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FanaticZ
06-03-2003, 10:29 PM
shouldn't they save these ads until they start making some good cars?


GM ads take high road while admitting bumps

May 29, 2003





BY JEFFREY MCCRACKEN
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER




General Motors Corp. will launch a nationwide ad campaign next week to admit something many consumers already knew: GM made some poor vehicles in the 1980s and 1990s.

Admitting its past blunders in a newspaper and magazine campaign is an unorthodox attempt by GM to attract the roughly 40 percent of auto buyers it says won't even consider GM products.

Ads will begin running next week in USA Today, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and other national and regional publications. TV ads may follow.

In part, GM is trying to polish an image tarnished by low-quality cars such as the Chevrolet Chevette and Citation. Many GM cars of the 1980s and 1990s were notorious for oil leaks and premature paint flaking -- the kind of defects that can aggravate consumers. GM has received a boost in recent years due to gains in vehicle-quality studies.

The campaign, which GM calls "The Road to Redemption," will be about "5 percent mea culpa and 95 percent what's good about GM," said John Middlebrook, GM vice president of brand marketing, in a news conference Wednesday.

"We were looking for something jarring, and the most jarring thing was the hard truth," said Dave Moore, chief creative officer at McCann-Erickson Detroit, the local ad firm that created the campaign. "Saying that '20 years ago we had some really bad products, but we've learned our lesson' is a pretty unconventional thing to admit in an ad."

GM has narrowed the gap between it and Toyota Motor Corp. -- the company recognized as best in initial vehicle quality by J.D. Power and Associates -- by 58 percent in the past four years. The study measures quality problems in the first three months a vehicle is owned. In J.D. Power's 2003 study, released this month, GM again topped its domestic rivals, recording an average of 134 problems per 100 vehicles -- one more than the industry average. Toyota repeated as the automaker with the highest overall initial quality, with an average of 115 problems per 100 vehicles.

GM has, however, continued to lag further behind the industry in J.D. Power's long-term vehicle durability studies.

"That's a real advantage for Toyota and Honda, and you could argue is the most important thing when a person is deciding what to buy next," said Joe Ivers, partner at J.D. Power. "How the product does in year three, four or five is a big deal to the car buyer, and GM has had a harder time there."

A J.D. Power study showed in 2002 about 200,000 vehicle buyers left GM for Japanese-made vehicles, while only 75,000 switched to GM from its foreign counterparts.

Nonetheless, the GM ad campaign will try to attract buyers of rivals' cars and trucks by highlighting GM gains in initial quality studies, said Gary Cowger, GM president of North America.

"We may not have done everything right in the past, but we've learned from it," Cowger said. "It's a corporate-wide communication effort to close the gap between perception and reality."

He said two factors -- GM's past reputation for poor quality and family traditions of driving only an Asian or European vehicle -- keep four out of 10 new-vehicle buyers from even considering GM.

The text-heavy, two-page ad states: "Thirty years ago, GM quality was the best in the world. Twenty years ago it wasn't." Another part of the ad talks about "learning some humbling lessons from our competitors."

The ad campaign builds on recent GM efforts to attract consumers by allowing them to take GM vehicles home for an overnight test drive and by inviting owners of competing vehicles to events where they can test drive new cars and trucks.

"The road to redemption has no finish line," the ad says. "But it does have a corner. And it's fair to say we've turned it."

Companies don't typically admit their mistakes in their ads, a local marketing expert says.

"If you think back to Tylenol, they admitted problems with tampered bottles, but most are like Exxon, which never did an ad to admit mistakes so openly. This is unique by GM," said Aradhna Krishna, University of Michigan business marketing professor.

"They are kind of acting like a company in a crisis situation, and maybe their crisis is all the market share they and other U.S. automakers are losing to foreign automakers."

SHIFT_6speeds
06-03-2003, 10:40 PM
So, in 2023 we'll get another apology from GM about the crappy cars they produced in the 2000's and 2010's?

FanaticZ
06-04-2003, 11:39 AM
no, we'll probably get a letter from toyota that they have taken over the planet.

M_TYPE_X
06-04-2003, 03:42 PM
no, we'll probably get a letter from toyota that they have taken over the planet.



WE PWN3D j00~!!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BrianS
06-05-2003, 08:14 PM
So, in 2023 we'll get another apology from GM about the crappy cars they produced in the 2000's and 2010's?



LOL

words cannot express how perfectly that phrase....just....fits

limits_at_infiniti
06-05-2003, 08:25 PM
I like thier
Grand nationals
ZR-1's
Thyphoons

**DONOTDELETE**
06-06-2003, 01:36 PM
shouldn't they save these ads until they start making some good cars?



No, that would make too much sense. GM is hellbent on losing market share...

scourge
06-30-2003, 06:21 AM
They can change the product all they want but as long as GM delaers continue to treat potential buyers and even repeat customers like [censored], its all for nothing. If you have $30k to spend on a new car, go to any GM dealer, Lexus dealer, Benz dealer, Audi dealer, Infiniti dealer and see just how you get treated when you drop your money on the table.

Vette guys ********** about getting poor treatment after spending $50k and yet they still keep going back. Sales ain't gong up till [censored] dealers are weeded out.

_Nzo_
06-30-2003, 10:45 AM
Why limit themselves to only that 20 year range?

Umi_R98
06-30-2003, 11:52 AM
well if they'd buck up and cut some unneeded costs and invest it on some R&D and product design that would be great. Instead of spending extra $$$ on ad campaigns that won't do much help. You jus gave Nissan and Toyota the coffin to your grave by letting them create competative trucks.

Who knows, probably by 2023 GM will be filing for chapter 11 or BMW will take them over and do a major revamp of everything. We don't need to know how much you've blundered up, as long as your progressivly correcting them.

I used to like GM alot cuz they made big nice trucks, but that's not the case anymore when someone else makes a better truck.

M_TYPE_X
06-30-2003, 12:46 PM
The Nissan heritage of truckmaking will show itself very soon! gwa hahahahaha http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
06-30-2003, 01:02 PM
Check out the General's aging car portfolio. If they can't even put together a Grand Am correctly after, what, 23 years on the same platform with no changes, I highly doubt any new products will be put together well, either.

M_TYPE_X
07-01-2003, 05:37 AM
Check out the General's aging car portfolio. If they can't even put together a Grand Am correctly after, what, 23 years on the same platform with no changes, I highly doubt any new products will be put together well, either.



Are we talking GM here, or Ford? I'm confused! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

New Mustang hopefully coming next summer. Crown Vic to be replaced by Five Hundred, it sounds like. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/confused.gif

scourge
07-02-2003, 02:28 AM
Its the Taurus being replaced by the 500.

M_TYPE_X
07-02-2003, 10:44 AM
Its the Taurus being replaced by the 500.



Five Hundred upscale of Taurus, Futura smaller than Taurus. The idea is that the Five Hundred will be a Passat type car and that the Futura will go against the Grand Am, Camry, and Accord. Problem: Futura smaller than Camry and Accord new models and it seems to me to be a spiritual successor to the Contour, not the Taurus.

Ford wants more share of the car market to fend off Toyota and Honda, so, they are going the GM route by launching two-pronged market attack (Chevrolet: Malibu & Impala, Pontiac: Grand Am & Grand Prix). http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

**DONOTDELETE**
07-13-2003, 10:37 AM
And you can't forget the Vega, the only car that started to rust while sitting on the showroom floor.

M_TYPE_X
07-13-2003, 11:25 AM
And you can't forget the Vega, the only car that started to rust while sitting on the showroom floor.



My parents will tell you all about their first cars (both Vegas) if you ask. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Umi_R98
07-13-2003, 11:29 AM
and who do you think is gonna come out on top when the dust settles?

SHIFT_6speeds
12-03-2005, 11:00 PM
With GM in the news for shutting down plants, anyone remember this?...GM's great 80's and 90's vehicles(including 70's and 2000's also IMO)which lead to this short lived ad campaign also had to have lead to the closings of many plants and GM's possible demise.

CNN Report with Video (http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/28/news/companies/gm/)

If any GM UAW workers complain, just show them this ad campaign. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

NissanTechSeR
12-04-2005, 07:28 AM
Its about time they admit to how horrible their vehicles are, now its Ford and Chryslers turn http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif but seriously, if they didnt nickel and dime the production of their vehicles, they would have been better. and theres only 2 reasons people buy American - Patriotism, which I see all too much of at work beings everyone I work with is so pro America, they wont even consider an import, even though they admit Imports are superior in so many ways. And the other reason is Cost, since they usually cost less from the start and parts are usually cheaper, but they dont think about the inconveniences of breaking down all the time, and constant visits to the mechanic for something else that needs repair. Yeah, some of them last alright, but most of them rust, fall apart, leak, and paint looks like crap after just a couple years.

M_TYPE_X
12-04-2005, 09:22 AM
If any GM UAW workers complain, just show them this ad campaign. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif



With a Roger Smith Christmas card!!! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Nismo
12-04-2005, 07:24 PM
"Saying that '20 years ago we had some really bad products, but we've learned our lesson' is a pretty unconventional thing to admit in an ad."



How about admitting that they're still making some really bad products. I was looking through the newest Consumer Reports (the real one, not one of the copycats) and the Chevy Cobalt, the new replacement for the Cavalier, has already made CR's list of reliability risks.

In the 1990's I distinctly remember GM admitting that they had made some bad products in the 70's and 80's but that their current line of products was world class.

Madmaster
12-04-2005, 09:36 PM
Nissan didn't fare very well on this new CR magazine either :/. QX, Titan, Armada, and Quest were all very low for reliability, tho Armada ranked as their 2nd best big suv overall, second to the Land Cruiser and barely ahead of the Sequoia.

Back to the thread. Yeah alot of GM's new products supposedly ended up quite bad in the magazine, especially their four "new" minivans. Quite a useful issue though, has a chart of every model with almost all of their specs compared. They obviously aren't pros in the 0-60, as neither the vette, evo, or sti could hit 60 in under 5 seconds lol.

WhereHaveYouBeen
12-05-2005, 09:41 AM
holy old thread batman. It used to be a bannable offense for resurrecting old threads, but now it seems like the new mods dont care? And also may be post whores?

SHIFT_6speeds
12-05-2005, 05:28 PM
holy old thread batman. It used to be a bannable offense for resurrecting old threads, but now it seems like the new mods dont care? And also may be post whores?



Sorry, wrong answer. GM is in the news. They are closing plants. GM UAW workers wonders why. Well, even GM admittied to building subpar vehicles. Seems like people/ the general public even seemed to have forgoten about this shortlived campaign to "redeem" themselves. Well, It apparently did not work. These stories are related. Old threads are accessible for a reason. Why? So they can be brought back and rediscussed. Why create another thread when this one already existed? It's called being resourseful. There is no truth to your post. Thanks for your concern.

M_TYPE_X
12-05-2005, 07:46 PM
Sorry, wrong answer. GM is in the news. They are closing plants. GM UAW workers wonders why. Well, even GM admittied to building subpar vehicles. Seems like people/ the general public even seemed to have forgoten about this shortlived campaign to "redeem" themselves. Well, It apparently did not work. These stories are related. Old threads are accessible for a reason. Why? So they can be brought back and rediscussed. Why create another thread when this one already existed? It's called being resourseful. There is no truth to your post. Thanks for your concern.



Clearly the right answer. If you put all the GM threads on page one, they would fill it. [sorry! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif]

Ford will announce their decision next month. They are talking about closing eight plants as well. What a mess.

SHIFT_6speeds
12-05-2005, 09:00 PM
Ford will announce their decision next month. They are talking about closing eight plants as well. What a mess.




Maybe if Ford did it's own "Road to Redemption" campaign, they would be closing fewer plants? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

palmerwmd
12-06-2005, 10:37 AM
Actually GM powertrains are pretty good.
Its the rest of the cars that often dont measure up IMO...

Fred..

WhereHaveYouBeen
12-06-2005, 12:10 PM
How is there no truth to my post? People were often B& for opening up old threads. I'm not saying the subject matter is irrelevant. Good lord. Get the sand out of your vagina.

SHIFT_6speeds
12-06-2005, 07:39 PM
How is there no truth to my post? People were often B& for opening up old threads.



When? Where? Who? Most of all, why? Makes no sense. Prove there is truth to your post.