Info brochure!

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Hi guys!
I got the info brochure in the mail on saturday, it looks good and I sent away for the latest info available from the brochure. I'll hear something back in a couple of weeks. I am going to actually sit in the real deal in 3 weeks. I'll let you guys know the verdict when I do. Ask me what you want to know about the car before I go sit in one and take photos. The more you want to know about it, the more I can post for everyone, so please if you have any questions I'll get the answers for us.

SuperD...

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This offer of yours is tremendous. A big thanks in advance. I hope you realize you may have a list a thousand items long. What I would like to know is if the 3.5SE is going to be offered with a viscous limited slip differential and if the suspension is going to be tuned anywhere close to the performance of the Maxima SE.

[hiwayman17]

I got this silver package from Nissan--thought it was a CD, but it was just a booklet. I think Nissan is presenting the Altima all wrong. The pics in the booklet are black and white. The pics of the interior come off looking cold and hard and very unappealing.

But I'm also extremely curious about something. There was a slip of paper inside that was personally addressed to me. At the top of the slip of paper are the words "The Totally New V6 Altima. From Nissan."

Why do they get specific and call it the V6 Altima??

[Hudson]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hiwayman17:
..But I'm also extremely curious about something. There was a slip of paper inside that was personally addressed to me. At the top of the slip of paper are the words "The Totally New V6 Altima. From Nissan."

Why do they get specific and call it the V6 Altima?? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because the Altima has, until now, been exclusively four-cylindered. Having a V6 moves it up in stature in the eye of the public.

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Say...do any of you know how "viscous" is supposed to be pronounced? Is it "vis-kus", like the track and field throwing object discus or "vish-us", like being a mean spirited person

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The correct pronunciation is vis-cuss coupling differential. Either way I think you and I want the locking diff in the V-6 for traction reasons, I for one will NOT leave mine stock, you can bet on that. Let you know more info as I recieve it, can't wait for Nissan to update me via regular mail on the latest and greatest. Talk to you soon.

SuperDman

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SuperDman,
Take pictures of the WHOLE CAR!!! I want to see the car from it's side, to see the lines. I want interior pictures, engine pics, exterior pics, door design pics, and for my friend Ajacat, trunk pictures, and also see if the trunk has a wide opening space. I want color combinations, pricing, pictures of each rim from each model, what the heck, I want to test drive the darn thing myself!!!!

BTW, do you work for Nissan, and please post these pictures, I am so tired of waiting on this car, I really wish I could buy it now, without a test drive, and what type of brochure did you get, can you scan it, or was it the little brochure that came in the silver package?
Reply soon
Max



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SuperD:
Thought of two more questions. Nissan has made a big deal about the low-Fatigue seats found in the Maxima, even to the 2002 being redesigned for even greater comfort but not a word about the Altima's seats. Also there are rumors the Altima has been tuned to use regular fuel. Is that true?

Thanks

[hiwayman17]

I took the booklet to work today and while no one had much to say, I looked at it alot more. To me, this is very strange introductory advertising for a new ______ car. Yes, that is a fill in the blank. I thought the Altima was competition for the Accord and Camry, but the booklet doesn't indicate that.

The full body shot only makes me question whether the non-moveable window section in the back doors is actually a window, or a blacked out area. Though I realize that graphic is intended to give the impression that light is eminating from inside the car, why is that little window section different? I know I am nit picking...

What family car buyer gets excited by headlights and taillights? Two entire booklet pages wasted on lights?? Why? Even I would never get excited over option xenon.

Then a rather harsh, cold and uninviting view of the dashboard. That photo makes the plastic look really hard--especially around the door handle on the driver's side door. The copy reads "More interior room than..."
Where the heck is the picture that indicates all this great interior room? Why aren't we treated to an inviting picture of some very appealing, comfortable and supportive seats?

Then another interior shot of the instruments.

Only the full length body shot is interesting. The rest of the booklet seems like a waste.

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Its just an introduction booklet they dont wanna give it all away yet just wait for a little while longer and they'll reviel more.

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Keep 'em coming guys! I too want to know if this is a viscous coupling available, The suspention is sport tuned like the MAX! I know it'll handle very well, and I'll inquire that as well for absolute data thanks "ohmitr"! To answer you highwayman, the new "V-6" is just that there has never been a v-6 available, but I also think it's kinda stupid. everyone please ask away.

Thank you once more,
SuperD...

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Dear Maxamillion! (And the guys)

I don't work for Nissan, I'm a customer service rep, anyhow, I got darn lucky if you will, by stumbling upon the local dealer's manager, who enlightened me on the information. It was he himself who tipped me off on the new Altima comming here locally at the home show. He is the one who is personally delivering the vehicles. (there is two of them) Somehow he took a likeing to me and is going to give me all the latests. I plan on taking approxamatly 30 pictures in every angle. I am going to check this car out from top to bottom front to back, sit in it measure the trunk with a tape measure, length, wheelbase, width etc... I promise none should be disappointed with the results. I'd like to thank you all for your support, encouragement, and responses. Once more thanks guys.

Sincerely,

SuperD...

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I should intorduce myself here a little. I don't own a Nissan yet and never have, (neither has "SuperDman" BTW), I am just an auto enthusiast that likes domestic AND forigen cars depending on the car. I have always respected the Maxima but not the Altima so much. I am interested in this NEW Altima and am considering waiting to purchace. See, I was going to buy a new 2 door GTP Pontiac next week (just cleared it all with my wife etc... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif ) and trade in my old Grand Prix, but this new car has peaked my interest. Anyone know for sure if the V6 will be available with a manual transmission for certain and is it 5 or six speeds?

[Hokie350Z]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike3800:
I should intorduce myself here a little. I don't own a Nissan yet and never have, (neither has "SuperDman" BTW), I am just an auto enthusiast that likes domestic AND forigen cars depending on the car. I have always respected the Maxima but not the Altima so much. I am interested in this NEW Altima and am considering waiting to purchace. See, I was going to buy a new 2 door GTP Pontiac next week (just cleared it all with my wife etc... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif ) and trade in my old Grand Prix, but this new car has peaked my interest. Anyone know for sure if the V6 will be available with a manual transmission for certain and is it 5 or six speeds?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 2002 Altima will definitely have 5spd manual available with the 240hp 3.5L V-6. Check this site out for more detailed info:
http://www.nissannews.com/nissan/product/vehicles/altima/index.html

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Thanks Hokie350Z... 350Z? 350Z?!!! You have a Z car with a chevy 350?! Damn. Must have problems merging with trafic huh? (kidding obviously)

-Mike

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In reguards to Mike3800, he does not even have a clue that I've OWNED a Nissan pickup in when I lived Cleveland Ohio, and because I wish to not speak to him anymore I would appreciate him not speaking on my behalf which is an insult. Thank you very much!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuperDman:
In reguards to Mike3800, he does not even have a clue that I've OWNED a Nissan pickup in when I lived Cleveland Ohio, and because I wish to not speak to him anymore I would appreciate him not speaking on my behalf which is an insult. Thank you very much!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Might want to work on your spelling. No one knows how long ago you lived in Ohio here but me. I know it was more than 7 years ago. Pardon me for speaking in your behalf, did not know that all of the sudden it was an insult to speak on your behalf, however I would be more than happy to grant you that request.

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New word on the block, I just read that the Altima does come with a limited slip viscous coupling differential, but only on the V-6 w/ a manual 5 speed. Can't get one on an automatic. I don't want to shift a 5-speed, but I'll bet it's very fast!
SuperDman

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SuperD:
You gotta try a 5-speed Nissan.
I've had a Maxima SE 5-speed since '91 and once you get used to the manual you will love the precision you will be able to control in your right hand. You will never go back to a slush box.

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SuperDman,
Can you find out if electronic stability control (ESP) will be available? I've not seen it listed as being available, but neither had I seen VLSD listed before either. One more minor question: will it have a rear window sunshade? Thanks for offering to answer questions/find info for us!

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I too received my info a while back. I have to say whoever is in charge of this info is an idiot. Obviously if we found the place on the website to order this info, we'd already seen everything in it! I can see it being useful sending it to potential clients who had not heard any news about the '02 model. But sending it to people who had seen the details on the web site was poor. Why even bother. You only got me pissed. There was nothing new in there. I'm tempted to go buy a Passat now. OK maybe I'll wait for the '02 Altimax before I go buy a Passat. Hopefully teh next stage of info they send out will have some more pics/info.

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Nissan just wanted to keep in touch with customers. That's all.

[Max Ima]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hiwayman17:
I took the booklet to work today and while no one had much to say, I looked at it alot more. To me, this is very strange introductory advertising for a new ______ car. Yes, that is a fill in the blank. I thought the Altima was competition for the Accord and Camry, but the booklet doesn't indicate that.

The full body shot only makes me question whether the non-moveable window section in the back doors is actually a window, or a blacked out area. Though I realize that graphic is intended to give the impression that light is eminating from inside the car, why is that little window section different? I know I am nit picking...

What family car buyer gets excited by headlights and taillights? Two entire booklet pages wasted on lights?? Why? Even I would never get excited over option xenon.

Then a rather harsh, cold and uninviting view of the dashboard. That photo makes the plastic look really hard--especially around the door handle on the driver's side door. The copy reads "More interior room than..."
Where the heck is the picture that indicates all this great interior room? Why aren't we treated to an inviting picture of some very appealing, comfortable and supportive seats?

Then another interior shot of the instruments.

Only the full length body shot is interesting. The rest of the booklet seems like a waste.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's July. The car launches in September. Give it time. I'm sure the whole story will be revealed. Sometimes you need a little foreplay.

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f-o-r-e-p-l-a-y???? Sorry I'm a man!

[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gromit45:
SuperDman,
Can you find out if electronic stability control (ESP) will be available? I've not seen it listed as being available, but neither had I seen VLSD listed before either. One more minor question: will it have a rear window sunshade? Thanks for offering to answer questions/find info for us!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I doubt that. Things like ESP and rear sunshade belong in Infiniti sedans and perhaps in the new Maxima to further move it away from Altima.

[Nizzan]

Even the Passat has a rear sunshade.

[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nizzan:
Even the Passat has a rear sunshade.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It costs more then Altima mind you. You'r comparing passat to Altima? Try Passat to Maxima

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SuperDman,
Need your advice. You mentioned tht you used to be in Cleveland. I am in Cleveland, ready to turn in my 3rd consecutive Maxima SE for a new V6 Altima. Over this time I've bounced around dealerships with no allegiance to any one in particular- way too much arrogance abound. Can u recommend any specific salesmen around Cleveland who (once the Altima is available) will make a decent offer? Guess I'm a little jaded that Nissan doesn't/hasn't done anything to show appreciation for loyalty, the least they could do is not rape me once we see Invoice/MSRP prices despite the demand for the car. Even better, can I buy direct from Nissan? If Carlos Ghosn is looking for one more way to cut costs...

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I finally got the silver package, you know the one that says "Instructions: Break out of the box." well I think it's pretty crappy what's up with it being monochromatic? And it doesn't say anything at all about the car. What a waste of tree....

P.S. I sent in the postcard let's hope they send specs and pricing..

-Blazin-Red-GTR

[whodadoofus]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blazin-Red-GTR:
I finally got the silver package, you know the one that says "Instructions: Break out of the box." well I think it's pretty crappy what's up with it being monochromatic? And it doesn't say anything at all about the car. What a waste of tree....

P.S. I sent in the postcard let's hope they send specs and pricing..

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that's kinda how I felt. I was so excited to be getting information on the new Altima. When I looked at it I was P'd-off.

I hope they get the brochure out quickly. I really want to see the "interior environments" so I can decide whether I want the car for sure (the only thing holding me back is the possibility that all the environments suck (look cheap)). If the environments all look cheap, I will probably get a Maxima. The sooner I know, the better since the '01 Max is pretty cheap right now.

[hiwayman17]

Several things...someone said "this is July, the car comes out in September..." Well, if I want to have the public drooling and waiting in line for the new car I'm going to be selling, I would get the information==the whole story==out as soon as possible.

As far as the Passat-Altima comparison goes, I think it's a fair one. Since both the Passat and next Altima will be both company's largest family sedan, the comparison is fair.

[Nizzan]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IRL:
It costs more then Altima mind you. You'r comparing passat to Altima? Try Passat to Maxima
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Ok then, Passat has a sunshade, Maxima doesn't. =)

['87 Sentra]

I don't care about a sun shade cuz I'm never sitting in the back of my Altima! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by '87 Sentra:
I don't care about a sun shade cuz I'm never sitting in the back of my Altima! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good point there. But I was really thinking in terms of keeping the interior a little cooler while it sits in the sun during the day. Anyway, it's a nice to have, but not a big deal.

As far as the comment that sunshade and ESP do not belong in this "class of car": the "other cars in our class don't got it, so we don't need to have it either" thinking is not good because such thinking would lead you to be satisfied with being on par with your competitors. You have to up the ante to get ahead and stay ahead to succeed. Hey, no cars in Altima's class has a 240hp V6 either, but having one will now put it ahead of the pack. But, you're probably right that if Nissan had ESP, it would show up in the Max before or at best at the same time it would show up in the Altima.

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[UHEARDME]

I'm in Florida and the first thing I do with a new car is get the windows tinted - who needs a sunshade for the rear. Protects the interior year round from UV too!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nizzan:
Ok then, Passat has a sunshade, Maxima doesn't. =)

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I35 does or I30 does. They cost about the same as Passat.

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This isn't very important, but I would like to know from you SuperDman, or anyone else that has seen the Altima in person, if the side mirrors are fold away mirrors, or permanently stuck out. Thanks-

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whodadoofus:
that's kinda how I felt. I was so excited to be getting information on the new Altima. When I looked at it I was P'd-off.
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I know what you mean. Nothing worse than looking forward to new info only to be rehashed the same old stuff.

Then again, if they told us more, what would they have left to say/show when the car comes out in Sept? It's kinda like a movie trailer. Give away too much and people won't be drooling enough.

I do know people in the marketing biz and they tell me that people like us are the exception to the rule. That we tend to know 90% more about an upcoming model than the average consumer. And that the Altima piece was probably sent to thousands of people besides us who have never seen the thing on a website or elsewhere. For them its really a first tease.

maybe the next wave of information will be more forthcoming...

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Hey guys,
It's been a while since I've been on the net, but this is the weekend I check out that Altima live and in person, one downfall though, I will NOT be able to get into the vehicle this weekend, however, I will be able to 2-3 weeks after that, so be patient. I am going to take many live photos and post them for all of us. I will gather ALL the info I can as possible. I'm having a fit that I can't get into the car because it will be on disply only. I'm still going to do the best I can, you all still will be very pleased with the pictures, don't forget to let me know what we need to find out, take care.
SuperD...

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Nissan have declared an embargo on all informations (performance, test drive reports, fuel consumption, etc) until july 27 for the new Altima (august 31 for the Sentra Se-R).

Some leaking have happend before and FreshAlloy have been forced to block the information; so, You won't find any more information on this site or any other site that can fear Nissan reaction before the release date defined by Nissan...

The information on the Net is now under control...

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RatonLaveur:
Nissan have declared an embargo on all informations (performance, test drive reports, fuel consumption, etc) until july 27 for the new Altima (august 31 for the Sentra Se-R).

Some leaking have happend before and FreshAlloy have been forced to block the information; so, You won't find any more information on this site or any other site that can fear Nissan reaction before the release date defined by Nissan...

The information on the Net is now under control...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But they are shooting themselves in the foot. I for one am taking back the deposit on the SE-R and going to Acura. I am fed up of waiting without knowing. The RSX type-S is a sure value and is here now.

Why didn't Nissan let filter some critical information beforehand is beyond me. At least it should have given us, the enthusiasts information so we could have started the spread by word of mouth. As with the Altima mailing, the secrecy would have been preserved for 90% of the population. And we would have waited.



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Danny and the boys!

The mirror question is a valid one, I can't stand non-break-away mirrors. I'll check it out for you. I hope that I'm impressed because I truely plan on buying one. If the car is too small or does'nt fit my needs I'll look elsewhere. I think Nissan builds a fine automobile, but I don't have the means nor the intention on spending 33-35 thousand for a loaded Maxima, I do however NEED a bigger car, that's the only rerason I'm getting rid of the one I've got other than it very dated and Gramps-mobile. I don't think there will be a price tag on the vehicle, but let's see what happens Saturday. A friend of mine is going with me to check it out and he will have the digital camera for internet photo posts, he's currently a member here on the forum with us. Be patient guys only a few more days till the real deal. Till then talk to you soon.

The "D" man!

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You could go for an RSX type S right now, it's a sure value, like you said. But you possibly end-up crying when the Nissan's will be out and you will see what you have missed and, even more, when you will see what you have paid for what you got. I'd rather put my money on a Altima V-6 than on an RSX, I think I'll get the best of both world (comfort and sport) but it's my only point of view

The RSX Type S will cost around 35K CDN$. IMO, this is an heavy price for this kind of performance, when compared to the Se-R Spec V. If you're willing to pay that much, why not take a look to the Mercedes C230 Coupe Kompressor that will retail at abour 33,500$ CDN???

For one, I'm not in a hurry... I can wait 'til next year to get my hands on a brand new 2003 V-6 Altima. At that time, Toyota and Honda will have released their new Camry and Accord, then there will be less burden around Nissan and the prices will probably be more negociables.

Did I said that I can wait??? One year!!! It will be very long!!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RatonLaveur:
You could go for an RSX type S right now, it's a sure value, like you said. But you possibly end-up crying when the Nissan's will be out and you will see what you have missed and, even more, when you will see what you have paid for what you got. I'd rather put my money on a Altima V-6 than on an RSX, I think I'll get the best of both world (comfort and sport) but it's my only point of view

The RSX Type S will cost around 35K CDN$. IMO, this is an heavy price for this kind of performance, when compared to the Se-R Spec V. If you're willing to pay that much, why not take a look to the Mercedes C230 Coupe Kompressor that will retail at abour 33,500$ CDN???

For one, I'm not in a hurry... I can wait 'til next year to get my hands on a brand new 2003 V-6 Altima. At that time, Toyota and Honda will have released their new Camry and Accord, then there will be less burden around Nissan and the prices will probably be more negociables.

Did I said that I can wait??? One year!!! It will be very long!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just to put the figures straight ... The RSX Type S retails for $31,900 (loaded, prep inc.) and can be had for less. The Merc starts at $35,000 prep inc. If you add the moonroof and the 17in. wheels, you're over $38,000.

Unfortunately, MB didn't quite catch the rate conversion from USD to CAD. How can two similarly priced (USD) can end up having such a price diff in CAD ?

I'm leasing all my cars, and I don't expect such a huge difference between the RSX and Spec-V. I also like the Alty, but I'd like a smaller car this time.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuperDman:
Danny and the boys!

The mirror question is a valid one, I can't stand non-break-away mirrors. I'll check it out for you. I hope that I'm impressed because I truely plan on buying one. If the car is too small or does'nt fit my needs I'll look elsewhere. I think Nissan builds a fine automobile, but I don't have the means nor the intention on spending 33-35 thousand for a loaded Maxima, I do however NEED a bigger car, that's the only rerason I'm getting rid of the one I've got other than it very dated and Gramps-mobile. I don't think there will be a price tag on the vehicle, but let's see what happens Saturday. A friend of mine is going with me to check it out and he will have the digital camera for internet photo posts, he's currently a member here on the forum with us. Be patient guys only a few more days till the real deal. Till then talk to you soon.

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But your car handles like no other. Out slalom's NSX's. (He's just being modest). Just like my car out accelerates modified 300Z Turbos (I have no shame).

I'll bring the cam and post some pics. We'll get some close-ups of the interior including trivial details.... if they un-lock the car.

I gotta have speed... that and what my wallet can handle are the bottom line. This new Altima still has my interest.

That would suck it that car has break-off mirrors instead of breakaway mirrors, but that would not stop me if I really wanted the car.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RatonLaveur:
You could go for an RSX type S right now, it's a sure value, like you said. But you possibly end-up crying when the Nissan's will be out and you will see what you have missed and, even more, when you will see what you have paid for what you got. I'd rather put my money on a Altima V-6 than on an RSX, I think I'll get the best of both world (comfort and sport) but it's my only point of view

The RSX Type S will cost around 35K CDN$. IMO, this is an heavy price for this kind of performance, when compared to the Se-R Spec V. If you're willing to pay that much, why not take a look to the Mercedes C230 Coupe Kompressor that will retail at abour 33,500$ CDN???

For one, I'm not in a hurry... I can wait 'til next year to get my hands on a brand new 2003 V-6 Altima. At that time, Toyota and Honda will have released their new Camry and Accord, then there will be less burden around Nissan and the prices will probably be more negociables.

Did I said that I can wait??? One year!!! It will be very long!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Since you mention the 2002 Mercedes C230 Kompressor coupe, I test-drove a 6-speed manual today. What a nice rush!!! Amazingly agile and stylish. The MSRP is $24,950, but after adding the only 2 options I wanted (Panorama roof = $995 and leather = $1,410) and the destination charge, dealer fees, taxes, etc., I ended up with $30,234. OUCH!!!

I did place my order though ($500) and the car should be in in about 3 months, at which time I can decide whether to get it or not (the deposit is fully reimbursable at any time).

Once again, WOOF!!!