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Buster
03-07-2003, 07:25 PM
I just fanned through the 2003 Consumer Reports car issue and noticed that all Mercedes models have been rated either below or far below average in reliability. Not one model earned a recommendation check mark. The C, M, and S class all earned the full black dot! Yikes! Are the other German manufacturers taking lessons from VW on how to lure customers with sexy cars that will suck wallets dry once off warranty as they're dumped on one unsuspecting sucker after another?

After the shocking revelation about MB, I looked at BMW to see how they stacked up. The only car that earned a recommendation was the 5-Series. It has only average reliability. The 3-Series was below average and the X5 was far below average. The Z3 is OK, but its body integrity sucks. The 7 series seems to be acceptable despite insufficient data.

Not one Audi was recommended and the Passat was the only VW that made the grade, but with only average reliability. However, it's road manners pale in comparison to the new Accord -- which is expected to be much more reliable than the Passat. The Accord may not be as pretty, but it's a bargain in comparison -- a much wiser choice.

The Porsche Boxster earns a recommendation for above average reliability. It's the only German car with above average marks. However, I'd choose the 350Z or a Miata and save a bundle.

It's a sad sight to see even the lowly Hyundai outshine Mercedes and BMW in the reliability and recommendation department, but that's the way it is these days if you trust the data people send in to Consumer Reports. It's been my Bible for over 20 years and I've have owned three great Japanese cars on its recommended list since dumping my so-so 1982 VW GTI before the tranny failed. I had to replace the shocks and steering rack long before they should have needed it, but it was still a fun car. VW's quality took a turn for the worse in later years. Thankfully, I developed a taste for reliable Hondas and Nissans.

Another surprise is Jaguar. The newest models have been $#!tboxes according to CR -- not that I expected Jaguar to finally build a reliable car. Not my cup of tea even if they could!

I'll probably always own Japanese cars. The top 3 are Toyota, Honda, and Nissan. Mazda and Subaru are honorable mentions.

I've always liked BMW 3's, but after reading the latest CR issue, there's no way I'd ever consider one -- especially at that inflated price. I can live with a very reliable Japanese car that handles almost as well at a bargain price. I rather enjoy the unfamiliarity with the dealer's service department. I sometimes forget the location of the nearest dealership and it's not because I'm becoming a senile old fart!

M_TYPE_X
03-08-2003, 12:08 AM
I thought it WAS because you were "becoming a senile old fart"... http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Look, Acura/Infiniti/Lexus (not in that order) are the most reliable luxury automobiles on the market. The pricing is generally less insane and they have carried all sorts of luxury and sport car type products over the past decade-and-a-half. Benz/Bimmer/Audi types don't know what they're missing! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Not_Vin_Diesel
03-08-2003, 10:24 AM
German engineered cars have been finicky for as long as I can remember. It's always enough of the small stuff that makes the owner's complain. My old dealership (MB, Audi, VW, Infiniti, Nissan, Honda) saw more SLK's in for convert. top issues than I care to count. The S430 is a piece of crap, and we used to joke about the fact that MB, Audi and VW each had their own floor for service, while Nissan, Infiniti and Honda all shared one floor! The Japanese have always undercut the German engineering with reliability. I'll give up a little skimping on the dash plastic for a car that won't break in 10 years any day.

Buster
03-08-2003, 07:26 PM
When I mention Honda, Toyota, and Nissan, I'm including the luxury models. There's no way I'd choose a BMW 540i over a Lexus GS430, for example. Is the BMW 3 a smarter buy than a G35? If you believe paying almost 40 grand for a car with worse than average reliability is smart, buy the Bimmer.

Should the parts of an expensive luxury car be engineered to last well over 100k miles? Of course! You should get what you paid for, shouldn't you? We should all boycott any manufacturer that insists on using cheap parts in expensive cars.

FanaticZ
03-08-2003, 07:50 PM
i guess it depends on cash flow and how practical a person is, where their priorities are. if i had some bucks i wouldn't think twice about reliability of bmw or mercedes. i'm losing my tatse for lexus, company is lacking excitement in their vehicles.