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2HD
05-05-2000, 07:30 AM
Detroit trails in quality

Toyota ranks tops among automakers in J.D. Power's 2000 survey of car owners

By Mark Truby / The Detroit News

DETROIT -- The auto industry is building better cars and trucks across the board but domestic carmakers still lag behind Japanese competitors in quality, according J.D. Power and Associates.
Consumers reported 5 percent fewer problems with their new vehicles on average vs. 1999, according to J.D. Power's 2000 initial quality study. Despite these improvements, a gap in quality and reliability remains between domestic and Japanese brands.
Toyota and its Lexus luxury division were tops in eight of the 14 vehicle segments, including traditional Detroit strongholds such as full-size pickups and full-size sport-utility vehicles, the report showed. The Lexus LS 400 sedan was named top vehicle for the second straight year.

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Honda and its luxury Acura line took two segment-leading titles. Only one domestic vehicle, DaimlerChrysler AG's Plymouth Breeze midsize car, was named best in segment.
J.D. Power asked 47,000 owners of 2000 model vehicles whether they found any of about 135 possible defects during the first 90 days of ownership.
The report praised automakers for producing better vehicles, despite the strain of record demand. Notably, models redesigned for 2000 showed fewer problems than their predecessors, casting doubt on the old adage that buyers should steer clear of first-year models.
"Sixty percent of the models redesigned for the 2000 year performed better than the models they replaced, compared with only 29 percent in 1999," said George Owens, manager of product research at J.D. Power.
Detroit auto executives often contend these improvements have dramatically reduced the quality gap between foreign and domestic cars.
But the J.D. Power survey and other recent owner satisfation studies raise questions about just how much ground Detroit's automakers have gained. Domestic brands averaged 168 problems per 100 vehicles vs. 157 and 142 for European and Asian vehicles respectively.
"Domestics have made big strides compared to where they were in the '70s but they haven't made the strides the competition has," said David Champion, director of Consumer Reports magazine's automotive testing division.
U.S. automakers are quick to point out how feverishly they are working to improve quality. Ford Motor Co. recently start using six-sigma, a statistical quality improvement program championed by General Electric Chairman Jack Welch.
"We're competitive. I'm not embarrassed by any of our products," said Louise Goeser, Ford's vice-president for quality. "But we are not going to be happy until we are the best in class."
The Chrysler division of DaimlerChrysler also is aggressively attacking quality problems, said Cindy Hess, vice-president of quality for Chrysler Group. "We are never satisfied," Hess said. "We are attacking on all fronts."

A few questions about the article. First of all why wasn't any of Nissans cars mentioned by J.D. not even the refined QX4?
Second how did corrola get best compact when it's built side by side with the chevorlet
prizm? Third why did the toyota sienna get best minivan when it's as problematic as a caravan, let alone it's even smaller than the Quest.

I wonder how much toyota paid J.D. Power to get those top spots.

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**DONOTDELETE**
05-05-2000, 08:02 AM
well, at least Consumer Reports gave Nissan props by saying that the G20 was the most reliable car of 99 (some guy from CR said this on CNN a while back). http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/smile.gif

Nismo
05-05-2000, 08:50 AM
J.D. Power & Associates is a marketing firm. Their job is to find numbers that make car manufacturers look good (they admit this). They get paid to do these 'studies' by automakers, NOT by consumers (they admit this also). Their claim to being "independent" comes from the fact that they receive payment only after a study has been completed and not to initiate a study.

Nonetheless, the facts are clear: they're a marketing firm who gets paid by automakers to judge automakers.

You can usually take any 'study' from JDPower with a grain of salt.

noelsaw
05-06-2000, 11:45 AM
From our news section...
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JD Power and Associates are known for their "Quality" standard awards. However they had some QC problems of their own after releasing "2000 Initial Quality Study" and figuring out they had miscalculated some winners (and loosers). Here's the Los Angeles Times article (http://www.latimes.com/business/20000506/t000042688.html) regarding the JD Power mix up err..."reassessment" of their findings.

In the end (for what it's worth), Nissan fared well. The Pathfinder was the best Compact SUV Initial Quality award winner. The I30 was second after a tie between the Lexus ES300 and Acura 3.2TL. The Maxima again was second after another tie between Toyota siblings Avalon and Camry. And finally the QX4 was second after Lexus LX470 but beat out the Lexus RX300 which came in 3rd place. What has been a glaring omission this and last year was the absence of any mention of Nissan's manufacturing plants which have won other awards from various industry publication and organizations. Maybe next year?


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2HD
05-06-2000, 02:32 PM
I knew there had to be some kind of mistake http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum//images/icons/grin.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
05-06-2000, 09:38 PM
Here's something to amuse you guys.
I work at the NUMMI plant here at Fremont CA, (they make the Corrola, Prism, and Tacoma truck). On Friday 5/5/00, they shut the lines down early to hold a special meeting to congratulate all the team members for a job well done on receiving the Gold Plant Award from J.D. Power. Those people thought they were the SH#T! What's ironic is that a lot of people don't really give a damn about the cars and trucks that they are building. Oh well, this should take the wind out of their sails!

noelsaw
05-11-2000, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JFZ:
Here's something to amuse you guys.
I work at the NUMMI plant here at Fremont CA, (they make the Corrola, Prism, and Tacoma truck). On Friday 5/5/00, they shut the lines down early to hold a special meeting to congratulate all the team members for a job well done on receiving the Gold Plant Award from J.D. Power. Those people thought they were the SH#T! What's ironic is that a lot of people don't really give a damn about the cars and trucks that they are building. Oh well, this should take the wind out of their sails!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless someone read the full LA Times article this message might not make sense -

What happened was initially the NUMMI plant was first but JD Power screwed up the calculation and the Toyota Georgetown, KY was actually first. NUMII came in second in the end.