TSX competitors (???) [Archive] - FreshAlloy.com Forums

222Max

03-06-2003, 12:30 PM

"Acura says competition for the TSX will come from “premium sports sedans from Europe and Japan,” namely the Lexus IS 300, BMW 325, Mercedes C-Class, Audi A4, Volvo S40, WV Jetta and Passat, and the Nissan Altima. Altima and Jetta, sure, the TSX will give those a run for their lease agreements. But Acura’s been smoking crankcase oil if it thinks a front-driver, even one as well-engineered as this one, will compete against 325s and IS 300s; it won’t. Not in performance. In price, sure. Prices will be announced closer to the TSX’s April launch, but will be somewhere between $25,000 and $30,000. If you forgo the voice-activated navigation system and the automatic transmission, you can probably come in on the lower end of that range and have a mighty fun car.

You must do it. It’s your duty as a car enthusiast. Acura’s goal is only 15,000 TSXs a year."

That's from AUTOWEEK's review of the Acura TSX. They lost me at Jetta and Altima.

M_TYPE_X

03-06-2003, 12:35 PM

The Jetta can be loaded to unreal price levels. It's the entry-level yuppie car. TSX follows in where the G20 exited, at a higher price and performance level.

OpenWheelRacing

03-06-2003, 01:31 PM

except G20 lacked the sporty image.

CoCo_PuFf

03-06-2003, 02:41 PM

true....Infiniti should slightly increase the G35's price, and then make a G25 at the TSX's price level, sometime in the future (when they're making enough profit)

M_TYPE_X

03-06-2003, 03:13 PM

Infiniti tried to market the G20 as sporty. I think you're just dissing the car. You probably think Integras are "fancy Civics" too.

Interest on the G35 boards seems to be more in a G45, not a G25. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

**DONOTDELETE**

03-06-2003, 06:47 PM

The TSX is doomed to the same fate suffered by the G20. There just isn't a market for a luxury four-banger from Japan.

**DONOTDELETE**

03-06-2003, 06:51 PM

Nissan_Admirer

03-06-2003, 09:18 PM

Actually the old Integras were based off the old Civics. So in that sense the Integras were fancied up Civics.

Nissan_Admirer

03-06-2003, 09:32 PM

The dealers here have already started taking deposits and they're saying the base price is around $35 000 CAD. I don't know if it's worth $2500 more than a comparable Accord EX V6. Only time will tell if they can sell all 4000 copies. With respect to the EL, they range from $22 000 all the way up to about $25 000. A $22-25k Acura (albeit a rebadged Civic) is more affordable than a $35k+ Acura. That's why ELs are ubiquitous up here.

OpenWheelRacing

03-06-2003, 10:07 PM

actually they plan to sell only 15,000 units for the first year. quite limited if you ask me. each dealer will be limited to a few tsx only. it will definitely be hot selling whether you like the car or not. the only problem is: final msrp and unreasonable dealer markup.

btw, i predict that the auto 5 speed and manual will be the same price just like cl-s. only option will be $2,000 navi. that would push the base price as high as $28,000. even though tsx is loaded, i hope it doesn't go beyond $27,000 cause my family is waiting for 04 tl-s.

camber

03-07-2003, 12:31 AM

i find it hard to beleive the TSX will be in the $25-$30 k range in the states when its starting price in canada is a little over $33k. I think it will be a sucess.....for you canadians out there, just look at the EL. Who woulda thought a civic with leather would be succesfull, but acura has sold a ton of those.

Arg.. Why are you telling the Merican's that we can get imported Lux cars cheaper in Canada? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Oh well....

It pretty common place to see this kind of pricing.

The G35 in Canada starts at around 39K while in the states it starts at around 31K(for leather we can 't get the cloth model in Canada).

I don't know what people are thinking when they buy the EL . There are so many better cars in that price range(22-27K cdn). Oh well, I guess people like the brand name associated with it.

Bern

03-07-2003, 01:16 AM

The biggest competition to the TSX in my opinion is the new Mazda 6 which look even sleeker.

I don't have a family so don't care if the Honda Accord is bigger. The TSX is sportier and suits me better.

squid

03-07-2003, 08:33 AM

[QUOTE]
actually they plan to sell only 15,000 units for the first year. quite limited if you ask me. each dealer will be limited to a few tsx only. it will definitely be hot selling whether you like the car or not. the only problem is: final msrp and unreasonable dealer markup.
Are there quite a few Acura dealers with a penchant to put additional markup on their cars? The dealer here has a policy against it(additional markup). That's too bad, because it's not the kind of car I'd think of people going ga-ga over. I doubt there'll be much success with the whole markup thing.

Infiniti6MT

03-07-2003, 08:47 AM

The G35 in Canada starts at around 39K while in the states it starts at around 31K(for leather we can 't get the cloth model in Canada).

Have anyone really compared the US vs. Canadian prices of similarly equipped models. With the exchange rate increasing from 0.63 to 0.68 in the past few months, and with our GST and luxury taxes, I am not sure we will be paying less, if at all in Canada now.

GroovinGTR

03-07-2003, 12:24 PM

Wow, that is a hard price to swallow for a vehicle harked as the 4-door Integra replacement. Anybody interested in a good Honda bashing review should head of to Caranddriver. They said it was an "utter failure at being a BMW." They went on and said it wasn't a bad car, provided a different and unique feeling, but never should be targeted at the 3-series.

I honestly don't get the pricing here. Why buy a loaded TSX when you could get a TL Type-S? I am assuming that reports of a big price increase for the next-generation TL are true now.

CoCo_PuFf

03-07-2003, 01:06 PM

my point exactly......what makes a TSX any differnt than a Prelude except for a Navi, and a startrek badge.....it's still over priced and underpowered..........I thought the car was going to be light but I guess that didn't happen.

camber

03-07-2003, 02:01 PM

Have anyone really compared the US vs. Canadian prices of similarly equipped models. With the exchange rate increasing from 0.63 to 0.68 in the past few months, and with our GST and luxury taxes, I am not sure we will be paying less, if at all in Canada now.

Yep people have done the calculations. Many people have been exporting cars to the states.

You can save a few thousand on new models but the biggest difference can be found in used cars. That is why many car companies will not honour warranties on certain models of cars in the US(to stop flow of "grey" market cars....).

M_TYPE_X

03-08-2003, 12:11 AM

Integra/RSX has and is based off of the Civic platform (previous and current platforms). And your point would be what now, exactly?

The TSX is aimed at the people looking for an upscale experience, near-luxury sedan type buyers. If you buy a 3-Series wanting to put "///M3" badges all over it, then you're not in the target market segment for this new Acura sedan. People buying the TSX will care not much about the fact it's FWD.

Nissan_Admirer

03-09-2003, 09:13 PM

Read the second sentence. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

limits_at_infiniti

03-10-2003, 07:55 AM

Looks like Acura's aim is to place a car where it doesn't belong. An upscale luxury 4 banger in the price of a v6 accord, and not to far off from a 1.8T A4, Maxima, or G35.

Sort of like the G35, offer 3 series perfomance at 325i prices.

Well the TSX offers 1.8T perfomance at below audi prices.

So to those who don't care its a FWD, probably don't care that it is a 4 banger at close to v6 prices. Its fair to say, those people are more into the name, look and options.

Kind of like a 318, why did anyone want it if not for the name and options of a BMW ?

SHIFT_6speeds

03-11-2003, 09:14 PM

The TSX is doomed to the same fate suffered by the G20. There just isn't a market for a luxury four-banger from Japan.

With the new gas price hikes (and threat of prices getting worse), Acura may have a small goldmine in the sales of this sporty, yet economical luxury sedan.

After reading the new Car and Driver preview test, and that it reminds them of the Gen 3 Maxima, I have become very interested in this car.

I feel every luxury brand should offer at least one 4cyl luxury vehicle.

OpenWheelRacing

03-11-2003, 09:19 PM

Nissan_Admirer

03-11-2003, 11:35 PM

EPA ratings for the manual is 21/29 and 22/31 for the automatic. And the TSX uses premium fuel. How are those going to make the TSX economical? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

OpenWheelRacing

03-12-2003, 12:04 AM

22/31 is pretty good for a 200 horsepowered 4 banger with automatic. Consider Altima gets 23/29 but gives up 25 horses. Don't compare TSX to Civic Hybrid. About the 6 speed: I already stated in my previous post.

s15dude

03-12-2003, 01:55 AM

You have to remember, that even tho it isnt badged as one, the TSX is the only car that is a type-r everywhere else in the world that we get in the States right now. I also heard that since it is a 2.4 liter motor, that gives them room to get more power for a type-s version later this fall, still speculation, but would be cool! But yeah it is the accord euro type-r everywhere else in the world. I like its small size compared to the G35 and my J30. Sometimes I just miss my lil ole teg.

Afty

03-12-2003, 08:54 AM

The TSX is doomed to the same fate suffered by the G20. There just isn't a market for a luxury four-banger from Japan.

I disagree. The main complaint against the G20 was that it was underpowered with only 140 hp. The TSX has 200 hp, even though it is a 4-cylinder. I think it will do OK. They're only trying to sell 15,000 units a year; that's about how many Altimas Nissan sells in one month!

FanaticZ

03-12-2003, 01:11 PM

the accord typeR uses a 2.0l with 220hp. i'm interested to see what the next rsx is going to looke like, a 2 door tsx with the same 2.4l engine?

GroovinGTR

03-12-2003, 02:28 PM

15,000 a year - Acura is really thinking big huh http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

6speeder

03-12-2003, 02:59 PM

15,000 a year - Acura is really thinking big huh http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Not big, but realistically.

M_TYPE_X

03-12-2003, 03:29 PM

If Acura knocks out the CL from the lineup, they may choose to push the RSX uptown more... http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Honda-Acura doesn't mind keeping supply low... if demand is more than 15,000/year, then they'll be quite pleased, as normal for their non-Accord/Civic products (low supply, high demand).

SHIFT_6speeds

03-12-2003, 07:08 PM

With the new gas price hikes (and threat of prices getting worse), Acura may have a small goldmine in the sales of this sporty, yet economical luxury sedan.

Actually according to the EPA ratings, the 6 speed manula gets worse mileage than the 5 speed automatic. It shows that the 6 speed is geared quite aggressively. Check out the ratios. I will look for surprising performance from manual TSX. One would think the opposite, this is very un-Honda like.

I was unaware of the actual EPA ratings. This car is then not very economical. Being Honda and a 4cyl, I just imagined it would be rather economical also, so, http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gifI stand corrected.

Nissan_Admirer

03-13-2003, 12:58 PM

I'm surprise that the TSX being a 4 banger didn't get better gas mileage. Sure the Altima may give up 25hp but it has 14 more lbs.ft. of trq. More oomph at the lower end of the rev range. But that's not the point. The point is the TSX's sister car the NA Accord makes 240hp and 212lbs.ft trq and gets 21/30 on regular gas. Makes you kinda wonder if the Accord is more fuel efficient or that the TSX is more fuel inefficient. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

M_TYPE_X

03-13-2003, 01:34 PM

It don't really matter, cuz de GAS STATION is on de way to de SUPERMARKET ... http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tongue.gif "pick any Honduh grocery getter"

[comment made by a BMW 3-Series owner upon hearing of the TSX]