What would you tell the top exec's at Nissan if they were reading here right now?

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I dont know about the rest of you, but sometimes I wonder if anyone over at Nissan's headquarters actually gets to see all the postings here. I mean come on!!! What could be more valuable than real information from real people?? I really hope somebody over there takes the time to listen to the feed back we provide.

If I could have 1 minute with a Nissan's president of North American operations, I'd tell him what a crappy job he's been doing with Nissan lately. I'd also tell him how un-impressed I was with the upcoming Q45, and how un-impressed I am with the current Sentra and Maxima redesigns. As big of improvements as they are they still (especially the Sentra) need some fine tuning. Have you all seen the Sentra over in Taiwan?? Aside from the grille it looks incredible!!! http://www.nissan.com.tw/ Much nicer looking than what we got here. HEY NISSAN??? ARE YOU LISTENING???

[GTR]

that sentra looks like a mini cefiro/ i30!

[2HD]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
I dont know about the rest of you, but sometimes I wonder if anyone over at Nissan's headquarters actually gets to see all the postings here. I mean come on!!! What could be more valuable than real information from real people?? I really hope somebody over there takes the time to listen to the feed back we provide.

If I could have 1 minute with a Nissan's president of North American operations, I'd tell him what a crappy job he's been doing with Nissan lately. I'd also tell him how un-impressed I was with the upcoming Q45, and how un-impressed I am with the current Sentra and Maxima redesigns. As big of improvements as they are they still (especially the Sentra) need some fine tuning. Have you all seen the Sentra over in Taiwan?? Aside from the grille it looks incredible!!! http://www.nissan.com.tw/ Much nicer looking than what we got here. HEY NISSAN??? ARE YOU LISTENING??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was thinking the samething too. How valuable all are postings would be to Nissan.

One of the moderators told me that they would setup a system where Nissan could actually here us out. But that was a while back.

Hey, do you ever wonder if Freshalloy is really setup by Nissan to get information from the consumer about what they think of the company and how they can improve it. What a brilliant plan that would be http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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You know I have often thought the same thing, what if Nissan really is who is behind all this??? How novel!!! I sure hope they're listening! QUIT MAKING THE OBNOXIOUSLY ROUDY CARS!!

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I meant obnoxiously roundy cars! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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they should setup NDI as their truck designers, and Nissan design in Japan should design nissan cars worldwide. NDI seems to be good at designing trucks(Xterra, facelifted Frontier). Nissan Japan lacks in the truck design area (pre-99 Pathfinder, current Frontier). But Nissan Japan designs good looking cars such as the S15 Silvia, new Sunny, Cefiro, Z32 300ZX

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I agree, something needs to be done, and quick. Even Cadillacs are starting to step up their program a bit and they're not looking half bad. Aside from the Catera I think the new Caddy's and the ones to be rumors of what's coming seem rather attractive.
http://www.cadillac.com/news/images/motor_galpop_05.jpg

[Slack00]

Don't you get it? Nissan's not selling the cars to us, its selling them to the rest of the undecided people out there. And, in America, their doing a pretty darn good job of it. We can talk as much as we want, be we only consititute, like, 20 people. That's not exactly a whole lot of buying power..... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/rolleyes.gif Remember, we are a different breed: we are the entusiasts, not the ignorants. They don't NEED to listen to what we think...they already know.

Just like in politics, there is no need to win over those who are already committed their vote; energy must be spent attracting all the moderates and fence-riders out there to come into the fold.

In defense of Nissan, I think they are headed in the right direction...their cars look better, their engines are better, and they are reviving that spunk that initially brought buyers to the house in the 1970's..

[bretfraz]

Slack00 hit the nail on the head. We are the "believers". The ones who love Nissan enough that we go to enthusiast web sites and post our passions. Of course Nissan knows who we are! Does anybody here really think they're not reading these posts? These sites are some of the best places to get unfiltered info directly from consumers. I'll bet y'all $100 that execs from Nissan have either visited this site and read these posts or, at the very least, have read internal reports that had content pulled from this site.

The bigger issue is that no company can play to the narrow band of supporters and expect to stay in business. Car companies have to sell cars to make profits, and profits are why they're in business. With Nissan's problems they have to do what it takes to stay in business and if it means designing and building cars that don't turn on the "believers" (see the "obnoxiously roundy cars" crack), then that's what has to be done to stay in business. Only a healthy and profitable company has the need/desire to develop enthusiast products designed to enhance their image. A company on the ropes like Nissan just needs to sell cars and control costs. You ask if Nissan cares about hearing feedback from real consumers? Only if that consumer is buying their vehicles. It's cheap to complain - put your money where your mouth is, buy a new Nissan, and prove to them that YOU care.

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There are things Nissan MUST do in order to survive in the US.

1) Improve dealers. 2 years ago I was a chief consultant for my father in the car buying process http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif I've chosen Altima as the best combination of features, reliability and value in its class, but the buying experience was just disgusting. I've probably harassed all 6 nissan dealers in our metro area, and rate their sales departments pretty low on customer satisfaction. And I mean not only the unwilingness to reduce the price.

2) Improve dealers. Service departments are generally good if there is no problem with the car. My father is perfectly happy with the oil changes and other routine maintenance dealers provide. But they often don't have a clue if something is wrong (been there, done that. Having an old 300zx might be a problem).

3) Improve customer service/timely problem resolution, especially with new cars. Related to #2. If you catch your spouse cheating before the honeymoon is finished, it will be a shock. This is what you feel when your shining new car either breaks down or just does something annoying. It might become a big PR fiasco, especially with the rise of Internet. Look at this link for an example of problem I'm talking about:
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/engaged/edmund.cgi?q=0-&c=Sedans&t=3175

4) I won't touch styling, enough people told about that.

5) Nissan needs to have better forecasting; it looks like they are trying to chase the market instead of riging the wave http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif.

They had only 4 models that were released at the right time in 90-s. These were: Z32, "Classic" Sentra SE-R, original Altima, Xterra.

They missed the entire minivan and SUV boom by having smallish Quest and underpowered Pathfinder as their only entries into that market. now they are ready to ramp up the production of the full-size pickup/SUV duo, but who knows what the market will be in 2003 when they are released! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif

The next phenomenon in luxury cars looks like BMW 3-series competitor in 30K+ area http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif Lexus, for example, believes that new IS300 won't steal sales from the ES300 (from what I see in the FA news/rumors, Infiniti is afraid that XVL will do that to I30, so they want to reserve 3.5 engine for I30 even though it would be more logical putting it into the sportier XVL).

[Slack00]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bretfraz:
Slack00 hit the nail on the head. We are the "believers". The ones who love Nissan enough that we go to enthusiast web sites and post our passions. Of course Nissan knows who we are! Does anybody here really think they're not reading these posts? These sites are some of the best places to get unfiltered info directly from consumers. I'll bet y'all $100 that execs from Nissan have either visited this site and read these posts or, at the very least, have read internal reports that had content pulled from this site.

The bigger issue is that no company can play to the narrow band of supporters and expect to stay in business. Car companies have to sell cars to make profits, and profits are why they're in business. With Nissan's problems they have to do what it takes to stay in business and if it means designing and building cars that don't turn on the "believers" (see the "obnoxiously roundy cars" crack), then that's what has to be done to stay in business. Only a healthy and profitable company has the need/desire to develop enthusiast products designed to enhance their image. A company on the ropes like Nissan just needs to sell cars and control costs. You ask if Nissan cares about hearing feedback from real consumers? Only if that consumer is buying their vehicles. It's cheap to complain - put your money where your mouth is, buy a new Nissan, and prove to them that YOU care.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Couldn't have said it better myself....

[2HD]

Us Nissan "Believers" are a different breed alright. We have a good understanding of what should be done at Nissan. So far the new campaigns and products have been great for the most part. But as Nissan enthusiasts we know where the flaws are too. We've compared Nissan to the competition and we know what they can do to improve themselves. I may be speaking for myself but most of the cars I like have become hits in the market so believe I have good perception of what most people like. If Nissan is trying to capture more buyers, they need only put out a little more effort, like Poligraf said Nissan must have better "forecasting" they really come late into the market sometimes and because of this their vehicles have to be extra good Like Xterra to really steal some sales from the rest of the competition. We asked Nissan for more modern styling, better service and more cars that beat the competition. We've also expressed are feelings about common sense ideas like bringing Silvia and Skyline to the U.S. and mistakes like not bringing Terrano to the U.S.

So I think us "Believers" have done enough research to know what Nissan needs

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slack00:
Don't you get it? Nissan's not selling the cars to us, its selling them to the rest of the undecided people out there. And, in America, their doing a pretty darn good job of it. We can talk as much as we want, be we only consititute, like, 20 people. That's not exactly a whole lot of buying power..... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/rolleyes.gif Remember, we are a different breed: we are the entusiasts, not the ignorants. They don't NEED to listen to what we think...they already know.

Just like in politics, there is no need to win over those who are already committed their vote; energy must be spent attracting all the moderates and fence-riders out there to come into the fold.

In defense of Nissan, I think they are headed in the right direction...their cars look better, their engines are better, and they are reviving that spunk that initially brought buyers to the house in the 1970's..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bretfraz:
Slack00 hit the nail on the head. We are the "believers". The ones who love Nissan enough that we go to enthusiast web sites and post our passions. Of course Nissan knows who we are! Does anybody here really think they're not reading these posts? These sites are some of the best places to get unfiltered info directly from consumers. I'll bet y'all $100 that execs from Nissan have either visited this site and read these posts or, at the very least, have read internal reports that had content pulled from this site.
The bigger issue is that no company can play to the narrow band of supporters and expect to stay in business. Car companies have to sell cars to make profits, and profits are why they're in business. With Nissan's problems they have to do what it takes to stay in business and if it means designing and building cars that don't turn on the "believers" (see the "obnoxiously roundy cars" crack), then that's what has to be done to stay in business. Only a healthy and profitable company has the need/desire to develop enthusiast products designed to enhance their image. A company on the ropes like Nissan just needs to sell cars and control costs. You ask if Nissan cares about hearing feedback from real consumers? Only if that consumer is buying their vehicles. It's cheap to complain - put your money where your mouth is, buy a new Nissan, and prove to them that YOU care.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[noelsaw]

I've been told by various Nissan insiders that some Nissan execs do read FA news page and the community forums.

p.s. we've had a few Nissan employees tell us that at first they thought FreshAlloy.com was a Nissan marketing/PR site. We're not.

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I guess you guys are all right. I may have some very anti Nissan sediments at times but thats only because I'm such a Nissan guy at heart. I think it's a shame to watch the competition blow them away in terms of sales figures and overall quality, I think Nissan can do much better. I do own a Nissan btw and it's a 94 Hardbody 4x4 XE that I've many miles and I cant tell you how impressed I am with it's overal quality and design. I wouldnt trade it for anything right now except maybe a new Xterra. Like I said in other posts, I've worked a long time with Nissan products (Infiniti mostly) and their competition (Lexus/Toyota, BMW, Honda/Acura) and all I can tell you is my opinions are generated by the observations I've accumulated over the years. I think Nissan's dropped the ball over the past few years, and I think it's a shame to watch a company once so powerful so mis-managed. I think alot of itt has come from a lot of beuracracy within their company and inability to look ahead by their CEOs. I think overall they need to slim down their entire operation, get rid of the middle management and put someone in charge with an idea of what they want Nissan to become in the future: "the best handling/feeling cars on the road"

[bretfraz]

HammerMan, I think all of us in here feel the same as you do regarding Nissan's recent decent. It's really a shame, like watching your beloved Chicago Bulls win championship after championship, and then fall to pieces. Sure, we all know the reasons, but it still hurts our pride and egos. In sports, good managers/owners rebuild their teams to regain the glory they once enjoyed. I think the same will happen at Nissan. It'll just take time. They have to focus on doing the basics well and not worrying about the small stuff (like ticked-off people who post to internet clubs). Believe me, I know how hard this is. I work for a large Japanese corporation (non-automotive) and we're going thru alot of the same things as Nissan. A big part of it is being Japanese and suffering the effects of a lousy Japanese economy. Nissan North America can't take advantage of the US economy boom if Japan-side is hurting, since that's where the money comes from and the decisions are made. This is the way it is when you work for a multi-national corporation.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Hmmm, that just gave me an idea... What if Nissan North America were to become their own entity, with a bank account and management all their own?? That would definately improve things as far as making things for the American continent work better, ie: "getting rid of the middle management." (not to mention some red tape!) That in turn would help them take advantage of the current North American economic boom. Just food for thought.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

here's my $0.02

1. hatchback
2. coupe
3. turbo (HELLO?!? anyone listening???)
4. aerodynamic, stressing on dynamic!

BTW, i don't care for caddy's, but DAMN!

[bretfraz]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
Hmmm, that just gave me an idea... What if Nissan North America were to become their own entity, with a bank account and management all their own?? That would definately improve things as far as making things for the American continent work better, ie: "getting rid of the middle management." (not to mention some red tape!) That in turn would help them take advantage of the current North American economic boom. Just food for thought. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, this is how alot of multi-national's get in trouble. "Too many chiefs, not enough Indians" kinda thing. Imagine office politics on a global, cross-nationality scale. Everyone has their views, beliefs, values, etc spread out all over the world. Decision-making power gets diluted as every manager and exec protects their power structure and authority. This is what happened to Nissan. All these execs wanting to run their own show, but no Big Boss holding them accountable. The only way a 21st Century global corporation can work efficiently and compete on a global stage is to have "One Vision, One Mission, One Strategy". This is how Microsoft was built. It's Bill's way or the Highway.

Problem with Japanese companies is that their culture teaches them to respect their elders and command by consensus. No one leader making the big decisions. Every employee deferring to their superior. No employee taking risks which can dishonor the company. This works great when you are building something from nothing, but falls apart when it's time to prune back the overgrowth because someone ultimately has to make the Big Decision. Americans LOVE to take charge. Japanese fear it unless eveyone agrees.

[GTR]

i'd tell nissan, "BRING OVER THE SKYLINE GT-R VSPEC OR I COMMIT SUICIDE HERE AND NOW!!!" that'd oughtta catch their attention. (and no im not really suicidal)

[Slack00]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2HD:
Us Nissan "Believers" are a different breed alright. We have a good understanding of what should be done at Nissan. So far the new campaigns and products have been great for the most part. But as Nissan enthusiasts we know where the flaws are too. We've compared Nissan to the competition and we know what they can do to improve themselves. I may be speaking for myself but most of the cars I like have become hits in the market so believe I have good perception of what most people like. If Nissan is trying to capture more buyers, they need only put out a little more effort, like Poligraf said Nissan must have better "forecasting" they really come late into the market sometimes and because of this their vehicles have to be extra good Like Xterra to really steal some sales from the rest of the competition. We asked Nissan for more modern styling, better service and more cars that beat the competition. We've also expressed are feelings about common sense ideas like bringing Silvia and Skyline to the U.S. and mistakes like not bringing Terrano to the U.S.

So I think us "Believers" have done enough research to know what Nissan needs

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I don't question the fact that we Believers know a lot about Nissan cars and are very discriminating folk. But, as evidenced by this very forum, we all have very differing opinions on what kind of medicine is best for Nissan. And, no matter how knowledgeable we are of Nissan's products or of the car market in genearal, I (personally) still would not be so brash as to say I knew what Nissan needed better than Nissan itself said it needed. Contrary to popular belief, Nissan isn't a company that makes cars......Nissan is a company that makes money. And the only way to make money is by gagueing MASS appeal. And, frankly, we aren't the masses....we are the enthusiasts.

But I don't mean to devaluate our opinions. You see, if Nissan doesn't keep us in check and keep us happy, then Nissan's got no fans at all. First and foremost, they have to make products that sell. That's where the masses come into play. But Nissan can't alienate us in the process...so I do believe that Nissan is looking at these forums, and they do value our opinion, because we speak with passion about their cars. They want that passion to spread, but they don't necesarrily rely on our data to make major marketing decisions.


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[bretfraz]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2HD:
Us Nissan "Believers" are a different breed alright. We have a good understanding of what should be done at Nissan. So far the new campaigns and products have been great for the most part. But as Nissan enthusiasts we know where the flaws are too. We've compared Nissan to the competition and we know what they can do to improve themselves. I may be speaking for myself but most of the cars I like have become hits in the market so believe I have good perception of what most people like. If Nissan is trying to capture more buyers, they need only put out a little more effort, like Poligraf said Nissan must have better "forecasting" they really come late into the market sometimes and because of this their vehicles have to be extra good Like Xterra to really steal some sales from the rest of the competition. We asked Nissan for more modern styling, better service and more cars that beat the competition. We've also expressed are feelings about common sense ideas like bringing Silvia and Skyline to the U.S. and mistakes like not bringing Terrano to the U.S.

So I think us "Believers" have done enough research to know what Nissan needs

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I think 'ol 2HD is fixin to go Postal on Nissan execs!!! Dude, chill out.

I disagee that the "believers" have "done enough research" or "have a good understanding" of what should be done at Nissan. Big corporations have huge marketing research departments that compare themselves to the competition every day. There is no business more competitive and cutthroat than the car business. Even if you have a Marketing degree or a Harvard MBA, no one person or small group knows what better for a company than the company itself. As enthusiasts, we certainly have our pointed, biased, selfish views (hey, that's what they are) but there is no way we "know where the flaws are". For better or worse, it's their company. Calm down, put down the gun, grab a beer, and be patient. This is gonna take time.

[slowpoke]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bretfraz:
I think 'ol 2HD is fixin to go Postal on Nissan execs!!! Dude, chill out.

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As enthusiasts, we certainly have our pointed, biased, selfish views (hey, that's what they are) but there is no way we "know where the flaws are". For better or worse, it's their company. Calm down, put down the gun, grab a beer, and be patient. This is gonna take time.

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I agree with Mr. BretFraz. Nissan really is turning things around - we just need to give them time. The new Max, Xterra, (and yes...) even the Sentra are all great new cars. And I bet we're all going to really surprised when the next big wave of new Nissan products crashes upon the American shores (well... hopefully they won't *crash*).

I just hope that they can keep this trend up -- Nissan was totally on a roll during the early 90's. The 240sx, 300zx, Max, the 1st Altima, Sentra/NX2000 -- does anyone remember all the hullabulloo surrounding the research group code named "Team 901?" They were supposed to make Nissans #1 in the 90's (or something like that... it's been a while) And they were kicking ASS! Then where did they go? What happened?

Yes, Nissan is rebuilding now, but they never should have gotten themselves in this "just in time continuing to manufacture" situation in the first place. The changes in product that we are seeing are good, but they must be sustained for Nissan to survive and flourish.

slowpoke

[2HD]

I don't know what you read that possessed you into thinking I'm going to blow up Nissan Headquarters, let me assure you that I'm for Nissan not against them.

But I'm going to try to break this down for you in a way that you can understand anyways.

All of us in this Forum are definitely not clueless people, for you to totally disagree with the fact that we have done enough research or have a good understanding is not really fair for the most part. When we give ideas for what Nissan should do I don't think it's for self benefit but for what the market would want or what would give Nissan a better image. Would it really be stupid for Nissan to read are posts? Do you think were so uninformed that the whole company would go out of business to follow through with a least one of our ideas. I speak for myself at least and I only want Nissan to do what is best.

If Nissan has been doing lots of market research and listening to the consumer as they should. Do you believe they would have gotten into so much trouble ?

"no one person or small group knows what better for a company than the company itself"

You just realized the problem, the company thinks it knows what is best for itself, when in fact it is the consumer that knows what is best for the company because this is who the company is trying to please with it's products. The idea is to produce products that the market wants.

So back to the topic, if Nissan Exec's were reading this, I'd tell them they're doing an excellent job right now, keep up the good work! I'd Also tell them that they need to work more on dealer service, but most of all to hurry up with those great new products http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bretfraz:
I think 'ol 2HD is fixin to go Postal on Nissan execs!!! Dude, chill out.

I disagee that the "believers" have "done enough research" or "have a good understanding" of what should be done at Nissan. Big corporations have huge marketing research departments that compare themselves to the competition every day. There is no business more competitive and cutthroat than the car business. Even if you have a Marketing degree or a Harvard MBA, no one person or small group knows what better for a company than the company itself. As enthusiasts, we certainly have our pointed, biased, selfish views (hey, that's what they are) but there is no way we "know where the flaws are". For better or worse, it's their company. Calm down, put down the gun, grab a beer, and be patient. This is gonna take time.

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['97 S14 SE Turbo]

The real solution here is image...

Look at Honda with their Civic. A select few folks who started modifiying Civics to go fast started a hugh trend into the sports compact. Now everyone who is into the scene has a civic.

The Nissan Image in US basicallys sucks... before the Xterra hit. Maxima was boring, Sentra was boring, 240SX was non-existant in marketing's eyes and targed toward secretaries who really wanted a SUV. So how boring can that be. Nissan really needs to cater to the enthauist like me who will buy one of their hightech cars and modify it and show it at events and races. Other enthauist would do the same, and slowly a repectable image is forged in the aftermarket, which will turn the tide like how the Civic's popularity grew...

...it's all grass roots... The select few are the ones making the difference in the general market's view. Basically, we are the free advertisement that Nissan chose not to take advantage of...

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Nissan made some nasty blunders in the last half decade or so. They totally were unprepared for the SUV explosion. This made the sports car industry go into recession (glad its coming back...sort of).Anyway,having a sports image means little to an Explorer buyer.Nissan made other boo boos too like droping the v/6 in trucks from 96-98 (that means no automatic 4x4s for that period too).Dumb! To top everything off,the troubled home market and economy Im sure helped make for a mess.The "Enjoy The Ride" campaign made Nissan fans smile and won Cleo awards...but it didnt sell cars! (However,I bet if they waited untill now to do that campaign with all this fresh product it could have been sucessful).Things are moving the right way now...some of the competitors are too though so Nissan has to stay on their toes.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Selling lots of product and catering to the enthusiast in my opinion dont have to be on two oposite sides of the spectrum. Just look at what they were doing back in the early 90's, that period in time (not to mention the late 80's) in my opinion was Nissan's golden era! Everything in their arsenal except the NX here in the States was selling like hotcakes and winning all sorts of praise from the automotive media. I dont understand why the sorta thinking that led to that line up wont work today. Alot of today's focus has shifted away from shear performanc, but it doesnt mean a car doesnt have to look or handle good. People buy Hondas and the like simply because they have image. Well, all I'm saying is Nissan has lost their image, and somehow they need to gain it back. That is what makes cars sell. Performance doesnt have to be out of the picture when appealing to the masses.

[Max Ima]

I'm not sure Nissan "doesn't have an image." Seems like they have too many images. Some folks see them as a performance company. Some people see them as the "low-price leader." I think now they're getting kind of a "cutting-edge design" image. (Having a designer as a spokesman helps.) At the same time, Toyota is totally schitzophrenic. Honda is kind of invisible. The mass-market brands don't have it easy in trying to define themselves.

[bretfraz]

Sorry, 2HD, perhaps I misinterpreted your viewpoint. Since I work for a big Japanese corp. I'm a little sensitive when individuals think they know more than the personnel at the corp. who work day & night (literally) trying to turn things around. If I offended you, I apologize.

Like most all y'all, I want Nissan to succeed again and I think they will. They need to listen, but not heed, enthusiast input. Both parties have their passions rooted in the same place. I think if Nissan starts building product, the enthusiasts will come back (and be happier).

Perhaps folks like 2HD have done quite a bit of market research and have a clear notion of where Nissan needs to go but ultimately, it's their game. I'm confident they know that better than any of us in here.

On another topic: I'm writing this from one of Edmunds.com Roadshows where you can test drive all kinds of cars and trucks side-by-side, among other things. It's an incredible opportunity to drive not only Nissan/Infiniti product but their competition too. I drove a new Lexus IS300 just a minute ago and it's pretty cool! If you live near one of their shows, you've got to check it out. Go to Edmunds.com for more info.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Nissan should focus on the Infiniti models. First, the I30 (and maxima) should have been built with 4-wheel independent suspension. I believe that automobile magazine writers (especially C&D) feel that a car without independent suspension is inferior. The rear suspension on the recent Maximas and I30 do ride a bit harsh. All of the models should have 4-wheel double wishbone suspension.
Second, all Infiniti models should and must have REAL wood in the interior not wood-tone trim. Consumers are not willing to pay 30K and up to get an automoblie that has fake wood! Consumers read automobile magazines and reviews which state that the infiniti models have fake wood. Other luxury brands such as Lexus, Lincoln, and BMW have real wood. How much more is it to add REAL wood? This is a must on all infiniti models.
Another point, the QX4 should have 4-wheel disc brakes. A reviewer on C&D disliked the QX4 because it has rear drum brakes. Nissan must not allow reviewers make bad remarks about their automobiles because consumers believe everything they write.
Finally, Infiniti models should be advertised as sporty yet refined and safe machines. Currently, Infiniti lacks an image

[Slack00]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kmax95:
Second, all Infiniti models should and must have REAL wood in the interior not wood-tone trim. Consumers are not willing to pay 30K and up to get an automoblie that has fake wood! Consumers read automobile magazines and reviews which state that the infiniti models have fake wood. Other luxury brands such as Lexus, Lincoln, and BMW have real wood. How much more is it to add REAL wood? This is a must on all infiniti models. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't profess to know the relative costs of components of the assembly of a vehicle, but I'm willing to conjecture getting REAL WOOD cut, finished, and assembled into the interior of the car is a very costly and difficult portion of the interior....

Perhaps, by the numbers, they can make more money by selling the fake wood (for cheaper build costs) and losing a few customers than by using authentic wood (and its high costs) to gain only a handful more. I honestly don't think people line up to buy the other luxury marques because of 'real wood.'

But I agree, Nissan certianly doesn't need bad publicity about anything, so if the media whines enough about it, something will probably be done....

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kmax95:
Nissan should focus on the Infiniti models. First, the I30 (and maxima) should have been built with 4-wheel independent suspension. I believe that automobile magazine writers (especially C&D) feel that a car without independent suspension is inferior. The rear suspension on the recent Maximas and I30 do ride a bit harsh. All of the models should have 4-wheel double wishbone suspension. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bretfraz replies: [I agree about the 4-wheel independent suspension but it clearly costs more to develop and bring to market. I recall that when Ford redesigned the T-Bird in '92 (I think) they included IRS to make it ride and handle like a BMW 635CSi which was their benchmark. When Ford had an internal launch party for the new T-Bird, senior mgmt. like Don Petersen badly chastised the T-Bird development team for cost overruns, and the IRS was the big ticket item on that car. I don't think Nissan has lost too may sales to consumers because the Maxima/I30 do not have independent suspensions. I'd rather see them hold the line on price and let the people who want advanced suspensions go buy another brand.]

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Second, all Infiniti models should and must have REAL wood in the interior not wood-tone trim. Consumers are not willing to pay 30K and up to get an automoblie that has fake wood! Consumers read automobile magazines and reviews which state that the infiniti models have fake wood. Other luxury brands such as Lexus, Lincoln, and BMW have real wood. How much more is it to add REAL wood? This is a must on all infiniti models.
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bretfraz replies: [As an Infiniti owner and supporter, I don't really care about real vs. fake wood. Yeah, it would be nice if it were real, but the fake stuff won't turn me off unless it looks really bad. That stuff is a big deal with Jaguar buyers or others who feel offended by fake things represented as real things, but it's not a big deal to me personally.]
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Another point, the QX4 should have 4-wheel disc brakes. A reviewer on C&D disliked the QX4 because it has rear drum brakes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bretfraz replies: [As a QX4 owner, I agree big-time. I've looked into converting my rear drums to discs but it's too cost-prohibitive for me. 4-wheel independent suspension is not a big deal to me but 4-wheel disc brakes is.]

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The new Altima will have an independent rear. How does this relate to the Maxima/I30? It means the new larger Maxima/I30 coming in 3-4 years will likely go back to an IRS.

I think Infiniti should either have really good looking fake wood or real wood. The J30 had real wood that looked good. The current I30 fake wood looks the part. Even the top of the line Q45 has fake wood which is unfortunate. With Ghosn and Pelata in the picture I think the days of fake wood will be behind us soon.

I think it's optimal to have rear discs but not necessary if they tune the overall brake system well. But if it's an Infiniti it should have rear discs.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kmax95:
Nissan should focus on the Infiniti models. First, the I30 (and maxima) should have been built with 4-wheel independent suspension. ...
Second, all Infiniti models should and must have REAL wood in the interior not wood-tone trim. Consumers are not willing to pay 30K and up to get an automoblie that has fake wood!...Another point, the QX4 should have 4-wheel disc brakes. A reviewer on C&D disliked the QX4 because it has rear drum brakes...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slack00:
Don't you get it? Nissan's not selling the cars to us, its selling them to the rest of the undecided people out there. And, in America, their doing a pretty darn good job of it. We can talk as much as we want, be we only consititute, like, 20 people. That's not exactly a whole lot of buying power..... http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/rolleyes.gif Remember, we are a different breed: we are the entusiasts, not the ignorants. They don't NEED to listen to what we think...they already know.

Just like in politics, there is no need to win over those who are already committed their vote; energy must be spent attracting all the moderates and fence-riders out there to come into the fold.

In defense of Nissan, I think they are headed in the right direction...their cars look better, their engines are better, and they are reviving that spunk that initially brought buyers to the house in the 1970's..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

UUHHH...What he said.
late,
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I believe that the masses are brainwashed and very sheep like. Lexus sells very well because of their great line up of cars which captures the varying niches of consumer tastes. The LS400, for example, is capturing market share that have been exclusively Mercedes and BMWs in the past. The LS when introduced was essentially a Japanese version of what a Mercedes would be if Japan built one. Toyota did not cut corners with any of the interior or exterior make-up of the car. It was a luxury car that had all the amenities that one would want with a reliability of a Japanese car. Mind you, it was sold at a reasonable price at that time, somewhere around 35-40K. Toyota built Lexus’ reputation by giving consumers a luxury and reliable automobile at a reasonable price. Today, Lexus is a name that is in the same category as Mercedes and BMW.
As for Infiniti, the introduction of their line up came with advertisement that resembled a page out of a bonsai handbook. I don’t believe that Infiniti took a back seat to Lexus due to the commercials; however, I believe consumers did not identify it as a Mercedes or BMW look alike. The Q had an unusual front end badge which some consumers found odd. The price of the Q was slightly more than the Lexus LS. And eventually, the reliability of the Q was less than the LS.
In order for Nissan/Infiniti to regain market share is to do what Lexus has done in the past. That is to not cut corners in any aspect of their products. In my other post, I stated that Infiniti should use real wood as opposed to wood-tone. I understand that some people would not care if it was walnut or imitation, but I believe that people who spend $$ on a car would want to have the best (real wood). An average car buyer would note that a Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW all have real wood in the interior, but a second class Infiniti has fake wood. Why would you want fake when all the other manufactures use real wood? (An analogy: Would your gf/wife want a fake (mind you it looks real) diamond ring or a genuine diamond? Even though no one could tell if the rock was real or not I think that your gf/wife would still want the real thing.) Here is one reason consumers would see Infiniti as a second-class automobile manufacture. I am not stating that real wood interior would be the deciding factor in purchasing an automobile, but rather the use of real wood would enhance Infiniti as a manufacture that only puts in the best.
Infiniti should manufacture automobiles with advanced suspension. I believe that the introduction of the I30 with Independent Rear Suspension (and real wood) would have upped the ante against the Lexus ES300. The 2000 I30 is not a winner hands down against the ES300. Yes, the I30 has one of the best V6 around. But the ride is not as smooth compared to the ES. If only Nissan would just spend a little more on its product with the addition of an IRS would have done more to the introduction of the I30. I don’t know the manufactures cost of adding this, but I think automobile magazine writers would have recognized this as a step in the right direction for Infiniti. Consumers would identify Infiniti in the same category as Lexus, Mercedes, and BMW.
The introduction of the new Q in the 2001 will help to improve Infiniti’s image. As I see it, Nissan has not cut corners the manufacturing of this vehicle. I do hope that it will be one of its first steps in changing the minds of consumers. Nissan must advertise that Infiniti is a luxury automobile manufacture that develops THE BEST automobile in the world. When consumers believe this in their sleep, they will come to the showrooms and the roads will be filled with Infinitis as they do now with Lexus. Nissan must learn that cutting corners in the manufacturing of its luxury vehicles will not be a wise-idea in a cutthroat competitive luxury market.

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OK, they need to bring over an American version of the SKyline R34, and not the $90K version that Motorex is asking, that is crazy like the NSX price, a porsche is worth $60K now isn't it. The Silvia needs to be brought over here, even a non-turbo version would be great. Nissan does not have any competition to the Civic craze US is experiencing so Nissan does not really have any true tuner cars except the Sentra, but who wants a boring compact car. We want a 2 door car that is sporty and can comptete with the market of the other coupes available. I am a large Nissan fan and would like to see the following changes take place. I am also dissappointed at seeing the 5spd option on the new I30 be dropped, big mistake there.

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NISSAN, Sprechen Sie Deutsch? Follow the example of Daimler-Chrysler on the following thing: http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/news/messages/672.html

With Altima getting a V6 (and probably growing in size) Maxima becomes out of position on the market. Who will want to pay a premium for the same car that is not an Infiniti ???

The most logical thing to do is to make Maxima an XVL kid brother. It should be bigger but less expensive than the luxurious XVL, just like Passat and Audi A4 who share the same platform and engines.

This will resolve all kind of problems:
1) Distinguishing Maxima from Altima.
2) Satisfying Nissan enthusiasts out here with an RWD 4DSC, starting at $24-25K.
3) Cheapening the XVL/Z production by sharing a platform.
4) Riding a wave instead of feeling late again http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Poligraf:
...just like Passat and Audi A4 who share the same platform and engines.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe Passat shares with Audi A6, not the A4.

And on the other topic...
The XVL will be Nissan's choice FR sport sedan to aim squarely at BMW 3-series and Lexus I30. What would be the purpose of a Maxima that's also a sporty FR sedan?

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I would tell the execs at Nissan in Japan to bring over all the cars they make (being made for the 'left hand' market - of course). If they brought over designs that were only for the Japanese market, they would increase they market share in the USA. They seem to have some really nice cars that are limited to Japan. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carsonjon:
I believe Passat shares with Audi A6, not the A4.

And on the other topic...
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I believe, all three of them have the same platform http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

The purpose of Maxima be like that is the resurrection of the 4 Door Sports Car in the Family disguise http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

If you look at sporty A4, IS300 and 3-series, you'll notice that they are much smaller than the family Passat or Camcordion. And since they are driver cars, that mostly goes into trunk and back seat. On the other hand, smaller size allows these cars to be tighter and lighter.

So, Maxima I'm proposing to build and sell will be a sport sedan for the family market. You should not also forget that XVL will be priced at 32K+ (I guess, Infiniti will try to undercut Lexus on price the same way Lexus tries to undercut BMW) whether Maxima can (and should http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif) be priced much less.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kmax95:
I believe that the masses are brainwashed and very sheep like. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OUCH! I guess we're all headed to the slaughter!

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Lexus sells very well because of their great line up of cars which captures the varying niches of consumer tastes. The LS400, for example, is capturing market share that have been exclusively Mercedes and BMWs in the past. The LS when introduced was essentially a Japanese version of what a Mercedes would be if Japan built one. Toyota did not cut corners with any of the interior or exterior make-up of the car. It was a luxury car that had all the amenities that one would want with a reliability of a Japanese car. Mind you, it was sold at a reasonable price at that time, somewhere around 35-40K. Toyota built Lexus’ reputation by giving consumers a luxury and reliable automobile at a reasonable price. Today, Lexus is a name that is in the same category as Mercedes and BMW.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree that Toyota did a fantastic job with the LS400 and the whole Lexus line. One of the key differences between Lexus and Infiniti is that Lexus now has an exclusive line of vehicles not directly shared with Toyota. They've done a great job distinguishing themselves as a premium luxury make like Mercedes, BMW, and Jaguar. Superior dealer service, competitive pricing, and great cars that met customer expectations all brought together by one of the great brand-creation campaigns in history. No wonder they destroyed Infiniti.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>As for Infiniti, the introduction of their line up came with advertisement that resembled a page out of a bonsai handbook. I don’t believe that Infiniti took a back seat to Lexus due to the commercials; <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, Infiniti took a back seat because the target consumer had no idea what the hell an Infiniti was. Isn't that the job of the advertiser and Marketing dept? I hope the team that developed that brand campaign was shot and is long dead. They earned the bullets!

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If they were reading I will say to them that read my point in the Nissan revival program!
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Hmmmm, you all have very interesting points. But I dont think they need to bring the Silvia to the United states, they already have a sports car in their line up, the new Z. After what I saw today (new Z car forum) I dont think there is a reason to buy anything else! I was impressed!! (goodbye S2000 and any other thing in that price range) Leave the Maxima alone, affordable middle management sports car (sedan) and bring the Altima to a new level featuring bigger room, more refinment, and better features and motor to compete with the Camary and Accord. That should be enough to take enough sales out of the big three: Honda, Toyota, and Ford. Then hit them down low with the new Sentra with better room and what not and a better engine. Not to mention get the styling right. It should be something that will stop people dead in their tracks!! That will really set the automotive world on fire!! And then finally take a more laid back sales approach. Try and make buying a Nissan as pleasurable as driving a Nissan. If they could do all this and accomplish it within the next 4 years, that'd be great! I think that would leave Honda for dead and bring Nissan to Toyota's door step. All wishful thinking perhaps. But they only need one Image car. The rest of the line should speak for itself.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bretfraz:
I agree the Altima needs an upgrade in refinement and power to compete directly with Accord and Camry. I think the concept of Nissan having two cars that bracket the Accord/Camry/Taurus/Intrepid/Lumina/etc. group is a good idea but Nissan is having a hard time convincing buyers. Too many people shop the Maxima against the V6 Camry and V6 Accord; I don't believe either car is a real competitor to the Maxima as they are designed as 4 cyl. cars that have V6's optional. But, many people see the Altima as a step-down to a Camry/Accord (which is correct because it is) so they write off the Altima and go right to the Maxima and start grinding on price. Nissan put themselves in a tough position and left the market control to Honda and Toyota. A repositioning of both Altima and Maxima are needed to shut down the competition.

The dealers are another major issue. Most all Japanese mfrs. do a lousy job of keeping their dealers in line. Look at JD Power's research and you'll find customer satisfaction numbers for the Japanese brands at the bottom. Infiniti and Lexus were created to give the BMW/MBz/Jaguar buyer the luxury experience they expect. Too bad none of the good stuff filtered down to the main brands. I was shopping at an Oldsmobile dealer looking at Auroras and Intrigues and I was very impressed with the dealership experience. My neighborhood Nissan store isn't very nice by comparison. If I were buying today on dealer merits I'd be drivin' an Olds.

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i think nissan likes to have cars in between. civic-echo-corolla, accord-camry, accord coupe-solara, avalon...

sentra kind of fits in the compact market (just saw an SE 2.0 on the road, looks kinda upper class compared to the civic, just my take on it..)

altima is like the bridge between sentra and the accord-camry group.

and maxima is above the accord-camry and accord coupe-solara...

(wouldn't a maxima coupe be sweet..?)

oh btw, just went back to the nissan dealership and find it hard to believe the sales people don't know squat! ask them about a new 01 frontier.. i remember when i asked about any kind of info on the 2000 sentra jack in january when i got my altima, the sales person didn't know jack about it. maybe some of those sales people should get on to freshalloy or at least try to get a clue on the brand they sell...

[bretfraz]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
Hmmmm, you all have very interesting points. But I dont think they need to bring the Silvia to the United states, they already have a sports car in their line up, the new Z. After what I saw today (new Z car forum) I dont think there is a reason to buy anything else! I was impressed!! (goodbye S2000 and any other thing in that price range) Leave the Maxima alone, affordable middle management sports car (sedan) and bring the Altima to a new level featuring bigger room, more refinment, and better features and motor to compete with the Camary and Accord. That should be enough to take enough sales out of the big three: Honda, Toyota, and Ford. Then hit them down low with the new Sentra with better room and what not and a better engine. Not to mention get the styling right. It should be something that will stop people dead in their tracks!! That will really set the automotive world on fire!! And then finally take a more laid back sales approach. Try and make buying a Nissan as pleasurable as driving a Nissan. If they could do all this and accomplish it within the next 4 years, that'd be great! I think that would leave Honda for dead and bring Nissan to Toyota's door step. All wishful thinking perhaps. But they only need one Image car. The rest of the line should speak for itself.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree the Altima needs an upgrade in refinement and power to compete directly with Accord and Camry. I think the concept of Nissan having two cars that bracket the Accord/Camry/Taurus/Intrepid/Lumina/etc. group is a good idea but Nissan is having a hard time convincing buyers. Too many people shop the Maxima against the V6 Camry and V6 Accord; I don't believe either car is a real competitor to the Maxima as they are designed as 4 cyl. cars that have V6's optional. But, many people see the Altima as a step-down to a Camry/Accord (which is correct because it is) so they write off the Altima and go right to the Maxima and start grinding on price. Nissan put themselves in a tough position and left the market control to Honda and Toyota. A repositioning of both Altima and Maxima are needed to shut down the competition.

The dealers are another major issue. Most all Japanese mfrs. do a lousy job of keeping their dealers in line. Look at JD Power's research and you'll find customer satisfaction numbers for the Japanese brands at the bottom. Infiniti and Lexus were created to give the BMW/MBz/Jaguar buyer the luxury experience they expect. Too bad none of the good stuff filtered down to the main brands. I was shopping at an Oldsmobile dealer looking at Auroras and Intrigues and I was very impressed with the dealership experience. My neighborhood Nissan store isn't very nice by comparison. If I were buying today on dealer merits I'd be drivin' an Olds.

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I agree Corporate Nissan needs to get involved in the way their dealers sell their cars. I think it is a shame that everytime I visit my Nissan dealer I become the target of many a sales man for browsing the lot. THEY LITERALLY FOLLOW ME AROUND! And all I'm there for is a Tune and Service. Well, like I said, Nissan's got their hands full and I think taking the time to listen to our complaints/opinions would help.

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I believe the Passat is front half A4/rear half A6

[JonCarson]

Not all Nissan/Infiniti employees drive Nissans or even give a damn about them, but there must be at least a few Nissan enthusiasts at each Nissan and Infiniti dealership.

I've spoken with some guys at a San Diego Infiniti dealership (Convoy). They didn't have too many details on distant future products or concept vehicles. As one guy put it, "I know all about what we're selling now, what's here on the lot..."

He did say that there were some guys who worked there that raced Nissans, and he said that the dealership was working on a website.

I wonder if we couldn't invite some dealerships to work with FreshAlloy and/or participate in these forums somehow....

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ry2000AltimaGXE:
i think nissan likes to have cars in between. civic-echo-corolla, accord-camry, accord coupe-solara, avalon...

sentra kind of fits in the compact market (just saw an SE 2.0 on the road, looks kinda upper class compared to the civic, just my take on it..)

altima is like the bridge between sentra and the accord-camry group.

and maxima is above the accord-camry and accord coupe-solara...

(wouldn't a maxima coupe be sweet..?)

oh btw, just went back to the nissan dealership and find it hard to believe the sales people don't know squat! ask them about a new 01 frontier.. i remember when i asked about any kind of info on the 2000 sentra jack in january when i got my altima, the sales person didn't know jack about it. maybe some of those sales people should get on to freshalloy or at least try to get a clue on the brand they sell...

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I really agree with you ,if NISSAN want to sell more of their vehicles ,they need to be better in the dealerships! .Check this suggestion how about read all you can read in fresh alloy your NISSAN comunity (forums,interviews,news,etc) in that way they can know about the products they sell. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carsonjon:

I've spoken with some guys at a San Diego Infiniti dealership (Convoy). They didn't have too many details on distant future products or concept vehicles. As one guy put it, "I know all about what we're selling now, what's here on the lot..."

He did say that there were some guys who worked there that raced Nissans, and he said that the dealership was working on a website.

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i was talking to the guys down at one of the san diego nissan dealerships (mossy nissan kearny mesa, on convoy too, i think..)

the guy didn't know anything about the 2001 frontier and a possible supercharger.. guess what came in the mail not even a week later? the 01 frontier preview from nissan...

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carsonjon:
Not all Nissan/Infiniti employees drive Nissans or even give a damn about them, but there must be at least a few Nissan enthusiasts at each Nissan and Infiniti dealership.

I've spoken with some guys at a San Diego Infiniti dealership (Convoy). They didn't have too many details on distant future products or concept vehicles. As one guy put it, "I know all about what we're selling now, what's here on the lot..."

He did say that there were some guys who worked there that raced Nissans, and he said that the dealership was working on a website.

I wonder if we couldn't invite some dealerships to work with FreshAlloy and/or participate in these forums somehow....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't really blame the sales guys for their attitude. They are there to make money and talking too much about future products only plants a seed in the customers mind that he should wait instead of buying right now. I have a friend who works in my industry and I'm always amazed about how much he doesn't know about new technology and products - but his company doesn't sell most of the fancy stuff and most of his customers don't know enough to ask so he just focuses on what he has in his inventory and pushes that. If someone asks about some fancy new product and he doesn't have it, he just blows off the guy since he feels that customer isn't going to buy today, he's just kicking tires.

If I were a Nissan salesman, I'd want to know about the future stuff, but only use that info to help me close a sale. Otherwise I'd keep my mouth shut and my eyes focused on my paycheck.

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True that.

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Ok, here's my 2 cents...
I think that Infiniti needs to make a few small changes. They already have some of the best dealers, customer service wise, in the U.S. They have great reliability and an excellent warranty. What they need now is a few common design themes, other than the
"clock." Look at BMW with the kidney grille. People need to be able to look at the cars and say "that's an Infiniti." To me, the only cars that say Infiniti were the original Q, the J30, the new G20, and the new I30. I am not saying that all the new Infiniti's should look the same, but a little brand identity in the lines would definitely help. Infiniti is still a young company and it will take them some time to find their "style." A luxury car needs to look like a luxury car. It has to have a sense of style and presence. Who would get the front row at the valet lot, a Lincoln LS or a S-type Jag? Same chassis, different character. I may be a little different in my thinking but I would not buy a $30k to $50k car that didn't look like a $30k to $50k car.
-John

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listen to what the market is saying!!!
I'm in the Saguenay,Quebec, and the dealers here could have sold truck loads of Xterra's if they could have hade the chance. Supply cant keep up with the demande and the people get feed up waiting and buy other makes. If the supply could keep up and they adapte theire publicity it would go a lot better. Here real winter existes, when you see in a tv pub. a 4X4 in the desert it is verry irrelevent!
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Ok, you know what I would tell the nissan execs? Well I would tell them to bring the Nissan Patrol over here right away. And don't just offer low fuel efficiency gas engines in them, but diesels too. Did you all know that patrols sold in australia and elswhere get well over 20mpg if they are diesel? And they are no slouches too, at least from what I read. Also I want Diesels available in all their trucks. With gas prices so high and all I think plenty of people would buy and x-terra or frontier with an intercooled and turbocharged diesel in it. Sure it wouldn't be too fast off the line, but they arn't anyhow. Most turboed diesels have power to spare. I would love to buy an x-terra that gets 25-30 mpg which is not unrealistic at all. Is anybody listening out there? Bring me diesels now!!! Can I get some agreement up in here?!!!!

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Easy...

Make the SE-R with the biggest engine you can get in there. I say the QR 2.5. The 2.0 would be cheaping out. Put that in the SE. Nissan needs to do more than match the competition. They need to drive them through a wall!!! Through down the proverbial gauntlet!

Nuff said,
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Don't hold back! Bring all the latest and greatest to the North American Market, since it is so important to Nissan. Bring over the R35 to Infiniti, make the QE45 more powerful than the AMG E55, make a more aggressive J35. The G20, keep it as is (maybe a little touch up) but add a new power plant so it pushes 185HP. Separate the I30/Maxima and the QX4/Pathfinder so people can clearly distinguish between the two. Change the exterior of the Maxima, and cut down on so much weight! The altima and the quest will be restyled, but not soon enough. Most importantly the new Z has to be a PERFORMANCE monster, costing around 30K. Finally, Nissan/Infiniti is heading in the right direction let's hope they stick to their plan, and everyone buys their great vehicles; and they should not base their future plan sole on the trends of today. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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Give car and truck enthousiastes a chance to show-off there pride and joy.
Help Nissan minded bisnesses as Cattman, Stillen,... It is hard to find diferent go fast goodies to put on a Maxima. Or make a real performance product line, not just a cheezy pin stripe and spoiler thing, but real race type products(TRD, HRC, Mopar,...). I hate only seeing hondas and toyotas more often that my maxima in magazines. And that pushes people and the car parts industrie to forget Nissan products except for the few 240sx components.
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There are some areas like maby Chicoutimi, Quebec, Canada, that are always back order on Xterras. This is an area were people love those type of suv's. People love them specialy in the winter, we have plenty of snow and cold, or vice versa. People are indifferent to seeing a 4X4 going around in the desert. Here up north they use them to go at cottages, snowmobiling, skiing, some just like the sense of security of a suv in town. You should frown it's qualities against its competition! Try to tow a pair of snowmobiles in the back of a CRV, RAV4, Outback,... Real off-road abilety, strenght, safty, good looks, space, reliability, are some of it's traits. And also that is what people are looking for here.

But all that only would work only if the people can see and know the vehicle exists! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif And also if the vehicle is made available, when theyre B-O people get feed up waiting and get somthing else. If you use this info up north and dont enhance the sales and reputation I'll be very surptised. If it does work I should have first choice and a good discount with the next stronger Xterra or S/C Xterra! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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My problem with Nissan NA and its inate/infamous ability to take a winning/proven design and make it worse, ie.
89-93 S13 240SX and 94-98 S14 240SX(a.k.a. Silvia) - make it heavier and give it less power. Gee, that sounds like a good idea... What was Nissan NA thinking!
Also, Nissan NA's denighing us the Skyline for the past 10+ years! Motortrend called it, "So good its scary!" for a reason and lamented the fact that it could be bought in the USA.
The new S15 Silvia is another example of an excellently designed automobile, that has had nothing but glowing reviews, that will probably never be seen in a Nissan NA showroom floor.
Why don't they at try bring the Silvia and Skyline to some North American car shows to see what kind of response they get from the press and the public. That's how companies like VW found out that their new Beetle would go over BIG in the USA.
GIVE US THE CHANCE TO CHOOSE!


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Musashi:
My problem with Nissan NA and its inate/infamous ability to take a winning/proven design and make it worse, ie.
89-93 S13 240SX and 94-98 S14 240SX(a.k.a. Silvia) - make it heavier and give it less power. Gee, that sounds like a good idea... What was Nissan NA thinking!
Also, Nissan NA's denighing us the Skyline for the past 10+ years! Motortrend called it, "So good its scary!" for a reason and lamented the fact that it could be bought in the USA.
The new S15 Silvia is another example of an excellently designed automobile, that has had nothing but glowing reviews, that will probably never be seen in a Nissan NA showroom floor.
Why don't they at try bring the Silvia and Skyline to some North American car shows to see what kind of response they get from the press and the public. That's how companies like VW found out that their new Beetle would go over BIG in the USA.
GIVE US THE CHANCE TO CHOOSE!


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You can't not be more straight! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif you sounds like a Magnum 357 booom,booom! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

[RPS13]

I think the S13 and S14 have the same amount of power. They were both rated at 155 HP. The S14 might be a little heavier, but I'm not positive on this. I also think the S14 has more low end torque.

I don't know if all these sports car are the solution to Nissan problems. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see them come to the US. But, there doesn't seem to be too big of a demand for them. Of course we would buy them, but most people need sedans and miniwagons and SUVs. If you get a sports car, you will probaly need another car, especially if you have kids. Another factor is also insurance. All these turbos and sport cars are gonna up the prices on insurance. And for the people on the East coast and other areas that get snow in the winter, the RWD cars might be tricky for the average Joe to drive when the weather gets bad. Not only that, but RWD and AWD sports car always seem to sacrifice passenger and cargo space. Especially rear seat room. Most of these of these new "sports cars" from Japan are FWD now. I guess that negates some of the negative effects(of course some of the positives also) of a RWD sports car. People think about the snow ball effect that these sports cars will have on Nissan's image and will bring shoppers into the showroom. I guess that might work, but they will still need to have other products in their line up. They have to keep the sedans, trucks, and SUVs coming cause that seems to be where the moneys at. A few years back, even with the 200SX and 240SX, Nissan sales were still slumping. Sports cars in general have been taking a beating the last few years. Well, it seems to have tapered off with the introduction of new models and the resurrection of a few dead ones, but they're not out of the woods yet. Luckily, Nissan seems to be doing a lot better now even without a sports car. Of course there should be at least one for us single guys and gals and racers.

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I think if Nissan is intelligent, why not make a limited production for the US?;aSilvia Spec R aero with the ATTESA system ,(Left hand drive of course) ,I think that would meet the consumer requirements http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif

[JonCarson]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HonduhToyoKiller!:
I think if Nissan is intelligent, why not make a limited production for the US?;aSilvia Spec R aero with the ATTESA system ,(Left hand drive of course) ,I think that would meet the consumer requirements http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ATTESA is Nissan's AWD system used in the Skyline GT-R and new Infiniti QX4. The S15 is such an extremely well balanced car, I highly doubt that AWD would do anything to improve it. It'd just weigh it down.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RPS13:
For the people on the East coast and other areas that get snow in the winter, the RWD cars might be tricky for the average Joe to drive when the weather gets bad.

Well [b]Carsonjon that;s is what I'm talking about, http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/tongue.gifwith the ATTESA AWDsystem all the people in the U.S. can enjoyed ,this awesome machine(S15 Silvia) http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carsonjon:
ATTESA is Nissan's AWD system used in the Skyline GT-R and new Infiniti QX4. The S15 is such an extremely well balanced car, I highly doubt that AWD would do anything to improve it. It'd just weigh it down.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't you think? the Skyline ATTESA system is part of is super handling and excellent balanced chassis ,Just Imagine a SILVIA with the ATTESA too http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif ,this can help for the winter too,for those who live in Canada or somewhere else that the winter come's down.. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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The Silvia is an awesome machine without the ATTESA.

We're having enough difficulty convincing Nissan to send this wonderful machine over as it is--a 250hp, Turbo-charged, FR work of engineering beauty.

Nissan did send the S13 and S14 to us with their excellent chassis, but they pulled the fantastic 2.0 liter Turbo SR20DET and look what's become of the cars--uninspiring power, poor sales, and little appreciation led to the ultimate removal of the 240SX from Nissan's North American lineup.

Now you want to ask Nissan to engineer a version of the S15 with ATTESA AWD to send to us? Let's not push it....

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I really dont think making Nissan into a "sports car" company is a good idea. Especially in today's market place where sports car sales equate to such a small portion of the pie. There is simply no room for another sports car or two in Nissan's line-up, EXCEPT for the new Z. (I just hope they get it right) That car they need desperately, I just cant believe they're waiting so long to introduce it. IT MAKES ME CRAZY!! Just think of all the sales they're loosing to people who are buying Honda S2000's and BMW Z3's. Its bloody shame! Shame on you, shame on you Nissan for waiting so long to introduce your new models.

Consequently a whole new Z cannot save Nissan alone. By the time the new Z hits showroom floors across the states, it'll be time to give their vehicles a refreshening. Something reflecting a new energetic Nissan would be great. Not something like what they did with the current Sentra. That was a mistake. Marketing this car as a trendy performer was a mistake, I dont care who you are. It's not trendy, its not a performer. Thats why you see so many Civics leaving the showroom floor in comparison to the number of Sentras leaving the showroom floor.

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I thought S2000's were in limited productionof like only 5000 to 10,000.

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But they'll probabably return to BMW or Honda when it's time to get a new car. I really think they are creating the new Z car for us Nissan enthusiasts, but I think it needs to bring some of the undecided buyers to the Nissan fold as well. That is why time is so precious.

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I've heard that Honda S2000 sales (in Japan, at least) have been going down for some time now. Appearently, Honda didn't give it enough low-rev torque to please city folk. That's a mistake that can cost them immediate sales revenue and so much more.

Nissan can't afford to make any similar mistakes, so while I agree that they shouldn't take too long to release the car, they need enough time to get it just right.

Patience, is indeed a virtue...

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Could Nissan use New Tech brakes on there sport versions? Or make available as performance components! See http://www.newtech-ibs.com/
I visited the R&D shop and was verry impressed! Theyre supposed to have Porsches equiped with there brakes that are racing at this time.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
Something reflecting a new energetic Nissan would be great. Not something like what they did with the current Sentra. That was a mistake. Marketing this car as a trendy performer was a mistake, I dont care who you are. It's not trendy, its not a performer. Thats why you see so many Civics leaving the showroom floor in comparison to the number of Sentras leaving the showroom floor. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree. To an extent. The styling of the Sentra does not scream cutting edge. But the mechanics are there. The 145hp engine is top of the class. I think the marketing/advertising was/is smart. There's a connection to Maxima that seems to energize the whole sedan line-up. I don't see how Nissan could have pitched the Sentra as the sensible/value choice. It brings it down into Daewooville -- and once you're fighting the Koreans, Nissan will lose on price.

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Yeah, that is true, but something needs to be done!!! On another note, I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if we all could get together in some kind of marketing study put together by Nissan?? You know get a sneak peek at whats up and coming, voice our opinions on what should or shouldnt be. Wouldnt that be great?? Thats another thing I'd tell them execs over at Nissan http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif Let me, I mean WE in!!!

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I'd be up for that http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif They should hire all of us. Aaahh the things I could do there http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
Yeah, that is true, but something needs to be done!!! On another note, I was thinking, wouldn't it be great if we all could get together in some kind of marketing study put together by Nissan?? You know get a sneak peek at whats up and coming, voice our opinions on what should or shouldnt be. Wouldnt that be great?? Thats another thing I'd tell them execs over at Nissan http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif Let me, I mean WE in!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Nissan complains that the sales are not as strong as they would like it. But when they have something that has a good reputation they do not use it!
The Skyline is recognized as a top sport car, why can't the rest of the world help keep Nissan's reputation. It's verry respected by tuners world wide, use that! An AWD sport car is the only way to go in Canada.
Just look at what is available, Sentra, Altima, Maxima, 240sx. Nothing good to survive during winter, people go for Audi, and even Subaru for a fun car to drive all year.
Send over Skyline's and/or AWD Maxima's(3.5l) and then we will be talking. Meanwhile I'll just keep on regreting not having chosen the Maxima SE to at lease have VLSD. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif

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I almost forgot, whit the new Sentra you could give Honda a good kick in the nose (mater of speach). Have you ever touhgt about a Sentra with a S/C to kick the si-r. The Sentra hase more torque and more potential!

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All of you have valid points.
I want Nissan to stop bring watered-down version of cars if they are ever going to import any cars from Japan, possibly Silvia and Skyline. I have 90 (watered down 180SX)240SX and love it except its lack of power.With US economic boom AND strong US currency, US consumers have the strongest buying power in the world. We are willing to spend more on cars than 10 years ago. Is it hard to pass US emmision test with those turbos or what?
I just don't get it. :confused

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The economy might be strong right now, but it is slowing. Regardless of that, people are spending more money on cars today which is true, but they arent buying expensive sports cars. They are buying SUVs. Which in my opinion has become the luxury item of today. Sports cars sort of lost their charm in the 90s which makes it very hard for them to compete in the 00s. Not too many people are willing to spend the big bucks for the sports car because the same amount can buy them a nice SUV. Dont aske me why people think that way, they just do. That is simply what people want, a big expensive SUV. For a sports car to be successful today it needs to be competitivly priced against the SUVs. Thats why you see so many mid priced droptops like the M roadster and S2000. Both sell for about 40 grand, but neither go much OVER 40 grand. That is pretty much the limit most people are willing go when spending money on a luxury item. Any more would be too expensive, (remember we're talking about a play toy) any less and it would be too cheap to be considered a luxury item.

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I think one of the main reasons people buy SUVs, Minivans etc is because they have lots o room compared to sedans and sports cars. I think the consumer compares the size o the vehicle too. If consumers saw a ford Expedition next to a s2000 at the dealership and they both cost the same. Most would buy the expeiditon. They just don't feel the price for the other vehicle is justified.

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Dont aske me why people think that way, they just do. That is simply what people want, a big expensive SUV<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Max Ima]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
The economy might be strong right now, but it is slowing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think this is a key point. As the economy slows, Nissan needs to think about where the revenue is going to come from. It will be a disaster to launch a full-size suv during a time of austerity -- unless it offered some kind of super fuel-efficient/hybrid engine. Even then, the perception of an suv may not be what it is today. So Nissan execs, what's next?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Max Ima:
So Nissan execs, what's next? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think to answer that question we should all get together with Nissan and brain storm for a while with all their executives, marketing people, and design personnel. You know, throw all our ideas out and have a sketch artist put them down on paper http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif Tell me thats not a good idea!!!

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Ok moderators, it' time for you guys to pick up the gauntlet and make a few calls.
We are all waiting impatiently....

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Well, if not meeting with Nissan Brass, participating in a design study or briefing at an open house would be the next best thing. Anyone willing to participate or make the journey let me know, I'm curious as to how many people out there would actually do such a thing http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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While I do not entirely agree that we need to meet with all levels of design/marketing/etc., I think an open house at Nissan HQ would be an excellent idea. I would not even be oject to driving down to NDI. It would actually be fun to see the birthplace of my baby J. Ok, so what we need to do is convince Nissan to throw a big open house; something along the line of those Saturn events. Just not as lame.

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Wouldn't that create some brand loyalty? . . . Just like those cheesy Saturn events. Some guy here I know is the biggest Saturn fan that I know, and he doesn't miss any of their gatherings. Even if they made us provide our own way down. I'd be more than willing to go. Plus, that would definitely gain some good publicity in the media--for free.

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I'd shout angrily and demand a rerelease of the pulsar. Well, no i wouldn't...but it'd sure be nice if they were more popular..i'd love to actually be able to find aftermarket parts for an 89 nissan pulsar nx

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carsonjon:
I believe Passat shares with Audi A6, not the A4.

And on the other topic...
The XVL will be Nissan's choice FR sport sedan to aim squarely at BMW 3-series and Lexus I30. What would be the purpose of a Maxima that's also a sporty FR sedan?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do we know yet how well the XVL will perform, is the question. My mind is also that maybe people actually preferred some of the older models (or names that hark to the older legendary Nissans) than the newer ones, if only for loyalty and proven track history of older models, compared to less satisfication from many newer ones. Z-car, Skyline, the continuous call for 'Pulsars'(70-80's) inspite of or instead of 'Almeras'(90's all bear witness. Rather then, have Nissan keep the Maxima type as a main model in its lineup -just continue remodernising and strenghtening its already improved performance- and let the XVL best develop it's own following. Maybe it will in time hang on as well!
If any model replacement moves are reqired, there are far other worthy candidates anyway in Nissan's lineup!



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[Infiniti]

The XVL is for Infiniti, not Nissan.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nizmo:
I think Nissan Executives should consider themselves very fortunate to have such an enthusistic group of loyal followers of Nissan cars. I also think that this site and especially this forum is a valuable resource for Nissan, because it proves that they once did something right and might still be doing somthing right. Although most consumers might follow the hype, and read "standard generic" car magazines for the information when choosing a car there are those of us who are very passionate about our automobiles and especially our Nissans. So although a majority of consumers fail to see the underlying pleasures of owning and driving a Nissan, there are a few of us who are educated enough to appreciate Nissan cars for what they offer. The fact that this forum is comprised of individuals who like and will stand by their Nissans for a variety of reasons, means that Nissan executives out there could find out exactly what is critically wrong with his or her product and be assured that it is an educated and a rather passionately motivated complaint instead someone's idle **********in. Using this information they would be able to refine the product (in this case the car) and be able to forge a strong brand identity using this forum as first as a stepping stone then as a guide.

I would also like to point out that althought Nissan might be struggling in the commercial market, there are those of us, a minority nonetheless that do believe that their cars are worth buying. But why we buy those Nissans I don't know. I do know that most people generally buy Toyota's because of their reliablity reputation, folks generally buy Hondas because of their boy racer looks (which is waning I think), BMWs are bought because of their sporty ride, look, and feel. But why are Nissans being bought? I guess what I am trying to say is the image I think Nissan has is a sort of subtle eccletic one. I personally think the people who buy Nissans are eighter the educated, hardline car enthusistists or someone who just wants a basic "cheap" ride. Nissan which group do you want, supposing you can't have them all?

BTW if Nissan is looking for a college educated 22 year who absolutely loves their cars for any sort of work I am available.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very well said, but I think I have to point out a few things. First off, they've been doing a very good job at getting people's attention lately. Just look at the new Maxima, it's great!! It is the example all other Nissan vehicles should follow. The new Sentra and Frontier have failed to live up to their full potential. The Sentra is too bland, while the Frontier struggles with an identity of it's own. Even it's recent redesign has left me wondering. I had high hopes for Nissan, unfortunatly they continue to dissapoint. I guess you cant please everybody, I think I'll go buy a new Volkswagen. I cant afford a new Maxima, and I dont want an SUV.

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Well you'll only get as far as a Golf http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
Very well said, but I think I have to point out a few things. First off, they've been doing a very good job at getting people's attention lately. Just look at the new Maxima, it's great!! It is the example all other Nissan vehicles should follow. The new Sentra and Frontier have failed to live up to their full potential. The Sentra is too bland, while the Frontier struggles with an identity of it's own. Even it's recent redesign has left me wondering. I had high hopes for Nissan, unfortunatly they continue to dissapoint. I guess you cant please everybody, I think I'll go buy a new Volkswagen. I cant afford a new Maxima, and I dont want an SUV. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I think Nissan Executives should consider themselves very fortunate to have such an enthusistic group of loyal followers of Nissan cars. I also think that this site and especially this forum is a valuable resource for Nissan, because it proves that they once did something right and might still be doing somthing right. Although most consumers might follow the hype, and read "standard generic" car magazines for the information when choosing a car there are those of us who are very passionate about our automobiles and especially our Nissans. So although a majority of consumers fail to see the underlying pleasures of owning and driving a Nissan, there are a few of us who are educated enough to appreciate Nissan cars for what they offer. The fact that this forum is comprised of individuals who like and will stand by their Nissans for a variety of reasons, means that Nissan executives out there could find out exactly what is critically wrong with his or her product and be assured that it is an educated and a rather passionately motivated complaint instead someone's idle **********in. Using this information they would be able to refine the product (in this case the car) and be able to forge a strong brand identity using this forum as first as a stepping stone then as a guide.

I would also like to point out that althought Nissan might be struggling in the commercial market, there are those of us, a minority nonetheless that do believe that their cars are worth buying. But why we buy those Nissans I don't know. I do know that most people generally buy Toyota's because of their reliablity reputation, folks generally buy Hondas because of their boy racer looks (which is waning I think), BMWs are bought because of their sporty ride, look, and feel. But why are Nissans being bought? I guess what I am trying to say is the image I think Nissan has is a sort of subtle eccletic one. I personally think the people who buy Nissans are eighter the educated, hardline car enthusistists or someone who just wants a basic "cheap" ride. Nissan which group do you want, supposing you can't have them all?

BTW if Nissan is looking for a college educated 22 year who absolutely loves their cars for any sort of work I am available.

[sonnym]

I would tell the executives at Nissan to, either not discontinue the G20 or replace it with another comparable model. And this is why I think this is so, atleast from a Canadian perspective.

1. Acura is kicking ass with the 1.6EL, apparently they can't keep them on the lot. Even though it is nothing more than a Civic with leather. But then again, Acura does have that excellent marketing agency.

2. Lexus does not have a similar model in their line up, atleast not yet. I think this is a great oppertunity for Infiniti to get a loyal young following. To make a long story short "IF THEY CAN OWN IT, THEY WILL UNDERSTAND". Just like the rest of us, who actually do own Infiniti's.

3. For the money, the G20 has the best list of features. Show me another car with such styling, class, features and dealer service excellence for the same price and I will be in line to buy it.

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Now for the improvements that Infiniti needs to do, to not only sell the G20, but other models as well.

1. Advertise your models beyond the first 3 months of new product launchs. A company can make the best cars in the world, which Infiniti is getting close to doing, but it does not mean much if no one knows you exist. The G20 has been out since 1998, but I can't recall the last time I saw any type of advertising for it.

2. Give the G20 a much needed power boost, 25 - 30 more horses would greatly improve the numbers. Paying $30,000 (Canadian) for a car, but still having to wait 17 seconds to do a 1/4 mile is damn right embarrasing. Infiniti might as well give away bumper stickers that read "Sucker!".

3. Platform sharing may be a necessity, but atleast give Infiniti's a complete different look than their Nissan sibling. Congrats on making exterior of the I30 unique, but the interior needs a little work. The I30 needs an interior, especially the center console, that looks nothing like the one on the Maxima.

4. Infiniti should stop sharing technology with Nissan, especially the technology that brings people into the Infinit showroom not Nissans. The auto 4WD system from the QX4 and the Exhaust from the I30 would be a great example. Why would sane people pay thousands more to buy Infiniti's if the same features are available for less in the Nissan showrooms. Infiniti is not at that level, atleast for now, where the name alone will sell the product.

5. The t model designation should mean a little more than just styling changes. The t should stand for more power. So that when regular Infiniti buyers see your backend as you pass them, they know why you spent the extra thousands.

6. Last thing: For the love of God stick to an idea longer than a couple years, so that people can actually relate to it. The waterfall grill was just starting to create a brand identity and already it is being discontinued. The grill on the new Q45 just simply does not scream luxuary, but then again it is hard to do that when it looks like something that Hyunday designed for their $12,000 car.

The lease on my current G20 expires in 2002 and if there is not another similar model in the Infiniti model line up, I too will be forced to go to the competition. Despite my love for Infiniti's.

Regards,

Sonny

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Very good discussion going on I must say.
Here's my take on what I would like to see, from a performance stand point.
Take a R35, keep the RB26, if not the RB-X, as well as the AWD setup, hey, why mess with a good thing? Keep it a 2+2 setup, we want 4 people in the car not two. HP in the 450-475 range, weight in the 3100-3250lb range. Keep it simple, (aka just enough luxury to satisfy, not tacky) Price range of 60-65k and let this be the Viper, Vette, Cobra, and whatever Germany can muster killer. Too me, that would make a statement as far as a performance stand point is concerned. I know it would make a huge impact on the performance aftermarket, not too mention what is already available. Be a leader not a follower.
Just my O2's worth.

[This message has been edited by RUQWKNF (edited 10-11-2000).]

[2HD]

This is for marketing. I have to say I like the Driven ads for the most part especially the ones in the beginning of the year, but now they're getting to be kind of "forgetable".

What I really want to say is the ads all have one type of music and seem to be geared towards a particular group of people. I know Nissan is not the only company who does this in their advertising but many other companies have made a better effort in trying to make their ads pertain to many other types of people. Instead of just using rock and alternative music in most of their commercials and showing people snow boarding or kayaking. They could use hip hop, rap, r&b, latino, or pop music etc in their commercials. I know VW has caught on to this so has Honda to some extent. I think if they did this sales would be a lot better. A more variety of people would come to the showrooms.

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Actually two things Mr. Ghosn. 1) Bring back a REAL Z car, not the garbage that Toyota pulled with the MR2. 2)You should also think about offering the SC engine in a 2wd, short bed, reg. cab 5spd, this would be a seriously quick truck!

['87 Sentra]

1) Give us a Z with a twin turbo option. People will pay the premium if they want the extra performance.

2) Give us an Altima with real presence, not the forgivable one that we have right now.

3) Give us the Sentra SE-R soon with a different back, maybe similar to the Bluebird Sylphy and with a great power to wight ratio 200hp+. Maybe a turbo option like the Xtrail...

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 2HD:
Well you'll only get as far as a Golf http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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What's wrong with a VR6 Golf??

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Read this: http://www.auto.com/autonews/levin31_20001031.htm

Unfortunately, very significant percent of people in the US are not drivers, they are idiotic consumers. They can barely keep up in a straight line in sunny weather, so what can I say about curves in rain ? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif They are just incompetent, and blame their inability on "evil corporations" if something goes wrong.

In order to make the roads safer, hire someone of the car magazines or driving schools and make a video with tips and tricks of SUV driving. Give it away for free with each Xterra/Pathfinder/Frontier sold; even mail it to everyone who purchased these vehicles in the last three to four years.

It will be more than a good publicity or shielding against vultures in law; it will be a step toward safer roads.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

1st off I would say that Infinti needs an infusion...

Infiniti should have more RWD cars than Fwd cars....how many FWD BMW and Mercedes are there???

The G20 is slow....and change it to a rwd platform...like an IS300. Make it into a BMW series fighter, or better yet, a BMW killer!

Give these cars real transmission choices... 6 speed manuals (no tiptronic crap-unless it is put on the automatics) and 5 speed automatics for the shiftless...NEVER make an Automatic standard equipment....

Give Infiniti a coupe....even Nissan needs one!

Give Infiniti the Skyline models here in the U.S. PLEASE!

Change the I30! It is too much MAxima! It has the same exact profile! At least change the rear door to change the c-pillar from the Max's!!!! It needs to be more of it's own car...

I am awaiting the next Q. Looks like they are back on track performance-wise....but the styling??? I just have to wait to see one in person....but if the car DRIVES well and kicks butt....

Get onto your dealerships...no longer allow cross selling...like Nissan/Buick dealerships...each Nissan lot to be self sufficeint and free standing from others. In it's own building and its very own service dept. No more brand sharing.
Improve customer service...Sales practices suck and keep dealership employee turnover down... hire and keep loyal employees...I would like to see the same people twice once in a while.

That is it for starters....

PS - The Nissan televison advertising campaign is GREAT!!! Keep it Rockin'! Keep that performance image going forward!

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I would tell them:

HELLO? NO ONE likes to wait FOUR MONTHS to get a factory ordered truck, especially when more than half of it is made in the US! If you order a domestic brand you have to wait six to eight weeks. But no, Nissan takes FOUR MONTHS!?!?!

As you can all tell I am patiently into my third month of waiting for my Frontier and my dealer has yet to receive a VIN for a truck that will be assembled a few scant hours away from where I live. I'm counting the days...

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Hammerman, what the heck have you done? i'd say you've created quite a topic for everybody.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by idle573:
Hammerman, what the heck have you done? i'd say you've created quite a topic for everybody. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've created a monster!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

[thearabian]

I would like to tell them to pass the message along to the stylists:

please, at least put black honeycomb grilles on ALL the SE versions on Nissans

[JonCarson]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
I would like to tell them to pass the message along to the stylists:

please, at least put black honeycomb grilles on ALL the SE versions on Nissans<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry. I know it's "Each to his own," but I never did like those honeycomb grills.
Black mesh, like that found on GT-Rs in Japan is nice though.

[thearabian]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carsonjon:
Sorry. I know it's "Each to his own," but I never did like those honeycomb grills.
Black mesh, like that found on GT-Rs in Japan is nice though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i agree too that mesh grilles are nicer, but maybe they would look too sporty for the avg buyer? i'm not sure though...

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From what I've seen their stylists are getting better. I do however have one complaint, what's up with the current Sentra?? U-G-L-Y-!!

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I WANT THEM TO STOP USING GENERAL TIRES ON NEW CARS. THE GENERALS ARE REALLY BAD.

:EEK: :MAD: :EEK:

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marc95GXE:
Nissan complains that the sales are not as strong as they would like it. But when they have something that has a good reputation they do not use it!
The Skyline is recognized as a top sport car, why can't the rest of the world help keep Nissan's reputation. It's verry respected by tuners world wide, use that! An AWD sport car is the only way to go in Canada.
Just look at what is available, Sentra, Altima, Maxima, 240sx. Nothing good to survive during winter, people go for Audi, and even Subaru for a fun car to drive all year.
Send over Skyline's and/or AWD Maxima's(3.5l) and then we will be talking. Meanwhile I'll just keep on regreting not having chosen the Maxima SE to at lease have VLSD. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

NISSAN, DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WITH ALTIMA! If sales don't make it in the USA, it doesnt mean they wont do elsewhere!
...And vise versa!
Yes, Nissan does have a way of blowing away opportunities, or worse make unmitigated mis-choices, it makes you fear! My most sorry cases:
-The 2000 Maxima: should have been a clear all-round winner in midsize- missed out such opportunities here (Europe-Scandinavia) where the USA version was ideal, instead the MAXIMA QX (Infiniti i30/Cefiro)was sent over!
-New Almera: Attempt at Golf/Focus but with what ugly looks? In November Nissan was the worst performer here (Norway), with monthly sales down to half (http://www.addressavisen.no/). Even Hyundai was better! Just say 'Almera'.
-Primera: If I had my way, you wouldn't have seen but the best effort with this - it had such good going for it ; style, performance, quality,etc. Yet the current 2000 make-up instead makes one feel a bit cheated again. Hopefully the upcoming new (Fusion-based) model will make up for harm done.

Granted, market expectations vary from place to place, but for Nissan it's really simply a question of making the right choices.
Classic models as Skyline, Sentra, Pulsar/Bluebird are all there proven sale material, and now add the new Maxima and Altima, you're not going to get more reputable or sales worthy. YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES, USE IT!

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Correct link : http://www.adresseavisen.no/ or http://www.adressa.no/nyttig/bil-og-motor/ . Norwegian, unfortunately , but hope
can find other source if interested.

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LOWER THE PRICE OF THIER SPARES £1400 FOR A ABS MODULE!!!!!!!!!!(my cars only worth £5000)

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CVT:
NISSAN, DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE WITH ALTIMA! If sales don't make it in the USA, it doesnt mean they wont do elsewhere!
...And vise versa!
Yes, Nissan does have a way of blowing away opportunities, or worse make unmitigated mis-choices, it makes you fear! My most sorry cases:
-The 2000 Maxima: should have been a clear all-round winner in midsize- missed out such opportunities here (Europe-Scandinavia) where the USA version was ideal, instead the MAXIMA QX (Infiniti i30/Cefiro)was sent over!
-New Almera: Attempt at Golf/Focus but with what ugly looks? In November Nissan was the worst performer here (Norway), with monthly sales down to half (http://www.addressavisen.no/). Even Hyundai was better! Just say 'Almera'.
-Primera: If I had my way, you wouldn't have seen but the best effort with this - it had such good going for it ; style, performance, quality,etc. Yet the current 2000 make-up instead makes one feel a bit cheated again. Hopefully the upcoming new (Fusion-based) model will make up for harm done.

Granted, market expectations vary from place to place, but for Nissan it's really simply a question of making the right choices.
Classic models as Skyline, Sentra, Pulsar/Bluebird are all there proven sale material, and now add the new Maxima and Altima, you're not going to get more reputable or sales worthy. YOU HAVE WHAT IT TAKES, USE IT! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100% with what you are saying, the Euro Maxima is a mistake that never should have happened. I'm quite sure that if they had made the Euro and US Maximas the same they would have a much better chance at selling them in the UK. I've read the reports in Car, and they (like me) were not impressed with the Euro Max at all. Most of their concerns stem from the styling of the car.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

what's the Euro Max look like?? Any pictures?

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The UK Maxima is dull, and sales were not helped by the BBC's motoring program Top Gear giving it only 5 out of 10. Unfortunatly Nissan just hasn't got the image for executive cars in the UK, they would have to do somting pretty special to overhaul BMW/Merc/Jaguar and even Lexus.

But on a lighter note their image for hot hatches and sports models such as the R34 Skyline is well intact probably because in the UK we are the only other counrty apart from Japan to have the R34 officailly imported by Nissan plus we dont have any silly power restriction law like Japan

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I have two words for Nissan if they wish to singlehandedly revive the sports car market in North America:
SILVIA and SKYLINE.


I mean come on now, the cars are already built and designed! All you have to do is bring them to US spec and you'll have a mountain of enthusiasts loyal to the Nissan brand again!

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I think Nissan should do this:

Sentra - standard 1.8L I4 126 hp, optional 2.0L I4 145 hp (change rear-end styling, maybe more like Pulsar/overseas Sentra?)
Altima - standard 2.5L I4 170 hp, optional 3.0L V6 225 hp (design is fine as is, make interior very VW/Mondeo-like)
Maxima - standard 3.0L V6 240 hp, optional supercharged or turbocharged 3.0L V6 270 hp (change rear-end styling?)

Xtrail - standard 2.5L I4 170 hp, optional 3.0L V6 225 hp (competes with Highlander, Escape -- use AWD, or some trick 4WD system, no shift on the fly system)
Xterra - standard 3.3L V6 170 hp, optional supercharged 3.3L V6 210 hp (keep it back to basics, maybe introduce soft-top version?)
Frontier - replace VG33E with detuned-for-regular-fuel VQ35DE 215 hp? (remove weird-looking rivets, or do not make wheel flares ugly black plastic on XE)
Pathfinder - standard 3.5L V6 240 hp (increase rear legroom)
full-size truck - standard 3.5L V6 (detuned for regular fuel) 215 hp?, optional 5.0L V8 300 hp (same size as domestics, no smaller-size like Tundra -- Extended/Regular cab, and short/long bed variants for customization, also make it look tough like 01 Frontier)
full-size SUV - standard 5.0L V8 300 hp
Quest - standard 3.5L V6 240 hp (make it big like Odyssey, add some innovative features like QuestTrac seating)

Silvia - standard 2.0L I4 180 hp, optional turbo 2.0L I4 250 hp (power of Mustang/Celica, reliability of Nissan)
Z - standard 3.5L V6 300 hp (offer T-top or convertible version)

Infiniti:

XVL - standard 3.0L V6 240 hp, optional 3.5L V6 270 hp, T version 3.5L V6 300 hp
I30 - standard 3.5L V6 265 hp, T version 3.5L V6 300 hp (restyle C-pillar to look more like rest of Infiniti lineup, different interior than Maxima)
GS competitor - standard 3.5L V6 300 hp, optional 4.5L V8 340 hp, T version 4.5L V8 400 hp (give many XVL/Q styling cues for heritage, make manual available in V8 and V6)
M35/45 - metal folding-top convertible, standard 3.5L V6 300 hp, optional 4.5L V8 340 hp, T version 4.5L V8 400 hp (make manual available in V8 and V6)
Q45 - standard 4.5L V8 340 hp, T version 4.5L V8 400 hp

QX4 - car-based SUV -- standard 3.5L V6 250 hp, optional 4.5L V8 325 hp (off I30 platform, standard AWD, third-row seating like MDX)
QX8? (fullsize SUV) - standard 5.0L V8 350 hp

Skyline - standard twin-turbo 3.5L V8 400+ hp (to attract car enthusiasts into Infiniti showrooms)

If no engine similarities, and there is some differentiation in interiors, etc., I'd say this would work rather well.

[Infiniti]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy714:
I think Nissan should do this:

Sentra - standard 1.8L I4 126 hp, optional 2.0L I4 145 hp (change rear-end styling, maybe more like Pulsar/overseas Sentra?)
Altima - standard 2.5L I4 170 hp, optional 3.0L V6 225 hp (design is fine as is, make interior very VW/Mondeo-like)
Maxima - standard 3.0L V6 240 hp, optional supercharged or turbocharged 3.0L V6 270 hp (change rear-end styling?)

Xtrail - standard 2.5L I4 170 hp, optional 3.0L V6 225 hp (competes with Highlander, Escape -- use AWD, or some trick 4WD system, no shift on the fly system)
Xterra - standard 3.3L V6 170 hp, optional supercharged 3.3L V6 210 hp (keep it back to basics, maybe introduce soft-top version?)
Frontier - replace VG33E with detuned-for-regular-fuel VQ35DE 215 hp? (remove weird-looking rivets, or do not make wheel flares ugly black plastic on XE)
Pathfinder - standard 3.5L V6 240 hp (increase rear legroom)
full-size truck - standard 3.5L V6 (detuned for regular fuel) 215 hp?, optional 5.0L V8 300 hp (same size as domestics, no smaller-size like Tundra -- Extended/Regular cab, and short/long bed variants for customization, also make it look tough like 01 Frontier)
full-size SUV - standard 5.0L V8 300 hp
Quest - standard 3.5L V6 240 hp (make it big like Odyssey, add some innovative features like QuestTrac seating)

Silvia - standard 2.0L I4 180 hp, optional turbo 2.0L I4 250 hp (power of Mustang/Celica, reliability of Nissan)
Z - standard 3.5L V6 300 hp (offer T-top or convertible version)

Infiniti:

XVL - standard 3.0L V6 240 hp, optional 3.5L V6 270 hp, T version 3.5L V6 300 hp
I30 - standard 3.5L V6 265 hp, T version 3.5L V6 300 hp (restyle C-pillar to look more like rest of Infiniti lineup, different interior than Maxima)
GS competitor - standard 3.5L V6 300 hp, optional 4.5L V8 340 hp, T version 4.5L V8 400 hp (give many XVL/Q styling cues for heritage, make manual available in V8 and V6)
M35/45 - metal folding-top convertible, standard 3.5L V6 300 hp, optional 4.5L V8 340 hp, T version 4.5L V8 400 hp (make manual available in V8 and V6)
Q45 - standard 4.5L V8 340 hp, T version 4.5L V8 400 hp

QX4 - car-based SUV -- standard 3.5L V6 250 hp, optional 4.5L V8 325 hp (off I30 platform, standard AWD, third-row seating like MDX)
QX8? (fullsize SUV) - standard 5.0L V8 350 hp

Skyline - standard twin-turbo 3.5L V8 400+ hp (to attract car enthusiasts into Infiniti showrooms)

If no engine similarities, and there is some differentiation in interiors, etc., I'd say this would work rather well.

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I think the I30 should get a 3.2 engine and a that engine only. Give it 250hp or 260hp and thats good. To have everything either 3.0, 3.5 and 4.5 is not good/. You need something in between 3.0 and 3.5. And due to the money situation, I think one coupe is nessecary- The Skyline. As for the QX8 and QX4, sounds pretty good to me. It seems like ina few years, 400hp will be nothin. All Nissans and Infiniti are going to have tons of power, just look at what they are doing with their engines!

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I have been reading these forums for a while now and it seems that Nissans problems stem from the US's own attitudes towards cars, if US drivers would have been more open to change then your 240sx's would be going 0 - 60 in a snail like 8 seconds, instead of the European and Japanese 200sx of 6.7 standard.

It is such a shame that the US misses out on all the best models.

200sx 0 - 60 6.7s 145mph
Sunny/Pulsar GtiR 0 - 60 5.6 140mph
Skyline 0 - 60 5.4 155mph restricted
Did the US get the 300ZX twin turbo?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Infiniti:

I think the I30 should get a 3.2 engine and a that engine only. Give it 250hp or 260hp and thats good. To have everything either 3.0, 3.5 and 4.5 is not good/. You need something in between 3.0 and 3.5. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A 3.2L engine would definitely be a good for the XVL and perhaps a base engine for a GS competitor. But MB already is putting a 3.2 in its cars, so it would probably be better to "one-up" them by putting a larger and more powerful 3.5 in Infiniti's competing models. The 3.2 in the I30 would put it right up there with TL, but putting a 3.5 will allow it to have more power than Acura. My plan is under the assumption that no new engines would be built (except for the truck V8 and the detuned VQ35).

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And due to the money situation, I think one coupe is nessecary- The Skyline. As for the QX8 and QX4, sounds pretty good to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As for the Skyline/M coupe thing, I think the Skyline should be just an image enhancer, like the NSX or S2000, sold in limited quantities. The M35 or M45 would be the main bread-and-butter coupe, kind of like the CL for Acura (NSX is the image car) or the CLK for Mercedes (CL would be the image car I guess). But like you said, it may be better to put that off until the trucks and other hot sellers get some money in the bank.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>It seems like ina few years, 400hp will be nothin. All Nissans and Infiniti are going to have tons of power, just look at what they are doing with their engines!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course, that's the reason why I put the "+" after the 400 hp comment. http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
There's a lot of things we could suggest that would change the way things work over at Nissan. Most of their problems in my opinion stem from their lineup. Most of their cars aside from the Maxima are dull and boring. The real exciting ones like the Silvia and Skyline arent even sold in the US. Not that bringing the Skyline or Silvia over here would cure all their problems. You have to realize the sports car market in the US has taken a backseat to the SUV explosion. As a result sports car sales have plummeted, and to say the least have not recovered. The new Altima is a breath of fresh air, if only they could have done something about the Sentra before it was released. Great cars go beyond great looks, if a car looks good, then it might as well perform good too. (Please excuse my bad english) Take for instance the Sentra SE. Decent car, but it's no SE-R to say the least. Bottom line, put the excitement in both looks and performance back into the Nissan lineup and I'm sure you'll see a fair amount of change, not to mention a whole lot more Nissans out on the road.
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I think one other thing with the Sentra may be its image. Previous Sentras were reliable, but not very exciting except for the SE and SE-R models. For example, the Ford Escort was an OK car as well, but it really had no reputation, like the Civic for being fuel-efficient, or the Corolla for being reliable. The Focus is a completely different car from the Escort, and it has a different name as well to further the differentiation. Maybe naming the 00 Sentra something like Almera or Primera would show how much of an improved car it is. I think if the Focus had still be named Escort, not as many people would have even considered it.

With regard to sports car, they should be mainly in place to enhance image, not really as a profit maker. That is where trucks will come into play. Nissan obviously wouldn't be bringing in 100000 Silvias but having 10-20000 couldn't hurt. You could make 15000 of them base models in order to make some profit, and bring in like 1000-5000 Spec Rs to get the car enthusiasts and potential buyers into the showrooms. Kinda like the Isuzu Vehicross, but without the hideous styling http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR> A 3.2L engine would definitely be a good for the XVL and perhaps a base engine for a GS competitor. But MB already is putting a 3.2 in its cars, so it would probably be better to "one-up" them by putting a larger and more powerful 3.5 in Infiniti's competing models. The 3.2 in the I30 would put it right up there with TL, but putting a 3.5 will allow it to have more power than Acura. My plan is under the assumption that no new engines would be built (except for the truck V8 and the detuned VQ35).
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Um...the current I30 has a 3.0 liter engine while the TL has a 3.2 liter engine and the I30 still has more power. Simply adding more liters is usless because it consumes more fuel. If power is the main objective, than give every car the 4.5 liter V8, but since fuel economy and cleanlyness is also a factor, keeping the liters down is improtant. I think 2.8 and 3.0 liters is good for the XVL and 3.2 or 3.3 is good for the I30. For the GS/5 series competitor, 3.5 and 4.0 is good to me.

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They've got Infiniti's lineup all wrong. The I30 should be the bottom of the line model, not the G20. The G20 shouldnt even be in the Infiniti lineup. It cheapens up the whole bit. Secondly the Qx4 should have been bigger, with a sportier little brother next to it. The Q45 should be bigger, or perhaps have a stretched version to compete with the S-class and 7 series. With the XVL coming out perhaps their lineup should look somethign like this:

XVL-bottom line car. We all know it's good http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif
Something else-used to take away sales from the GS430 and 5 series. V8 powered with rear drive and a roomy back seat. How bout a manual tranny on the "t" version?
Q45-larger to compete with the S-class and 7 series.
Qx4-much larger with a V8 engine and real off-road capabilities. Locking diffs or sophisticated traction control to compete with Rover.
Smaller Suv-size of current Qx4 featuring a four way independant suspension, and big motor. More sporty than ute for those not wishing for the ultimate off road ability.

Most importantly, make the "t" version (if they continue that moniker) something special. Right now all you get is a spoiler and side skirts. Whoop dee doo... How bout a more powerful engine and a manual tranny aside from bigger wheels and brakes.

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There's a lot of things we could suggest that would change the way things work over at Nissan. Most of their problems in my opinion stem from their lineup. Most of their cars aside from the Maxima are dull and boring. The real exciting ones like the Silvia and Skyline arent even sold in the US. Not that bringing the Skyline or Silvia over here would cure all their problems. You have to realize the sports car market in the US has taken a backseat to the SUV explosion. As a result sports car sales have plummeted, and to say the least have not recovered. The new Altima is a breath of fresh air, if only they could have done something about the Sentra before it was released. Great cars go beyond great looks, if a car looks good, then it might as well perform good too. (Please excuse my bad english) Take for instance the Sentra SE. Decent car, but it's no SE-R to say the least. Bottom line, put the excitement in both looks and performance back into the Nissan lineup and I'm sure you'll see a fair amount of change, not to mention a whole lot more Nissans out on the road.

As far as Infiniti is concerned, please stop executing your platforms the way you do. It's terrible.

[SHIFT_6speeds]

The I-30 should not exist..its a figgin Maxima! Again..Infinti should not have redressed Nissans.

[thearabian]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
The I-30 should not exist..its a figgin Maxima! Again..Infinti should not have redressed Nissans. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the I30 is NOT a maxima, it has more features, better insulation and more conservative styling, in and out and it caters to a specific market so it does not steal sales from the maxima. and with a premium of 3000, it is well worth it for a near-luxury car.

[2HD]

I don't think the Infiniti line-up is all wrong. Lets not go that far cause it isn't.

The main concern to address is how they compete against their competition and there similarities with the Nissan line-up.

I think G20 should stay in the line up as the entry level car, but keep it a 4cyl and if this is the plan please do not give it the same hp and torque as the Sentra SE-R. I know alot college students who have this car, this means future long term buyers for Infiniti. The price is right, it just needs more power and features. Maybe they should just keep it as a coupe.

As for the XVL I think there should be a sedan, convertable and a large coupe like the CL so it doesn't compete with the Z too much.

The I30 is fine the way it is. It was meant specifically to compete against ES and TL and it does it well. All this BS about making the whole line-up RWD is a big mistake not everybody wants a RWD drive car and their not as good in snow so forget that idea. Infiniti needs variety in every way. GM made this mistake by making all their cars FWD and look were it got them.

The QX4 needs to be bigger (it's really due for a redesign) but not Expedition big. QX4 needs to be a car based SUV the way it should have been from the getgo. Like I said in another post, 7 or 8 passenger seating would be nice. If this is what the FX45 is going to be it better be on the roads ways at the most by early 2002. They can't afford to wait for the new plant to be built before they start to build it. Right next to Maxima in the Oppama plant (sorry for the misspelling) will be just fine.

The second SUV should be based off the Full Size SUV but with different sheet metal and interior of course.

And Q45 is fine the way it is for now.

I also agree that the T version should be something special.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
They've got Infiniti's lineup all wrong. The I30 should be the bottom of the line model, not the G20. The G20 shouldnt even be in the Infiniti lineup. It cheapens up the whole bit. Secondly the Qx4 should have been bigger, with a sportier little brother next to it. The Q45 should be bigger, or perhaps have a stretched version to compete with the S-class and 7 series. With the XVL coming out perhaps their lineup should look somethign like this:

XVL-bottom line car. We all know it's good http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif
Something else-used to take away sales from the GS430 and 5 series. V8 powered with rear drive and a roomy back seat. How bout a manual tranny on the "t" version?
Q45-larger to compete with the S-class and 7 series.
Qx4-much larger with a V8 engine and real off-road capabilities. Locking diffs or sophisticated traction control to compete with Rover.
Smaller Suv-size of current Qx4 featuring a four way independant suspension, and big motor. More sporty than ute for those not wishing for the ultimate off road ability.

Most importantly, make the "t" version (if they continue that moniker) something special. Right now all you get is a spoiler and side skirts. Whoop dee doo... How bout a more powerful engine and a manual tranny aside from bigger wheels and brakes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Infiniti:

Um...the current I30 has a 3.0 liter engine while the TL has a 3.2 liter engine and the I30 still has more power. Simply adding more liters is usless because it consumes more fuel. If power is the main objective, than give every car the 4.5 liter V8, but since fuel economy and cleanlyness is also a factor, keeping the liters down is improtant. I think 2.8 and 3.0 liters is good for the XVL and 3.2 or 3.3 is good for the I30. For the GS/5 series competitor, 3.5 and 4.0 is good to me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the I30 may have more power, but everywhere you look, the TL is kicking its butt in acceleration tests. And the TL Type S with 260 hp will only do more damage. Right now if Infiniti wants to have the most hp in its class like it says, it needs a 265-270 hp I30t. Getting it out of a 3.0L won't work. Building a 3.2L will take too much time in R&D. So just use the 3.5L while it is there.

If Nissan already has a 3.2L V6 in their arsenal, then of course, I would go for that engine. Besides the factors you mentioned, a 3.5L engine would also weigh more than a 3.2L. But right now, the 3.5L V6 is the only mid range V6 Nissan has, if I'm not mistaken.

The I30 right now gets 19/26 mpg. The Chrysler 300M has a 3.5L engine and gets 18/26 mpg. For a similar loss of one mpg in the city, I would rather take a big torquey VQ35 with 270 hp.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
the I30 is NOT a maxima, it has more features, better insulation and more conservative styling, in and out and it caters to a specific market so it does not steal sales from the maxima. and with a premium of 3000, it is well worth it for a near-luxury car.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The I-30 is too much Maxima...it is not different enough. Whether it steals sales or not for the Max is irrelevant. The I-30 and the QX is what gave infinti the the redressed Nissan publicity and IMO hurt Infinit in the long run... funny how I see Lexus ES all over and rarely see a I-30. And that is because the ES (redressed Camry) shares NOTHING visually with the Camry. Can we say that about the Max clone I-30? I think not. The I-30 in it's previous generation and now is overall a bad move... Nothing will change my mind on that.

[Infiniti]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
The I-30 is too much Maxima...it is not different enough. Whether it steals sales or not for the Max is irrelevant. The I-30 and the QX is what gave infinti the the redressed Nissan publicity and IMO hurt Infinit in the long run... funny how I see Lexus ES all over and rarely see a I-30. And that is because the ES (redressed Camry) shares NOTHING visually with the Camry. Can we say that about the Max clone I-30? I think not. The I-30 in it's previous generation and now is overall a bad move... Nothing will change my mind on that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think the Camry and ES are quite similar but not as similar as the Max and I30...close to it thugh. (end of rambling)

[Deadpool]

I30 sales are about the same as ES300. Reason why TL sells so well is because of its price and value. Being a redressed Maxima is a whole lot better then being a redressed Camry. Having said that, its bad that I30 have to be redressed. But instead of blaming Infiniti for doing this, I blame Nissan for giving Maxima features that should be exclusive to I30. Maxima should have been a car in camcord territory but it obviously isnt. But this dilema wont end. As Maxima is moving full size, its taking I30 with it. which means that it still will be a redressed Maxima. Avalon is taking sales away from ES300 and i guess we will see the same with I30 and Max. Unless ofcourse Infiniti gives I30 some features unique to itself. and keep Maxima's price tag a bit distant from I30's tag.

I dont think G20 should be dropped. I say take the XVL and offer it as both 4 and 6 cylinders. Base XVL can cost about 25K while the top of the line can cause about 30K. Call it G25 and G35

FX4 should take care of Car based suvs. QX4 should be made bigger. between full size and FX. or QX4 can be a full size SUV.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
Infinti should not have redressed Nissans. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen Brotha!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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I also agree that the G20 should continue, especially since it is about to be updated (the next Primera). With the XVL on it's way, I hope that it will replace the Max-clone I-30. If Infinti can get it's line-up back on track, have all exclusive models (like in the begining) At least Infiniti could get ahead of Lexus on that behalf...

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I think the I30 should be replaced as the bottom line car by the XVL. I still dont like the idea of the G20. It sticks them into Acura territory and I dont think they want that.

One more thing, quit having to use spoilers to make your cars look good!! Why not design your cars to look good without spoilers?

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I30 - competes with TL, ES300
FX45 - will compete with RX300, MDX, X5
Q45 - competes with S430, 740i, LS430
XVL - will compete with 325i/330i, IS300, C240/320, A4 1.8T/3.0

Where does this leave the G20? Is there really a demand for 4-cylinder 4-door sedans? Maybe, but I think a 4-cylinder coupe will bring in more potential Infiniti buyers at a young age. This must be why Acura dropped the sedan variant on the 2002 Integra.

So, Infiniti needs a bargain-buster. Infiniti needs a coupe to take on Integra.
Hmmm.....4-cylinder Infiniti coupe.....

SOLUTION:

Silvia = Infiniti S20

Awesome performance, so it won't dilute the Infiniti name. Good price, looks upscale, will kill the Integra and will bring the young people to Infiniti.

And then, Sentra SE-R will become Nissan's pocket rocket to take on Civic SI, and Z will be Nissan's flagship sports car.

Any takers?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
I think the I30 should be replaced as the bottom line car by the XVL. I still dont like the idea of the G20. It sticks them into Acura territory and I dont think they want that.
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I think there's two kinds of luxury makers. You have Audi, Benz, BMW, and the European makes which have one compact sedan, one midsize sedan, one large sedan, one sport-ute/crossover vehicle.

Then you have Lexus, which has pretty much everything the European makers have, plus it adds the tarted-up family sedan, and the full-size SUV.

So, the question is, does Infiniti want to be seen as a European competitor or a Lexus competitor? Their product line should represent that.

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i actually like that idea for an s20. makes a lot more sense than selling a silvia/240sx as a nissan now.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IRL:
Maxima should have been a car in camcord territory but it obviously isnt. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Based on everything you read about the new Altima, Maxima must move up. Altima is going to be the CamCord killer.

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carguy714, that's a GREAT idea about Infiniti taking on the Silvia! It would make a perfect base for Infiniti/Nissan to start eroding Honda/Acura's territory! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sil240:
carguy714, that's a GREAT idea about Infiniti taking on the Silvia! It would make a perfect base for Infiniti/Nissan to start eroding Honda/Acura's territory! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree, just bring us the Silvia. Infinti S20, what a nice ring that has.. S20C for the convertible?

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quote:
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Originally posted by IRL:
Maxima should have been a car in camcord territory but it obviously isnt.
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Based on everything you read about the new Altima, Maxima must move up. Altima is going to be the CamCord killer.

yea i know its time for it to move up. And its about time i should say. Maxima has been in between mid size and full size and price tag is higher too. And Altima was in between too.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sil240:
carguy714, that's a GREAT idea about Infiniti taking on the Silvia! It would make a perfect base for Infiniti/Nissan to start eroding Honda/Acura's territory! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It definitely makes sense. Once these S20s start showing up in high school and college parking lots, I think the brand loyalty would be secured at a younger age. I know of many people who started out with beater Integras and are now driving TLs and MDXs.

And after all, which would u rather buy, an egg-shaped Integra that everybody else has, or a 6-second 0-60 screamer that looks like a Ferrari?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
I totally agree, just bring us the Silvia. Infinti S20, what a nice ring that has.. S20C for the convertible? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or maybe S20 Varietta? http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/smile.gif

The Silvia, I think, would attract more potential buyers than the Integra. It will get the import dragsters in, those who want a touring coupe, and those who want a car with a luxury name. And maybe some open-minded domestic lovers who want a car that goes fast in a straight line.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pauli:
i actually like that idea for an s20. makes a lot more sense than selling a silvia/240sx as a nissan now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who would buy it? In a year and a half Nissan will have the new Z...I dont know about you,but im not going to pay close to the same money to get a ressurected 240sx with a 4 banger just because it has Infiniti written on it! You know if they brought over a car like that it would be in the 20's price wise easy.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pauli:
i actually like that idea for an s20. makes a lot more sense than selling a silvia/240sx as a nissan now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who would buy it? In a year and a half Nissan will have the new Z...I dont know about you,but im not going to pay close to the same money to get a ressurected 240sx with a 4 banger just because it has Infiniti written on it! You know if they brought over a car like that it would be in the 20's price wise easy.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pauli:
i actually like that idea for an s20. makes a lot more sense than selling a silvia/240sx as a nissan now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who would buy it? In a year and a half Nissan will have the new Z...I dont know about you,but im not going to pay close to the same money to get a ressurected 240sx with a 4 banger just because it has Infiniti written on it! You know if they brought over a car like that it would be in the 20's price wise easy.

[The_Chosen_One]

Is there an echo in here? LOL Hey, I've said it before and I will say it again (in hopes it will be seen by Nissan somehow). All these new concepts and freshly redesigned "super" trucks, coupes, and sedans... and what have you. All the high-tech, high performance and high reliability that's about to flood the market. It all means absolutely NOTHING. N-O-T-H-I-N-G! Not a dam thing, if they do not get their dealers on the ball, and not scare (or tee-off) the consumers away. No cars are gonna leave the lot when you got a pushy, bad attitude, unhelpful, "only care about the money",lying, price hiking, much to be desired dealers runnign the show. HEED MY WORDS! Nissan cannot afford to mess this up, because of these morons they have employed to sell their cars.

[Nismo]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlaxicanYIIK:
It all means absolutely NOTHING... if they do not get their dealers on the ball...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have to agree with you here. Nissan has far too much room for improvement when it comes to the dealership experience.

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The Infinti S20 (Silvia) should undercut the Z price by a few grand...it will give Infiniti a car Acura and Lexus would envy and it is a real sport coupe meaning rwd! And the other incentive is the exclusive Ifiniti dealer experience and Warranty over Nissan. this could be very Successful for Nissan (er, Infiniti). Plus there is no research & developemant investment, the car already exists... just U.S.spec it and slap Infiniti Logos on it... Infiniti could have a winner on their hands.

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I think if anything Infiniti should base its' coupe on a platform that includes a V6 engine. RWD is only natural to a sport coupe, so that would be a requirement as well. Like I said, Infiniti needs to stop selling dressed up Nissans.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
I think if anything Infiniti should base its' coupe on a platform that includes a V6 engine. RWD is only natural to a sport coupe, so that would be a requirement as well. Like I said, Infiniti needs to stop selling dressed up Nissans. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In this speculative case on the Infinti S20 (Silvia), Nissan will not have this car, ONLY Infiniti. I only speculate this since Nissan is coming out with the Z again, the Silvia will more than lilely never be ffered by Nissan, so Nissan could bring it over here as an Infinit. I like you, do not want to ever see the same offerings at BOTH dealerships. Like the Max and I-30, Path and QX, so on and so forth. But an exclusive such as the Silvia would be great. The Silvia deserves to be brought to the U.S., and I don't really care how they sell it, as a Nissan or Infiniti...Just thinking Infiniti would be more logical due to Nissan's new Z. Just speculating here.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SentraSE-Rman:
In this speculative case on the Infinti S20 (Silvia), Nissan will not have this car, ONLY Infiniti. I only speculate this since Nissan is coming out with the Z again, the Silvia will more than lilely never be ffered by Nissan, so Nissan could bring it over here as an Infinit. I like you, do not want to ever see the same offerings at BOTH dealerships. Like the Max and I-30, Path and QX, so on and so forth. But an exclusive such as the Silvia would be great. The Silvia deserves to be brought to the U.S., and I don't really care how they sell it, as a Nissan or Infiniti...Just thinking Infiniti would be more logical due to Nissan's new Z. Just speculating here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But like I said, the Silvia platform just isnt quite what comes to mind when I think of an Infiniti coupe. An Infiniti coupe should have a V6 and nothing less. Perhaps basing something off the XVL/Z platform would be a better way to go.

[thearabian]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HammerMan:
But like I said, the Silvia platform just isnt quite what comes to mind when I think of an Infiniti coupe. An Infiniti coupe should have a V6 and nothing less. Perhaps basing something off the XVL/Z platform would be a better way to go. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well in fact an XVL coupe is on its way!

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
well in fact an XVL coupe is on its way!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think they should use the V8!!! Secondly they should use a bigger chassis, like the Q45's.


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[thearabian]

i have one thing to say to the nissan people:

if many nissan lovers don't like the new Z's look (a fact as of today) think of what the average joe will think of it

long like the Z

32 that is...

i really hope u guys havent dug yourselves deeper into the hole...

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by thearabian:
i have one thing to say to the nissan people:

if many nissan lovers don't like the new Z's look (a fact as of today) think of what the average joe will think of it

long like the Z

32 that is...

i really hope u guys havent dug yourselves deeper into the hole...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I kinda think they have. They should have included many more cues from the original car than they have here. As it looks now I think it is a TT clone with different heand/tailights. It is very dissapointing indeed.

Overall nice concept, they should have brought the C-piller all the way to the rear of the car. The A-piller needs to be more angular instead of being round (ala Audi TT). I also think the grille needs to be bigger.

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To the Nissan execs:

I wish you good luck in selling the new bloated Z. While I personally dont like it, I sure hope that lots of others do. And you make enough money to bring out a newer REAL Z with classic Z styling.

Or give us the S-15, as a consolation http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif

[The_Chosen_One]

To Nissans, regarding the new lineup: Why torture us tommorrow, when we will have to wait many tommorrows later to get out hands on one. Why not start issuing them to the public at the NAIAS itself! http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif I am such a dreamer. lol

[Infiniti]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thal:
To the Nissan execs:

I wish you good luck in selling the new bloated Z. While I personally dont like it, I sure hope that lots of others do. And you make enough money to bring out a newer REAL Z with classic Z styling.

Or give us the S-15, as a consolation http://forums.freshalloy.com/forum/images/icons/grin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


An S15 for Infiniti would be better IMO. But onto the Z styling, if Nissan went retro, or classic as you say, than that would make Nissan tacky and unoriginal since now EVERYTHING is retro. Its good to stay away from retro because you can only do it once. By keeping some classic cues in a futuristic body, Nissan made a great move. That car will now appeal to people seeking some classic cues and also people looking for a fresh, new look. Much better than a ninche. Sure, some or many people on the bards here dont like it, but you never know about the other millions of people in the US.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Infiniti:

An S15 for Infiniti would be better IMO. But onto the Z styling, if Nissan went retro, or classic as you say, than that would make Nissan tacky and unoriginal since now EVERYTHING is retro. Its good to stay away from retro because you can only do it once. By keeping some classic cues in a futuristic body, Nissan made a great move. That car will now appeal to people seeking some classic cues and also people looking for a fresh, new look. Much better than a ninche. Sure, some or many people on the bards here dont like it, but you never know about the other millions of people in the US.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Some of the best looking sports cars today take many of their styling cues from sports cars of the past. Just look at BMW with the Z3 and Z8. They've done a tremendous job with those two designs. Both remain thoroughly modern while capturing the allure and charm of their ancestors. Why Nissan cant do the same is beyond me.

While the new z is proportionally the same as the old car, it fails to capture it's looks. The overal shape makes the car look like an Audi. There's nothing about this design that I like, it's too bubbly. It looks like a girl designed it. You might as well have a "made by Mattel" sticker on the back end, with a larger version of barbie in the driver's seat. In fact I'm ready to say I believe Nissan is dead. They might start selling more cars, but their overal appeal to me is gone.

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I think they can take the Nissan Mid-Four with updated materials and technology and introduce it as the Infiniti QZ.

Nissan has such neat cars that are sold only in Japan. If they take some of those and sold them in the USA, it could help their image here. The Skyline seems like a great car but not available in the USA (tragic loss[?]).

If they were not only made reliable practical cars but also ones that are innovative and fun to drive (not that some Nissans are not) but produce some the concept vehicles instead of having them for 'show only'(like the Gobi truck or the HyperMini).

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Wow...I can say that as a employee of a Nissan store I have NEVER seen that on any new Nissan..in terms of serious mechanical trouble like you described. Read your "Lemon law" book that should have been included with your owners manual.They have a certain amount of oportunitites to fix the car right..Once those are exhausted (and it has to be the same component fail multiple times I believe)..then you can take the next step.Im not sure what the rules are for N.Y./N.J.Sounds like the valve problem has reoccured so that may be the way for you to get out of her. I cant believe the dealer is not being more supportive.We did have a gentleman who bought a 00' Frontier V/6 and he claimed a small roaring noise was present at a certain RPM/speed(like 55-57 mph!).After changing tires and rear end..He said it was still there..We bought the vehicle back..(even though we were chasing ghosts..the truck was fine IMO!).Its better to make the customer happy than have him bad mouth you around town..and he did come back and bought an Altima for his wife a few months later.

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I like the way that this guy thinks!!

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial[/img]quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy714:
I30 - competes with TL, ES300
FX45 - will compete with RX300, MDX, X5
Q45 - competes with S430, 740i, LS430
XVL - will compete with 325i/330i, IS300, C240/320, A4 1.8T/3.0

Where does this leave the G20? Is there really a demand for 4-cylinder 4-door sedans? Maybe, but I think a 4-cylinder coupe will bring in more potential Infiniti buyers at a young age. This must be why Acura dropped the sedan variant on the 2002 Integra.

So, Infiniti needs a bargain-buster. Infiniti needs a coupe to take on Integra.
Hmmm.....4-cylinder Infiniti coupe.....

SOLUTION:

Silvia = Infiniti S20

Awesome performance, so it won't dilute the Infiniti name. Good price, looks upscale, will kill the Integra and will bring the young people to Infiniti.

And then, Sentra SE-R will become Nissan's pocket rocket to take on Civic SI, and Z will be Nissan's flagship sports car.

Any takers?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Hello all,
I am a first time Nissan owner. I recently purchase a
"new" 2001 Altima SE. Why do I have the word "new" in
quotes? Allow me to continue with my story.

I took delivery of my "new" car in mid November 2000 from
a Nissan dealership in New Jersey. (I live in New York.)
For the first 2 weeks I've had the car in my possession
I've been taking it easy on the gas pedal (no hard
acceleration, keeping it under 55 mph) during the break
in period. I wanted to break in the engine ASAP, so I
can get to really feel the performance of the SE Altima.
I was able to hit 1000 miles in 2 weeks by taking the
car out everyday. Except for the fact that the wheel
alignment was slightly off and a coolant leak (more
about the infamous coolant leak later), the car seemed
to run fine during the break in period. I figured
to bring the car in after I fully broke in the engine
so I can get the 1000 mile oil change and have the wheel
alignment and coolant leak looked at the same time.

I brought my car in for service on Monday,
December 4, 2000. I didn't get my car back until Monday,
December 18, 2000!!! Fifteen (15) days!!!

WTF?!!!
Ok, here comes the big question.... WHY?!!!

Later on the same day I brought the car in, I received a
phone call from the Nissan service shop. It was the
shop manager.... "Uh, I have some good news for you...
You're going to need a new engine..."

WTF?!!! A new engine?!!!

Turns out the coolant leak was not coming from something
simple like a loose hose clamp or leaky hose, but
leaking from a crack in the engine block. (They like to
call the engine block "pourous" rather than "cracked".)
That's what I thought... a loose hose clamp. I saw the
green stuff streaking on the engine block, but would
have never imagined that it was coming from a cracked
block.

Now you think something like this would get me a new
replacement car, right? WRONG!!!

Oringinally they wanted to do something called a "welsh
plug", basically making the crack bigger and drilling
in a screw. Then they decided to give me a new iron
block. Everything under the hood had to be gutted!

Then while disassembling the engine block, they also
discovered that the aluminum head was defective when the
mechanic pulled this bolt from the aluminum head that
holds the sprocket for the timing chain, and the bolt
came out striped, also stripping the inside treads in
the head!!!

So now the iron block and the aluminum head has to be
replaced.

Now tell me.... Would you want to own a new car with a
defective engine that has to be completely replaced???
And not only that, but have everything under the hood
gutted (cooling system, ABS system, A/C system, tranny,
suspension) and put back together by hand???

I've been calling the Nissan (does not) Care number...
the 1-800-NISSAN-1
I've called this number numerous times requesting I want
the car replaced for another one. But they keep brushing
me off by saying that they are doing everything according
to law and honoring the warranty and saying that I'm not
paying for these repairs.

BUT THIS IS NUTS!!! I am paying for it. I paid 20 1/2 K
for this car after taxes. I paid to have the RIGHT to
enjoy the new car experience. The main reason we buy
new cars to begin with is to get away from the
unreliabilty of our old one. I have a 1988 Camry V6 with
almost 155K miles. Everytime I get into it, I always
the nagging feeling in the back of my mind....
"Will I be able to get there without being stranded on
the NJ Turnpike?" or "Oh great. What's the next thing
that's going to break on me?"

I've been robbed of the new car experience. I'm not
driving a new car... it's a reburbished car with 1200
miles on it. I still haven't really "driven" the car
because I was breaking in the old engine, and now I'm
still breaking in the "new" engine. I keep asking myself
"Is this how my car is suppose to drive?" I don't know
because I didn't even have the car long enough to find
out.

I've called into the 1-800-NISSAN-1 since mid December
2000 asking for some sort of compensation. (I'm still
asking for a replacement.) Finally, my case went under
review beginning Jan 2, 2001, and it was suppose to
take 5 business days and someone was suppose to call me
back. I didn't get any answer until the 7th business day,
and I had to call them myself to find out!

This really IS the Nissan (does not) Care line. So many
times they keep reiterating to me that I have the basic
warranty... I'm not paying for the repairs... It's not
in Nissan's policy to replace cars... My car does not
qualify to be a lemon under the NY state Lemon Law.

But the point is I have a new car that had a defective
engine in the very beginning. It's not something as
simply like a headlamp burning out, or the wipers don't
work. No repair shop does whole engine swaps everyday.
Nissan tells me that they have master mechanics. If you
boast that your mechanics are the best and brightest,
then why after the repair was done I have an engine
that's idling rough, my "idiot" lights on my dash
lighting up as bright as the Rockefeller Christmas
tree, some sort of oil leak streaking down the engine
block, and everytime I hit a bump, it sounds like there
is something that's not bolted down properly and I feel
the front end is going to fall apart.

I brought the car back to the shop for some "fine
tuning". Turns out the rough engine idle is due to
the valves not opening and closing properly. And that
they need to use shims(!!!) to adjust the valve
positioning. Shims, pieces of metal that are sereral
hundredths of an inch in thickness, being placed in
an environment with high operating temperatures and
vibration. Yeah, let's see how long these things will
last.

My car went into the shop for the third time from Jan 10
to Jan 26 to get the valves fixed. Service ordered ever
shim Nissan makes, and they still weren't able to get
the valves to open and close properly. So, they did the
unthinkable and sent out the aluminum heads to a machine
shop to get the valve seating grinded down!!! They were
trying to force fit things together!!!

I've only owned the car for about 2 months, and half that
time it's been sitting in the shop!!!

Now Nissan wants to shut me up by offering me a 7 year/
100,000 mile, $50 deductible extended service contract
at no charge. But that still doesn't change the fact that
I paid $20,500 for the privelege to drive around a "new"
car with a refurbed engine. And still it hasn't been put
back together properly.

What the hell?!!! Is this suppose to be the "new" Nissan?
Is this Carlos Ghosn's Nissan? I wonder if Toyota or
Honda treats it's first time owners like this?

[This message has been edited by flarearrow (edited 02-06-2001).]

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Flarearrow...

Sorry to hear about your Altima experience. I have had 3 Nissan products in a row. I have had great luck with them all...but I have known this for years from my dealings plus this from working for one. Nissan Dealers in general SUCK! In general NO dealers have any INTEGRITY. Becase of it's (Nissan's) dealers I have been so tempted to change brands for this sole reason... but I have a problem now...the new SE-R is coming! But I am worried.... Dealing again with Nissan dealers and now the Sentra is made in Mexico...what am I to be up against here??? Let us now how your ordeal works out and IMO your Altima should be replaced with a New one! Please get in contact about Nissan and your dealership(s) with the Better Business Bureau...

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flarearrow, FYI shims are the most advanced way to adjust your valves. For the most part they require no maintanance, and are used on all high performance engines. F1 cars use them, high performance motorcycle engines use them, it's really not a bad deal at all. As far as your other problems go, I'm sorry to hear about them. Maybe things will work out in the end.

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I would tell them they should bring back the True King of Nissan R390 http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif