Mitsubishi Montero Limited Rollover According to Consumer Union

[Republic]

I'm sure you've heard, but if not:
Consumer Reports has rated the full-size 2001 Montero Limited 'not acceptable' after rolling over below highway speeds. Mitsubishi totally denies such a danger, of course.

CNN just interviewed Csaba Csere of Car & Driver on the issue, and he never saw such behavior despite performing a double lane change (didn't see the entire interview, I don't know if he meant the Montero Limited, but I assume he did).

Also, Csere also blasted a member of Congress who called Ford's replacement tires for the Explorer worse than the original tires used, and commented on how hard it is to get statistics in this field.

[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Republic:
I'm sure you've heard, but if not:
Consumer Reports has rated the full-size 2001 Montero Limited 'not acceptable' after rolling over below highway speeds. Mitsubishi totally denies such a danger, of course.

CNN just interviewed Csaba Csere of Car & Driver on the issue, and he never saw such behavior despite performing a double lane change (didn't see the entire interview, I don't know if he meant the Montero Limited, but I assume he did).

Also, Csere also blasted a member of Congress who called Ford's replacement tires for the Explorer worse than the original tires used, and commented on how hard it is to get statistics in this field.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea. C/D and csere did a comprehensive test on this tire situation with explorer and firestone. And I read the article and c/d crew were unable to roll the explorer despite of tire damage.

[Republic]

I think you're referring to a different test. There WAS a Firestone/Explorer test, but Csere was referring to a double lane change (that's a hell of a turn). Interesting test, I saw it on C/D TV.

I have to ask why people still buy these things. I know damn well that some big families need the space and power, but in cities, it's a potential death trap for drivers of compact cars.

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To the people who find such tipsy behavior from SUV's shocking, I would like to say one thing: DUH!!!! What do you expect from a vehicle that is essentially a truck?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ThereturnofHammerman:
To the people who find such tipsy behavior from SUV's shocking, I would like to say one thing: DUH!!!! What do you expect from a vehicle that is essentially a truck?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly...

A co-worker of mine was involved in an accident with their Isuzu Rodeo. It was passed by a Semi at a rate of just over 65 MPH. An air-pocket got under the vehicle and literally tossed it off the road, and flipped it over 3 times! All just from a Semi passing them. No "collision" of vehicles even took place.

Luckily they were not seriously injured. Whew!

Of course, if they were in a vehicle with lower center of gravity, this would never had happend.

Here is the funny part. These are TRUCK people that were in this Isuzu. They went and got another because they were so "safe" in it! I guess meaning they were not killed! It takes alot to teach people. Sometimes too much.

It is common sense that as the center of gravity rises, so does the rate of roll over.

I believe in drving what you want, but know your risks and drive accordingly.

The wreck these people were in is a very rare occurance. Does this make Isuzu liable? I think not.

I personally would never have a SUV as my main primary family hauler. I just love my family too much.






[This message has been edited by SentraSE-Rman (edited 06-20-2001).]

[Deadpool]

with such high center of gravity, so much mass to pull, SUVs shouldnt be driven like sports cars. As for mitsubishi, "wake up and.....drive your own vehicle before putting it out for consumers"

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
Exactly...

A co-worker of mine was involved in an accident with their Isuzu Rodeo. It was passed by a Semi at a rate of just over 65 MPH. An air-pocket got under the vehicle and literally tossed it off the road, and flipped it over 3 times! All just from a Semi passing them. No "collision" of vehicles even took place.

Luckily they were not seriously injured. Whew!

Of course, if they were in a vehicle with lower center of gravity, this would never had happend.

Here is the funny part. These are TRUCK people that were in this Isuzu. They went and got another because they were so "safe" in it! I guess meaning they were not killed! It takes alot to teach people. Sometimes too much.

It is common sense that as the center of gravity rises, so does the rate of roll over.

I believe in drving what you want, but know your risks and drive accordingly.

The wreck these people were in is a very rare occurance. Does this make Isuzu liable? I think not.

I personally would never have a SUV as my main primary family hauler. I just love my family too much.
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sorry don't mean to bust on your story but thats bs, no air pocket from a semi is gonna flip a 4000lb+ suv, from a hurricane yes.

suvs can be designed not too roll over if the companies actually care about that thing. two suvs that come to mind with good handling are the mercedes amg ml55 and the bmw x5, its possible. car based suvs are hot so it can only get better right?

i couldn't believe how the spokesperson for mitsu was denying everything and how he said this test was a bad example. i saw the videos on the news and it looked like something that could happen at anytime-ex to avoid a car in front of u, swerve into the left lane n back into the right lane.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wowzers:
sorry don't mean to bust on your story but thats bs, no air pocket from a semi is gonna flip a 4000lb+ suv, from a hurricane yes.
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BS huh? Hurricane? Oh well...

You take in account the wind velocity here in the flat plains of Oklahoma (it was a very common windy day that day), add that to the 65MPH Rodeo plus the oncoming passing Semi at 65MPH, and you have one hell of a velocity. (a velocity as strong as a hurricane, if not stronger)

You can bust on the story all you like, but this is what happend... The pocket of air that was created, caused forces of air under and around the vehicle, which in effect pushed and lifted the vehicle, causing the vehicle to be totally uncontrollable, went off the road, and turned over 3 times.

Is this any clearer? I hope so...

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wowzers:
sorry don't mean to bust on your story but thats bs, no air pocket from a semi is gonna flip a 4000lb+ suv, from a hurricane yes.

suvs can be designed not too roll over if the companies actually care about that thing. two suvs that come to mind with good handling are the mercedes amg ml55 and the bmw x5, its possible. car based suvs are hot so it can only get better right?

i couldn't believe how the spokesperson for mitsu was denying everything and how he said this test was a bad example. i saw the videos on the news and it looked like something that could happen at anytime-ex to avoid a car in front of u, swerve into the left lane n back into the right lane.

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Yeah yeah, the X5 and M class handle like sports cars. Did you forget what SUV's are made for? I could care less about cornering attributes when it comes to a truck or SUV. People need to understand that an SUV or truck does not, will not handle like a car period! If they could get that through their heads the world would be much happier. Maybe than this whole SUV phenom would die out.

[Deadpool]

SUV taking corners like a sports car is an oxymoron. Heck SUV taking corners like a car is an oxymoron. What hammerman said.

[Nizmo]

Hahaha...Well said. I agree with you Hammerman and IRL, the less SUV there is, the the better the world is (not to mention the atmosphere as well). Any person (and I mean ALL!!!), that drive their SUV like a sport car should have their SUV taken away from them. I know I have seen JGC and BMW X4.4 that weaves in between cars and take corner like they were some pro sport car driver. They're not only going to get themselve kill but, also the innocent people that they crash into.
Sorry, for being off topic. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif



[This message has been edited by nismoMan (edited 06-22-2001).]

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR> Yeah yeah, the X5 and M class handle like sports cars. Did you forget what SUV's are made for? I could care less about cornering attributes when it comes to a truck or SUV. People need to understand that an SUV or truck does not, will not handle like a car period! If they could get that through their heads the world would be much happier. Maybe than this whole SUV phenom would die out.
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Hahaha...Well said. I agree with you Hammerman and IRL, the less SUV there is, the the better the world is (not to mention the atmosphere as well). Any person (and I mean ALL!!!), that drive their SUV like a sport car should have their SUV taken away from them. I know I have seen JGC and BMW X4.4 that weaves in between cars and take corner like they were some pro sport car driver. They're not only going to get themselve kill but, also the innocent people that they crash into.
Sorry, for being off topic. --------------------------------------------

BS huh? Hurricane? Oh well...

You take in account the wind velocity here in the flat plains of Oklahoma (it was a very common windy day that day), add that to the 65MPH Rodeo plus the oncoming passing Semi at 65MPH, and you have one hell of a velocity. (a velocity as strong as a hurricane, if not stronger)

You can bust on the story all you like, but this is what happend... The pocket of air that was created, caused forces of air under and around the vehicle, which in effect pushed and lifted the vehicle, causing the vehicle to be totally uncontrollable, went off the road, and turned over 3 times.

Is this any clearer? I hope so...

quote/SentraSE-Rman

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the handling attributes of the performance suvs like the amg and x5 would benefit cheap suvs like the montero thing when going through emergency turns, so instead of flipping they would actually be able to swerve back n forth, handling is important on suvs as the test shows. no one is saying that a suv should be driven like a sportcars, it would just add to the safety of the vehicle. i believe the new suvs like the highlander are getting closer to car like handling since they are built on car platforms and lower to the ground.


any people who drive their sportscar like a sportscar on public roads should also have their cars taken away. just because a high performance car can do circles around a taurus doesn't mean that driver isn't putting peoples lives at risk, so if we went by what you were saying there couldn't be anything sporty on the road either.

haha, what am i supposed to believe the story now that u told me twice. if what ur friend said was true this would be happening on a daily basis. i myself have had semis pass me at high rates of speed n there is a pushing on the car. if someone wasn't paying attention they might over correct with the steering wheel n swerve off the road, no lift off though.

[Deadpool]

This SUV thing is getting exhausting now. I mean from off road to sports cars like SUVs, this craze is going downhill. Call me ignorant but I don't understand the purpose of SUVs at the first place. Let me be clear. SUVs for offroad driving is fine but turning SUVs into Car based is like having a station wagon with more ground clearence. And as far as X5, porche SUV (watever the name is) and the new FX45, this is rediculous. They are trying to make them suckers handle like sports cars. I am sorry but thats just my opinion that making SUVs handle like or atleast make people believe that SUVs can handle like sports cars is just stupid. EOR.

[2HD]

I saw the report on 20/20 or something like that. I liked the part especially when they compared it to the Pathfinder.

I honestly think Mitsu should just throw in the towel. They've dug themselves into such a deep hole (recalls, fake sales, debt, DC, etc). It would be best for them to just call it quits.

[jochi]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ThereturnofHammerman:
Yeah yeah, the X5 and M class handle like sports cars. Did you forget what SUV's are made for? I could care less about cornering attributes when it comes to a truck or SUV. People need to understand that an SUV or truck does not, will not handle like a car period! If they could get that through their heads the world would be much happier. Maybe than this whole SUV phenom would die out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you, but I hope the phenomenon doesn't die down just yet... the FX45 hasn't even come out! If the FX handles 'like' a car (ala X5 with 13mpg) would we be this antagonistic towards these vehicles?

[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jochi:
I agree with you, but I hope the phenomenon doesn't die down just yet... the FX45 hasn't even come out! If the FX handles 'like' a car (ala X5 with 13mpg) would we be this antagonistic towards these vehicles?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its a marketing ploy. It has been used and used. Infiniti is kinda late for this if you ask me. I dont know how it'll sell. We'll see. Infiniti does need one to compete with other brands.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jochi:
I agree with you, but I hope the phenomenon doesn't die down just yet... the FX45 hasn't even come out! If the FX handles 'like' a car (ala X5 with 13mpg) would we be this antagonistic towards these vehicles?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes I would! To me, that isnt an SUV.

[Hudson]

Buy an SUV, and drive it off-road. OR buy a car and drive it on-road. Want the "space" of an SUV? Get a wagon or minivan. Want the "traction" of an SUV? Again, they make AWD wagons and minivans (as well as cars). With less than 3% of SUVs ever seeing a dirt road (never mind REAL off-roading), what's the point of an SUV for the other 97% of owners?

Having said that, Consumer Reports' testing is flawed. It assumes that vehicles that pass their double lane change are better than ones that fail. Given the proper oscilation of the vehicle's springs, you can make nearly any vehicle roll over. It just happens that the fatal frequency of the Suzuki Samurai, Isuzu Trooper, and Mitsubishi Montero is the same as the frequency generated by Consumer Reports' test. I'm not saying that these vehicles are safe, I'm just saying that the testing is flawed. ALL SUVs are inherently unsafe. Even the beloved X5 is less safe than the 540 wagon.

Driving on the road? Stick with a car.