you all know about the Nissan Silvia in Japan. As reviewed by Sport Compact Car, it beats every single other 4 cylinder coupe in every category (including Acura Type R and Celica GTS). Something like 250HP, 200lb-ft, 5.6 sec 0-60, and rear wheel drive. I think SCC priced it at 20000 bucks American if you change the price in yen over to $$. So now we are being offered a 20000$(est.) Sentra 4 door? And the kicker is that the Sivia pretty much has the same engine as the Sentra SE (SR20 family) with a turbo bolted to it.

Obviously there would be issues like changing the Silvia to left hand drive and different emmisions standards but surly the whole thing could be done with out sacrificing too much power and inflating the price.

Moral of the story? It all comes down to money and I think in the end there is only room for one true sports car at Nissan...that being the new Z. It will be priced at under 30000$. If they were to also sell a car similar to the Japanese Sylvia at 20000-23000$ which would pretty much out-perform the new Z, they would have a conflict of interests here, no? So give us poor folk (like me) an expensive Sentra and sell the 30000$ Z to the rich people and Nissan makes alot of money. Well, that's my conspiracy theory and I'm stiking to it!! LOL

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01-09-2001, 12:08 AM

I have to agree I am a little dissapointed with the specs of the new SE-R, I mean Nissan made a newer, bigger (.5)liter engine than the previous and only managed to get an extra 30 hp and 40 tq from it. What happened to modern technology, they could have at least squeezed out 200 hp? Well all in all I like this car I really like the body and even the rear-end, the car isnt really a dissapointment to me, I WOULD BUY ONE, but I am upset with the fact that in the states Nissan doesnt bring us higher powered cars like the Silvia and Skyline or even just more powerful engines in its current line-up.

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01-09-2001, 05:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by 240Xtrm:
I say Nissan should've made the SER a two doors instead of a four doors. What are they trying to do? Make it compete with the Neon Peon R/T? A coupe Sentra SER looks better then a sedan Sentra SER.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree a 2 door would be nice,but 4 doors sell better overall..and Nissan didnt design the new Sentra as a 2 door(that im aware of). It costs alot of money just to delete 2 doors and Nissan is just getting out of finacial binds! Its alot more cost effective right now to just build the SE-R off the existing 4 dr platform/body.If the car sells good enough and 2 doors get popular again..im sure Nissan will accomodate you. Thats why Dodge dropped the 2 door Neon im sure..lack of sales for it.

Nismo

01-09-2001, 06:43 AM

I'm not sure that the Spec V model, despite the name, even has variable valve timing. Anyone know for sure (a Nissan news link would be nice)?

For a racy "Spec V" 2.5L engine 180 hp seems disappointing--Acura's 1.8L makes 195 hp while Honda's 2.0L makes 240--but remember this: low-tech engines generally respond well to mods. If it's true the stock engine makes 180 lb-ft of peak torque then consider moving that peak up the powerband up to 6500 RPM with aftermarket parts. It would then be making 222 horsepower. Even 160 lb-ft at that speed would net around 200 hp.

I really do see the stock Spec V's placing near the middle of the FWD pocket rocket crowd, while the modified Spec V's place nearer the top. BTW, I agree with slowpoke about the front end looking like a mini-mustang--that was my first impression too, and I like it.

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01-09-2001, 08:00 AM

I think that the Spec V model does have variable-valve timing, if I'm reading correctly. From the SE-R coverage article:

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>
QR series technology was based ob Nissan’s famed VQ V6 like a modular engine design, micro-finished crank journals and cam lobes, molybdenum coated lightweight pistons, electronically controlled throttle and continuously variable valve timing.
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Remember, that VTEC not only consists of variable-valve timing, but also variable valve lift - in fact, the extra duration and lift caused by the "big" cam profile is primarily what's responsible for the top-end on VTEC-equipped (or VVT-i, NEO VVL equipped-motors for that matter). It is probably difficult (and therefore expensive) to make more power than what the QR25DE is putting out now without using such variable-valve lift technology. How many other naturally-aspirated 2.5 liter motors make significantly more power (significant being 20+ HP, arbitrarily)?

Of course, the question remains: if Nissan has variable valve timing and lift technology already (SR20VE, SR16VE), why wasn't it implemented in the QR25DE? Is Nissan in that much of a slump that they could not afford the R&D costs of producing such an engine?

Anyhow, I admit that I'm disappointed with the overall torque curve of this motor (I posted a link with the image earlier, although this is the QR25DD, it should be similar). However, I still see the SE-R V-Spec being towards the top end of the pocket-rocket crowd, unless the RS-X isn't going to be marketed as a 3-Series fighter as initially suggested (there are conflicting reports, but one report says the price range for the RS-X is projected to be $15,000-$20,000). Aside from the Celica GT-S, what other cars will give the new SE-R V-Spec competition?

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01-09-2001, 10:26 AM

I just traded my 1990 240sx for a 2001 Sentra SE. The guy at the dealer said that they are going to be selling a new SX soon. The new S15 Silvia would be awesome.

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by boy_racer2001:
So the blue one is the SE-R and the yellow one is the SE-R V spec? From the looks of the blue sentra I like the front end and it doesn't really have any resemblance to the Frontier. However a link was poseted a while ago with a yellow sentra that had a very frontier inspierd frontend. I hope they stick with the blue front. If they don't I'll have to get the dealership to swap them when I get my very spicy sentra. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

BTW I love this car. The interior rocks. Rockford Fosgate stereo? Damn, go nissan. Something about the touring car look that I just love. I don't mind the 4 doors and I'm a 25 year old single guy. Maybe that's why I own a 99 G20. But you never know there may be a coupe version in the works but I doubt it. Could be nissan is working on bringing in the S15 and dont want to have two coupes in the same price range. If there was an ~180hp lower trim level S15 in the nissan line up for around the same price the coupe sentra would NEVER sell! I know where my money would be.

Jason Steeves www.g20.net (http://www.g20.net)

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01-09-2001, 12:43 PM

Hey guys, my first post...

First off, I want to say right off the bat, I think Nissan producing ANY V-SPEC cars is great. I love the '91-'94 SE-R and I am glad to see it return. I learned how to drive stick on a '92 SE-R and absolutely loved it.

I want to make some comment and clear up some misconceptions about a lot of the cars stated as its chief competitors.

I think 180 hp and 180 ft/lbs. are great numbers to start out regardless. Unfortunately, they made it 4 doors. This is going to be a problem because you know and I know that the V-Spec is probably going to weigh around 2800lbs. Moreover, because its a sedan, I think Nissan will gear it a little bit more prudently. These two primary factors lead me to believe that 0-60 time will be in the mid 7's with 1/4 times in the high 15's to 16s flat. Decent numbers no doubt.

But, I don't think it is going to be able to compete HEAD ON (I do belive this car will be in the mix and be a competitor) with the 200 hp RS-X, my Celica GT-S, and the ITR. Since pricing of the RS-X may be more than what people think (I for one believe it will be around 24 base), I will speak for the latter two.

Both the ITR and GT-S weight less and are geared more agressively. ITR do quarter mile times in the low-mid 14's and the GT-S does it high 14's BONE STOCK. For the GT-S, Motortrend posted 6.8 and 15.2, and R&T had it at 6.6 and 15 flat. Reason: my GT-S weights about 2450-2500 lbs. give or take some accessories. This makes a real difference. Guys at newcelica.org are posting times with intake/exhaust of low 14's. Again, head on, I don't think the V-Spec is going to as fast; BUT, I do believe it will still be competitive and with a better driver give me, ITRs, and Lude's trouble.

My only gripe is pricing, if the V-Spec costs around 22k, then why not a GT-S?

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2zzge
2000 Toyota Celica GT-S

Nismo

01-09-2001, 01:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by 2zzge:
My only gripe is pricing, if the V-Spec costs around 22k, then why not a GT-S?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Welcome to the board 2zzge. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif
In answer to your question, it may be because you can't actually buy a GT-S for 22k (at least I couldn't). I looked at every single Celica GT-S in Baton Rouge and the cheapest one I could find (with ABS, etc.) was over $25k, while some were priced over $27k. That's one of the reasons I bought a GS-R instead, everything comes standard and they don't rip you off with window etching, etc. (all that stuff came free). In the end, the Spec V's success will almost assuredly come down to pricing. We finally have the horsepower numbers, now I wonder how long we'll have to wait for weight and pricing info?

The_Chosen_One

01-09-2001, 01:35 PM

Let's say all the figures (except HP) were the same for this Sentra as for the current one. Logically, a higher dispacement engine and 30-40 extra HP will take off 1 second atleast! I see the new Sentra SE-R hitting anywhere around the mid to high 6's to get to 60 (pushing on 7 flat). You all keep comparing it's weight to the early 90's coupe Sentra SE-R ..Why? You need to compare it to the current 4 door, that has the exact same engine and nearly the same dimensions.

**DONOTDELETE**

01-09-2001, 02:54 PM

Here's a question for all you engine buffs!

Ok, if the Sentra Se puts out 145 HP from a 2 L that comes out to 72.5hp/L

The SE-R puts out 170HP from a 2.5L, we get 68hp/L. That's almost 10% less HP/L.

Now,in general, what sort of relationship does power have with displacement? Is it linear? Logarithmic? From a technological standpoint, this engine is inferior to the sr20 engine if you look power/liter. You'd figure nissan's brand new engine design with all it new technologies would be better than an engine that's over 10 years old!

Food for thought i guess.

**DONOTDELETE**

01-09-2001, 03:05 PM

But if you really think about it, its not difficult to see. The SR20, alothough stout, is a 2.0L motor. although the torque is killer for the size of the motor, its not sufficient. The bigger the motor is, the more torque you can get out of it. And I don't know if you ever noticed, HP is not what gets you out of the hole, its the torque and where you can use it. HP is for higher end of the RPM range. As far as the math of it, I don't know and I'm not gonna pretend to know. But I will almost bet on it that the new motor can handle more than the SR20 and be able to surpass it in every category in the aftermarket parts (i.e. run more boost, hold more power in stock mode)

Just my $.02
BEN

Nismo

01-09-2001, 03:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by browntrout:
Now,in general, what sort of relationship does power have with displacement?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>At 100% volumetric efficiency an engine provides about 65 lb-ft of torque per liter of displacement. Torque is measured; horsepower is computed using torque and engine speed. The formula for computing horsepower is Torque * RPM / 5252 (this is why the torque/horsepower lines on a dynograph always cross at 5252 RPM).

Since power is basically torque * engine speed you can see there are only two ways to get an engine to make more power: increase torque OR keep torque constant while revving the engine faster (or both). The easiest way for an engine designer to increase torque is to increase displacement.

One more thing: at higher RPMs, a well tuned engine can provide more than 65 lb-ft per liter. Most good 'racy' engines provide peak torque of 105% to 110% volumetric efficiency (they suck in air so fast they can draw in more than their displacement suggests). Some really good designs--like one of my personal favorites, the S2000--have a volumetric efficiency of 120% or more! Incidentally this is what bugs me when people say the S2000's motor is not a good design because it's torque sucks, when it actually provides more torque than any other production engine in the world for its size. Oh well, I digress... Anyway, hope that helps answer your question. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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01-09-2001, 04:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by 2zzge:
Hey guys, my first post...

I think 180 hp and 180 ft/lbs. are great numbers to start out regardless. Unfortunately, they made it 4 doors. This is going to be a problem because you know and I know that the V-Spec is probably going to weigh around 2800lbs. Moreover, because its a sedan, I think Nissan will gear it a little bit more prudently. These two primary factors lead me to believe that 0-60 time will be in the mid 7's with 1/4 times in the high 15's to 16s flat. Decent numbers no doubt.

But, I don't think it is going to be able to compete HEAD ON (I do belive this car will be in the mix and be a competitor) with the 200 hp RS-X, my Celica GT-S, and the ITR. Since pricing of the RS-X may be more than what people think (I for one believe it will be around 24 base), I will speak for the latter two.

My only gripe is pricing, if the V-Spec costs around 22k, then why not a GT-S?
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You think it'll run high 15s-16s flat in the quarter mile? Or you hope? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif Kidding, of course - you sounded like a Celica salesman just now though. The current Sentra SE runs those times with an engine that has 35 less peak HP, and ~48 less peak torque. I know some people tend to defend their cars a bit, but just remember that competition is a good thing - do you think the upcoming RS-X would be as powerful as it is if it weren't for the existence of the Celica GT-S and the Eclipse GT?

Honestly, I do think this car will be able to compete with the Celica GT-S, easily. And none of us know how the car is going to be geared, but why would the Spec-V have a 6-speed, and the "regular" SE-R have a 5-speed? I think the car will definitely be geared agressively - the focus is on performance. Even with tall gearing relative to the original SE-R, the car wouldn't be a slouch - remember that the VW cars based on the VR6 engine are all geared fairly tall, and do quite well at speed (although the powerband on the QR25DE isn't nearly as broad).

Would I buy an SE-R V-Spec? No - although I care very little about style, I dislike 4 doors. Also, I do a bit of drag racing for fun, and I'm getting into road racing as well, so I like a flat torque curve up top - I'd shell out the extra cash and get an RS-X instead. Better yet, I'd buy a used 3rd gen. RX-7 (no reliability comments please, hehe), but that's another story...

We'll just have to wait and see. As for now, the only insight as to how well the car performs was given by Mike K. of Sport Compact Car, who claimed this car was comparable to a Type-R, instead of the GS-R it was designed to go head-to-head with.

Where was the estimated price for the V-Spec listed as $22,000? I've only seen $18,000 so far.

Infiniti

01-09-2001, 04:58 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by browntrout:
Here's a question for all you engine buffs!

Ok, if the Sentra Se puts out 145 HP from a 2 L that comes out to 72.5hp/L

The SE-R puts out 170HP from a 2.5L, we get 68hp/L. That's almost 10% less HP/L.

Now,in general, what sort of relationship does power have with displacement? Is it linear? Logarithmic? From a technological standpoint, this engine is inferior to the sr20 engine if you look power/liter. You'd figure nissan's brand new engine design with all it new technologies would be better than an engine that's over 10 years old!

Food for thought i guess.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think of it as this. Nissan can obviously tune this engine for 200hp and at least 190 lbs of torque. But they want to save this engine for the next and put out those numbers. They dont want to spoil its max output for the SE-R for another 2 to 3 years. In a few years, about 2.5 or 3, the next gen Sentra will be here. So IMO, Nissan is saving the rest of its power for the next gen. OR, they didnt want to get everything out of the engine completely just yet. I dont know, just ignore me. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

01-09-2001, 05:40 PM

I think we're being a little hard on Nissan on this one.
Ok,lets bring some new contenders into the ring.
SE-R Spec-V 2.5l i-4 180hp 180lb-ft tq

from www.msn.com (http://www.msn.com) I used the highest hp engine available
VW GTI 2.8l v6 174hp 181lb-ft tq
the spec-v has 6 more hp and 1lb-ft less tq and the spec-v has 2 less cylinders.not bad IMO
Chevy caviler 2.4l i-4 150hp 155tq
almost same displacement.spec-v 30more hp 25 more lb-ft tq.again not bad.What I'm trying to say is these are pretty good specs for this engine.I know Nissan could have made them better but its still good.What it dosen't have in hp it makes it up in torque.

now for the usual suspects

SE-R Spec-V 2.5l i-4 180hp 180lb-ft tq weight-(about)2700lbs i used the se's weight and rounded up to 2700

Celica GT-S 1.8l i-4 180hp 130tq weight-2500lbs
now if celicas are pulling 6.6-6.8sec. 0-60
15.0-15.2sec 1/4 mile stock(as posted earlier)
then i think nissan's estimates are a little conservative.the spec-v with 50 more lb-ft of torque and 200 more lbs than the celica.I'm guessing 6.7-7.1sec. 0-60 15.2-15.5 1/4 mile

Type-R 1.8 i-4 195hp 130lb-ft tq weight-2639lbs
now i think this would be a tough one.

And for pricing why is $18,000-$19,000 so far fetched?I would be more suprised if the new Acura RSX was inbetween $15,000-$20,000 like Acura wants.
ranting over http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Linus (edited 01-09-2001).]

**DONOTDELETE**

01-09-2001, 05:47 PM

Maybe in reality Nissan lied to us about the 180hp and this engine actually puts out over 200hp, so when the rest of the competition get there A$$ whooped they'll be surprised it was just an underrated Sentra. I hope that it does cause we need some POWER!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

Nismo

01-09-2001, 06:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Linus:
...now if celicas [GT-S models] are pulling 6.6-6.8sec. 0-60 15.0-15.2sec 1/4 mile stock(as posted earlier) then i think...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, don't be fooled. Under standard conditions, completely stock GT-Ss pull low 7's to 60. The problem is their engine's peaky torque curve. These cars perform VERY well at speed, but because they lack a flat torque curve performance suffers anytime the RPMs drop below their peakish high--which for another odd reason happens momentarily during the first two shifts, 1st to 2nd and 2nd to 3rd. The car would perform a lot better if Toyota would flatten the torque curve and gear the transmission more for speed and less for emissions and fuel economy. Who knows, they may do both of these things in the next couple of years.

mzf

01-09-2001, 09:15 PM

I just have one question... how much will it cost?!?

The_Chosen_One

01-09-2001, 09:41 PM

More importantly, when can we buy it? and I better not hear "Next Year"!!

tbear

01-09-2001, 09:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Pit_Viper:
How many other naturally-aspirated 2.5 liter motors make significantly more power (significant being 20+ HP, arbitrarily)? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Daewoo Leganza uses 2.5L V6 180hp, and Nissan's own VQ25DD V6 210ps

[QOUTE] Of course, the question remains: if Nissan has variable valve timing and lift technology already (SR20VE, SR16VE), why wasn't it implemented in the QR25DE? Is Nissan in that much of a slump that they could not afford the R&D costs of producing such an engine?
[/QUOTE]

I think the reason why Nissan avoids using variable timing and lift is to make SE-R affordable. I read somewhere that the new integra would cost approx the same with the old. Maybe in the high 10s to low 20s. I believe SE-R (even the spec v) would be cheaper by at least 2 grand.

I agree with your concern on the torque curve. However, the review by SCC praises it for useful powerband. So hopefully the QR25DE is good on that.

**DONOTDELETE**

01-10-2001, 03:33 AM

I think that even the Vspec Sentra will be significantly lower in price than a comparible Celica or Integra/Integra replacement. Nissan has to keep this car under 20k,otherwise it steps too far into the Altimas market. A current SE starts around $15,500...maybe $18,000 if you load one up.They are not going up another 2 grand in price.The Acura and Celica contenders are well in the 20's if im not mistaken (their "hot" models..not the little base models).Personally,if I was in the market for a front driver..I would buy a GXE MAX with a stick for what those little Celicas cost price wise.

Nismo

01-10-2001, 08:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>I think that even the Vspec Sentra will be significantly lower in price than a comparible Celica or Integra/Integra replacement. ...The Acura and Celica contenders are well in the 20's if im not mistaken (their "hot" models..not the little base models).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It'll probably be lower than the new Celica and RS-X. The current model Integra GS-R is barely above $20k (I paid exactly $20k for mine). The nice thing about it is there's no options, everything comes standard: leather, ABS, CD, even floormats. But by the time the Spec V comes out, Acura will have replaced the Integra with the RS-X, which I suspect (no proof though) will cost around $25k give or take.

Right now the Sentra is not even considered a real competitor in the 'pocket-rocket' segment. Regardless of cost, I think the new Spec V will place nicely in the new 2002 crowd consisting of: Acura RS-X, Subaru WRX, Sentra SE-R Spec V, Celica GT-S, maybe a new Civic Si, and a few others. The Sentra will also be among the cheapest to buy--translating into a very good bang-to-buck ratio--which should help sales.

**DONOTDELETE**

01-10-2001, 03:35 PM

after all this talk and now that the SE-R has finally arrived, i'm just blown away by it!!! but there is just one minor set-back for us in Canada? is the SE-R/SE-RV coming over to Canada as well? can anyone confirm this or have any thoughts? i hope it does or else i'm coming over the boarder just to get at it!!!! =D=D=D

thearabian

01-10-2001, 05:51 PM

Will the SE-R have a lower ride?
i really hope so because all nissans are TOO high off the ground!

**DONOTDELETE**

01-10-2001, 08:33 PM

If this is the same engine thats gona be in the altima. then i guess it well have 180hp and no more because thats what was stated for the specs on the upcoming altima.

'97 S14 SE Turbo

01-10-2001, 08:47 PM

Speaking of engine, here's a picture some one took of the new QR25DE

http://www.zing.com/picture/p8b5ca59027bff77d58865977d7212f77/fefa581b.jpg.orig.jpg

You can see that this engine features variable induction plenum (two path per each cylinder), small profile head (compared to the SR's monster, about same with KA), and variable intake cam timing system. What interest me was the two ports right next to the oil filter. Those look like a perfect attachment for oil cooler... Could that be a hint? Also, NDIS or Nissan Direct Ignition System (coil on plug).

All in all, a very, very nice engine!!!

**DONOTDELETE**

01-14-2001, 04:48 AM

"Also A helical limited-slip differential is standard on the SE-R Spec V. This mechanical differential is torque sensitive and provides instantaneous locking for increased traction and performance"

Sounds like they're describing a Torsen LSD to me. If so, then "provides instantaneous locking for increased traction" is not necessarily correct. A Torsen LSD does not "lock" the tires like clutch type LSDs or Nissans old viscous LSDs.

It is torque sensing as they say, but as one tires begins to lose traction and can no longer apply half the torque available to the ground, the diff will start transferring torque to the other tire ... no, it won't lock the tires, it will transfer more torque. The amount of torque transferred depends on the bias ratio (ranges from ~ 2.5:1 to over 6:1) ... and unlike a VSLD that Nissan has tradionally used, a Torsen unit reacts instantly.

However, there are limitations. If 1 tire can put 0 (zero) torque to the ground, then 0 (zero) torque can be transferred to the tire with traction. So say one tire is on pavement, the other on snow or ice, the tire on pavement will get no torque transferred to it because the tire on snow/ice can transfer 0 torque to the ground. Applying the e-brake will allow torque to be transferred to the tire on pavement as you're artificially applying resistance to the tire on snow/ice.

This is an awesome diff for autocrossing and heavy cornering since it's not mearly a locking diff, but will transfer torque to the outside tire which will help pull the front end around the corner. And it's completely seamless and it reacts instantly without noisy operation (as I've heard clutch types like Kaaz diffs can be noisy). But, it does not mearly lock, it's much much better than such a diff.

Here's a great link explaining their operation: http://www.mindspring.com/~audidudi/Torsen.htm

Dan

Infiniti

01-14-2001, 05:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Maximus_One:
Maybe in reality Nissan lied to us about the 180hp and this engine actually puts out over 200hp, so when the rest of the competition get there A$$ whooped they'll be surprised it was just an underrated Sentra. I hope that it does cause we need some POWER!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont hold you breath on it though...

Infiniti

01-14-2001, 05:17 AM

**DONOTDELETE**

01-16-2001, 04:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Infiniti:

Dont hold you breath on it though...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It Says here and I quote "Available Fall 2001, the new 185-hp version will raise the SE-R performance to dizzying heights." 185-hp seems to bee the bar for the first run. This is Directly out of Nissan written literature that I received at the NAIAS Show in Detroit. And for everyone whom has something bad to say about the new Z, they are f'n out of thier minds. It is georgeous, absoulutly awe inspiring. It looks like it is in constant motion.

**DONOTDELETE**

01-16-2001, 05:42 PM

I love power too but damn!The Sentra this fall will be available with almost the same horsepower as that Maxima your neighbor bought two years ago.Nobody complained in 99' about the 190 hp Max!(which didnt perform bad at all).If some one told me in 99' a Sentra would be available with 180 hp id tell them they were crazy!
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Maximus_One:
Maybe in reality Nissan lied to us about the 180hp and this engine actually puts out over 200hp, so when the rest of the competition get there A$$ whooped they'll be surprised it was just an underrated Sentra. I hope that it does cause we need some POWER!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

'87 Sentra

01-16-2001, 08:58 PM

I personally think that 180hp should be enough for city and highway driving, especially for a car of the size of the Sentra, but to imagine that the new SE-R Spec V will not be the one to beat is very sad.

However we must all remember that Nissan is in the process of rebuilding and that some compromises will have to be made so we may not get 200hp+ in this iteration of the SE-R but who knows, maybe the response will be so overwhelming Nissan will make a coupe that looks different and is ready to kick some more but. Besides, I think that a car like the Sylvia would be more appropriate to compete with the Integra or the Celica (because it would spank their booties with lots of ease he he he he)

Another thing, I like the new look of the SE-R but I don't like the spoiler of the uneven look of the front bumper. I think Nissan should use a spoiler that looks more along the lines of the current spoiler for the SE, and a front bumper that looks more like the panels are not out of line with the rest of the body. Perhaps bigger tail lights, maybe add some more lights to the trunk door so the back does not look so "cute."

Nismo

01-17-2001, 07:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Zcarnut:
The Sentra this fall will be available with almost the same horsepower as that Maxima your neighbor bought two years ago. Nobody complained in 99' about the 190 hp Max!(which didnt perform bad at all). If some one told me in 99' a Sentra would be available with 180 hp id tell them they were crazy!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>We're in the middle of a new golden age for powerful automobiles. Enjoy it while it lasts.

SHIFT_6speeds

01-17-2001, 10:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by TunerENT:
Ok im a real enthusiast and i love what they did to this car (v-spec the only one there should be) but im affraid that it will be over 20k. I belive the power however ample for the class is going to prove puney compared to th new type r and wrx. When u think that the New wrx will have 227 hp and 230 tq with all wheel drive and close ratios for only 4 grand more, only true die-hard se-r people would pic it over the wrx. Im not bashing the car, but i am a little dissapointed, but atleast their trying. 200hp would have been more like it. But i guess if your on a budget and want a good performer then the se-r v might be worth it. But as is its my second choice after a new wrx
Just my 2 cents<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

have you seen pricing on the wrx? These things can get retty close to the 30k price! I think 26k is going to be average for a wrx. If the SE-R is at around 20k, 6k difference in price is quite a bit...
food for thought

tbear

01-17-2001, 12:13 PM

yea, it translates to about $200 per month difference in 3-year financing. That's quite a lot of money.

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
have you seen pricing on the wrx? These things can get retty close to the 30k price! I think 26k is going to be average for a wrx. If the SE-R is at around 20k, 6k difference in price is quite a bit...
food for thought<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SHIFT_6speeds

01-17-2001, 06:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by '97 S14 SE Turbo:
Speaking of engine, here's a picture some one took of the new QR25DE

http://www.zing.com/picture/p8b5ca59027bff77d58865977d7212f77/fefa581b.jpg.orig.jpg

You can see that this engine features variable induction plenum (two path per each cylinder), small profile head (compared to the SR's monster, about same with KA), and variable intake cam timing system. What interest me was the two ports right next to the oil filter. Those look like a perfect attachment for oil cooler... Could that be a hint? Also, NDIS or Nissan Direct Ignition System (coil on plug).

All in all, a very, very nice engine!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A vain comment here...

I always loved a clean neat engine compartment. VW VR6 GTI (and Jetta) engine compartments are just gorgeous to look at. Then I look at Nissan and the engine compartments are just array of stuff. Even black tape! Can Nissan design an appealing engine bay? I love my SE-R (1991), but that engine bay...Great car, great engine, but I just keep the hood closed..lol

**DONOTDELETE**

01-19-2001, 10:45 AM

Yes i have seen the pricing on the wrx and it is 23495 to start, the only options are wheels and a spoiler. but i would not get the wheels anyway they are ****, so my wrx will cost around 24500.

**DONOTDELETE**

01-19-2001, 10:47 AM

Man,
Have yall seen super street this month? I think when i get my SE-R im gonna bore it out....make it a QR27DE...In super street there is a silvia witha SR20DET bored out to SR22DET, for those who dunno....2.2 liters...it pumps out jus about 600HP!!!!.. Now that is 273HP per liter. From an origional 2.0 liter. We are talkin sentra SE and old SE-R and G20 engine. Now lets see...2.7 times 273 is... boom 736 Horse. OH ****....and make it jus bout .1 liter more than a Skyline stock. F--K!!!!...im gettin a V-SPEC with 6 speed... Notice the clues Nissan gives us. A 6 speed manual and a 2.5 liter engine with only 180. Nissan is telling us to get our assess nismo parts and turbo charging. 180 is not bad...YALL NEED TO THINK AFTER MARKET!!!! Stop complaining! Its marketing not wussyness. Sheesh...stop bad mouthing nissan...i luv em... =)

Teddy

**DONOTDELETE**

01-22-2001, 04:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by NismoR35:
Now lets see...2.7 times 273 is... boom 736 Horse. OH ****....Nissan is telling us to get our assess nismo parts and turbo charging. 180 is not bad...YALL NEED TO THINK AFTER MARKET!!!!

Teddy<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Voided warranty! Ooh snap!

**DONOTDELETE**

01-22-2001, 06:06 AM

Dont forget to add freight/destination charges to that number...Your gonna be over 25 grand no matter what!I dont know what freight is on a Suburu but its $540 for Nissan now!

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by TunerENT:
Yes i have seen the pricing on the wrx and it is 23495 to start, the only options are wheels and a spoiler. but i would not get the wheels anyway they are ****, so my wrx will cost around 24500.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The_Chosen_One

01-22-2001, 01:55 PM

Voided warranty!? Hmmm.. I never had to use mine, Nissans don't ever break down so why you need a warranty! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif Anyways, it's his personal choice to put added stress on the engine. It's not for everyone, but if you got the money and passion, I say go for it.

SHIFT_6speeds

01-23-2001, 01:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by BlaxicanYIIK:
Voided warranty!? Hmmm.. I never had to use mine, Nissans don't ever break down so why you need a warranty! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif Anyways, it's his personal choice to put added stress on the engine. It's not for everyone, but if you got the money and passion, I say go for it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But....isn't the new SE-R going to be made in Mexico like all the new Sentra's? For that reason, keep that warranty! You are probably going to need it. That almost (almost) makes me re-think my buying decision..

**DONOTDELETE**

01-23-2001, 05:48 PM

Well, if u have the will to turbo charge...do u need a warranty? I can do all the task myself. Its takes the will. Plus...if u know how to work with the ECU...no dealer trips. N e ways, can sum1 please tell me if the Auto Show of houston is gonna have the sentra SE-R???? IM IN HOUSTON AND I WANNA KNOW!!!!....too lazy to pay and find out....

Teddy

The_Chosen_One

01-23-2001, 08:45 PM

What's wrong with being made in Mexico? I really don't understand that comment, because apparently cars made in America (domestics) have not been so hot in the past until recently. And some may argue if they have made any improvement still. Please elaborate.....

SHIFT_6speeds

01-24-2001, 07:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by BlaxicanYIIK:
What's wrong with being made in Mexico? I really don't understand that comment, because apparently cars made in America (domestics) have not been so hot in the past until recently. And some may argue if they have made any improvement still. Please elaborate.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

History points to cars made in Mexico to be of less quality...VW has had problems with their Golfs and Jettas made in Mexico (remember the VW Fox made in Mexico?), not that they are major problems, but just mostly fit and finish quality. I was even reluctant to purchase my 1991 Sentra SE-R because it was made in the states. And at 1st it had a lot of warranty work done because of some poor fit and finish probelms, and it even had the wrong clutch in it! (ARGH! My 2 previous Japan made Nissans never experienced any problems, ever)...but once all that was repaired, and warranty ran out, no more problems. I just prefer my Nissan to be manufatured in Japan. But looks like if I want the new SE-R, I have no choice. I will advise any of the new Sentra buyers to just not void that waranty. I know I wont...better safe than sorry...and if you void the warranty, you loose the lemon law....and a lemon can sneak out of the best of manufacturers...why void something that is free??? Protect yourself...

[This message has been edited by SentraSE-Rman (edited 01-24-2001).]

thearabian

01-26-2001, 06:56 PM

folks, i just got back from the International Montreal Auto Show and i saw a few things, one of them was the new SE-R

the show car was yellow

one word: stunning

i always thought the new sentra looked good, the SE-R had the extra zing, killer mags, very nice interior and aggressive front end

i am getting this car maybe spring next year

**DONOTDELETE**

01-28-2001, 05:40 PM

Just to correct Nismo:

Stock GT-S do 0-60 between 6.5-6.8s with a 3000-4000rpm lanuch which is pretty damn standard in testing.

Also, you CAN keep the revs over 6 grand on the 1-2 shift. You just have to be a good shifter (no, not powershifting, but shifting very fast and chirping the tires, you land around 6200rpms).

Also, more news, apparently someone got hold of a SE-R brochure and it has 185hp not 180 which sounds great! Again, all that remains is curb weight and gearing, that is going to be the real deciding factor on fast it will be. I would have preferred a smaller displacement engine with VVT then a bigger inline 4 (though turbo does ring a bell).

2zzge

**DONOTDELETE**

01-30-2001, 02:25 PM

Lets see!?? Where to start..
Looking over most ALL of the posts, I see some good and strong points of interest. And alot of guessing and wishing. Well, lets continue with the HP one.
Nissan is infamous for detuning the ECU and restricting the Intake/Exhaust. So, considering this. Let us work on a CAI which will easily put 10HP up and a freeflow CAT (add 4 more HP). Now let us take the " retard in gear" out of the ECU and the Detent for succesful smog passing. AND now we are talking an easy 18HP(not passing up the change in timing and valve set, etc. etc.)
So we can HONESTLY look at 210-215HP on the 180HP 2.5. Nissan has packed alot into the NEW Sentra with most American features. Yet the SUBJECT of 2DR should be thought of. THis I agree upon.

Nismo

01-30-2001, 03:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by 2zzge:
Just to correct Nismo:
...you CAN keep the revs over 6 grand on the 1-2 shift. You just have to be a good shifter (no, not powershifting, but shifting very fast and chirping the tires, you land around 6200rpms).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I probably just wasn't shifting fast enough in the GTS I test-drove. After every shift the power felt really weak for about a second or so until the RPMs climbed back up again.

**DONOTDELETE**

01-30-2001, 08:16 PM

I WANT ONE!!!...but, i want it with 2 doors...the rockford system can shrivel away for all i care, when for about half the price of the option, you can go to your local Best Buy and get all new stuff and have it installed. i do not like the variation between two SE-R's. i am with the peeps that want just the vspec, than down to normal (10 hp is nothing to 'dollar whore' about). I am not willing to pay anything more than 18K for one, and all i really want from nissan is the tranny, moonroof, and the bomb interior. i don't want to see this car turn out the same as the us' s14, where it looks A LOT FASTER THAN IT REALLY IS. the numbers everyone is posting (7.2 0-60) aren't too impressive, but the similarity between this enine and the vr6 is enticing. my friend's gti started with 172hp(?) and that thing hauls, mostly cause of all the tq. i wouldn't mind if the story is the same with our nissan. here it is: lose 2 doors, keep it around 17-18K, and have some funny ads about honda rice boys 'converting', and i will invest my hard earned chone into nissan sheetmetal again.
95 240sx SE

**DONOTDELETE**

02-05-2001, 08:54 AM

Just echoing a common sentiment, there needs to be a 2-dr version. I can't believe the Nissan design team didn't consider this to be a big issue. A 2-dr projects a completely different image than a 4-dr, and while image isn't everything it is important enough to sway a decision. IMO this car will not successfully compete with the rsx, wrx based on this point alone.

**DONOTDELETE**

02-05-2001, 03:42 PM

Ummmm....sorry to rain on ur parade but WRX is a sedan and wagon....no 2 door there buddy. If u gonna **********...get the facts straight.....

**DONOTDELETE**

02-06-2001, 01:24 AM

I don't really care about 2 or 4 doors as long as I have a real screamer in hand. And for one, having a 4 doors help getting unnoticed by cops around town and, believe me, the cops here are hungry for tickets...

Tell me... Don't you think that leaving in the dust 2 doors Integra's or Celica's while driving a 4 doors is really FUN???

**DONOTDELETE**

02-06-2001, 07:36 AM

I stand corrected on the wrx being offered as a 2-dr. I also agree that it would be stupid to buy a lesser car just because it is a 2-dr. But I suspect it will be a close call between the rsx and se-r in terms of performance, no leaving in the dust. And I also feel that most owners of the original sentra se-r were looking for a 2-dr and are somewhat disappointed it is not available, I know I am.

[This message has been edited by snaphook (edited 02-06-2001).]

**DONOTDELETE**

02-06-2001, 11:35 AM

Ok Ok, you people make me sick. You guys are suppose to be nissan enthusiests. What is this crap of comparing the new Sentra SE-R to a Civic SI. There is absolutly no comparing the two. If you want to compare a civic si to a nissan it better be a classic se-r or a 200sx se-r. The point is that Nissan is known for having cars that walk all over the competition. The always have and always will. The new sentra se-r is going to "hands down" stomp any honda civic si. I hear too many people comparing the two. I go to the import drag races all the time. And the Civic Si's are weak. Think about it. the current sentra se runs the same quarter mile as the civic si even though it is underpowered by 25hp. And the new SE-R will produce more torque and hp than the current se model. and the weight differnce is only about 60 lbs or so, weighing in at just under 2700lbs. Do the math people. That car is gonna tear A**. If you want to insult a nissan by comparing it to a Honda, then compare it to Type R or Prelude, but not my moms civic SI.

One more thing for all the NEW B's in the motorsports game. HP means nothing. Gear ratio, and weight have a huge roll to play. Example. 91 se-r 140hp vs 94 gsr 172hp. Race the two all day long and i bet that the difference would be less than .2 seconds in the quarter mile. HMMMM i wonder why. The new se-r will tear ass. My guess. under 7 seconds 0-60 and high 14's or low 15's in the 1/4.

Keep it real. keep it nissan.

Nismo

02-06-2001, 12:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by nismodriver4life:
One more thing for all the NEW B's in the motorsports game. HP means nothing.
Gear ratio, and weight have a huge roll to play. Example. 91 se-r 140hp vs 94 gsr 172hp.
Race the two all day long and i bet that the difference would be less than .2 seconds in the quarter mile.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>HP means nothing??? Are you new to motorsports; do you have a driver's license?
As for the Sentra vs. GSR--they're both good cars in their own right--I've driven them both (145hp Sentra vs. 170hp Integra)
and the Sentra is a lot further behind than two-tenths of a second.

thearabian

02-07-2001, 11:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by nismodriver4life:
Ok Ok, you people make me sick. You guys are suppose to be nissan enthusiests. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

dude relax, a big part of being a nissan fan is also appreciating other companies for decent engineering, we are not all "nissan fanatics"

the SI is old, and it is a fast, little, and cheap car. the GSR is also fast, comes in lower 2 door and is actually sporty.

that does not mean i would pick an SI over the SE-R, im just saying, have an open mind.

**DONOTDELETE**

02-07-2001, 12:54 PM

Are you new to motorsports; do you have a driver's license?
As for the Sentra vs. GSR--they're both good cars in their own right--I've driven them both (145hp Sentra vs. 170hp Integra)
and the Sentra is a lot further behind than two-tenths of a second.[/B][/QUOTE]

Ok ok. I said that hp means nothing. and you have to take into consideration weight, grip, and gearing. So perhaps you need to read again what i said and actually understand what i said. This is how it goes. Hp means **** if the car weighs alot. perfect example. sentra se-r vs dodge truck. sentra 140 hp. dodge truck 275 hp. yet the sentra has a 1/4 time over 1 second faster. DUH. thats what i ment by hp means nothing. And about the se-r vs gsr. i don't rember the 91 se-r having 145 hp. you should get your figures straight. I have raced plenty of GSR's. and everytime it was i won or hung right there and no one pulled away. So there is no need to attack me when i only state the truth. HP means nothing when considering weight, gearing, and grip.

Also, i'm not sure if i'm doing this reply thing right. i hope this gets posted.

SHIFT_6speeds

02-08-2001, 01:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by snaphook:
I stand corrected on the wrx being offered as a 2-dr. I also agree that it would be stupid to buy a lesser car just because it is a 2-dr. But I suspect it will be a close call between the rsx and se-r in terms of performance, no leaving in the dust. And I also feel that most owners of the original sentra se-r were looking for a 2-dr and are somewhat disappointed it is not available, I know I am.

[This message has been edited by snaphook (edited 02-06-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was dissapointed at 1st that the New SE-R was not a 2 door. At 1st...

...then I got to thinking...to develope a 2 door would cost more in developement and that would create a higher sticker. The Legacy of the original SE-R was to make a fast car out of what already exists and keep costs down. No 2-door Sentra currently exists...so we have here a new, kick-ass 4 door SE-R. AND with 4 doors, you get a more usable car, lesser noticed by the Police and CHEAPER INSURANCE http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif !! So, in retrospect, Nissan did this right and is saving us money to boot...so, I no longer miss the idea of the coupe...

[This message has been edited by SentraSE-Rman (edited 02-08-2001).]

Zed

02-09-2001, 10:47 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
I was dissapointed at 1st that the New SE-R was not a 2 door. At 1st...

...then I got to thinking...to develope a 2 door would cost more in developement and that would create a higher sticker. The Legacy of the original SE-R was to make a fast car out of what already exists and keep costs down. No 2-door Sentra currently exists...so we have here a new, kick-ass 4 door SE-R. AND with 4 doors, you get a more usable car, lesser noticed by the Police and CHEAPER INSURANCE http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif !! So, in retrospect, Nissan did this right and is saving us money to boot...so, I no longer miss the idea of the coupe...

[This message has been edited by SentraSE-Rman (edited 02-08-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree totally. If we deserve a COUPE over here in NA it should/would be the Silvia. Period.

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02-11-2001, 05:59 PM

Oh my God, I'm so in love with this car!

I was going to buy a 2001 SE with the performance package, but I am very capable of waiting now.

Holy Crap, it looks like road eating monster. The ultimate cheap(er) import speed sedan. Totally kicka$$.

This is what I was thinking of when shopping for a sporty import, I'm so hooked.

Is it true that the cost will only be a few more k for the SE-R over the SE? That would be so nice.

I can't wait for spring next year baby. Until then I'll sit here and dream about it with you guys.

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02-12-2001, 05:33 AM

the 2002 Sentra is coming out this year 2001 in the fall.....

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02-12-2001, 07:33 AM

*******FYI******FYI******FYI

My friend went to the auto show here in Portland Oregon, and got somekind of "new cars comming" news letter from the nissan booth. The new Se-r is going to have 185 hp. info Straight from NISSAN. They are going straight for the throat of the WRX and type R. I will try to scan it and post it tomorrow. My opinion is that the Se-R is going to be very very impressive with a power to weight ratio of:
2002 SE-R Vspec --14.59:1
2001 integra type R--13.51:1
2002 WRX-------------13.21:1

check out the torque to weight ratio:
2002 SE-R Vspec--15.0:1
2001 integra type R--19.5:1
2002 WRX-----------13.82:1

Basically the way it goes is the first number represents the poundage each car has to pull compared to 1 hp or 1 ft pound of torque.

If i'm right the Se-r will have sub 7 second 0-60 and sub 15 second 1/4 mile.

I think the WRX is going to be the new king of the imports hands down. you just can't mess with Force induction, all wheel drive technology and a pretty light curb weight of 3000lbs. and with the ease of gaining hp from a turbo motor the possibilities are going awesome. 300hp with simple bolt on's and with the same valve train as the japaneez wrx. a higher redline is also possible/ Either way. 2002 is the year of the imports.

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02-12-2001, 07:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by vodkajello:
Oh my God, I'm so in love with this car!

I was going to buy a 2001 SE with the performance package, but I am very capable of waiting now.

Holy Crap, it looks like road eating monster. The ultimate cheap(er) import speed sedan. Totally kicka$$.

This is what I was thinking of when shopping for a sporty import, I'm so hooked.

Is it true that the cost will only be a few more k for the SE-R over the SE? That would be so nice.

I can't wait for spring next year baby. Until then I'll sit here and dream about it with you guys.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had always planned of getting rid of my current 10 year old Stanza sometime soon for a nice shiny new Maxima SE, but now that the SE-R is coming as well as the new Altima.. its become harder for me to decide which to get! I too will sit here and dream with you all until this fall when those marvelous machines come to our nearest Nissan showrooms. *drools*

[This message has been edited by da91stanza (edited 02-16-2001).]

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02-13-2001, 02:11 PM

Yeah, I'm sure it will be my vehicle of choice, but I may be stuck waiting
for the 2nd half, or the end of the 2002 auto season so I can afford the
wonderful beast without mamoth payments.

I will be in the showroom for test drive this fall though.

I think I'll have to go for the SE-R regular with an auto, cause I talk on
the phone and eat, etc... in my car. I spend about 1 1/2 to 2 hrs a day in
my car in city traffic and I network consult onsite, so I think AT is the way for me.

drool.

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02-13-2001, 04:52 PM

I'm Sorry!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by vodkajello:
Yeah, I'm sure it will be my vehicle of choice, but I may be stuck waiting
for the 2nd half, or the end of the 2002 auto season so I can afford the
wonderful beast without mamoth payments.

I will be in the showroom for test drive this fall though.

I think I'll have to go for the SE-R regular with an auto, cause I talk on
the phone and eat, etc... in my car. I spend about 1 1/2 to 2 hrs a day in
my car in city traffic and I network consult onsite, so I think AT is the way for me.

drool.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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02-13-2001, 04:54 PM

Why are we still comparing the Se-R to the WRX????? Subaru is comparing the WRX to the 3 Series BMW and the Audi A4. The Se-R is to compete against the honda's and acuras' and the focus's of the world. Not the WRX.

One thing ...the Se-R looks friggin awesome. Cant wait to get my own mini skyline!!! I want the blue one!!! Or Black!! Can't decide...... God I hope its under 19k!!! Yeah

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02-13-2001, 05:22 PM

I just thought of some important stuf to make this car the Sh!T. #1-- The seats need to be some kick As# racing seats. I want bolsters that are huge!!! #2--- The gauges better be very easy to read and very cool looking. The V-spec pics give an idea but I dont know how easy it will be to read them. #3 --It needs a center consol armrest like the Impreza's..I like to store stuff... #4---I hear the rims in the pictures wont be the same as the actual car!! They have to be good!!!! #5 I dont see why they dont put the SE-R logo on the steering wheel like the skyline gtr!!! That would be nice.

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02-14-2001, 05:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by vodkajello:
Oh my God, I'm so in love with this car!

I was going to buy a 2001 SE with the performance package, but I am very capable of waiting now.

Holy Crap, it looks like road eating monster. The ultimate cheap(er) import speed sedan. Totally kicka$$.

This is what I was thinking of when shopping for a sporty import, I'm so hooked.

Is it true that the cost will only be a few more k for the SE-R over the SE? That would be so nice.

I can't wait for spring next year baby. Until then I'll sit here and dream about it with you guys.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I ordered mine at the MOntreal auto show. I will get it around November. The SE with sport pkg runs for about 23k, and the SpecV should be around 27k, all in CDD money. Better act fast to get one !

SHIFT_6speeds

02-14-2001, 07:38 AM

Admin: I may have missed this info somewhere, but do we yet know how many SE-R's and SE-R Vspec's are going to be produced annually? Are these a limited run in any way? Or will Nissan build as many as in demand/ordered?

Thanks for any info...

[This message has been edited by SentraSE-Rman (edited 02-17-2001).]

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02-16-2001, 06:38 AM

I know someone that attended the long lead event in Arizona. He said the car is
pretty good, doesn't spin like a VTEC, gets
rough over 5,000 rpms, but pulls like a locomotive. He's also driven the WRX.
His comment was you can leave it taller gear and it just pulls like a train. I think it will a fantastic car my (please don't flame) Beretta GTZ, unlike most sport coupes, is geared very, very tall with 180 horses and 160 lb/ft. The V will be like that also.
BTW, I have a 325iC I'm selling in Michigan if anyone wants it.

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02-16-2001, 06:52 AM

I read in Automotive news a few weeks ago that they were projecting 20,000 a year of the SE-R...Dont know how many of those will be SPECv's.They projected 50,000 Xterras originally..and ended up building/selling more than twice that..so id say how many more they build than that depends on how many of YOU buy one!

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
Admin: I may have missed this info somewhere, but do we yet know how many SE-R's and SE-R Vspec's are going to be produced annually? Are these a limited run in any way? Or will we Nissan build as many as ordered?

Thanks for any info...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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02-16-2001, 07:33 AM

OK OK. I feel stupid. Actually maybe not stupid but more missinformed. Well it turns out that the SPEC V is not the SPEC V. It's actually SPEC B. Once again. The spec v is not correct. it will be in a SPEC B form. I saw that in Motor Trend this last week. i thought it was a typo and they ment to type V, but then looking at my friends brouchure thingy from the Auto Show, even Nissan calls it the SPEC B. FYI thought all of us should know that, :)

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02-16-2001, 07:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by nismodriver4life:
OK OK. I feel stupid. Actually maybe not stupid but more missinformed. Well it turns out that the SPEC V is not the SPEC V. It's actually SPEC B. Once again. The spec v is not correct. it will be in a SPEC B form. I saw that in Motor Trend this last week. i thought it was a typo and they ment to type V, but then looking at my friends brouchure thingy from the Auto Show, even Nissan calls it the SPEC B. FYI thought all of us should know that, http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you *sure*???

Vspec would fit in well with the Mini-Skyline image Nissan is trying to project with the SE-R... (Skyline GT-R Vspec, like the SE-R Vspec, has more high tech gadgets and not much more power...)

For those who don't know, a Torsen LSD should seriously whoop those Viscous LSD's used in the SE's performance package in terms of responsiveness... funny why I don't see Nissan hyping it up. People see "Torsen LSD" and think "oh, that's just another LSD..."

- Ed.

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02-16-2001, 03:45 PM

Yeah, traffic is brutal.

Especially when a client calls you on the phone, or you get a page, or whatever....

I have to spend the extra money for an auto.

Nismo

02-16-2001, 09:24 PM

"For those who want even more, the SE-R Spec V boasts an extreme 180 hp 2.5-liter DOHC engine, 6-speed manual transmission and sport tuned suspension."
-quote from Nissan's USA website

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02-16-2001, 09:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by vodkajello:

I think I'll have to go for the SE-R regular with an auto, cause I talk on
the phone and eat, etc... in my car. I spend about 1 1/2 to 2 hrs a day in
my car in city traffic and I network consult onsite, so I think AT is the way for me.

drool.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well your not alone my friend.. I too sadly will hafta opt for an SE-R with an AT (if I don't get an Altima instead of course), for the same reasons you sight.. err well not the talk on the phone and eating stuff but the traffic stuff... Damned New York Traffic, no Spec-V for me http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif On the other hand.. one can always have 2 cars right? hmmmmm *evil grin*

[This message has been edited by da91stanza (edited 02-16-2001).]

[This message has been edited by da91stanza (edited 02-18-2001).]

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02-16-2001, 11:52 PM

Well....i have learned to shift with the right hand and steer while on da phone and eat on left hehehe....

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02-17-2001, 03:38 AM

I hope the auto doesnt take too much "fun" away from you. I drove quite a few 95'-01' SE Sentras/SE-R 200sx autos....Those were real dogs without a handshaker...Especially on the bottom end!

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02-17-2001, 10:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by vodkajello:
Yeah, traffic is brutal.

Especially when a client calls you on the phone, or you get a page, or whatever....

I have to spend the extra money for an auto.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not such a big deal spending the extra money, the big deal is the SE-R Spec-V is stick shift only, no auto.. so we, the unlucky ones, who hafta buy the auto get stuck with the "regular" SE-R no Spec-V for us http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif

[This message has been edited by da91stanza (edited 02-18-2001).]

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02-17-2001, 01:14 PM

Oh damn it!

I am going to have to learn to drive a MAN (oops, hehe).

I'll get more performance and save $1000 while I'm at it.

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02-17-2001, 02:59 PM

For me it all depends as to what I get for my weekend car.... I want a Noble M12GTO and that's 65 grand... so I'd need to get a SE-R, but if I get a Lotus Elise 190, then... I'll get the WRX.... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif course I gotta wait till all 4 of these cars get here lol

SHIFT_6speeds

02-17-2001, 05:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by da91stanza:
It's not such a big deal spending the extra money, the big deal is the SE-R V-Spec is stick shift only, no auto.. so we, the unlucky ones, who hafta buy the auto get stuck with the "regular" SE-R no V-Spec for us http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The original SE-R was not offered with an auto tranny either, but later on it was (I cannot tell you exactly when since I do not desire Auto's). So my point is either learn to drive a Manual (Once you are involved with the actual DRIVING of the vehcle,you will be hooked) OR you can be patient and wait and see if the Vspec will later be offered with an Auto... Someone once said "Patience is a virtue" and it paid off fo me...I have been waiting many years for a NEW SE-R (95-98 years do not count to me), and now it looks like my time has arrived... and a 6 speed manual to boot! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif

SHIFT_6speeds

02-17-2001, 09:55 PM

If you want more info and to view a great photoGallery on the 2002 SE-R (and all previous SE-R' as well), visit this web page:
http://www.se-r.net

ENJOY! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

02-18-2001, 01:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
.... my point is either learn to drive a Manual (Once you are involved with the actual DRIVING of the vehcle,you will be hooked) OR you can be patient and wait and see if the Vspec will later be offered with an Auto... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahh you see, thats the whole thing, not knowin how to drive a stick is not the problem here...the problem is a stick doesn't fit into how we need to use our cars. And thats what is so sad about it. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif But as I said once before.. one can always have 2 cars right??? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

Chris93SER

02-18-2001, 02:22 PM

They first offered the Sentra SE-R as an automatic in 1993. 1991 and 1992 only were offered as sticks. 1993 and 1994 were offered with the option of an automatic transmission. My 1993 SE-R is a stick, however. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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02-21-2001, 04:51 AM

OK OK>>>ED....i feel even more stupid now. Well, i looked at my friends nissan book he got from the auto show. It never said a thing about Spec B. He is full of ****. But i did see with my own eyes that the newest motortrend had a half page on the new se-r and they said spec b. prolly a typeo. but who the hell knows.In the handout from nissan they also say 185 hp. But i guess we have to wait till it comes out. This kind of stuff happens alot when a new car is coming out. People get excited. But with my own eyes i saw the 185 hp in the newest nissan handout. I don't know, i think i should stop listening to rumors. BY the way, i hear a lot of people talking about getting an AUTO. as far as the se-r is concerned, and prolly most other auto vs stick. it's gonna be lacking alot of performance, unless you plan on powershifting your auto. I have a friend who has an auto 200sx, her best time was a 15.2 with header intake exhaust. (i don't recomend using her technique though as it is hard on auto transmissions.) but when she just steps on it off the line. she is over a full second slower in the quarter. Something to keep inmind. It's mostly just off the line, so don't be surprised when the punk in the civic si pulls away. LOL

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02-21-2001, 08:28 AM

I will back the 185HP on the Spec V,B,r?hee hee. I have seen the brochure and a spot add
on speedvision coverage of the LA and Detriot Autoshows. Heck, if it is so, it is easy to make.
Just add a smoother, wider flowmeter(MAFS)and breathing
chamber. With the combo of exhaust, VIOLA`!.
And, IF the 2.5L-4 is based off the RB25, there should be room to bore and stroke more HP!!!
I know! The limb is getting smaller, yet Christmas IS coming..
http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/cool.gif

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02-22-2001, 05:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by spec240sx:
....And, IF the 2.5L-4 is based off the RB25, there should be room to bore and stroke more HP!!!.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sorry to dash your hopes, but the new engine is based on the VQ not the RB

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02-24-2001, 12:51 PM

":In answer to your question, it may be because you can't actually buy a GT-S for 22k (at least I couldn't). I looked at every single Celica GT-S in Baton Rouge and the cheapest one I could find (with ABS, etc.) was over $25k, while some were priced over $27k"

I got my 2001 GT-S for $22,000 plus tax of course and it had the following options: ABS, Spoiler, and the 16's. I also had to have the Toyota dealership here in Carson City, NV special order it for me. BTW, the MSRP the way I got it was $23,000 or so. So A GTS with the essentials (6 speed, ABS, bigger wheels/tires) can be had for about $22,000, at least around Northern Nevada.

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02-26-2001, 12:41 PM

Here is my take...

The car looks great, heck, it even feels great and I have not even touched it yet! The only thing that I don't like is the male anatomy looking stick shift http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif I will buy one but only if the following condition are met:

1. The car actually does 0-60 in less then 7 seconds. The Integra VTEC should be the standard in this field and I expect Nissan to really make a statement with the SE-R VSPEC. After all, a 2.5L engine with an out put of an 1.8L? Does this engine use a straw for intake? Totally, grossly under achieving.

2. The price is less then $22K. Yes, despite the popular idea that prices be kept under $20K I think this is a great deal if it costs less then their competitors. Look at the Toyotas and the Acuras, $22K plus for their GT-s and VTEC, I don't think Nissan want to start a price war right now, but as long as they keep it competitive it will make the other boys nervous.

3. It has to be a regular production model, I am sick of having to hunt for parts that does not exist. If this is going to be some special limited production model then I'd say forget it. There won't be any after market support for these limited editions, especially a 2.5L 4 bangger moduler engine that does not fit into another Nissan.

4. Nissan better tell their dealers not to "price above invoice" when dealing with these cars. I swear if they do that I am going down the street to the Acura dealership and buy a Type-R.

I finally convinced my CFO (AKA Old Lady) to purchase a new car. Her only critaria is that the car contains nothing with the word "turbo" in it... My 240 KA has gone through some serious Sh#! with the turbo project and she is just sick of watching me drain more and more money into it. I thought about the Audi S4, but then again her law school tuition is just killing me right now. So this pocket rocket, value driven philosophy is really catching on with me. I hope Nissan make the wait worthwhile because I can't stand driving the Maxima much longer!

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02-26-2001, 03:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by bigbuyer2477:

4. Nissan better tell their dealers not to "price above invoice" when dealing with these cars. I swear if they do that I am going down the street to the Acura dealership and buy a Type-R.

[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you expect the dealers to not go above invoice with this car you're going to be very disappointed.

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02-27-2001, 01:27 PM

Well, if they are going to stiff me like the Subaru dealer tried to the other day with the WRX, then all I can say is: Adios M.F. !

Like I said, anything below $22k is fine with me, even if the invoice is $18K. I am only willing to pay $22K for this car and not a penny more. The bottom line is they better not sticker it $22K and try to get $25K for it!

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02-27-2001, 02:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by bigbuyer2477:

... There won't be any after market support for these limited editions, especially a 2.5L 4 bangger moduler engine that does not fit into another Nissan.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

According to current unoffical (my bet is this will be offical soon enough) information, the 2.5L I4 QR series engine that powers the SE-R is going to be the base engine of the new 2002 Altima. So your comment that it doesn't fit into another Nissan is not a valid one.

[This message has been edited by da91stanza (edited 02-27-2001).]

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02-27-2001, 03:08 PM

Yes the 2.5 has been confirmed to be in the altima as the base engine. The price will be under 20, i will not pay more than that. it is not a bargin at 22k because the wrx is 24 and u get alot more than the ser offers. Dont expect to get much less than msrp if any. I seriously doubt it will be sold for a penny less than msrp

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02-27-2001, 06:56 PM

A large number of of the comments on the new SE-R seem to focus on two main themes - HP numbers and door count.

Let's cover the HP thing - Yes, I'd like to be able to spank every Honda/Acura/whatever in the stoplight grand-prix too, but there's a lot more to an engine's character than the raw numbers suggest. One of the things that makes or breaks an engine as a good daily driver (while not in 10/10th's thrashing mode) is flexibility - my semi-gutless 240SX pulls like a tractor anywhere above 2000 rpm even in fourth or fifth. In daily driving this saves me from having to sit in a lower gear (motor screaming) or constantly downshift for hills or gaps in traffic. My wife's previous '88 Integra was all but asleep below 4000 rpm, and was large-scale annoying to drive in traffic. I may not win many races, but I get home (mostly) sane. This may be what sets the big QR apart from the VTEC crowd.

As for the door count - I too like two doors very much, but let's face it - if you were Nissan, and you looked back at the track record of Sentra-platform based two door sales (Sentra coupe, Pulsar NX/NX, 200SX)- would you spend development dollars on another one for the N.A. market? Not likely. Should they? Probably. There is a closely related two door hatch Almera in Europe as far as I know.

I saw the new SE-R at the Toronto Auto Show, and it's the first Sentra that I've ever really thought seriously that I'd love to own. It looks pissed off just sitting there! Now if we could just lose the FWD and yellow gauge faces...

[This message has been edited by Lumpy (edited 02-27-2001).]

'87 Sentra

02-27-2001, 08:40 PM

As far as pricing is concerned, I do have a "good" story to tell, and that is that the Nissan dealers do have sheets with the prices of all the cars, which incidentally happen to be the same prices that you will see in the Nissan/Nissan Canada websites. They are also quick to mention that they do not do any haggling with the price, which I like since I know that I can go to the dealer with a price in mind, and get that price.
This however does not mean that they will not try to get some more of our hard earned dollars, since as you are all aware, getting a Sentra SE with Sport package is not an easy matter, that is "unless you are willing to pay more to get it sooner", as one clever sales person kindly revealed to me.
I suspect that the same will be the case with the SE-R, and specially the "V". The price will be the same as the price suggested by Nissan, but thankfully there will be plenty of dealers willing to go the extra mile for us the customers as long as we are willing to shell out some more green...

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02-28-2001, 11:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by da91stanza:
According to current unoffical (my bet is this will be offical soon enough) information, the 2.5L I4 QR series engine that powers the SE-R is going to be the base engine of the new 2002 Altima. So your comment that it doesn't fit into another Nissan is not a valid one.

[This message has been edited by da91stanza (edited 02-27-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the same could be said about the previous Altima/240sx. We didn't see much from the aftermarket even though the KA was also in the pick ups and pathfinders, and I doubt the new generation Nissans will attract much attentions from the tuners until the sales figures back them up. If the 2.5 QR will be in other cars, great, but it does not mean aftermarket support. The Altima will have to pull its weight or else the QR won't get a second look.

As long as the new SE-R gets good reviews and priced properly, we should see a positive response from the market. But you know Nissan's luck, I just hope its worth the wait.

Zed

03-01-2001, 06:03 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Lumpy:
A large number of of the comments on the new SE-R seem to focus on two main themes - HP numbers and door count.....

...It looks pissed off just sitting there! Now if we could just lose the FWD and yellow gauge faces...

[This message has been edited by Lumpy (edited 02-27-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The production SE-R and specV will not have yellow gauges. The SE-R will have titanium faces and the spec V will have titanium faces with red glowing markings. I got this from the new Sport Compact Mag. Good mag, pick-up a copy, lots of info.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-01-2001, 01:38 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by bigbuyer2477:
Well, the same could be said about the previous Altima/240sx. We didn't see much from the aftermarket even though the KA was also in the pick ups and pathfinders, and I doubt the new generation Nissans will attract much attentions from the tuners until the sales figures back them up. If the 2.5 QR will be in other cars, great, but it does not mean aftermarket support. The Altima will have to pull its weight or else the QR won't get a second look.

As long as the new SE-R gets good reviews and priced properly, we should see a positive response from the market. But you know Nissan's luck, I just hope its worth the wait.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh ok so thats what you meant then... you make very valid points then. Hopefully, with both the SE-R and new Altima, which are both "sporty" sedans, getting this engine it will be enough to get the aftermarket guys movin. Also, I don't know how true it is, but I've heard rumors that the QR will eventually find it's way into the truck lineup as well and totally replace the KA engine in Nissan's lineup.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-01-2001, 03:38 PM

Thanks for the correction, Zed. The SE-R at the Auto Show had the yellow gauges, so I figured that they were a production piece.

Lumpy

PS: SCC is a great mag - I just haven't had the chance to get this month's issue!

**DONOTDELETE**

03-01-2001, 05:08 PM

Actually I think the yellow face gauges didn't look too bad at all with the interior they showed off.

SHIFT_6speeds

03-01-2001, 05:44 PM

yellow guages = ugly and nasty

I was so happy t hear that these do not make production. But I have a question. What is up with the red dash illumination? All this was tried in the 80's (I.E. Pontiac to this day) and all has been agreed by auto critics alike (including myself) that it is not as clearly legible as the soft white illumination Nissan has been utilizing for the past 10 or so years.

Ever Driven a Max (to mention only one example) at night?....Beautiful, clear, white illumination. If it works and is not broken, why change it? Red? Why oh why?

Remember the horrible orange illumination of Nissan's in the 80's?

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**DONOTDELETE**

03-01-2001, 07:56 PM

Before we change the gauge face plates, please do something about the stick shift!!! It looks like a particular male anatomy!!! I will cut that thing in half as soon as I get home with it.

Actually, I like the yellow face gauges, or a color matching face gauge with the color of the car. Look at the VW's with the blue and red color setup, it's killer! While all the Honda boys are switching to them glow in the dark gauges, why not give them something different to desire after?

But the titanium color gauges are fine, I still like the white gauge faces of the previous model years better.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-02-2001, 02:00 PM

Actually, red is the best color on the eyes. This is why BMW uses this color in their new auto's. FYI...

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
yellow guages = ugly and nasty

I was so happy t hear that these do not make production. But I have a question. What is up with the red dash illumination? All this was tried in the 80's (I.E. Pontiac to this day) and all has been agreed by auto critics alike (including myself) that it is not as clearly legible as the soft white illumination Nissan has been utilizing for the past 10 or so years.

Ever Driven a Max (to mention only one example) at night?....Beautiful, clear, white illumination. If it works and is not broken, why change it? Red? Why oh why?

Remember the horrible orange illumination of Nissan's in the 80's?

[This message has been edited by SentraSE-Rman (edited 03-01-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lebigdre

03-02-2001, 06:06 PM

Yesterday in a meeting Nissan reps told us not to expect the SE-R until christmas. That's for the canadian part I don't know for the US.

SHIFT_6speeds

03-02-2001, 07:05 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by jeguzik:
Actually, red is the best color on the eyes. This is why BMW uses this color in their new auto's. FYI...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I beg to differ...even the aviation industry has strayed away from red illmination after years of study. It is not as legible as originaly thought and softer whiter illuminations win when tested. Alot of the newer air crafts are no longer using red, and that is where legibility is at it's upmost importance. Even most auto critics state that red needs to dissapear from automobiles. I have driven red illuminated vehicles, and I also dislike it compared to the softer whites.

Just because BMW does something does not mean it is best...

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thearabian

03-03-2001, 05:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
I beg to differ...even the aviation industry has strayed away from red illmination after years of study. It is not as legible as originaly thought and softer whiter illuminations win when tested. Alot of the newer air crafts are no longer using red, and that is where legibility is at it's upmost importance. Even most auto critics state that red needs to dissapear from automobiles. I have driven red illuminated vehicles, and I also dislike it compared to the softer whites.

Just because BMW does something does not mean it is best...

[This message has been edited by SentraSE-Rman (edited 03-02-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

tidbit: humans respond best to light-orange illumination

i don't know if you have noticed in your city, but in mine, about 10 years ago, they started replacing all the streetlights (that were white) to yellowish orange.

has there been any car with that kind of lighting?

**DONOTDELETE**

03-06-2001, 05:49 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Frankie Flowers:
I just thought of some important stuf to make this car the Sh!T. #1-- The seats need to be some kick As# racing seats. I want bolsters that are huge!!! #2--- The gauges better be very easy to read and very cool looking. The V-spec pics give an idea but I dont know how easy it will be to read them. #3 --It needs a center consol armrest like the Impreza's..I like to store stuff... #4---I hear the rims in the pictures wont be the same as the actual car!! They have to be good!!!! #5 I dont see why they dont put the SE-R logo on the steering wheel like the skyline gtr!!! That would be nice.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also from the April SCC:

"The aggressive, body-hugging seats from the
Skyline GT-R are being directly transplanted into the SE-R." http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif

Does anyone else besides me think that this is pretty ridiculous?

2HD

03-06-2001, 07:23 AM

Nope it's excellent. The more of those seats they get the cheaper they become which brings the price down on the cars.

Deadpool

03-06-2001, 11:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by jeguzik:
Actually, red is the best color on the eyes. This is why BMW uses this color in their new auto's. FYI...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I always thought it was blue or light blue to be the best color on the a human eye. I dont see how red can be. Its rather strong to be pleasant. But i agree with whoever said that Nissan needs to stick with white soft illumination. But i love the blue illumination in VW. They look so cool. Just my opinion.

SHIFT_6speeds

03-06-2001, 11:58 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
tidbit: humans respond best to light-orange illumination

i don't know if you have noticed in your city, but in mine, about 10 years ago, they started replacing all the streetlights (that were white) to yellowish orange.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So how do we know this? So, all the research and developement through the years within the aviation field, they are wrong and you are right? At one time that was thought to be true, until recently... the soft whites/pale blues are most legible.

The street lamps where changed just to reduce glare. You do not "read" a street lamp when driving.

thearabian

03-06-2001, 03:22 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
So how do we know this? So, all the research and developement through the years within the aviation field, they are wrong and you are right? At one time that was thought to be true, until recently... the soft whites/pale blues are most legible.

The street lamps where changed just to reduce glare. You do not "read" a street lamp when driving. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

eh...

perhaps illumination and illuminated writing are two completely different things http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

03-06-2001, 09:24 PM

How the hell is that ridiculous???? I also find that to be most excellent.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-06-2001, 09:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Frankie Flowers:
How the hell is that ridiculous???? I also find that to be most excellent. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I meant that as ridiculous in a most excellent way. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

03-07-2001, 01:23 AM

As long as the interior of the car is tastefull and well appointed with something that make difference compared to the blandness of most cars on the road today, I don't care the color of the dash lighting...

BTW, I don't like the agressives colors of VW dash or the red illumination of the Pontiac... The gauges need to be illuminated to help you seeing easily but it is not supposed to "draw" your attention like the ones in VW does. When driving on dark roads, too much light from the gauges is tiring.

Nismo

03-07-2001, 06:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
The aviation industry has strayed away from red illmination after years of study. It is not as legible as originaly thought and softer whiter illuminations win when tested.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The reason red illumination is used in airplane cockpits has nothing to do with legibility. It is used because it has the least effect on a person's night vision. Most aircraft have, and have had for as long as I can remember, two types of lighting selectable by the crew: white lighting and red lighting. The red lighting is normally used in flight where night vision is critical. The white lighting is usually switched on at other times, where a loss of night vision is not so critical (like when the pilot's busy reading a book midway through a flight with the autopilot engaged).

Nismo

03-07-2001, 06:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
Humans respond best to light-orange illumination. I don't know if you have noticed in your city, but in mine, about 10 years ago, they started replacing all the streetlights (that were white) to yellowish orange. Has there been any car with that kind of lighting?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The reason for the yellowish-orange glow is because the replacement lamps are the mercury vapor type, which produce that orangish glow. The reason you see so many mercury vapor lamps used for street lights is because they are so cheap; it has nothing to do with visibility. Sodium vapor lamps produce much more usable light, but they cost a lot more to purchase so they're not as popular in many areas.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-07-2001, 06:50 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by me:
I just want some concrete tests of this car so i can make a decision about what im gonna buy. If they wait until september, then they will probably lose my business to the new altima or the wrx.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you (me) and me are in the same boat. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif i have my sights on the same 3 cars. i wish they'd hurry up...

**DONOTDELETE**

03-07-2001, 09:30 PM

I just want some concrete tests of this car so i can make a decision about what im gonna buy. If they wait until september, then they will probably lose my business to the new altima or the wrx. From what i hear they are trying to push the date to around late summer, but i have also heard i will not be available until december so theat they can get rid of there se inventory. Just give me the dame car http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

03-08-2001, 09:02 PM

Somebody told me that the SE-R Spec V audio system has been upgraded and will have an option of a 400 watt Rockford Fosgate system...has nebody else heard this...is this true?

Chris93SER

03-08-2001, 09:17 PM

Yes, that is true. The information is located at: http://www.nissandriven.com -> New Thinking Ahead -> Experience Sentra SE-R -> Sentra SE-R -> Performance

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by nissanboi:
Somebody told me that the SE-R Spec V audio system has been upgraded and will have an option of a 400 watt Rockford Fosgate system...has nebody else heard this...is this true?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[This message has been edited by Chris93SER (edited 03-09-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Chris93SER (edited 03-09-2001).]

Zed

03-10-2001, 08:37 AM

The new Sentra with a navagation system
http://www.carros.nl/persb/foto/almeraint1.jpg

**DONOTDELETE**

03-10-2001, 08:44 AM

Where did you find that photo?

**DONOTDELETE**

03-10-2001, 02:54 PM

We don't need a Navagation system! We're guys, we KNOW where we're going!! lol http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/rolleyes.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

BEN

Chris93SER

03-10-2001, 05:54 PM

Zed, what is that the Canadian version of the SE-R? The reason I ask that is because the speedometer seems to be in kilometers, cause I doubt they'd put up to 220 MPH on a speedometer in the USA....lol. Also, did you notice that the redline seems to be 6900 or 7000? Interesting considering SCC stated that it was currently 6100, with hopes of 6500 at production.

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'97 S14 SE Turbo

03-10-2001, 11:10 PM

That's the Taiwan version Sentra... Basically a mini I30. Loaded with tons of luxuary features...

Chris93SER

03-11-2001, 07:49 AM

Oh, I gotcha. Thanks.

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Chris93SER

03-11-2001, 07:53 AM

Here's my next question. If it's a Taiwan version, how come the steering wheel is on the left side?

'87 Sentra

03-11-2001, 09:41 PM

That is the version of the Sentra that we sould be getting here in NA. I think that that styling would kill everything else on that particular price range, since everyone agrees that the styling of the I30 is nice.

I sure like the dash though.

Infiniti

03-12-2001, 10:02 AM

its not the sentra guys. Its the Almera. If you click properties on the picture, lookat the URL. It says Almera. Its from Europe of course.

Chris93SER

03-12-2001, 11:45 AM

Good call, Infiniti. It is indeed a picture of the European Almera.

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Infiniti:
its not the sentra guys. Its the Almera. If you click properties on the picture, lookat the URL. It says Almera. Its from Europe of course.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

'87 Sentra

03-12-2001, 05:03 PM

So it is the Almera (good call), I still think that the Sentra should have a look similar to that in the inside, and a look like the Sentra in Taiwan on the outside. That would make it much more apealing for the masses.

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'97 S14 SE Turbo

03-12-2001, 05:21 PM

Because Taiwan drives on the same side as the US...

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Chris93SER:
Here's my next question. If it's a Taiwan version, how come the steering wheel is on the left side?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chris93SER

03-12-2001, 09:14 PM

Oh, do they really? I wasn't aware of that. Leaving that aside, that isn't the Taiwan version of the Sentra anyway. It's the Eurpoean Almera. Look at the URL where the picture is located.

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by '97 S14 SE Turbo:
Because Taiwan drives on the same side as the US...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**DONOTDELETE**

03-14-2001, 08:01 PM

Looks like Zed's lil pic. got everybody's hopes up...o well, i think the se-r's interior is gonna be similar to this and still really nice

The only thing i dont like on the se-r is the ugly ass rear exterior...i wish they would do somthing about that, but i know they won't...does nebody agree with me that the exterior rear of the car is the real downfall as far as looks are concerned?

**DONOTDELETE**

03-14-2001, 08:08 PM

does nebody know if nissan is going to have that yellow exterior color as an option when it his production? Also, i know that those are not the rims (the ones in all the pics) that they are going to use in production, does nebody know wut the rims they are gonna use look like??

**DONOTDELETE**

03-15-2001, 04:32 AM

nissanboi, i'd say the rear end is most definitely the worse thing about the car. even edmunds.com, on their review of the sentra, said "the dumpy-looking butt on the Sentra has simply got to go". what a shame... is there really no chance at all that they'll change it by this fall?? anybody know if any more info (pricing, availability date) about this car will be released at the ny auto show on 4/11 (when they release info about the next altima)?

Zed

03-15-2001, 05:00 AM

Sorry guys! Thought it was a scoop for us! I believe the almera interior is the same as the sentra minus the nav, our sentra int was designed in europe. The cubby on the top is the same:
Sentra:
http://www.nissandriven.com/sentra/images/photos/photo_big_10.jpg
Almera:
http://www.carros.nl/persb/foto/almeraint1.jpg

http://www.automotriz.net/images/galeria/images/Nissan-Almera-02.jpg
Very sweet!
http://www.automotriz.net/images/galeria/images/Nissan-Almera-01.jpg

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**DONOTDELETE**

03-15-2001, 09:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by nissanboi:
does nebody know if nissan is going to have that yellow exterior color as an option when it his production? Also, i know that those are not the rims (the ones in all the pics) that they are going to use in production, does nebody know wut the rims they are gonna use look like?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, how do you know the rims' not going to make into production??

Zed

03-16-2001, 02:53 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SayNoG:
Hey, how do you know the rims' not going to make into production??

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nissan had reported that these 'autoshow' SE-R's were pre-production models. Tooling is still being done for rear spoiler, the yellow interior gauges were for show appeal, and those spec-v 5spoke rims with tha bolts on the outer section were not the final design, unfortunatly.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-16-2001, 12:46 PM

Too bad they won't make this hatchback for the U.S. It looks like a Golf but way more modern. The additional trunk space would be beneficial too( I think the Golf has 42 cubic feet), unfortunately North American consumers
feel they have to have an SUV to have storage. Hmmm.... a Golf with the 1.8 turbo is starting to looking interesting

**DONOTDELETE**

03-16-2001, 03:54 PM

The rims that they're using in all the pics of the SE-R are Enkei wheels (FUBUKI is the name of the wheel). And if you ever notice, aftermarket wheels are always put on pre-production to make the car look better and look more intresting. The regular wheels will be desinged by by Nissan and I'm sure they'll look every bit as good, if not better than the aftermarket wheels. They will be aggressive and complete the car.

BEN

'87 Sentra

03-16-2001, 11:36 PM

I think it would be kinda cool if Nissan sold that Almera here in NA, now that the Civic is not selling it horrible hatch back.
This one would give the Golf a run for its money because it looks solid like steel.

SHIFT_6speeds

03-17-2001, 04:45 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by gsolman:
Too bad they won't make this hatchback for the U.S. It looks like a Golf but way more modern. The additional trunk space would be beneficial too( I think the Golf has 42 cubic feet), unfortunately North American consumers
feel they have to have an SUV to have storage. Hmmm.... a Golf with the 1.8 turbo is starting to looking interesting<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, I love fast back design cars, always have. And this one looks great and original in design. Let us have it...please...

Imagine a GTR version of this with a 6-speed manual and AWD! And this car has one very important thing over the Golf/GTI...Qulaity/reliability! Plus, it is a Nissan. Oh, that is three things...

I can imagine this in my driveway now next to my Classic SE-R.... in matching colors...ENJOY THE DRIVE

**DONOTDELETE**

03-17-2001, 11:32 AM

I was really hoping those were the production rims. Oh well, I guess nothing's perfect (not to mention the ugly rear of the car). Also, does anyone know if Nissan had released the production date of the car yet ?? (they only said sometime in the fall....but when is fall?? august??) I couldn't seem to find it anywhere. And what about the production colors?? You guys think the yellow will make into production??

I am getting more excited about the car.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-18-2001, 10:01 AM

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03-18-2001, 11:32 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by dpelchat:

The 3 production colors will be yellow, blue and black.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you know this? Is it stated somewhere in some magazine or website that I have overlooked? Where did you get this info from? If it is true, then it would make sense to me to have only those 3 color choices for the Spec-V, being that it is the "special" model. But for the "standard" SE-R I would assume there to be more color choices then that. Just my 2 cents.

'87 Sentra

03-18-2001, 06:00 PM

I sure hope that those are not the only colours the'll use for the SE-R, because I sure want mine in metallic silver. Mind you though, black would also look pretty sweet... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

03-18-2001, 07:25 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SayNoG:
I was really hoping those were the production rims. Oh well, I guess nothing's perfect (not to mention the ugly rear of the car). Also, does anyone know if Nissan had released the production date of the car yet ?? (they only said sometime in the fall....but when is fall?? august??) I couldn't seem to find it anywhere. And what about the production colors?? You guys think the yellow will make into production??

I am getting more excited about the car.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A Fleet Sales Mmanager in Corona, CA emailed me and said that she spoke to her Nissan Factory Sales rep about the release date for the SE-R/Spec V. He informed her that the car(s) would be released in October. I'm not sure if that means they will be released in CA in October or nationwide, but at least we have a specific month of release from a (hopefully) reliable source.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-18-2001, 10:01 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by JT:
A Fleet Sales Mmanager in Corona, CA emailed me and said that she spoke to her Nissan Factory Sales rep about the release date for the SE-R/Spec V. He informed her that the car(s) would be released in October. I'm not sure if that means they will be released in CA in October or nationwide, but at least we have a specific month of release from a (hopefully) reliable source.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AWWWW.....I was hoping it would come out sooner...... I am so eager to see it come out.... But no worries, car show coming end of this month....so I'll catch a glimpse before it comes out. If possible, i'll take lots and lots and lots of pictures and put it on this site...

**DONOTDELETE**

03-19-2001, 01:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by da91stanza:
How do you know this? Is it stated somewhere in some magazine or website that I have overlooked? Where did you get this info from? If it is true, then it would make sense to me to have only those 3 color choices for the Spec-V, being that it is the "special" model. But for the "standard" SE-R I would assume there to be more color choices then that. Just my 2 cents.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You may be right for the regular. I know the colors because that's the choice that was offered to me when I ordered my Spec-V (which will be called "PLUS" here in Canada -that's ugly, I know.) Anyway, I should get the MSRP in April, and I'll post every detail then.

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03-19-2001, 02:35 PM

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03-19-2001, 03:00 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by SayNoG:
Ook, now I am very scared. So Spec-V in Canada is called the "PLUS"?? What?...SE-R Plus?? eeeewwww, that's just gross. Anyways, when did you ordered your "Plus", and did your dealer say when they'll have the first lot of "Plus"s in?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I ordered it at the Montreal Auto show, late January, but signed the "official" contract last week. No definitive date as of yet, although he assured me I'll have close to the first one in Canada (yeah, right).

**DONOTDELETE**

03-19-2001, 03:44 PM

God damnit, Se-R plus? Sounds like it should come with fries. Hell I want to order so SpecV badges already.

As a side note, I raced a TypeR, well kinda raced just gunned it at the light last friday, I must say, VTEC kicking in has to be one of the most aesthetically pleasing sounds on the road, when it kicks in, BWAAHHHHHHHH, man what a rush, of course it flew by me pretty quick.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-19-2001, 04:20 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by dpelchat:
I ordered it at the Montreal Auto show, late January, but signed the "official" contract last week. No definitive date as of yet, although he assured me I'll have close to the first one in Canada (yeah, right). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just curious, so you signed the contract without even knowing what the price on the car is??

**DONOTDELETE**

03-19-2001, 04:27 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by dpelchat:
You may be right for the regular. I know the colors because that's the choice that was offered to me when I ordered my Spec-V (which will be called "PLUS" here in Canada -that's ugly, I know.) Anyway, I should get the MSRP in April, and I'll post every detail then.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm maybe since your in Canada the color choices will be different then for us here in the States. So you could be right about having only 3 color choices but only in Canada maybe? Hopefully more info will be announced at the NY Auto Show.. When I go there I'm gonna find out as much as I can about the SE-R as well as the new 2002 Altima that will be shown there. Oh, one more thing, I hope you don't get ripped off now and charged a ridiculous amount because you signed a contract without even knowing the MSRP.

SHIFT_6speeds

03-19-2001, 05:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by essfor:
God damnit, Se-R plus? Sounds like it should come with fries. Hell I want to order so SpecV badges already.

As a side note, I raced a TypeR, well kinda raced just gunned it at the light last friday, I must say, VTEC kicking in has to be one of the most aesthetically pleasing sounds on the road, when it kicks in, BWAAHHHHHHHH, man what a rush, of course it flew by me pretty quick.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fries! LOL http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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**DONOTDELETE**

03-19-2001, 05:50 PM

Will the SpecV have variable valve timing?

**DONOTDELETE**

03-20-2001, 03:04 AM

Yes, I did buy the car without knowing its final price. I was going to the show with the intent of buying the WRX. The looks and the price of it were two major drawbacks. Then I saw that wonderful yellow thing... with 6 speeds ! For 8-10k less ? I would have liked awd for our 6 months of winter, but fwd with winter tires is good enough.

Although I'm pretty sure I will not get any rebates on the price of the car, my contract says the car will be sold at MSRP (which is standard practice nowadays for hot cars) and no more. Reduced interest rates will still apply (if there is any). After all, this is a Sentra.

'87 Sentra

03-20-2001, 10:04 PM

How is it possible that you can sign the papers for this vehicle when none of the dealers I have talked to can even say anything about this car?

I mean, If I can order one right now, I would becuase that would guarantee that I would get the car as quickly as possible and would not be left to wait until a second batch of SE-R is made.

... and finally, the name "PLUS" sounds very non sporty, so I am pretty sure that Nissan would change that by the time the car hits the dealers. Sounds like buying a lottery ticket with the PLUS (For all our American friends, I dunno if you have this over there but here in Canada the plus is like an extra chance to win money on the same ticket for an extra dollar http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif). ... yes I know, pretty self explanatory.

Chris93SER

03-21-2001, 08:06 AM

The QR25DE engine will have Continuous Variable Valve Timing Control (CVTC). Hey, did anyone pick up on the error in this month's Car and Driver? They stated that the base SE-R would have a 2.0 liter in it and that only the SE-R Spec V would have a 2.5 liter in it. They got the horsepower and torque figures right for both cars, but gave the base SE-R the wrong liter engine. As we all know, both cars will use the QR25DE engine.

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by essfor:
Will the SpecV have variable valve timing?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

**DONOTDELETE**

03-21-2001, 10:39 AM

Are there any papers on the net on the topic of CVTC? I heard Nissan only has valve timing on the intake valves on not on the exhaust valves.

I suppose that the term continuous indicates that it is like VVTI, I don't know if it supports lifting though.

Another note, I think the TypeR switch over to VTEC is a really pleasing sound, is CVTC as dramatic as this, can you hear a really loud purr? I guess this question assumes that there are already Nissans with CVTC.

Nismo

03-21-2001, 11:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by essfor:
I think the TypeR switch over to VTEC is a really pleasing sound, is CVTC as dramatic as this, can you hear a really loud purr?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>CVTC only affects valve timing. It's nice, but doesn't really extend the operating range of an engine the way variable lift valves can. What you end up with is an engine with the about the same operating range as before, only with slightly improved combustion (a.k.a.--fuel economoy). The power increase with variable timing is nowhere near as dramatic as the increase from a different cam profile. The sound, also, will be no different for an engine with variable timing as for one without it. This is not to say that it will sound bad, but you won't have any crossover points where the engine sound changes from muted to raucous.

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03-21-2001, 02:48 PM

Is there good feedback from the engine? I'm sorry Im just mesmorized by the sound of the type R, I know its a trivial thing but hey...Is the sound inside the Sentra's of the past quite deadened or do you have a good feel for what is going on under the hood?

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03-21-2001, 02:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by '87 Sentra:
How is it possible that you can sign the papers for this vehicle when none of the dealers I have talked to can even say anything about this car?

I mean, If I can order one right now, I would becuase that would guarantee that I would get the car as quickly as possible and would not be left to wait until a second batch of SE-R is made.

... and finally, the name "PLUS" sounds very non sporty, so I am pretty sure that Nissan would change that by the time the car hits the dealers. Sounds like buying a lottery ticket with the PLUS (For all our American friends, I dunno if you have this over there but here in Canada the plus is like an extra chance to win money on the same ticket for an extra dollar http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif). ... yes I know, pretty self explanatory.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

These guys (Cité Nissan) are one of the 5 largest dealers in Canada. They even have a deposit for the new Z ! Because of their status, the have cars before others (that's what the rep said anyway...)

As for ordering one... GO ! You can be sure they will go very fast, and dealers will ask for premiums (as they are doing with the WRX right now). Be sure you sign a contract at "MSRP"...

Zed

03-22-2001, 05:37 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Chris93SER:
The QR25DE engine will have Continuous Variable Valve Timing Control (CVTC). Hey, did anyone pick up on the error in this month's Car and Driver? They stated that the base SE-R would have a 2.0 liter in it and that only the SE-R Spec V would have a 2.5 liter in it. They got the horsepower and torque figures right for both cars, but gave the base SE-R the wrong liter engine. As we all know, both cars will use the QR25DE engine.

Originally posted by essfor:
Will the SpecV have variable valve timing?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, didnt even peek in it. I'll stick to road and track now. Making mistakes is somthing C/D is adapt to latly.

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03-22-2001, 06:27 AM

iVTEC Honda/ACURAs new generation VTEC, SOUNDS even more aggresive and more bad A** then past gen.VTEC. If you like the sounds in the TYPE R now you'll love what is coming form Honda/Acura in the next 6 months. There will be nothing like VTEC ...In July the new RSX will be here and let me say it has it like no other.

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03-22-2001, 12:52 PM

Yeah I'm also waiting on the RSX, I saw it at the Detroit show and it looks pretty slick.

I thought the VTECi was continuous and therefore didn't have a specific crossover point as did previous generations of VTEC.

Nizmo

03-23-2001, 10:17 AM

Hey Guys!

I'm new here to this very informative and awsome forum! It's great site like this that hopefully will help infuence Nissan to bring us the much desire Silvia and Skyline to the states. First of all, I need yer help, guys. There's something I would like to know if it ever going to happen. Are they going to plop that 2.5L I4 180hp from the SE-R V-spec into the Infiniti G20, as well? If not, any plans or update? To me, it doesn't make sense to make a nissan more powerful than the Infiniti line. Seems like bad strategy to me if they don't. Does anybody knows? Any peeps with the nissan source? Any info would be great and appreciated. Thanks!

Zed

03-24-2001, 05:42 AM

There is a new "G20", which is the new "Primera" that is in Japan. Nissan has no plans to bring that car here.

Seeing as that Infiniti already introduced a 2002 G20 here(which doesn't seem to have anything really done to it, other than knock-off BMW rims), which includes it's old 145hp motor, it is doubtful our G20 in its current form will see a new engine. I doubt Nissan wants to go through any major expense tooling any major upgrade. If they were going to do that, it would have been for 2002.

Infiniti is supposidly going all RWD ,which is another indicator that our G20 is probably going to see the grave rather than any meaningful upgrade.

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03-24-2001, 06:48 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by essfor:

I thought the VTECi was continuous and therefore didn't have a specific crossover point as did previous generations of VTEC.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A discussion about this actually took place on the National SE-R mailing list. VTEC uses two different cam profiles - one low lift/low duration cam, and a high lift/long duration cam. The fact that two different cam profiles are used is where the variable timing comes into play - the second cam lobe can have a fixed amount timing retard/advance. So technically, it does have variable-valve timing, because the two lobes have different amounts of timing retard and advance fixed into the cam design.

VTEC-i (or whatever it's called) will allow the entire cam to be dynamically advanced or retarded - the timing doesn't change only at the crossover point. So yes, there still is a crossover point with VTEC-i, but the timing can be advanced/retarded anywhere in the rev. range, similar to VVT-i.

By the way, the QR25DE also has variable valve timing on the intake cam (but only one cam profile - hence no variable- valve lift)... I'm sure that with tuning somehow, hehe. Also, it should eliminate the need for an external EGR system.

I just thought I'd share that, because it's something I didn't understand for a while, and I'm tired of people comparing VTEC to VANOS (or other "true" variable-valve timing systems), when they're actually two very different animals...

Infiniti

03-24-2001, 10:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Zed:
There is a new "G20", which is the new "Primera" that is in Japan. Nissan has no plans to bring that car here.

Seeing as that Infiniti already introduced a 2002 G20 here(which doesn't seem to have anything really done to it, other than knock-off BMW rims), which includes it's old 145hp motor, it is doubtful our G20 in its current form will see a new engine. I doubt Nissan wants to go through any major expense tooling any major upgrade. If they were going to do that, it would have been for 2002.

Infiniti is supposidly going all RWD ,which is another indicator that our G20 is probably going to see the grave rather than any meaningful upgrade.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which indicates the G20 becoming the XVL next year.

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03-31-2001, 06:48 PM

OK, all I want to know is if there is going to be or already is a waiting list for these babies. If so, how do I reserve one for myself? thanx

Sid

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04-01-2001, 04:26 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by sKwiD:
OK, all I want to know is if there is going to be or already is a waiting list for these babies. If so, how do I reserve one for myself? thanx

Sid<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Won't your Nissan dealer take your order ?

**DONOTDELETE**

04-03-2001, 12:41 AM

Dpelchat!!! Are you not supposed to do a WRX test drive, lately? Any comments??? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/rolleyes.gif

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04-03-2001, 08:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RatonLaveur:
Dpelchat!!! Are you not supposed to do a WRX test drive, lately? Any comments??? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It will take place April 29... Can't wait. Maybe this will change my mind ?? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

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04-04-2001, 01:54 AM

You must still give the Sentra Se-R Spec V a test drive before making your choice.
8 to 10 grands more for the WRX...Mmmmmmm?
For myself I am not willing to spend that much money on my next car... 30K$ still the maximum I want to pay and, in the next year, I have to choose between some interesting cars in that price range: the new Toyota Matrix, the next Integra (whatever his new name), the Se-R Spec V (my favorite yet) and the new Altima V-6... Perhaps even the current Maxima Se, if they discount it enough next year???

'87 Sentra

04-04-2001, 06:57 PM

I'm with you on that one, since I think that paying $5k more for a Maxima, gives me a better deal than a Spec V.
I like Maximas so I am not sure at this time about what to get since the selection is getting too good to make up my mind right now. I must say however, that the Sentra is a great deal, but the Maxima is so much more car for the money that it is hard to decide.

**DONOTDELETE**

04-05-2001, 03:22 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>sKwiD:
OK, all I want to know is if there is going to be or already is a waiting list for these babies. If so, how do I reserve one for myself?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Courtesy Nissan in Richardson has been taking deposits on '02 SE-Rs. What I read on the SE-R List is that sales rep Samir Gupta is the one to call. They've been friendly to the SR20 group for quite a long time, so that would be my choice out of all the dealers in DFW.

**DONOTDELETE**

04-05-2001, 10:42 AM

Nobody around here is taking deposits at all. Im gonna be down in DFW area in the next month. Wonder if it would be wise to put my money down now and drive the dang thing home in 6 months when it shows up. It would be a fun drive home anyway.

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04-05-2001, 11:16 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by RatonLaveur:
You must still give the Sentra Se-R Spec V a test drive before making your choice.
8 to 10 grands more for the WRX...Mmmmmmm?
For myself I am not willing to spend that much money on my next car... 30K$ still the maximum I want to pay and, in the next year, I have to choose between some interesting cars in that price range: the new Toyota Matrix, the next Integra (whatever his new name), the Se-R Spec V (my favorite yet) and the new Altima V-6... Perhaps even the current Maxima Se, if they discount it enough next year???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Definitely... The Toyota Matrix looks also pretty cool. 6-speed, 180 horses, and the flexibility of a hatch...
I'm still disappointed on the WRX (looks, pricing). I also saw on TV (Guide de l'auto, since you are from Montreal) that the car was poorly finished, although very solid body. But for $35,000 ?? Not for me !

Fast240Sx

04-12-2001, 08:22 PM

ID buy one but im gunna go TOYOTA guys, no im not selling my NIssan what are you crazy i need some sort of reliable transportation. Im gunna buy a 97 Toyota Supra TT. But OMG i like that SER-V
Fast240Sx

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04-21-2001, 04:50 PM

damn this car looks hot! can't wait to jump in the vspec!

Nizzan

04-24-2001, 04:47 PM

I think that they need to give it a butt lift.

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04-27-2001, 12:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Nizzan:
I think that they need to give it a butt lift.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No way its perfect as is!

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05-07-2001, 03:53 PM

I think the Spec V is the best rice rocket you could buy. For 180hp and 180 torque at $20,000 is better than what Honda is offering on their new SI at 160 hp and 140? torque @ low 20's and Toyota with their cheap ass looking celica @ mid-20's. With the Spec V you get LSD, 400 watt sound system WITH sub!, 17 inches, pretty much custom interior WITH badges. I dont see all that on an integra, si, prelude, or celica, do you? i will even go so far as to compare it to the quality of the WRX. I, who have actually been in the car and test driven one, know that the interior features of the regular sentra are much better than the WRX because you have more arm room, leg room, and storage, (except on wagon WRX there is more trunk space)in the sentra. Althought the WRX has much more power the aftermarket support and its price are worse than nissan. As for people complaining about the back end of the car... Put a new bumper on if you dont like it!
But i say all of this without knowing the major factors such as exact 0-60 time, 0-60 braking, gear ratios, or its weight. The car must be able to whoop a new si, prelude, integra gs-r (possibly be really close to the type-r), and a celica for my decsion to really be final. Even if a few of these cars kick itz ass STOCK, i will probably still buy it based on the fact itz under 20 g's, has the 400 watt sound system standard, and because i want to be original and not buy the typical civic or toyota.

Ok... Im ready for it... bring it!

**DONOTDELETE**

07-15-2001, 08:36 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Originally posted by Zed:
Nissan had reported that these 'autoshow' SE-R's were pre-production models. Tooling is still being done for rear spoiler, the yellow interior gauges were for show appeal, and those spec-v 5spoke rims with tha bolts on the outer section were not the final design, unfortunatly.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

actually......those were pre-production rims but nissan created rims that look almost identical to those......minus the bolts on the outer part of the rims. And as of colors...nissan released more than the yellow black and blue.....they also have red and silver and more.....so no need to worry....this information can all be seen at www.nissannews.com (http://www.nissannews.com)