The Competition

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Hey guys,

Maybe some of u more experienced street-racers know what the 240's can beat. I got a 1989 240sx se fastback and i am curious as to what i can beat. If anybody can give me some ideas that would be great.

One car im really curious about is what experiences have u had with cavalier z24's?

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U can beat Civics and Probably Cavaliers. The Cavaliers are slow and I've heard of Civic SI's smoking them hard.

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The 2000 model 150hp Z24 I drove felt a tad quicker than the 155hp (but slightly heavier) Altima. However, the Cavalier was no match for the Honda, which blows it away after the first gear shift. Personally, I think the 240 could take (barely) a Z24 Cavalier but would definitely lose to a Civic Si--at least if the race went to 60-70mph or more.

By the way, a similar topic to this was already covered here: What other Japanese cars would u compare a 240 to? (http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/Forum9/HTML/000199.html).

Here's what I wrote in that topic:
For good close japanese competition, even if it means losing, run a stock 240 against an Acura Integra GS-R, Honda Civic Si, Honda Prelude, Infiniti I30, Lexus ES/GS/IS 300, Mazda 626 V6, Mazda MX-5 Miata, Mazda MX-6, Mitsubishi Eclipse non-turbo, Nissan Maxima, Toyota Camry V6, or 00 Toyota Celica GT-S.

If you'd prefer to win more often, pit the 240 against an Acura Integra GS/LS, Honda Civic non-Si, Honda Accord V6, Infiniti G20, Infiniti Q45, Mazda Millenia, Mitsubishi Eclipse 4-cyl, Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS, 00 Toyota Celica GT or any older model Celica.

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CRX's with no turbo's will be an easy kill for DOHC 240's, SOHC's will definitely have a challenge.. the crx is really light and does have some get up... where the kill is, is with the DOHC. It's way too mean to do to most crx's.. they just don't have it to get off the line and keep up...

[RPS13]

Is the Civic SI really that quick? I mean I've seen stock models clocked it at 15.9 in the 1/4 mile. I use to think they were really fast, but a friend of mine with an NON GS-R Integra told me he could beat the new SI's easily. Then I looked through the mags and realized that the SI is not all that quick. I have 91 240SX and was able to get a 15.9 when my car was stock. I've never raced an SI, but I rode in one and you have to rev that thing to keep it in it's power band.

I beat the first gen GS-R easily, but the new ones just blew me away. I don't think a 240 will be able to take it stock to stock. Maybe a modified 240 vs a stock GS-R but that wouldn't really be a fair comparison.

I've also raced a modified CRX and it was really close. I think in this case the driver reaction would determine the outcome. The only thing my car had was an air filter. The CRX was modified, but he didn't pop his hood so I don't know what he had. Maybe just basic bolt ons judging by how close we were.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>...a friend of mine with an NON GS-R Integra told me he could beat the new SI's easily. Then I looked through the mags and realized that the SI is not all that quick. I have 91 240SX and was able to get a 15.9 when my car was stock. I've never raced an SI, but I rode in one and you have to rev that thing to keep it in it's power band.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Many factors in any race, but car vs. car the Si is faster than the GS/LS Integra. As with any car you do have to redline each gear to get max thrust out of it, although the Si's high-revving nature increases the short-shifting penalty. Another mistake (in any car with a high-revving engine) would be a street-start from 2nd or 3rd.

[RPS13]

Yeah, I know that there are many factors in any race. But with all the hype about the new SI, I thought it would be able to beat a lot of the 4 cylinder imports out there. As for the SI vs. GS/LS, to me, it looked like reaction time would determine the outcome of the race.

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Not to burst any bubbles but although I havn't raced any 240s I have raced many SIs modified and un-modified. Stock vs Stock my 2000 celica gt creamed the SI and we were not only going to redline but a little over which both cars love to do and we were power shifting in some of the races so we were trying every possible way and the celica always came out up front. Against and SI with a vtec controller, plugs and wires, and slightly lowered (don't think he had anything else), we went head to head, since he had a higher redline every once in a while he would get a small edge as he was still in his lower gear but that quickly changed when he then had to shift. We did many races against these and I have against others too. A lot of these races were from dead stops up to around 80 or so giving a pretty broad power range. There were also a lot of rolling starts.

Summary: stock vs stock celica gt was ahead
slight mod si then it was dead even
more mod si can pull on me easy

So if a si will give trouble to a 240 then im guessing the celica will give equal or more trouble.

btw, the clutch sucks on the si. very unresponsive and doesn't really start to engage until about half way up from the floor.

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just get yourself a set of headers and destroy the celicas no prob. On the DOHC, the hotshot headers drop 0-60 by almost a second (in my experience, 4 240's) and get an ACT clutch to hold the power so the car doesnt slip at around 5500-6000 (even new the stock clutches start slipping at this speed. hard to tell unless you have an aftermarket to compare it to), but with that you should be about 6.5 0-60. o yea and cut your airbox to expose the element and run a hose to the bumper for cool air. You can easily destroy acura 2.2CL, thunderbird, camaro and mustang V6's, old Camaros, Honda preludes, integra GSR with these mods. Im pretty sure its close to the same with a SOHC as the DOHC's ive worked on

steve


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...If the Infinti G20 is a 5 speed equipped with a skilled driver...the (stock) 240 could loose! Again it is all driver...

BTW, the Civic SI has virtually no torque and the test figures in the rags out there, those Si's were worked really hard to get the best results. The Si Civic needs a great driver that knows his/her car very well to get the goods out of it.

[This message has been edited by SentraSE-Rman (edited 12-16-2000).]

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If your talking about a new G20 your dreaming. You would have to be a very good driver, and hope the person in the 240 didn't know you were racing. The current G20 weighs like 3,100lbs a 240 around 2700-2800.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zbeast:
If your talking about a new G20 your dreaming. You would have to be a very good driver, and hope the person in the 240 didn't know you were racing. The current G20 weighs like 3,100lbs a 240 around 2700-2800.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

let me be more specific...1st generation G20 5 speed... besides a new Generation G20 5speed weighs 2,936lbs, the previous G20 was even lighter. If the 240 is stock and an Auto (alot of them are)...it will lose.

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What is a Infiniti G20?

As I live in the UK I dont know what they are

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by paulo:
What is a Infiniti G20?

As I live in the UK I dont know what they are<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.infiniti.com/docs/g20/images/gallery/g20_4b.jpg

2.0L I4, 145 HP, compact luxury sedan
this car would be really good with a small turbo, so it can take on the Audi A4 and Volvo S40

[This message has been edited by thearabian (edited 12-24-2000).]

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by paulo:
What is a Infiniti G20?

As I live in the UK I dont know what they are<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is kown in other parts of the world as a Primera... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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Oh its a Primera, the Maxima in the UK is a very heavy and dull beast indeed, but I agree with the point that the Primera should have a turbo, a friend of mine has a 92 sri and its quite rapid


(The name has changed due to reformat and i didn't write my password down.......doh!)

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Here's what I wrote in that topic:
For good close japanese competition, even if it means losing, run a stock 240 against an Honda Prelude, Nissan Maxima, or 00 Toyota Celica GT-S.


OK (From what I have seen and heard) - Depending on the model of these cars, the 240 will either tie or lose badly! (Especially a 5 Speed MAX SE - 6.7 - faster 240 SX 5 Speed , did no better than 8 seconds).

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I have a 96' 240SX that is stock. I have beaten a Civic SI from 3rd gear on. They are fast 1st to 2nd but when I hit 3rd , I say good bye. Oh anyone get beat by a Sentra SE-R yet. Caviliers no problem, all honda's except the acura sport model still will lose.
See Yah latter American cars of similar HP.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RPS13:
Is the Civic SI really that quick? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to own a 92 classic se-r for 17 days, until i rolled it on the freeway. But, in those 17 days i managed to get in one race, it was with my buddy that bought his 92 gs-r (its dead now also) 8 days after i got the se-r. Beat him by half a car, he is a good driver but my LSD got him off the line and pulled hard, he slowle started to catch up but by then the race was over. now about the SI, my friend has one i raced him with my 91 sentra E, 4 speed, slipping clutch, its F'd up. he only had me by 1 1/2 cars. Point is if i had my SE-R i would have smoked all the new SI's coming out now stock vs. stock

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I have a 1991 240SX SE 5 speed and I just picked up a classic 1991 SE-R. I took it out the other day with a buddy drivin the SX and me in the SE-R (bad clutch, out of tune) and i beat the 240 both off the line to 60 and then from a rolling 30mph.

I love both cars, but I'd have to say in a straight line the SE-R is more fun. In the backroads for now, the SX is more fun cuz the tires that the previous owner put on the SE-R are a joke. They squeal like a fat lady with no cake. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/cool.gif