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Infiniti
04-24-2002, 04:38 AM
From Autoweek.com
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When BMW’s fourth-generation 5 Series rolls out at the Frankfurt motor show in September 2003 it will feature a new 380-hp, twin-turbo 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engine. The next-generation sedan (E60) inherits many features from the latest 7 Series such as a shift-by-wire six-speed automatic, active roll stabilization and a simplified version of the iDrive system controller. BMW will follow in 2005 with a 500-hp 5.5-liter V10-powered M5 designed to provide the M5 with a direct link to BMW's F1 involvement with Williams.

The new engine is part of a range of hot turbocharged units being readied by BMW to place Munich's new mid-ranger in direct competition with the Audi S6, Jaguar S-Type R and Mercedes-Benz E500 without the additional weight brought on by slotting a large capacity V8 engine under its bonnet.

Joining the twin-turbo six in the new 5 Series line-up will be a wide range of engines. They include the recently introduced 2.0-litre inline four together with heavily upgraded versions of BMW's highly rated 2.2-, 2.5 and 3.0-litre inline six-cylinder engines. At the upper end of the lineup will be the 3.6-litre and 4.5-litre V8 engines used in the 7 Series. Already equipped with Valvetronic, they will be upgraded to include the new direct-injection system unveiled by BMW on the 760i at last year's Frankfurt motor show.

Details remain scarce 18 months out from launch, though sources at BMW's R&D center say the twin-turbo six will provide a sporty sedan variant of the new 5 Series with performance on par with the M5. That means 0-60 mph acceleration in the 5.5-second range and an electronically limited 155 mph top speed. The best part, however, is the news that the new BMW will cost a good deal less than today's M5.

The fourth generation 5 Series will have its work cut out emulating the success of today's car, which until the arrival of Mercedes-Benz's new E-class had dominated the toughly fought executive car ranks. Still, BMW looks to have done its homework with the new car, providing it with advanced new hybrid construction together with hi-tech underpinnings, sporty new styling and the breadth of performance to match even the keenest of rivals. These sketches, supplied by BMW's own design team in Munich, expose the appearance of the new car, which will also be sold in touring guise from early 2004. Easing fears the new car would simply be a scaled down version of the controversial 7 Series, they reveal a svelte new shape that's aimed at countering criticism of today's conservatively styled model, which dates back to 1995.

The overall look is modern and aggressive, in keeping with BMW's design chief Chris Bangle's aim to get away from what he dubs the "one sausage in different lengths" appearance that has characterized the German car maker's line-up in recent years. Shapely headlamps that wrap back into the leading edge, a classy interpretation of BMW's classic kidney grille and a heavily contoured bonnet dominate the high mounted front-end to give the car instant presence.

A heavily raked windscreen combines with a wildly curved roofline and notchback-style rear end to set up a coupe-like silhouette. BMW's own artwork reveals the boot is high but less imposing than that seen on the new 7 Series.

Other features include a sharp swage along the side running from the headlamps back to the curvy tail lamps along with an unusual surface treatment that uses a mixture of convex and concave forms to provide what Bangle describes as "visual movement" when light falls on the car.

Dimensionally, the new 5 Series does not stray too far from today's car with only a moderate increase in length, width and height. The biggest change is the slight wheelbase increase, which should mean improved levels of interior accommodation, especially in the rear where legroom needs improving if the new BMW is to match the executive class competition for space.

Underneath its stylish bodywork, the new 5 Series gets advanced hybrid construction in a bid to shed weight provide even better handling response than today's highly lauded model. The front section is based around a lightweight aluminum space frame. The new approach lends expertise from the limited volume Z8 and upcoming Rolls Royce - both of which boast full space frame construction. The remainder is conventional monocoque, though the liberal use of lightweight steel, tailored blanks and a high percentage of aluminum within the (MacPherson strut front and multi-link rear) suspension will result in a lower overall weight than today's 5 Series, insiders say.

Underpinning the new 5 Series is a brand new rear-wheel drive platform that shares many components with that used underneath the 7 Series. Although going without the brake-by-wire stoppers used by the Mercedes-Benz E-class, the new BMW will still offer a host of advanced features. Among them a revolutionary new steering system from ZF that automatically corrects the angle of the front wheels in hefty side winds and under heavy braking for improved traction.

Also earmarked for upper end models are the automatic damping control and dynamic drive systems launched on the 7 Series late last year. Following heavy criticism of the much vaunted iDrive system unveiled on its flagship saloon, BMW has overhauled it for use in the new 5 Series. Insiders say the celebrated rotary dial will remain an integral part of the overall interior package. However, it will be combined with an improved menu, with features such as stability and traction control accessible through a simple press of a button rather than a long scroll through the iDrive's system. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I think the competiton better watch out.... wow

Deadpool
04-24-2002, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by Infiniti:
From Autoweek.com
http://autoweek.com/images_content/2002_04/0429nbmw1.jpg
http://autoweek.com/weekart/2002/0429/0429nbmw2.jpg
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]When BMW’s fourth-generation 5 Series rolls out at the Frankfurt motor show in September 2003 it will feature a new 380-hp, twin-turbo 3.0-liter inline six-cylinder engine. The next-generation sedan (E60) inherits many features from the latest 7 Series such as a shift-by-wire six-speed automatic, active roll stabilization and a simplified version of the iDrive system controller. BMW will follow in 2005 with a 500-hp 5.5-liter V10-powered M5 designed to provide the M5 with a direct link to BMW's F1 involvement with Williams.

The new engine is part of a range of hot turbocharged units being readied by BMW to place Munich's new mid-ranger in direct competition with the Audi S6, Jaguar S-Type R and Mercedes-Benz E500 without the additional weight brought on by slotting a large capacity V8 engine under its bonnet.

Joining the twin-turbo six in the new 5 Series line-up will be a wide range of engines. They include the recently introduced 2.0-litre inline four together with heavily upgraded versions of BMW's highly rated 2.2-, 2.5 and 3.0-litre inline six-cylinder engines. At the upper end of the lineup will be the 3.6-litre and 4.5-litre V8 engines used in the 7 Series. Already equipped with Valvetronic, they will be upgraded to include the new direct-injection system unveiled by BMW on the 760i at last year's Frankfurt motor show.

Details remain scarce 18 months out from launch, though sources at BMW's R&D center say the twin-turbo six will provide a sporty sedan variant of the new 5 Series with performance on par with the M5. That means 0-60 mph acceleration in the 5.5-second range and an electronically limited 155 mph top speed. The best part, however, is the news that the new BMW will cost a good deal less than today's M5.

The fourth generation 5 Series will have its work cut out emulating the success of today's car, which until the arrival of Mercedes-Benz's new E-class had dominated the toughly fought executive car ranks. Still, BMW looks to have done its homework with the new car, providing it with advanced new hybrid construction together with hi-tech underpinnings, sporty new styling and the breadth of performance to match even the keenest of rivals. These sketches, supplied by BMW's own design team in Munich, expose the appearance of the new car, which will also be sold in touring guise from early 2004. Easing fears the new car would simply be a scaled down version of the controversial 7 Series, they reveal a svelte new shape that's aimed at countering criticism of today's conservatively styled model, which dates back to 1995.

The overall look is modern and aggressive, in keeping with BMW's design chief Chris Bangle's aim to get away from what he dubs the "one sausage in different lengths" appearance that has characterized the German car maker's line-up in recent years. Shapely headlamps that wrap back into the leading edge, a classy interpretation of BMW's classic kidney grille and a heavily contoured bonnet dominate the high mounted front-end to give the car instant presence.

A heavily raked windscreen combines with a wildly curved roofline and notchback-style rear end to set up a coupe-like silhouette. BMW's own artwork reveals the boot is high but less imposing than that seen on the new 7 Series.

Other features include a sharp swage along the side running from the headlamps back to the curvy tail lamps along with an unusual surface treatment that uses a mixture of convex and concave forms to provide what Bangle describes as "visual movement" when light falls on the car.

Dimensionally, the new 5 Series does not stray too far from today's car with only a moderate increase in length, width and height. The biggest change is the slight wheelbase increase, which should mean improved levels of interior accommodation, especially in the rear where legroom needs improving if the new BMW is to match the executive class competition for space.

Underneath its stylish bodywork, the new 5 Series gets advanced hybrid construction in a bid to shed weight provide even better handling response than today's highly lauded model. The front section is based around a lightweight aluminum space frame. The new approach lends expertise from the limited volume Z8 and upcoming Rolls Royce - both of which boast full space frame construction. The remainder is conventional monocoque, though the liberal use of lightweight steel, tailored blanks and a high percentage of aluminum within the (MacPherson strut front and multi-link rear) suspension will result in a lower overall weight than today's 5 Series, insiders say.

Underpinning the new 5 Series is a brand new rear-wheel drive platform that shares many components with that used underneath the 7 Series. Although going without the brake-by-wire stoppers used by the Mercedes-Benz E-class, the new BMW will still offer a host of advanced features. Among them a revolutionary new steering system from ZF that automatically corrects the angle of the front wheels in hefty side winds and under heavy braking for improved traction.

Also earmarked for upper end models are the automatic damping control and dynamic drive systems launched on the 7 Series late last year. Following heavy criticism of the much vaunted iDrive system unveiled on its flagship saloon, BMW has overhauled it for use in the new 5 Series. Insiders say the celebrated rotary dial will remain an integral part of the overall interior package. However, it will be combined with an improved menu, with features such as stability and traction control accessible through a simple press of a button rather than a long scroll through the iDrive's system. <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]I think the competiton better watch out.... wow</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]wow is right. I am so sick and tired of people bashing chris bangle just by looking at the spy pics and fake pics (read vwvortex). I hope 5 series looks like the sketch. It'll definately zip all the unbeliever's holes.

GroovinGTR
04-24-2002, 06:02 AM
Com'on when has a sketch ever looked bad? And who thinks a 500hp M5 is a bit of overkill? Sure it'll be great, but 500hp? Bugatti should start worrying about it's title the way hp keeps getting jacked up!

[ 04-24-2002, 09:03 AM: Message edited by: GroovinGTR ]

Deadpool
04-24-2002, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by GroovinGTR:
Com'on when has a sketch ever looked bad? And who thinks a 500hp M5 is a bit of overkill? Sure it'll be great, but 500hp? Bugatti should start worrying about it's title the way hp keeps getting jacked up!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]sketches look exagerating but it'll look better with smaller wheels. And good thing is that it looks nothing like 7 series save for headlights and grille maybe. Which is what people were thinking it'll look like with ugly tail fin.

500hp V10 maybe overkill but Audi RS6 already has 460hp from its twinturbo V8 I believe so no its not that far fetched considering the competition is right there.

FanaticZ
04-24-2002, 10:47 AM
insane news, i was just thinking how bmw is falling behind with a 275hp 6-series and now they pull this out, tough to compete with those numbers.

the sketches look good so far, i doubt it would look like those pics which are just a 7series rip off. bmw said they are no longer going to style their vehicles alike, i think they are currently referred as sausages in different lenghts

**DONOTDELETE**
04-24-2002, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by GroovinGTR:
Com'on when has a sketch ever looked bad? And who thinks a 500hp M5 is a bit of overkill? Sure it'll be great, but 500hp? Bugatti should start worrying about it's title the way hp keeps getting jacked up!<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]overkill? not at all. MB already has the 516 hp engine in the SL55, it wont take long for that motor to trickle down to the E55.

camber
04-24-2002, 03:17 PM
I think the main thing that struck me was that BMW is doing some major weight cutting from the 5 series. Anyone that has driven a 5 series with a V8 knows that when the car is driven at the limit it feels like a boat. Hopefully the car won't break the 4000 lb mark this time. However, it still handles better than most executive sedans.

That V10 should be some kind of wonder motor. Let's hope that that BMW learned alot from it's F1 experience and makes it light, compact and rev freely.

GroovinGTR
04-24-2002, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by IRL:
sketches look exagerating but it'll look better with smaller wheels. And good thing is that it looks nothing like 7 series save for headlights and grille maybe. Which is what people were thinking it'll look like with ugly tail fin.

500hp V10 maybe overkill but Audi RS6 already has 460hp from its twinturbo V8 I believe so no its not that far fetched considering the competition is right there.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]Good, cuz I've seen pics that looks just like the front of the sketches w/ that big ugly a$$ from the 7-series. IMO the 7-series looks good except for the interior and the a$$, but I haven't seen the sales figures to see if it has persuaded buyers - obviously it has to some degree seeing as i-drive is being reconsidered.

RS6 does have 460hp, but thats stuffed in a very heavy car. A V10 M5 will definetely cost much more than the current one, hence the creation of the twin-turbo variant, and throw gas prices out the window. HP wars are stupid IMO, next-generation A6 and S-variants will be all-aluminum thankfully showing that there are many way to increase performance w/o jacking up HP.

GroovinGTR
04-24-2002, 09:13 PM
Actually the pics I was talking about were posted earlier on this same forum. Here are the pics and they clearly look like the sketches, fronts are identical:
http://216.136.200.194/auction/Apr/20024136150798786741794.jpg
http://216.136.200.194/auction/Apr/20024138581819549143051.jpg
Not bad, but not great.

limits_at_infiniti
04-25-2002, 01:46 PM
it is kinda odd of bmw to put a twin turbo in the new five. they claim the dont really like turbos for the fact taht it lags. They say that they like the implementation of a supercharger as seen in the mini S better.

o well

camber
04-26-2002, 10:13 AM
I think why BMW put the SC on the MINI was because of the size of the engine(1.6L). It is not very big engine. I think they wanted torque right when the driver mashed on the throttle. Small engines can have a tougher time with spooling up turbo chargers than bigger engines.

I never heard of BMW saying that they dislike turbos. However they may have said something specific in concerns to the MINI.

I don't think BMW is going to put out engine that suffers from turbo lag. 3L engine and twin turbo setup should be fine and turbo lag if any should be minimal.