SE-R + Integra= integra very far behind

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I was out taking my lady to the mall today, driving like the civilized drivers that us Nissan owners are. It was a little 2 lane backroad when someone in front of me was turning right, but someone was coming from the opposite direction so i was forced to come to what was almost a complete stop. There's this '91 integra or so, up my tail, so as the car in front of me turns, i click casually into 2nd gear, and let er rip to 6K rpm. As usual, the little integra is wheezing waaaaaaaay back, about a good 10 car lengths.

i then merge onto the highway. about a mile down, this integra driver and his passenger have the audacity to stare me and my girlfriend down. what the F are they lookin at, me and my girl ask. So, i hear him "stomp" on the gas, and his *automatic* integra LS with a ricer exhaust+stickers slowly accelerate down the highway. My girl looks at me, and says, "what are you waiting for? go pass him".

although i'm appalled, i take it to 3rd, and pull up on his left, as he had moved to the middle (though unwisely) to try to get ahead. i stare them back, and prod the throttle to take off down the road. I can see them wheezing in my rear view as they struggle to catch up, and then i glance at the speedo to see 100 nearing. its rush hour, so i coast back down to the speed limit. of course, here comes the obligatory ricer fly by. Vrrooom. oh no, what am i to do.

i prod the throttle again, only in 4th this time, to save precious gas. oh no! what happened. i pass him on the right, as me and the lady stare him down again. i take my exit, and he is right on my tail. wow, i say, what does this show.

the offramp exit merges from two lanes to one and what does the ricer do? he takes the shoulder, to pass me, and the car in front of me. whatever, i think to myself, the integra has nothing.

lo and behold, we both go to the mall exit. it splits into a left/right turnoff. he goes left, and i go right. they stare at me the whole way. what the hell do these honda drivers think? they are soooooo ignorant, its unbelievable! well, that's all.....

http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/confused.gif stupid honda drivers. the majority of them ruin it for the respectable honda drivers.

-Chris

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You know, I am actually looking forward to some Civic/Integra action. I got a 86 300ZX Turbo thats just been itching to get at someone. No one has messed with me yet though. Kinda odd. I my 94 Hardbody I get civics and all kind of stuff challenge me. I do good against them in that too.

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I took my boys to SIR(seattle Intl Raceway) last nite to do some test and tune. We got there a little after start of session and it was packed for the Bracket racing.
So we decided not to run tune as maybe we would only get 3 runs over 5 hrs of being there. Which was OK, as there were only 2 vehicles on the tune which would have gave me a run.
An 84 vette which ran 15.34 at best and a Integra which 1st ran 16.2 and then next time ran 15.21(added nitrous). Why they do this!?
Nitrous is fine, but lets set up the system(engine) with real mods 1st..
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[TwinTurboZX]

First thing I want to say is that these little pricks who drive these wannabe sport cars (civics,integras,accordians...) need to get a life. They shouldn't be messin' with us Nissan people cause they know they're gonna get their asses smoked. I am sick and tired of these assh*&les riding my ass in the freeways or cutting me all bad at 80 mph. Especially now with the high gas prices in L.A., I can't afford to play around with this shmucks... So what do you guys think, is it just me or are these punks in their honduhs really annoying and ignorant?

[MaximaBoy2000]

It was a good thing someone started a thread like this because I need some venting to do. These honduh jaskasses have no class PERIOD. They don't use turn signals, they make turns whenever they please, and they act like they're damn heroes on the roads. What I meant by being a hero is that they act like they are driving a $50,000+ sports car. They are not courteous! It is not only the little pesky ricers. It applies to all the honduh owners out there!

My point is that they don't have class. I noticed that the majority of people who don't use turn signals are honduh owners. I know it's bad to generalize but believe me it's true.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shentar:
You know, I am actually looking forward to some Civic/Integra action. I got a 86 300ZX Turbo thats just been itching to get at someone. No one has messed with me yet though. Kinda odd. I my 94 Hardbody I get civics and all kind of stuff challenge me. I do good against them in that too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You dont want to waste your time with those cars, you need to mess around with older mustangs and supra's.

[madmaxse]

I raced the heavily modified eclipse gs-t(? whatever, the one with turbo...) and prelude a about a week ago in my solara. Lost by full car length to Eclipse, but managed to stay right next to prelude the whole time. Gash, how I wished I was in my max and smoke them both!!!! But it was fun though....oh well..

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Well, life has a funny way of doing things. My Z Turbo had bad tires. I finally get some new ones (Nitto 450's since I'm sorta ona budget while the car gets a few things fixed and I am in school again). Well, twice in one night I get challenged.

First up, a 3rd gen Camaro RS. I flubbed the start but I had him for the most part. I need to continue to work on my shift points. That digital dash has issues with being up to date.

Next: A ~96 Accord. Modified. This was fun. All at interstate speed. He was ahead since he felt compeled to challenge me as I drive minding my own business. I hung with him, let him dodge around cars being an a-hole. When it opened, I passed him and he just didn't have the power to keep up. Was fun. Big grin on my face. Too bad my Z is stock http://66.96.198.147/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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OK, as a Honda/Acura owner I feel I need to defend here.

Number 1) your confusing all honda/acura owners for inconsiderate idiots. Yes I know they are out there, but they drive every car under the sun.

Number 2) I use my turn signals and give every car out there their space. The people you seen driving Civics and Tegs are usually kids that think they are bulletproof, beleive me we have the same thoughts about these kids on Honda-Tech.com

Number 3) I was one the interstates one day, when some ass in a older model turbo Z passed my ass and cut me off, when I started to pull even with him to race, the ass just took off, even though he got a jump I was still right behind him and gaining ground. all my cat has in an AEM CAI.

Please don't lump all Honda/Acura owners into one catagory. I seen alot if disrepectful Nissan/Infinity owners as well.

Shentar: congrats on beating a 3 gen RS, the are only heavy and under powered, I know I owned one. 170hp in 3500lbs of car, not a big challenge

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This was a modified RS. I'm not sure, but I think it had a V8 in it. Or a massaged V6. It just didn't sound like the RS's I've heard before. Even for a 3rd Gen Camaro, it looked actually very good so it had some work done somewhere.

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RS = v6

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i realize that many of the Honda/Acura owners out there are punks, and instigate races with cars that are way out of their league, but beating a 91 integra ls automatic is nothing to brag about. a Civic Si will rape an SE-R or an SE, and the upscale Integra GS-R will demolish an Infiniti G20. I hate to burst your guy's bubbles, but Honda/ Acura builds more performance oriented cars than Nissan/ Infiniti CURRENTLY builds. I realize that the new SE-R and Z car are going to be great performance cars, and will be well worth the money, but if I had to choose between the two, i would buy a honda/ acura over a nissan. your pathetic stories about beating riced out Hondas and your half-assed efforts at eloquence do not impress anyone at all.
just my .02

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A civic Si rape an old school Se-r, I dont think so my friend. I remember reading one magazine(I think grm) that said with the right driver a 91-93 se-r could do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds, And I think MT got a 0-60 in 7.2, So who's really getting raped.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nitrousjunkie68:
a Civic Si will rape an SE-R <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i owned a 92 se-r 137,000mi, my friend owned a 92 gs-r 82,000mi, both cars have been gone for a while now, but we raced and i had him by at least one car. my other friend has a new civic si raced him with my 91 sentra e 110hp 4 speed slipping clutch he only beat me by one and a half cars, and he wasnt even pulling hard. i can say the my sentra E has beaten more hondas than it has lost races total. cars w/more hp, less mileage, and 5 speeds. hondas suck i am glad i love nissans and that i am not a chump that drives an si, gs-r, sh or what ever. all my friends like hondas, and i love the fact that within 3 months i will be driving a fast ass NISSAN that will rape any honda that steps up. long live NISSAN.

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i hate honduhs the biggest waste of money ever

[AceInHole]

Ahh, let's not hate on honda's now. . . not everyone buys a car to drive. meaning: some people just need transportation. honda's have reliability and good gas mileage, which is why they're still around.
that said: it DOES tick me off when they race. even if it's not me they're buggin. we'll be parked watching street races on a friday night and 2 beehives with megaphones (civics with 5" exhausts. . . i only wonder if i'm exaggerating) will come up to a light. it's one of the most annoything things ever, since it takes so long for them to actually go away. they even look slow (well, next to the mustang/camaro/supra race. . . you get my point eh?).
well, at least around here, it seems like people are learning. i see less and less civics and integras on the street actually racing. some of them look nice, i'll give em that, so i see alot of them parked where they belong. now i'm seeing VW GTI VR6's, and turbo DSM's come around. . . giving the big ol' v8's a run for their money.
still, it doesn't mean there aren't fast honda's. has anyone ever seen a 1.8L turbo CRX? they exist. . . and they're not that expensive to put together with the right connections. . . but it's just rare that you'll come up to a light next to one and get smoked. . . bad.
anyways, i'm just a "lowly" 240sx driver (underpowered 4 cylinder. . . with no turbo. YET =). so sometimes pulling up next to a civic or integra that wants to get beat is good for some self assurance. (not everyone is into drifting. . . so sometimes you gotta drag).
finally: if everyone bought a nissan, i'm sure they'red be more riced out nissans. be thankful the "Ricer Syndrome" stayed contained majorly within the Honda rings. . .
I usually don't mind what they do. it's comical entertainment sometimes. just make sure to plug your ears.

Spread love, not hate. Drive nissans:
PJ

[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JUNsr20:
i hate honduhs the biggest waste of money ever<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sorry but I find your statement very biased and arrogant. Honda is a very respected company, and well known in US for its quality and other things. Maybe more so then Nissan. I love Nissan and I do respect Honda. Honda makes some good cars. Its not Honda, its the honda enthusiast that gives the company a bad name. SOME enthusiast I should say.

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sorry i came off that way. its just that every where i go in my town all i see is hondas and all of my friends sit there and tell me that hondas are the best (i hear it all day no joke) and that honda is better that nissan. I just got fed up and all that jazz that that an SI will rape an SE-R. i've owned an SE-R and driven a few SIs and the SE-R will mop all over an SI.

[AceInHole]

Si's might not feel fast, but for a small car it's got some pep. Still, no comparison to any good nissan IMO. Around here they're starting to learn, and parking their kitted, slammed, 19"rim cars instead of running around like a buncha bees. (not to say that they don't drive by and annoy the hell out of anyone they pass. . . .)

[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JUNsr20:
sorry i came off that way. its just that every where i go in my town all i see is hondas and all of my friends sit there and tell me that hondas are the best (i hear it all day no joke) and that honda is better that nissan. I just got fed up and all that jazz that that an SI will rape an SE-R. i've owned an SE-R and driven a few SIs and the SE-R will mop all over an SI.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey buddy, you don't have to be sorry. You're not the only one fed up with these little hondas and their arrogant owners.
I'm specially tired of these people talking about respect honda this and respect honda that, well bull****. Obviously these people are just as absentminded as those who buy those cars. LONG LIVE NISSAN!!!

[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TwinTurboZX:
Hey buddy, you don't have to be sorry. You're not the only one fed up with these little hondas and their arrogant owners.
I'm specially tired of these people talking about respect honda this and respect honda that, well bull****. Obviously these people are just as absentminded as those who buy those cars. LONG LIVE NISSAN!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Grow up. These people this, these people that. People like you give bad names to Nissan enthusiasts. There is no difference between you and those idiots you are calling Honda enthusiast. I guess its contagious. Its not about Honda. Its about ignorant jerks.

[Deadpool]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TwinTurboZX:
Yeah, jerk offs like you... You sure pay a lot of "respect" to a lot of stuff, doesn't that tire you out. Man, if I got a penny for every time you paid respect to something, I would be hanging out at the Ferrari forums.
Why don't you head on over to the honduh forums and give your respects, I'm sure they would love you kissin' their asses. http://66.96.198.147/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

NISSAN RULLEEEZZZ!!! http://66.96.198.147/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://66.96.198.147/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

[This message has been edited by TwinTurboZX (edited 06-21-2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Great idea. Thanks. Thats some deep thinking on your part.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nitrousjunkie68:
i realize that many of the Honda/Acura owners out there are punks, and instigate races with cars that are way out of their league, but beating a 91 integra ls automatic is nothing to brag about. a Civic Si will rape an SE-R or an SE, and the upscale Integra GS-R will demolish an Infiniti G20. I hate to burst your guy's bubbles, but Honda/ Acura builds more performance oriented cars than Nissan/ Infiniti CURRENTLY builds. I realize that the new SE-R and Z car are going to be great performance cars, and will be well worth the money, but if I had to choose between the two, i would buy a honda/ acura over a nissan. your pathetic stories about beating riced out Hondas and your half-assed efforts at eloquence do not impress anyone at all.
just my .02<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


As the first post on this thread, I need to rebut your punk reply. You sound just like every other Honda/Acura punk owner.

1. I wasn't 'bragging', I was simply stating the story as it happened. Rather, it was my first encounter with a pesky Honda with my newly acquired SE-R. Something to brag about MAY be taking 3 different 2000 Civic Si's in my 9 year old 240SX. I guess that whopping 160 horsepower doesn't do much without torque. Just for comparison, my SE-R will run rings around my 240.

2. what exactly are you trying to say about a GS-R beating a G20? Those are two totally different cars, with the only thing in common being that they are four-banger, FWD, Japanese automobiles. That's great, but did you know a 300ZX would beat an Accord? Wow, check out that comparison now! (note my extensive sarcasm).

3. Speaking of eloquence, its good that 'eloquence' was the longest word in your post. How long did it take you to come up with that one? Anyway, I wasn't trying to impress anyone with my vernacular, but what I posted was enough to provoke this 22+ thread.

4. How many performance oriented cars has Honda produced? Let's start a tally, lest i forget a few. We have: Integra, Civic(Si and Type R in Japan), NSX, S2000, Prelude.

Nissan? Maxima, 300ZX, 240SX, SE-R, the G20(since you had to compare it to a GS-R), NX2000, Skyline(Japan only, obviously).

7 for Nissan, 5 for Honda.

Well, that's all for now. So, Mr. NitrousJunkie, lets see what your motor has got without that laughing gas that's making your retarded and then we'll talk some more. If you are tired of reading how your precious Honda can't handle itself on the road, then check out the boards at ClubSi.com. Maybe their happy stories will suit your taste. Get back to class and learn some more big words to intimidate me with http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/rolleyes.gif


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[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IRL:
Grow up. These people this, these people that. People like you give bad names to Nissan enthusiasts. There is no difference between you and those idiots you are calling Honda enthusiast. I guess its contagious. Its not about Honda. Its about ignorant jerks.

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Yeah, jerk offs like you... You sure pay a lot of "respect" to a lot of stuff, doesn't that tire you out. Man, if I got a penny for every time you paid respect to something, I would be hanging out at the Ferrari forums.
Why don't you head on over to the honduh forums and give your respects, I'm sure they would love you kissin' their asses. http://66.96.198.147/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

NISSAN RULLEEEZZZ!!! http://66.96.198.147/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://66.96.198.147/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

[This message has been edited by TwinTurboZX (edited 06-21-2001).]

[llaprad1]

I normally dont reply to street racing stories but.....

I just saw The Fast & The Furious. Testosterone. My biggest problem.. everyone uses nitrous. (and they all pronounce it "NOS" not N.O.S. but NOS. Its a brand name, people)

Anyway, on the way, I knew ricers would be out in full force. Lo and behold and Si pulls up behind me. Sounded like intake & exhaust. (Im sorry, but it sounded GOOOOD)

Anyways, he starts flashing me and puts on his hazards, instigating a casual "race." Just like Tokyo Extreme Racer! Ive never seen anybody do this. Cool.

Interstate driving in the HOV lane. As soon as we reach traffic I back off.

My point is I slowly walked away. I didn't kill him, mind you. I have a JWT ECU, JSpec SR20DE, HS Headers, and JWT Intake, so you know.

It was fun and I knew he was having fun too. Meanwhile an MR2 Turbo and an Eclipse GST with a blow-off valve were playing behind us!

So in conclusion. good matchup, IMO....

But I kicked his ass! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

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This post just goes to show that every car enthusiast sect always has bad apples. By that I mean people who think:

a) Their car company is the best! Woohoo! "I am so super and so is my car."

b) Everyone else is stupid.

c) Every other car company is stupid.

So many people fit into that this category that posted on this thread. Its rather pathetic... TwinTurboZX, JUNsr20.

There are however many good apples here and they should be commended, like IRL. He obvisouly has an open mind, isn't bigoted and doesn't have tunnel vision. Some of you guys really need to grow up.

Each car company has their strengths. And weaknesses. And that loser that posted " Nissan has more sports cars than Honda", give me a break man. You don't know how childish you sound.

Lets not forget that not long ago, Nissan was a dismal failure. Bleeding money, losing market share. I'm glad to hear Ghosn turned things around.

I am, however, a huge fan of Nissan. A huge fan of Japanense cars. I have a SR20DET swap in the works for an S13.

However, I will not hesitate to walk you any day of the week in my FI GSR. I'm no ricer. I have a fully buillt B18C1 with 270whp. Bring it on, lard-ass Z....

(The above paragraph is for the foolios who will see my post as a threat, and will need to flame me like the troll that they are.)

Geez, you haters need to learn how to get along.

Cheers and happy boostin'!

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look dude all im saying is an SI won't rape an SE-R. It has nothing to do with respect or thinking ones car is the best. You can think ferrari is the best, i think nissan is the best and thats it. It just happens that i drive my favorite car. You all got to admit hondas are played out, and people are taking it very far with all the "custom" stuff that EVERYONE is doing.

[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gsrmunj:
This post just goes to show that every car enthusiast sect always has bad apples. By that I mean people who think:

a) Their car company is the best! Woohoo! "I am so super and so is my car."

b) Everyone else is stupid.

c) Every other car company is stupid.

So many people fit into that this category that posted on this thread. Its rather pathetic... TwinTurboZX, JUNsr20.

There are however many good apples here and they should be commended, like IRL. He obvisouly has an open mind, isn't bigoted and doesn't have tunnel vision. Some of you guys really need to grow up.

Each car company has their strengths. And weaknesses. And that loser that posted " Nissan has more sports cars than Honda", give me a break man. You don't know how childish you sound.

Lets not forget that not long ago, Nissan was a dismal failure. Bleeding money, losing market share. I'm glad to hear Ghosn turned things around.

I am, however, a huge fan of Nissan. A huge fan of Japanense cars. I have a SR20DET swap in the works for an S13.

However, I will not hesitate to walk you any day of the week in my FI GSR. I'm no ricer. I have a fully buillt B18C1 with 270whp. Bring it on, lard-ass Z....

(The above paragraph is for the foolios who will see my post as a threat, and will need to flame me like the troll that they are.)

Geez, you haters need to learn how to get along.

Cheers and happy boostin'!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The main reason why people don't take Nissan serious is because of people like you, the unloyal fans. You guys always give praise to other car companies because you are insecure and don't have the balls to stand behind Nissan. Before the Nissan revival of the late 90s to present, most of you so called Nissan "enthusiasts" probably didn't even know Nissan existed. You guys are the real losers.

If you go to the honda forums and you mention Nissan, they'll rip your ass to shreds. What, you think they're gonna kiss your ass like you kiss theirs. Hell no, nobody will cut you any slack, so I say the hell with honda and the people who drive them.

P.S. It's a fact Nissan has made and will make more and better sports cars than honda.

[This message has been edited by TwinTurboZX (edited 06-23-2001).]

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nitrousjunkie68:
i realize that many of the Honda/Acura owners out there are punks, and instigate races with cars that are way out of their league, but beating a 91 integra ls automatic is nothing to brag about. a Civic Si will rape an SE-R or an SE, and the upscale Integra GS-R will demolish an Infiniti G20. I hate to burst your guy's bubbles, but Honda/ Acura builds more performance oriented cars than Nissan/ Infiniti CURRENTLY builds. I realize that the new SE-R and Z car are going to be great performance cars, and will be well worth the money, but if I had to choose between the two, i would buy a honda/ acura over a nissan. your pathetic stories about beating riced out Hondas and your half-assed efforts at eloquence do not impress anyone at all.
just my .02<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i would like to just to comment on your statement that honda builds more performance oriented cars than nissan. that is a false statement. if you look at the world flagship sports car, who owns it? NISSAN (skyline GTR)!!! they also have the silvia which isnt too shabby either. what does honda really have? S2000, integra, civic, blah blah blah. oh yeah they do have the NSX which is probably the biggest ripoff in the world too. with the new V8 maxima coming out in 2003 and the new 2.5L SE-R coming in a few months, looks like nissan is still on top =) honda/acura owners.....ENJOY THE RIDE!!!

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Some of you are showing your ignorance, and are acting like a bunch of kids.(on both sides).

Im very impressed that your Integra has ~280 whp, and yes it could kill a stock TTZ, but if he spent as much money on his car as you did he probably could do the same to you.

TTZ, you need to choose your words more wisely. Just because people treat people on other forums a certain way, doesn't mean you can bring that kind of attitude over to Fa. If you cant see that other companies build great products, thats your problem. Don't go flamming other members who have been here way longer, and have contributed much more intellectually stimulating information than you, just because you dont agree with them.

[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zbeast:
Some of you are showing your ignorance, and are acting like a bunch of kids.(on both sides).

Im very impressed that your Integra has ~280 whp, and yes it could kill a stock TTZ, but if he spent as much money on his car as you did he probably could do the same to you.

TTZ, you need to choose your words more wisely. Just because people treat people on other forums a certain way, doesn't mean you can bring that kind of attitude over to Fa. If you cant see that other companies build great products, thats your problem. Don't go flamming other members who have been here way longer, and have contributed much more intellectually stimulating information than you, just because you dont agree with them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, father... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif

WOW, "intellectually stimulating information", I wasn't aware that honduh people had the actual brain capacity to use such big words. Did you use a thesaurus for this reply?

Anyways, nothing changes, honda still sucks!!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TwinTurboZX:
Anyways, nothing changes, honda still sucks!!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont believe this guy. After I tell him that I am a Nissan enthsiast, he still rails me. You got serious problems man.
And anytime you want your ass mopped, I'll be glad to you hand it to you....
Afterall, you are so big and bad in your awesome Z that costs way too much, is a joke in most "true" sports car circles and is a fat pig.

As for the Skyline, We all know what a great car it is. I plan on owning one.
But, doesn't it refect on Nissan and its "sporting image" that they don't sell it here? All you people saying that Nissan is "THE" sports car company, need to look at the facts. Barely any of their sports are sold here, or even in other parts of the world. What does that say about your beloved company?
At least Honda has the balls to bring some of their race bred cars over here...

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You guy's just proved my point once more. And by the way TT16yearold, Im a Nissan enthusiast.

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Jeez, guys, there's loyalty, and then there's bigotry.

I'll let you guys think for yourselves which side of that line you stand in. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

- Ed.

[AceInHole]

This is getting amusing, so I'll do the thing I'm not supposed to do (let the thread die) and keep it alive ^__^.
Seriously, it's really up to preference on what you're looking for in a car. I think Honda's are nice when they're not "fuglied" up. Some people will get them and put $$ down thinking they can make their car the fastest or best looking, and with Honda it's easy to try since there's so much available (a.k.a. so many U.S. companies copycatting Japanese stuff). They can do what they want, it's their life.
The reason I bought my car ('92 240sx, later replaced by a '95) over a prelude was because of what I think I can build up. Seriously, it's pefectly fine to think your car is more capable than the other guy's, that's why we buy the cars we buy: we think they're better. We can't even say "prove it" really, since there will always be faster cars or people claiming their car is faster. That's part of the fun: competition. it will never end, which is why racing keeps going on. If we all knew that one car was specifically faster, why would we race?? (besides to prove who's a better driver, but that's off topic).
Pound for pound, meaning car for car, i think nissan puts out the best, especially since they stuck with a RWD layout on their "compact sports car", the 240sx, untill it stopped being imported (just like the U.S. lost the Rx-7 and Supra). If Nissan wasn't afraid to turbocharge cars in the U.S. (adapt their cars to meet U.S. emmissions standards) they would have dominated the compact sports/ sports car market. However, even though they didn't bring them, they're still available, since they exist. It's actually nice that they didn't import those Japanese- spec engines, because it makes importing them mean so much more (you get a virtually "exotic" car).
Anyways, it's just my .02.
-Given a nickel already:
PJ

[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gsrmunj:
I dont believe this guy. After I tell him that I am a Nissan enthsiast, he still rails me. You got serious problems man.
And anytime you want your ass mopped, I'll be glad to you hand it to you....
Afterall, you are so big and bad in your awesome Z that costs way too much, is a joke in most "true" sports car circles and is a fat pig.

As for the Skyline, We all know what a great car it is. I plan on owning one.
But, doesn't it refect on Nissan and its "sporting image" that they don't sell it here? All you people saying that Nissan is "THE" sports car company, need to look at the facts. Barely any of their sports are sold here, or even in other parts of the world. What does that say about your beloved company?
At least Honda has the balls to bring some of their race bred cars over here...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I can't believe you put down the Z(one of the greatest sports cars of all time) like that, and you call yourself a Nissan enthusiast.

Let's clear something up about honda here and I'm sorry if I hurt any of you wannabe honda dragsters' feelings. I'm talking about true sports cars. The civic and integra are not sports cars, so stop referring to them as sports cars, they are just wannabes. Next, the s2000 is a roadster not a sports car and the prelude is an expensive supped up civic in disguise. That leaves the nsx, which is a true sports car but doesn't have 1/10 the performance that a $90,000 sports car should have, and it looks like somebody over at acura ripped off the Ferrari F355 body blueprints to help them out. Man, for that price you can get a Porsche 911. And don't give me that crap about v-tech, it's only variable valve timing, Nissan, toyota, BMW, and many others all have similar systems on their cars so it's not a big deal.

Nissan on the other hand has the god of sports cars the Skyline GT-R, the 300zx, the silvia, and soon to come the new Z. Did I miss anything. So it looks to me that honda may have the balls (supposedly) but Nissan packs the punch in the performance category. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gsrmunj:
[B]This post just goes to show that every car enthusiast sect always has bad apples. By that I mean people who think:

a) Their car company is the best! Woohoo! "I am so super and so is my car."

b) Everyone else is stupid.

c) Every other car company is stupid.

So many people fit into that this category that posted on this thread. Its rather pathetic... TwinTurboZX, JUNsr20.

There are however many good apples here and they should be commended, like IRL. He obvisouly has an open mind, isn't bigoted and doesn't have tunnel vision. Some of you guys really need to grow up.

Each car company has their strengths. And weaknesses. And that loser that posted " Nissan has more sports cars than Honda", give me a break man. You don't know how childish you sound.

B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blah blah blah blah blah. Why don't you just get on your knees behind IRL and pucker up. Some people (YOU being one of them) take things too far out of proportion.

I was simply rebutting Mr. NitrousJunkie's comment of how Honda has more sports ca--you know what? Forget it..its not worth arguing that point.

Now, to clarify, I have no problems with Hondas or Acuras. I own an Accord, not that I'm very happy with it, but sometimes there is just a need for four doors. I'm glad that you have a crazy fast Integra, I wish I had the dolla$ to pack in the horsepower. One day....

What does present a problem, as you all know, are the dorks who do all these "upgrades" to their cars, none of which has any impact on speed nor does it serve any useful function. Do you really need glowing windshield washer nozzles? Stickers advertising everything you have, and even things that you don't? Driving a rusty old automatic Integra with nothing but a fart-can muffler about 5 inches too big and staring me down in my car not expecting to be laughed at. I realize that my car isn't all that quick, but when really annoys me is when someone with a car so fugly and slow tries to....ugh! forget it, i'm rambling. I'm done.

Honda is a good car, great even, Nissan makes great cars...what's the problem? Its everyone trying to glorify every other car on Earth at the expense of any car that's not theirs.

So as you see, gsrmunj, I am not so different from you (except that my cars are much slower than yours), but maybe you should watch who you call losers, pathetic, yada yada yada. ok, now i'm really done.

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Im not gonna sit here and argue like this for an eternity.
But I will say this...
Just because I don't like the Z32, doesn't mean I can't be a Nissan enthusiast.
Thats probably the dumbest thing said in this entire thread.
I don't like the Nissan Altima too(current). I don't like the Nissan Frontier. So what?
I don't like the Toyota Rav4. Doesn't mean I will never own a Supra. Cuz I sure as hell will soon.

Anyways, yes the Datsun 280Z was awesome. Major old skool props. The Z32 I do not like. Plain and simple. And if you think I'm the only one, ask the thousands of others out there that agree. I'll say it again, the Z(current) is a joke in most true sports car circles.

Even in japan, why buy a fatass Z when you can either save money and get a Silvia Spec R or go all out with a GT-R. Its a no brainer...

So I stand by it. I think the Z sux. I think the Ford Focus sux. Let it go man.

And to the persont that said the Integra isn't a true spots car... Boohoohoo. You really hurt my feelings. I'm well aware of what my car is. It is a FF Civic based car that got some nice Acura goodies.
Never the less, I will not hesitate to spank your ass anyday of the week.

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ok im the new guy around so i doubt my opinions would really matter. but honestly, i always thought the war was between imports and domestics. but once i came here i realize that there is a japanesse civil war going on around here. if u ask me which is better, 'honda/acura or nissan/infinity' i'd say they're dead equal. my family owns a acura (3.2TL) i love it like a brother. but just because i own a honda product doesn't mean im a hater of nissans. (im actually in the market for a 240sx). quite frankly i respect all japanesse car makers, (especially honda, nissan and toyota) but i have a hard time respecting domestic cars. (mustang, LOL!)
well, thats just my opinion. don't let people's opinions piss u off because its what YOU think that counts. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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yea man, this has kinda taken an ugly turn. But some people just don't get it and thick headed. I am a fan of most japanese cars. I refuse to buy a domestic at any cost.
But what we were discussing is when things get down the very nitty gritty.

Would I take a Z over a Camaro? Of course!
But thats not what this is about, and you'll find that on most enthusiast boards for import cars, there are always rivalrys.

But all in all, its just good fun and a healthy argument. Except for those immature trolls that take things over the top... not that there's any of those here http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

I specifically like giving the hardcore Nissan boys a run for the money and an alternative point of view. Some people just get way too close minded...

And I'll say it again, I'm a Nissan enthusiast.

[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>
And I'll say it again, I'm a Nissan enthusiast.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Huh, Yeah right... and I'm George W. Bush. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

[AceInHole]

adding to the relevance of the thread. . . (spelling errors too maybe):
I dusted another integra today (yes, another. . .). Not saying they're slow, but I pulled on him pretty bad. It was night so i'm not gonna say it was a GSR or whatever. All i know is it was '94-95.

PJ
'95 240sx

[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AceInHole:
adding to the relevance of the thread. . . (spelling errors too maybe):
I dusted another integra today (yes, another. . .). Not saying they're slow, but I pulled on him pretty bad. It was night so i'm not gonna say it was a GSR or whatever. All i know is it was '94-95.

PJ
'95 240sx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah, show them who's boss. By the way, integras are slow, so all you integra owners out there quit pretending you drive dragster.

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Im so tired of the childish remarks in this thread.(mostly from 2 guys) Do you really own a TTZ or are you just some 16yo dreaming of one? Cuz if you did and knew anything about them, then you'd know that the Z32 was never ment to be a straight line drag car. And to the guy who said the Z32 was a joke. HUH? On a road coarse a properly tuned Z would tear your car a new azz hole(even with its ~280hp), and thats what it was ment to do.(laugh at that)

[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zbeast:
Im so tired of the childish remarks in this thread.(mostly from 2 guys) Do you really own a TTZ or are you just some 16yo dreaming of one? Cuz if you did and knew anything about them, then you'd know that the Z32 was never ment to be a straight line drag car. And to the guy who said the Z32 was a joke. HUH? On a road coarse a properly tuned Z would tear your car a new azz hole(even with its ~280hp), and thats what it was ment to do.(laugh at that)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never said my Z was a drag car, although I have seen Z32's modified to be drag cars. All I''m saying is that I'm tired of these people talking about how fast the integra is , this and that. Bottom line is that any car can be fast if it's tuned even a kia. I'm talking about out of the box stock not one with mods up the ass.

[AceInHole]

Well, i never said integras were slow. It took a while for me to consider my S13 "alot" faster than my roomate's Integra LS. Of course, the S14 pulls harder, although I think they're about the same (S13 had 2.25" catback exhaust. . . S14 is stock with a walker muffler). It's just that, from the S13 to the S14. . . I've never been beaten by an Integra. So, I give props to integras (and preludes, even though I never really raced one from a complete stop). Since I can beat them, it makes me that much faster!! haha.

Oh yeah, I dusted another Civic (those wings. . . i think it was the downforce that killed him. hahahahahaha (sorry, but it's really funny))

PJ
"Clearcorners and high intensity lights give you an extra 5 horsepower."

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Okay I just got here buuuut...

1. The Z a joke in most racing circles.... Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight hahaha, do tell me where please.

2. Expensive Z? Not really, you can have a nice 93ish TT thats in clean shape with under 40k miles for around 15k or so. Compare that to the Civic SI (18+k or so) and it doesn't seem so expensive now does it, and it's a hell of a lot faster to boot.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

LOL, your points seem just as ludicrous to me as mine seem to you.

First up, talk to the FD and MKIV boys about what they think about the Z. And why does it get passed up for GTR or Silvia on a regular basis?

I know you think I'm just pulling this stuff out of my ass, afterall, I'm just some Honda riceboy. Well, if you pulled your head out of your ass, you'd see that having tunnel vision doesn't get you anywhere in a debate.
There are plenty of people(obviously not on this board) who would say the same things I have said. Two people I know would say them. One owns a Supra TT and the other a GS-T. Hmm, I wonder why they passed on the 14K Z? Trust me, aesthetics was not part of the descision...
(And what I meant was, when it was new, it was overpriced for what you got and that competitors products were superior for same or less money...)

And yea, we are all aware that any car can be made to go fast with X amount of dollars.
Thats just not what we are talking about here...

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Yes if your set up for drag racing, the supra, rx7 and tons of other cars are way better than the Z32. Thats because the Z isn't designed for drag racing its design for road racing.Here is a clipping from zhome.com 1994: "Z wins both the 24 Hours of Daytona and the 12 Hours at Sebring. It goes on to win the GTS class at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, making it the only car ever to accomplish such a record within the same year."

So if you wanna drag race you'd be better off getting a supra or rx7 or if you really had any sense you would just get an old american MC. But please dont call the Z32 a joke, I'll admit its showing its age, after all it was designed in the mid 80's and was introduced in the late 80's. Mazda and Toyota had a few more years to come out with their top sports cars, and even then the Z was often chosen over them in many car magazine comparisons.

[TwinTurboZX]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gsrmunj:
LOL, your points seem just as ludicrous to me as mine seem to you.

First up, talk to the FD and MKIV boys about what they think about the Z. And why does it get passed up for GTR or Silvia on a regular basis?

I know you think I'm just pulling this stuff out of my ass, afterall, I'm just some Honda riceboy. Well, if you pulled your head out of your ass, you'd see that having tunnel vision doesn't get you anywhere in a debate.
There are plenty of people(obviously not on this board) who would say the same things I have said. Two people I know would say them. One owns a Supra TT and the other a GS-T. Hmm, I wonder why they passed on the 14K Z? Trust me, aesthetics was not part of the descision...
(And what I meant was, when it was new, it was overpriced for what you got and that competitors products were superior for same or less money...)

And yea, we are all aware that any car can be made to go fast with X amount of dollars.
Thats just not what we are talking about here...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Listen up, you're starting to piss me off with your stupid bull**** statements. You, the FD and the MKIV boys can suck my big s*%t.

yeah, of course a jerk off who owns a supra and another jerk off who owns a piece of crap rx7 will tell you the Z isn't good, but the fact is that the Z will **** them both in the azz and they know that.

Have you ever driven a supra, it feels like my mom's buick without any struts. If that's a sports car then put me in a jeep.

Actually the rx7 was pretty good for the mechanics who had the pleasure to repair all of them every month or so, made them a lot of money, still does
(garbage!!).

Anyways, what do you know about real cars, you're just a honduh rice boy wannabe racer in your fagot ass civic.

[This message has been edited by TwinTurboZX (edited 07-05-2001).]

[Jawad]

Alrite thats enough now. The level of discussion in this form has hit an all time low.

[Rcs476]

Heh heh, can everyone guess who the moron is here? The person who has no debating skills and just insults people when he realizes that his argument is going no where?

I know this is an older post, but I had to respond to some things, and yes it all has to do with things this moron posted. 1st, go to any honda board and ask about nissan's there and you will get mainly positive response's, of course there is an a55hole on every board, but "us" honda owners appreciate certain Nissan's, 240's, Se-r's and even the 300zx. 2. You said something about the NSX being overrated? Well, I notice that when out powered, alot of Nissan guys, bring up the twisties and the whole driving experience thing, which is actually what the NSX is about, driving experience, yes I would actually rather have a 911TT, but the NSX is an amazing car. Don't hate on it just because it was out of your price range. 3. The Prelude is not just another Civic in disguise, I think the only thing they actually have in common is the materials used in the finished product. People on honda boards do not claim to own sports cars, with engine swaps and proper suspension tuning that is what they can be made though. The integra type r was actually made to be Auto-x'd. Just because a car is not RWD, doesn't mean it's not a sports car. So what if it's not a factory sports car. Who cares? If you want to talk straight line racing, quarter mile wise? Have you been to/seen import drags? Where exactly are the 300zx's? Why is it, that you mainly see HONDA'S, ROTARY'S, DSM'S and a Focus? Where is your precious Z. I love the 300ZXtt, but I think you are being rather ignorant in your posts. Yes honda's are everywhere, but so are Z's, Maxima's, Altima's and Sentra's. 240's are the only one's I have a hard time finding, which also make's it very desireable, beautiful styling both S13 and 14, RARE, and tunable. So there, it just shows you that I am not being biased because I own a honda. Please stop putting all honda owners into the same category, we're not all like that. I am not a honda enthusiast or a Nissan enthusiast, if I like a car and how it feels, I will buy it. This wasn't meant to offend anybody except who it was meant for.