New Maxima Design is a Complete Failure

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I drove a 97 SE for 3 yrs and 2K for 3 years and I am glad I am not continuing my tenure with Maximas becuase the new design is a complete failure! Can we say...ran out of ideas when we thought of the new Altima? Think we wouldn't notice?

I have just purchased a 03 Murano SL AWD and that is the type of style, class, cutting edge design and brute that I have enjoyed from Nissan the past 6 years. The new Maxima disgraces its heritage.

Armrest/console in the rear? Give me a break..trying to incorporate limousine styling? It's a Nissan, not a Maybach.

[squid]

They're trying to keep a family resemblance in their vehicles from now on. The optional center console thingy seems to be pretty cool for adults who aren't looking for a make-out spot. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

[jaak]

Most others here won't agree, but I do.

I'm getting a Murano SL AWD as well. Love my 2K Max, think the new one's ugly, don't want it...

Let the argument... Begin! http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I completely agree. I think the new Max is horrible. They have been hyping it so much, yet under such "secrecy" .... It is a complete let down. As for the back seat, what fun is that? What, us adults are supposed to read books back there?....Make out spot or not, that thing is stupid....

[ALTYZMAX]

Why is it a design failure? Because YOU don't like it? There are many people that think the car looks great!
As for disgracing it's heritage, ther's no reason for the maxima to stay the way it is since the Altima V6 basically fills in that spot (especially after they upgrade the interior). Moving the Maxima more into the near-luxury segment is the logical thing to do.
Rear console? Don't you know the meaning of OPTIONAL?
If I were getting the '04 I would definitely spring for that option as it makes the car really upscale-looking. Plus some people do not need to carry 3 people in the back. Infact most cars can't carry 3 people COMFORTABLY in the back anyway...
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I drove a 97 SE for 3 yrs and 2K for 3 years and I am glad I am not continuing my tenure with Maximas becuase the new design is a complete failure! Can we say...ran out of ideas when we thought of the new Altima? Think we wouldn't notice?I have just purchased a 03 Murano SL AWD and that is the type of style, class, cutting edge design and brute that I have enjoyed from Nissan the past 6 years. The new Maxima disgraces its heritage. Armrest/console in the rear? Give me a break..trying to incorporate limousine styling? It's a Nissan, not a Maybach.

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

Is this not a forum for opinions? Calm down. Let's think for a minute...near-luxury...that is what an infiniti is for. Nissan and Inifinities are a middle-class man's way to feel like he/she is driving a fine automobile, and they are or else I wouldn't drive one. Heritage: If we were to look at where Maxima's stood in the auto market, they competed in the midsize market and offered more upscale design and equipment with minimal increase in cost. Now, with the Max's hovering around and above $35k, is it truely the type of car one is willing to buy when a far more technologically advanced Audi is just a few dollars more? So, one has to say...wait a minute...this is a NISSAN. Let's deliver a "flagship" with agressive not passive styling. Let's deliver classy, affordable ammenities, but let's not forget our place in the market.

Remember, this is just MY opinion.

[222Max]

So what exactly is your basis for calling it a "complete failure". And what has it failed in except meet with YOUR approval? Interesting.

I keep hearing from all the disenters about what the new Max isn't but I haven't heard one idea about what they think the Max should have been. What SHOULD it have looked like by your definition of a Maxima? If everyone answered that question with some reasonable degree of sense then we'd have two dozen different concepts of the Maxima. Well, Nissan created the car in the first place and they've given us what THEY think the Maxima is.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The Maxima was NEVER a beauty queen. I own a 2001 SE and I didn't buy it soley for it's looks. It's a cool-looking car but it's the total performance, quality, style, package that made me sign on. I had a 96 SE before this and it was the same formula that got me into it.

I haven't driven this new Max yet but I bet it drives better than my 2001 simply by virtue of it having a modern suspension instead of the Neanderthal live-rear axle the Max has now. I think the looks and ideas (Rear buckets? How can that not be a good idea?!, Skyroof) are compelling enough. Parked side-by-side with my 2001 I think it will put my old girl to shame since the 03 Altima SE already does that.

[222Max]

That's making more sense. However the Altima already exceeds 30k when optioned to the hilt. Where else is the flagship going to go?

There may be some overlap into the near luxury segment. But the Maxima has always skimmed that territory. For what I paid for my 01 SE I could have also been shopping the Acura TL, I35 and Lexus ES.

The Maxima's segment is occupied by the Toyota Avalon which can sticker for over 37k. That's certainly Lexus ES territory.

[ALTYZMAX]

The fully loaded Max will be around $35K.. a comparably equipped Audi A6 will be in the 40Ks.
"far more technologically advanced?" Come on, you don't buy that do you?. The only thing the Audi has over the Maxima is the AWD. Yes it's a Nissan but the same Nissan Company makes cars like the G35. Do you think the Audi A4 is "far more technologically advanced" than the G35?
Your point about the pricing is well-taken, in that if it comes up being very close to the 40K mark, then people will probably get another with a "luxury" name plate but that has nothing to do with the merits of the car itself - just brand name.
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Now, with the Max's hovering around and above $35k, is it truely the type of car one is willing to buy when a far more technologically advanced Audi is just a few dollars more? So, one has to say...wait a minute...this is a NISSAN

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[Renesis]

I totally agree with you ALTYMAX. I have been posting the same sort of opinions for about 5 threads. People keep saying its a Nissan, shouldn't be this and that. They don't even understand marketing. Why couldn't the new MAX go more upscale into I35's category and even further. I think the new MAX is a great vechicle despite of its exterior features. Its interior is one of the greatest I have seen.
It won't matter if its a Infiniti or Nissan as long as its a good car. SO wut does Infiniti is the luxury brand of Nissan, doesn't Nissan need a flagship too?? Or should they have the Sentra SE-R as their flagship and move the Altima and Maxima into Infiniti now?? MARKETING!!!!

[Gauis_Caligula]

You all know my feelings on that beast. I'll be quite now before the naysayers attack me, again. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

[Buster]

I wouldn't call it a complete failure, but there are many cars I'd rather buy for a lot less cash.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Name plate? If all that buying a "luxury" car is buying a name plate, than BMW and Mercedes must be the worlds best magicians. Especially BMW because there has not been an automaker in the last 5-7 years to knock the 3 series off its platform.

In terms of "technology"....to discredit Audi and say that it is on even ground as Nissan...come on. It is not a fluk that people are willing to pay 30k for a 1.8 liter car. The "premire" automakers have a deep rooted history in racing. It is the racing circuits that provide technology and innovation into public production vehicles. Those proven automakers are Ferrari, BMW, Mercedes, and Audi. That is not my opinion, that is years of world class racing results.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

What is interesting is that such defense is taken when someone has a different opinion.

[joeB]

Has Audi been on Wards auto list for having one of the
best engines such as the VQ in the last 7 to 8 years?
Reliablity is what counts here, and racing or not, Nissans
are much more reliable than Audis. Most people prolly
buy Mercedes, BMW's cause they want to waste money on
a vehicle so they can have that "name" so they can feel
better than others. Just because they cost a ton more
doesnt mean they are better. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[Vans]

I'm sorry SID but i think the new max is a lot better looking than your ugly 2K model. They don't even compare. You couldn't pay me to take your car. "The new max disgraces it's heritage" Come on, give me a break, you are so dramatic. The new max outshines your 2k max in every way. Do you really think that Nissan listens to someone like you who says that Nissan is "running out of ideas" when it was the most profitable auto company last year and is only going to get better this year. Just because it doesn't have your lovely round taillights right? Yea, sign me up for some of those SID. I would be more than willing to pay close to 30K or more for a new max. You stated your very sharp opinion against the max. ALTYZMAX then states his/her sharp opinion for the new max and you say, "this is a forum of opinions, calm down." Did he not just state his opinion? And I didn't see one exclamation mark in ALTYZMAX's reply to your dramatic "complete failure!" opening post on how Nissan is disgracing the maxima. Why don't you "calm down" and let others post their opinions also.

oh and Remember, this is just MY opinion http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif

[HARDDRIVE]

My 2cents....

I like the '04 Maxima for what it IS, not so much for what its not. Now, I really would have been "overwhelmed" if Nissan had said hey!...We will make the 'All New 2004 Maixma', the "maximum" it can possibly be by making it, AWD w/ 277hp, radically different in terms of style with all its going-to-be current features and innovations(6sp and 5sp AUTO w/ Sprt Shft) reigning down upon all other competitors a most mighty vengence of performance, quality and value from which the likes have never before been seen!!!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

Ooops....did I just nut???? http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/crazy.gif

[Not_Vin_Diesel]

I don't understand this at all. When VW can shove a 270hp Passat down your throats for $38K everyone wants to open wide. When Nissan wants to grow (yes, surprisingly enough, in business, to succeed you cannot always deliver the status quo) and builds a larger, more advanced and feature-full Maxima, everyone wants to cry. "It looks like an Altima." http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif wah! "It looks like an Ion." http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif wah! "It has a buck tooth." http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif wah "It's not AWD." http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif wah! And yet I'm figuring few of you have seen it in person and oh, ZERO of you have driven it. I wonder how some of you judge other things you haven't had a chance to experience yet, like places, foods, or more importantly - people and cultures. You all new it was going to be bigger. Don't cry now. You all new it was going to be based on the Altima. Don't cry now. We found out that when it debuts it won't have AWD but it is possible. Okay, cry a little but get over it, it's a front wheel drive car and you're not traversing the himalayas in it, o.k.?

Let the car grow. "The new Maxima won't be like the old Maxima's." Thank god, because the old Maxima was LOSING. Cult-favorite or not, it was LOSING. It was NOT looked at as having the class of a Passat. It was NOT looked at as having the class of an Avalon. It was NOT looked at as having the class of a TL. Not by my momma and not by your momma either. The Maxima is a car that only fanatics like us really understand, but it took time for us to even get there. Some of us are getting there on the Altima and some more refinement will make that a reality. If you don't want a larger ENTRY-LEVEL LUXURY car -- trade your old Maxi's in for Alti's when the time comes. Otherwise, GET OUT OF THE WAY: the buck-tooth on the new Max has some pavement to chew through!!! Oh, and I'll make sure to toss some tissue for your tears out the window as I'm flying by . . .

[M_TYPE_X]

"Class of an Avalon"

Uhhhh... right.

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[Gauis_Caligula]

New Max . . . entry level luxury car? ROTFL! http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/lachen/lachen014.gif

These are entry level luxury cars:

http://www.lacar.com/images/g35coupesidelrs.jpg

http://www.bigglook.com/biggauto/yenimodeller/images/4infinitib.jpg

http://www.mbegypt.mercedes-benz.com/images/c-class.jpg

http://www.carcostcanada.com/en/images/catos/00%20BMW%203-2.jpg

http://www.velocityphotos.com/images/stk/2002/lx2002es30001.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/media/firstlook/03.cadillac.cts/03.cadillac.cts.f34.500.jpg

http://www.automotive-review.com/lsv8front.jpg

http://www.autointell.com/News-2002/May-2002/May-2002-2/SAAB-9-3-SPORT-SEDAN-125.jpg

http://www.velocityphotos.com/images/stk/2003/jg2003xtype01.jpg

In the USA, Nissan will never equal luxury. That's why Nissan created Infiniti. Now, Nissan needs to pulls its head out and remember that. The Max should be a mainstream sports sedan, not a mini Crown Vic.

[222Max]

"What is interesting is that such defense is taken when someone has a different opinion. "

Uh, What? What defence are you talking about? You start a thread with a sweeping statement such as THE NEW MAXIMA DESIGN IS A COMPLETE FAILURE and then offer not a microscopic shred of elaboration or explanation. It would have been different of you said I HATE THE NEW MAXIMA but you didn't. I simply asked you to back up your statement. Which you also didn't do. Just say you don't like the car. Don't fire off a design judgement without actually going through the trouble of stating your critique.

[bk2kmax]

The Max is a complete failure as much as it is a disappointment. I mean why would Nissan build this car without at least making the V8 an option if it is your Flagship Sedan? At the very least they should've made it an AWD 4.0L V6 pushing at least 280 to the wheels.

By making the Max in its' present state, Nissan has found a way to run potential buyers of this vehicle north and south in the Nissan lineup. In other words buyers will either look at an Altima which is just as big as the Max plus offers the same engine, even though it's down on power but it looks better. They will probably even consider the G35 because of the price of the Max and the fact that you get RWD and the same HP as the Max in again IMO a better looking car and let's not forget with the Infiniti you get a luxury nameplate and better service.

I thought that Nissan would make the Max an AWD and use the CVT tranny plus throw in a slightly detuned V8 from the M45, I thought that that would be fair considering that this is your flagship sedan and you would like to set it as far apart from the Altima as possible.

So the Max isn't a total failure, just a major disappointment. It looks like an Ion, it's got the same power +5hp over last years engine and it looks like it can't make up its' mind on whether or not to be the AltiMax or the AltiMaxIon.

What do you think about this?

[joeB]

Why cant the Maxima be considered entry level luxury?
Most of those pictures of cars that are posted, the Lexus
would be considered the only luxury car. The rest are
sport / luxury cars. Id say the Maxima surpasses most
of the cars you posted anyway. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

[M_TYPE_X]

Maxima versus Benz C-Class "Sports Coupe" (cheapo hatchback which makes the Acura RSX look luxurious)... Maxima's more lux. In fact you didn't put any Acuras in there, but you thought it necessary to put a SAAB 9-3 in there. The new 9-3 is nothing more than a boring GM Mobile now.

I was at the Nissan dealer... 2003 GLE stickers @ $30K w/leather, sunroof, traction control... that's not lux?

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[**DONOTDELETE**]

You are absolutely right. You could not be more right. Reliability is what counts. Screw those pretentious Germans...those boys at Nissan got it so right the past 7-8 years that no one could keep up with them in terms of reliability. Oh wait...you forgot about HONDA AND TOYOTA.

Over and Out.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Hope this doesn't go over your head.....

Do you have a girlfriend or wife VANS? Bet she doesn't look quite like how she did 3 years ago. Hindsight is 20/20, isn't it? 5 bucks says you praised the 2k when it was new. That sure was a great arguement you brought up.

If you had read through this thread correctly, you would see that I no longer drive the "ugly" 2k Max. (Boy, I wonder how many people you just pissed off by saying that) SID is a 03 Silver Murano with all the trimmings, a vehicle that causes more sore necks than the 04 Max ever will. You will probably come up another brilliant statement about how ugly that is too.

So, VANS, if you ever decide to jump on the latest and greatest bandwagon, see you in the Murano forums. Oh yeah, bring those everso intelligent arguements.

Have a nice day.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

aka_VQFANATIC....there are two things I can't stand....people who are intolerant of other peoples culture........and the DUTCH!



(how far over your head has this one gone?)

[fatddyslam69]

V8 in flagship design? Does the TOYOTA AVELON have a V8? How about HONDA? Oh wait, ACURA doesnt even have a V8 in its "flagship." Chrysler? Hm...no V8 in their flagship either (whatever their flagship is) No V8 in HYUNDAI/KIA flagship whatsoever. FORD? no V8 in their TAURUS flagship either (CROWN VIC is too ugly to be flagship.) Even VW/s W8 wont exceed performance of the new MAXIMA, so what is the point? I have seen the MAXIMA in person....i must say, ligitimately, that the design is definately nice. Very elegant, sporty, and at the same time, gives a strong family resemblence. The front tooth everyone is so freakishly freakin out about doesnt even stand out on the car. And the interior on the MAX? One of the best of any car in its class. This is no INFINITI, nor it is a BMW, and that is why it is marketed towards cars like the TL/AVELON, and that type. And that is why the price is marketed the same way ($28-34,000) which is slightly higher than the AVELON's pricing, but for the better overall car. I cant believe that someone can state out that the maxima design was a failure. It was the same way with the last gen design and criticism regarding the rear, but the MAXIMA held its own....did it? or did it not? Am i just bull-$hitting here or are you people listening? Who was to say that the POS ugliest car in the world TOYOTA AVELON was going to be one of TOYOTA's better sellers? Are you going to stand up like a fool, in front of everyone, and say that the AVELON has ever looked better than the maxima? I mean, come on guys....for NISSAN fanatics, you sure dont act like them, whatsoever.....im really not tryin to be rude, and u guys know me enough to know that i let things roll, and im a pretty easy goin guy, but its nerving-racking to here so many complaints on a car that the complainer has not seen/driven/or even touched......LET IT BE! http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

222Max.......I'm so sorry that you were not able to read between the lines. I suggest you re-read. Was it not obvious enough for you that I stated that it looks too much like an Altima? Or maybe that the "limosine" styling falls way short of effective?

To satisfy your need for simple explanations....how about this:

Significant price increase for:
1. Unnoticable horsepower increase.
2. No AWD
3. Cheap interior plastic
4. Cluttered upper center console with small buttons
5. Barren lower center console
6. E-brake in the way
7. Sky-roof? Boy, I remember all those times i was sitting in the back of a car saying to others "I wish I was able to look up at that airplane that just flew by"
8. Sky-roof again...as far as I have read, it does not open. When was the last time you chose a moon roof over a sun roof?

Hope this clears things up. Please read my other recent posts here...maybe we'll chat elsewere. But no cheating. Oh wait, you were probably not able to read between those lines either so, go buy a Murano and we'll chat then.

[M_TYPE_X]

It's Avalon, not Avelon. Ford certainly considers the Crown Victoria to be their flagship. Chrysler's flagship is the 300M. Nissan fanatics don't have to get all excited about the new fugly flagship with the flimsy-feeling trunk and the high price tag.

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[fatddyslam69]

sky roof dude.....is much better than a normal ole conventional roof. It is standard on all f*ckin MAXIMA's...why are you complaining? Your conventional roof does not open eithere.....but it sure does make some feel clastraphobic. You have sunshades if you dont like it. Another thing: interior plastics? Have you sat in the car? http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif .....WOW, u are totally justified to your own opinion, but they seem so .........WIERD...... http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

mytypex: i dont say this a lot of people, but ur a freakin jerk dude. Ur replies are not necessary if that is the attitude ur going to have man. What did i do to make u so upset? Take a freakin midol bro.....stop PMS-ing http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif. Sorry i didnt know what TOYOTA's POS flagship name was spelled like. And i know FORD considers the CROWN VIC as their flagship, but i think theyre the only ones that consider that. And does the 300M come with V8? Didnt think so dude.... http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/mad.gif

BTW: whats the deal with the trunk? At least MAXIMA, unlike HONDA ACCORD&lt; or most american cars puts cloth lining on the freakin trunk. I was shocked when i saw that the HONDA ACCORD EX, of all models, had no lining on the trunk....that was a shocker. As for flimsy.....who cares about the trunk. U gonna be sitting there playin with ur trunk the whole day? What if u have something heavy that u need to put in the trunk....im sure u would want it to weigh a ton then, dont u.... http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[CoCo_PuFf]

dude. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif ...for a newbie you sure are loud.......go see the car in person, and stop complaining , cause you have no valid arguement. you're just drawing attention to yourself......here's a link that I think you'll like http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif .......... FOLLOW THIS LINK!!!! (http://www.vtec.net)

[Vans]

Now whos the one who should calm down???? Gettting a little testy are we when people oppose your opinion. And no i actually didn't think the 2k max was good looking when it came out SID. The simple fact is SID that the new max is superior in every way to the old max. Sure you may not like the new styliing but its not like anyone is jumping for joy over your old 2k max either( and i apologize for thinking you still own it, i should have paid more attention becuase that totally matters). Lets face it, they both have ugly [censored] (butts). Everything besides that is superior in the new car. Suspension, engine, materials, handling - everything. No, the new max is not a complete failure and it's sales figure will show you are wrong SID. And, I actually love the new murano. I jumped on the bandwagon about 2 months ago and I think it looks great. In fact I think that all the new Nissan's look great because they all have SIMILAR styling - keeping it in the family.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Back to the original topic:

The Maxima design IMO is bad..... but not so bad I'd call it a complete failure. The fact that some people on the board still likes how it looks means it's not 'completely' hopeless. I actually like the design of the rear end on the new Max, but the front end is majorly screwed up. (nothing they can't fix though, new headlights, new grill and a new bumper will make a hell of difference. Side profile looks uncunningly Ion like. (honestly, I think the Ion looks better than the new Max)

I still say G35 &gt; Maxima all the way. The Max might have more gizmos, but the Infiniti is the better overall package and much better value.

It still amazes me that Nissan can hit homerun with designs like the Altima, 350Z, G35C, Murano, FX45, and then come up with something like the Maxima..... I was horribly shocked when I saw the Max for the first time. Really looks like they took a Altima, fixed it up and add a couple hundred pounds.

[Umi_R98]

You can point uR fingers to NNA about the Maxima's styling.
Personally the Maxima didn't make stunning sales the 1st years of every redesign, But it always did impress people on what you got when you bought one. If you look at the Teana you'll findout that Nissan hasn't pulled a complete oddity. One look at Teana will send you, damning NNA for goofing around with the design too much. But its all good, us Americans like having bigger trunks.

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I like the '04 Maxima for what it IS, not so much for what its not. Now, I really would have been "overwhelmed" if Nissan had said hey!...We will make the 'All New 2004 Maixma', the "maximum" it can possibly be by making it, AWD w/ 277hp, radically different in terms of style with all its going-to-be current features and innovations(6sp and 5sp AUTO w/ Sprt Shft) reigning down upon all other competitors a most mighty vengence of performance, quality and value from which the likes have never before been seen!!!!!


[/QUOTE]
Kill the competetion in 1 year and have them curse you for doing it 1st. Gotta love that! And to piss them off further, add +5-10hp every year after that, we know the VQ can handle it. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

V8 or not, If ANY V6 engine has more power and costs less, your in trouble. Hypothetically if a 4 cylinder is able to even remotely compete with a V8, time to bail cuz uR on a sinking ship.

IMO(yes I have one hehe)Maxima could use a facelift when compared to Teana. 96-99 Maxima was my favorite years, but you dunt really buy a Maxima based solely on its looks. You buy its cuz its a good alternative to the competition, and it totally blows away its competition on the performace department. That's why I like the Maxima. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

Next Topic: People who talk too much ish and can't back their azz up. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif

[CoCo_PuFf]

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif ........whoa dude!!!.......you should click reply on the right person's post. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif ....for a second there I thought you were talking to me http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ........and I'm sitting here thinking "what did I do http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif ".....lol http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[222Max]

Oh, Ok. I was supposed to "read between he lines" and use my Jedi powers to discern not what you wrote but what you didn't write. Oh, ya shoulda said that at the outset. Silly me.

Thanks for spelling it out to me. Points well taken... but still all matters of taste. Most of what you call reasons for criticisim are things I actually like about the car, although I hope the interior is not full of cheap plastics. I'll see for myself this Wednseday at the Auto Show.

More hp? I think Nissan has reached the outer limits of power for a FWD sedan. The Altima is already a torque steer beast. The best solution would have been to go AWD. No wait! That would have pushed the price even higher and given you an option on a Maxima that even the G35 doesn't offer. Shoot, you just can't get what you want anymore.

[CoCo_PuFf]

yeah bro....like Fatddy said, what's your beef with the skyview roof? this is one of the most inovative features on any sedan out there, and it will surely help the Max to sell cause it's not an option. if you would prefer to have a regular roof and not the skyview then go buy an Avalon http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif .......cause hey! if Nissan is throwing a glass roof in as standard equipment, what's there to complain about......if you want it to open then get the OPTIONAL( http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif ) sunroof.

[Vans]

sorry coco - i lub you http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif 5 stars for coco

[CoCo_PuFf]

uhhhhh.... http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif ......GROUP HUG!!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif lol..........


ur cool man http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

[ALTYZMAX]

I know , man. Isn't it amazing? "The new Maxima is going to be a failure because it has a standard moonroof and optional rear bucket seats" wooa!! If the same things had been offered on one of the "luxury" brands people would be talking about how cool and innovative the car was.

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yeah bro....like Fatddy said, what's your beef with the skyview roof? this is one of the most inovative features on any sedan out there, and it will surely help the Max to sell cause it's not an option. if you would prefer to have a regular roof and not the skyview then go buy an Avalon .......cause hey! if Nissan is throwing a glass roof in as standard equipment, what's there to complain about......if you want it to open then get the OPTIONAL( ) sunroof.

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[CoCo_PuFf]

LOL http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ........gotta love that sarcasm. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

[joeB]

Your right, Audi and BMW makes the best vehicles ever.
Should of been better, but my dads 93 BMW 7 series was
falling apart every day, thats why he went to Nissan.
Also, the 90 or 91 3 series he bought new, high priced
car, but felt like a Toyota Tercel back then. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

[bk2kmax]

My post should've read "isn't" instead of "is" in the first sentence of my post, I was replying to the topic of the thread.

I agree with you that the Max does surpass most of the cars I posted. I wasn't dissin the Max, all I was saying is look at most car companies that really compares to the Max in terms of their Flagship Sedan, not the cars that are the one's you'd normally compare to a Max (Avalon, Accord, Camry) rather like Mercedes, BMW etc. Those automaker's flagship sedans (even though their more expensive)do carry V8's. This is why I brought up the Flagship sedan issue. I know if Nissan did this too that the Max would jump way high in price.

It just seemed to me that to me that if you classify something as your flagship that you would try to at least seperate the size of the engine or at least it's output substantially more than the gap between the Max and the Altima, just look at Infinit for example.

Infiniti has the Q as it's flagship sedan and the next car close to that is significantly smaller and with less power.

Don't get me wrong the Max will still be the benchmark as far as bang for the buck is concerned. I guess I was expecting a lil more from the Max in terms of separating it's flagship from it's midsized sedan the Altima.

[bk2kmax]

It's funny how people start to go against something that was faithful to them when they owned it, now all of a sudden it's an ugly 2k, not when you drove it though.

I bet you didn't complain it was ugly when it took you back and forth to work or wherever you drove in it.

Now all of a sudden you're too good for the car and the car is no longer good enough for you, on top of that you wouldn't take one if somebody gave it to you.

You are a classic hypocrite. Nissan guys hating on Nissan guys, everyone here needs to stop flaming, a car is nothing but a machine, in the end when your @$$ dies you can't ride it in to heaven or hell where most of you will be going if you don't quit all of this hatin'.

Grow up people a machine is just a tool used to help make your life a lil more convenient. What you drive is based on what you can afford (in most cases) or what you prefer.

If you prefer a Murano, then buy a Murano (I happen to think it's the best SUV on the market), so you see preferences and choice is what it all boils down to, hatin has no place in intelligent discussion.

Drive what you like and don't hate on others because they don't drive the same thing you have.

[Umi_R98]

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Infiniti has the Q as it's flagship sedan and the next car close to that is significantly smaller and with less power.

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Actually next in line is the M45. She weighs a bit less, has about the same dimensions, and has a bodystyle that grows with you if you look long enough, and pulls the same powerplant as the Q45. I think the Q45 is due for a big power increase next year hehe.

[FanaticZ]

i find it hilarious that someone who is bashing the 04 maxima has a murano and lists it as their type of style.

pot kettle black
http://www.nissannews.com/multimedia/nissan2003/murano/800px/122003nissanmurano.jpg
infiniti is supposed to be a luxury car company, not a near luxury car..seems like some people overhyped the car in their minds, v8? awd? priced less than an altima? a better sports sedan than the m5? while you're at it you might as well cancel the g35. and if you have 30k to burn and want so much more why wouldn't you be buying a g35?

[jaak]

Hey, Nice lookin' wheels there! Think I'll ditch my Maxima and get one of those Muranos!

[NissT]

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Has Audi been on Wards auto list for having one of the best engines such as the VQ in the last 7 to 8 years?

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Here is what Audi and VW (same as Audi) have

web page (http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/categories.html)

[NissT]

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whats the deal with the trunk? At least MAXIMA, unlike HONDA ACCORD&lt; or most american cars puts cloth lining on the freakin trunk. I was shocked when i saw that the HONDA ACCORD EX, of all models, had no lining on the trunk....that was a shocker. As for flimsy.....who cares about the trunk. U gonna be sitting there playin with ur trunk the whole day?

[/QUOTE]

So why do you need cloth lining in the trunk if you not "gonna be sitting there playin with ur trunk the whole day"?

[fatddyslam69]

i didnt say i would. I said that at least the MAXIMA has the lining, where as the ACCORD does not......that is more important than how heavy the trunk is....

[NissT]

I (and I think 99% of other people) don't care if there IS or there ISN'T lining on the trunk lid. It's still a trunk, noting more, nothing less. In fact, if this little thing will keep the price down a little bit (say $100), I am all for it. No need for unnecessary stuff.

[M_TYPE_X]

Let's go cost-cutting... hey, the Taurus is cheaper though... maybe you should buy that instead!

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif M Type X http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[CoCo_PuFf]

your arguement is pointless http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif .......why the hell are you yapping on and on about trunk lining......this thread is getting pointless............hey NissT.....newbie....here's a link that i think you'll like..... FOLLOW THIS LINK!!!!!!!! (http://www.vtec.net) http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif .....you can thank me later http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

[mat_silver]

Hehehe...I had a Corolla back in the 80s that even had lining in the trunk lid.

[OpenWheelRacing]

At least the new maxima has abandoned the rear beam setup. A real independant suspension. More weight for the VQ35 could possibly reduce torque steer that everyone auto magzine dreads. I thgout for sure the Maxima would get a V8 in stead of V6. This is so stupid considering all the competition against just about every other product in the Nissan lineup.


Coco: What an immature Honda hater you are. Talk about pointless posts. Read your own.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

jeeezzz you guys, this thread IS getting dumb....you gotta read these threads right...or start repling to the correct person....bk2kmax, it was not SID who said the 2K was ugly, he was repling to VANS, i quote..."I'm sorry SID but i think the new max is a lot better looking than your ugly 2K model. They don't even compare. You couldn't pay me to take your car."....SID said he drove a Max for 6 years...and now choses to drive a Murano....it is all about choice....just because someone does not "like" the new Max does not make them a Nissan hater.....

[CoCo_PuFf]

http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif oh no i'm a honda hater..... http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif ......I guess that's why I drive one http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif ............if you don't like my posts and don't have a sense of humour then don't read them. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif ............maybe you should FOLLOW THIS LINK!!!!! (http://www.bored.com) ......... http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/tongue.gif

[OpenWheelRacing]

Here you go. Have fun. (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/)

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Complete failure? I don thin so. And yes, skiing is better than sex. Hey Faddy, put the pen to paper, pal (actually
fingers to keys) good retort. I need to know two things;
1 - Can anyone figure out the Murano commercials? 2 -
HOW ARE ALL OF THESE USERS GETTING FIVE STAR RATINGS? I AM ACTUALLY LOSING RATINGS, ARE OTHERS TAKING MINE AWAY?

Ooops, maybe I am not supposed to dig for ratings. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif

[CoCo_PuFf]

LOL http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ......that's more like it.......dude you need to loosen up http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif .......this is the internet not a board meeting, we're here to have fun.

[fatddyslam69]

pen to paper........WHAT ARE U SAYING? hehehe.....u are losing stars? i used to have three, and now i have two and its been like this forever......NO ONE CARES ABOUT POOR FATDDY http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/frown.gif .........ahahaha......whatever... http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[Gauis_Caligula]

This thread has drastically deteriorated. Stop the madness.

[Not_Vin_Diesel]

I had to post because it was a rare chance for me to follow mogulover and actually agree with him, albeit on something not really related to cars: this post is deteriorating! Back to the business: Flagship - Smagship, who the bungaloo gives a curmudgeon about whether a car is representing "flagship status" or not? What, so you can spread grey poupon on your ritz's at tea parties and tell people (insert overly done British droll here) "I drive Nissan's flagship sedan." Oh you do? Let me dirty my knees so I may cup royalty's crown jewels . . . Whatever, make the Sentra the flippin' flagship for all the recognition the "status" gives you. Being the flagship holds about as much status to me as a girl who tells me she's a "Vanderbilt." Like I'm supposed to respect you more for that? Uh, no. I want horsepower, a solid suspension, a radio that doesn't beg for aftermarket help, and a design that makes people go, "that must be new!" Oh yeah, and conveniently placed cupholder's for my Venti Mocha Latte Carmel Whip Cream Sprinkle Frappuchillerowski. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/wink.gif psyche.

[Gauis_Caligula]

So, in other words, you DON'T want a new Maxima. http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif

[fatddyslam69]

ahaha.....so funny......NOT!


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[bk2kmax]

You're right I made a mistake and posted it to the wrong person but I wasn't trying to pick anyone in general the reply was to all (generally) specifically it was to the person who had the 2k and then it became a flaming war.

I apologize to SID for picking his name out of the post.

[Not_Vin_Diesel]

Well, it was great while it lasted mogulover! The new Max has all that stuff and I actually give two bumbaclots where the cupholders are as long as they hold 44 oz. drinks. The independent suspension is a step up, the horsepower is better and Bose and Maxima's go hand in hand. Yes, it's actually distinguishible in a crowd, too. Buck tooth and all!

[NissT]

Very funny newbie

[CoCo_PuFf]

come on be a good sport http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif .........I'm just playing with you man. .........gotta admit, that was pretty funny though http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif ......

[NissT]

I thought you were discriminating http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smile.gif

[CoCo_PuFf]

Nah!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif ......i'm just dumb like that, cause it amuses me (i know , i don't have a life http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif )........but it's all in good fun...........so don't take it too personal..k http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/cool.gif

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I agree with ALTYZMAX. Have you ever seen a 4 seat Maxima?
This car is going to be special. With the center console
and the rear window shade, skyview roof and all the power upgrades it's getting, it is definately going to be even more the flagship of nissan. You mentioned Infiniti. They don't have a front wheel drive sedan anymore. The I35 is going away, so it makes sense to bring the Max up a notch to offer people a front wheel drive version without sacrificing the luxury that there looking for.And incase you haven't noticed, all manufactures share one or two platforms among different models. I'm glad they have made the Max the same body as the altima, it's going to separate the men from the boys. It needed to grow because people who could not fit into the Max, most baught a Altima because of size.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Those damned EVIL Dutch! They obviusly had a hand in this Maxima Monstrosity. Sorry whiners, when Nissan starts taking stylng cues from puke-mobiles like Saturn they need to get 'driven'. And NO, I haven't seen one in person, just the photos... so for those of you who are compulsively detail oriented- the photos of the 2004 make it look like lame-O! Hopefully, the real thing is better looking. (A LOT better looking....)

I love my 2002, but the best looking Max I had was the black '97 SE.

http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[M_TYPE_X]

It doesn't look that much better in person.

[Donatolla]

Quite the interesting thread that y'all have going.

I'm suprised that nobody's concluded a post with "yeah, well my Dad can beat up your Dad."

Anyway, I find the failure to realize the product placement strategies at work here interesting.

Infiniti is Nissan's luxury brand. Why should it be a surprise that the *entry* level Luxury brand is available for just a little bit more than the *flagship* standard brand? You have to give an obtainable path for your consumers to upgrade.

Chances are that the Max will not cannibalize G35 sales too much. If anything, the Max may help to increase sales on a product with a higher markup (not known for sure, just going on assumption that high profile brands have higher markups due to increased value in the high profile brand itself). I'm sure this is something that the smart kids at Nissan have done on purpose.

On a personal perspective, I wouldn't buy an G35 simply becuase it would get broken into every time I left it alone in my neighboorhood. Insurance costs would be higher cause I would have to constantly replace the Infiniti logo on the damn thing. Wouldn't have a problem with the Max. And I'd have just as much fun driving it.

Believe it or not, there are practical reasons to not choose the luxo brand. In those situations, its nice that the manufacturer offers a non-luxo brand alternative that is a pretty decent choice in its own right.

~ciao.


It's funny how people start to go against something that was faithful to them when they owned it, now all of a sudden it's an ugly 2k, not when you drove it though.
[deletia]
Drive what you like and don't hate on others because they don't drive the same thing you have.