Titan vs F-150

[FStephenMasek]

The Titan will offer side and side curtan air bags, which they are NOT available on the new F-150. All of the tests show that the side bags make a big difference, and I know someone who's wife walked away from a T-bone into her new BMW 5-series because of the side bags. I drive over 25,000 miles per year in California traffic. Therefore, I will only look at the F-150 out of curiosity, but would not buy one.

Until I see and drive the production Titan I can't be sure, but it seems that Nissan has really done their homework. I hope that they copy Ford's counter-weighted tailgate.

The only Titan flaws I know of now are the requirement to buy the video game (navigation thing) to get to the reverse proximity warning system, and the lack of a mechanical limited slip differential. Both should be easy to address. Buying and installing the proximity senors should be easy, and since the rear axle is a Dana 44 design, limited slip differentials and all sorts of other parts should be readily available.

[BadTouchGTR]

Who needs a LSD when the Off-Road package comes with a full locking diff? I can't think of a better use for $1000 than Nissan's Off-road package... Rancho shocks, E-full locking rear diff., and skid plateing ????

It's obvious Nissan sin't another "Me Too" company like Honda and Toyota.... why do I say that
Toyota is slated to make the Tundra a true full size truck in order to compete with the big boys come 2005
Honda plans to release a full size Body on Frame truck come 2006
f-ing posers
One thing I must applaud ford for on the new F-150 is as well as having a fully boxed frame like the Titan. It appears the most of the crossmembers are fully boxed as well
(check out page 122 in Aug 2003 Car and Driver)
even the interior looks pretty decent...

My buddy is getting the F-150 I'm going with the Titan...
we will all see in a real life comparison....

[FStephenMasek]

My only concern with the off road package, other than the price, is that it would make the truck rough riding. Many of us will never go off road. I would prefer that they offer an on-road package with the limited slip and with the truck 4" - 6" lower.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

My only concern with the off road package, other than the price, is that it would make the truck rough riding. Many of us will never go off road. I would prefer that they offer an on-road package with the limited slip and with the truck 4" - 6" lower.



Potentially...
I remember driving around in Toyota Tacoma's a while back, and if I recall correctly, the version with the TRD off-road package had a better ride than the "stock" version without it.

[FanaticZ]

My buddy is getting the F-150 I'm going with the Titan...
we will all see in a real life comparison....



you two going to hook a chain up to both your hitches and see who really is king of the hill? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[BadTouchGTR]

you two going to hook a chain up to both your hitches and see who really is king of the hill? http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smile.gif



hell yeah, now taking bets!!!!
I'm still waiting for someone to come out with the baubles and Bolt ons. Personally I'd like to see a Titan with a billrt grill a winch a nasty grill guard and a set of 38" tires /w a 4.5" lift perhaps a supercharger too... "SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!

[Umi_R98]

Ford is scared....really scared.

[PhilP10]

yeah they're pretty good trucks. honda isn't even going full size they're tryin' midsize. also didn't Toyota say this Tundra was suppose to be "fullsize"? Toyota stop half-assing and really make a fullsize http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

-What are the prices for the F150 and the Titan in comparison?

[FStephenMasek]

So the Titan will have 305 HP and 379 Ft.-Lbs. of torque from its 5.6 litre V8, vs 300 HP and 365 Ft.-Lbs. from the Ford 5.4 litre V8. We still need to know the fuel requirement (regular or premium) and the fuel economy. Even if you drive much more than average, it is not a big difference in absolute dollars, but it will be a factor in swinging sales to one or the other truck. The Ford 5.4 V8 will run on regular gasoline, so I hope that the Nissan will not require premium.

[OP240SX]

another Titan article.. Titan wins in payloand and towing.. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif weighs about 500lbs less too!

Motortrend.com Titan & F150 (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/pickup/163_0310_fvn/index.html)

[FStephenMasek]

The edition of Motorweek on PBS or cable which starts airing on 9/26 will feature a test drive of the Titan.

[stotty203]

What's funny is that since the Titan came out with a 9400 pound towing capacity, Ford is updating the new F-150's towing capacity to around 9800 pounds. They say that they "held back" in the initial towing capacity. Ha! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Which idiots do they expect to believe that?

[Umi_R98]

anyone actually confirm 9800lb towing capacity reliably?
I mean you don't want a truck that can tow 9800 one time than crap out the next day. You might as well up the cap to 10000, a nice 5 digit number.

[cardriver]

i dont know but i think it would be kinda kool if nissan made some nismo version of the titan to go against the SVT lighting. just a thought... http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[FStephenMasek]

The Car and Driver review of the 2004 Ford F-150 2WD Supercab with the 5.4 V8 is very interesting when compared with their review of the 2WD Armada.

The Ford weighed just 166 Lbs. more than the Armada, but took 8.2 seconds to reach 60, vs only 7.0 for the Armada. The Armada is not just quick off of the line - the Ford took 5.5 seconds to go from 50 to 70 MPH, while the Armada did it in 5.1 seconds.

The Ford fuel mileage is 15/19, while the Armada is rated at 14/20.

The Armada stopped from 70MPH in 196', while the Ford took 206' to stop.

Finally, the Ford achieved 0.71g on the 300' diameter skid pad, while the Armada achieved 0.73g.

The full comparison tests of the Titan vs the other pickups and the Armada vs the others SUVs will be fun to read - I hope the factory can ramp production up quickly, because they will need it.

[FStephenMasek]

The Car Connection review of the Titan is out and very positive. The Motorweek review was also positive, although they claimed that the F-150 handled better. I wonder if they were comparing similar versions.

The good reviews keep coming, so the comparison tests should be enjoyable. Of course, the most fun will be actually driving the Titan once it is finally available.

[nissan4infiniti]

Motorweek: Titan handles well, slightly spongy compared to F-150 ?!! But it has the power and style to carve out a legitimate chunk of the full-size truck market.

[FStephenMasek]

Car and Driver has now reviewed both vehicles, although the F-150 was a supercab, and the Titan was a crew cab model. Still, it is a good comparison. The F-150 5.4 V8 only produces 300Hp and 365Lb.-Ft., while the Titan 5.6 V8 produces 305Hp and 379Lb.-Ft. Both give 15/19 MPG on regular fuel. The Titan gets to 60MPH in 6.9 seconds, while the F-150 takes 8.2 seconds. The Titan stops from 70 in 193', while the F-150 needs 206' to stop. Both achieve 0.71g on the 300' skidpad. The F-150 weighs 410 Lbs. more than the Titan. The extra weight is obviously not soundproofing, as the noise level at 70MPH was 68Dba in the F-150 and 69DBa in the Titan. Finally, the Titan offers an important safety feature, side air bags, as an option, while they are unavailable on the F-150. Yes, the Titan is new and unproven, but so is the F-150. The Titan has the well-known and proven Dana-44 rear axle.

It is obvious that the Titan is the far better choice.

[r32guy]

"Holy Habit-Forming-Drugs, Batman!" That's Heli-fast. If this thing does well (and I'm sure it will), I'd like to see a NISMO edition to compete w/the Lightning and Ram SRT-10. But then again, in R32Guy's perfect world, every vehicle would have a high performance variant.
(Let's see...450hp, 525 lbs.tq, 20" wheels, and leather interior w/ "NISMO" in red stitching... http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)

[thylantyr]

F-150 weighs 410 Lbs. more than the Titan.

2WD -
F150 regular cab payload = 3000 lbs.
F150 super cab payload = 2690 lbs.
F150 crew cab payload = 1690 lbs.

Titan king cab payload = 1640 lbs.
Tital crew cab payload = 1585 lbs.

If you need a work truck to haul heavy loads,
what is the choice ?

If you need a hotrodder truck, what is the choice ?

If neither apply to you, then flip a coin. /hehe

[ANYTIME]

F-150 weighs 410 Lbs. more than the Titan.

2WD -
F150 regular cab payload = 3000 lbs.
F150 super cab payload = 2690 lbs.
F150 crew cab payload = 1690 lbs.

Titan king cab payload = 1640 lbs.
Tital crew cab payload = 1585 lbs.

If you need a work truck to haul heavy loads,
what is the choice ?

If you need a hotrodder truck, what is the choice ?

If neither apply to you, then flip a coin. /hehe



If you want to haul heavy loads(more than just in the bed), then get the Titan.
F150 towing = 8200 lbs.
Titan towing = 9500lbs.
BTW, Ford makes these exceptions when buying the HEAVY DUTY PAYLOAD PACKAGE Increases GVWR to 8200 lbs. for improved payload and towing Includes: 50 state emissions system; LT245/70x17D BSW A/S tires; high capacity 17” 7-lug steel wheels; specially tuned shock absorbers; heavy duty frame and 72 amp battery; spring, radiator and auxiliary transmission oil cooler upgrades, 10.25" gear set, standard 4.10 axle (Optional 4.10 Limited Slip), (Availability: Regular Cab Styleside 8.0’ box (145” WB) or SuperCab 8.0’ box (163” WB), XL and XLT, Requires 5.4L V8 Engine • Regular and SuperCab 4x4 require 35.7 gallon fuel tank

[thylantyr]

I'm not one of those guys thats loyal to any particular
manufacturer, but I don't like Fords. I do admit though
that the new F150 redesign is a very cool truck and it's
the first time in history that I actually like the style
and functionality. The only other Ford vehicle that I
like is the diesel Excursion because it's a big dumb SUV
that weighs 7600 lbs. /hehe

But Ford is playing games, as soon as Nissan released
their towing specs, Ford released what they call their
true capabilities and upped the towing to 9900 lbs.

But this is all MOOT !!

I've been researching the RV forum where people tow trailers
and nobody in their right mind would tow a 9000 lbs trailer
with a 1/2 ton truck with short wheelbase. It may tow
what they rate it for, but these people who tow for
a living just don't feel safe in a small truck. These folks
are buyng the 3/4 - 1 ton trucks, diesel preferably.

These are all marketing games. People that buy Titan
or F150 are most likely not buying with the intention
of it being a serious work truck.

[cheerioboy26]

I have also noticed the fine print in Ford's commercials for the F150 - their comparisons are only for "MY 03" trucks - so they aren't including the Titan.

[sparkydog1]

I took a Titan for a ride. It's a good try at a full size truck but falls short in comparison to the new F-150. The Titan does not have the option of a heavy duty payload package as does the F-150. The F-150 so equipped can carry up to 3,000 lbs with its beefed up frame, springs, supercooling system, auxilary oil cooler, heavy duty wheels, and light truck tires. Titan's best is 1508 lbs. And don't forget that the Titans lightweight payload affects its towing capacity. If your boat or travel trailer weighs 7,000 lbs, you will have a tongue weight of at least 10% - 700 lbs. That means you only have 800 lbs of payload left for you, your passengers, your accessories, and all your gear. Compared to the F-150s max payload capacity of 3,000 and towing capacity of 9,500, the Titan is a lightweight. Moreover the Titan only offers a little "grocery box", i.e., it's adequate if your wife or girlfriend sends you down to safeway for groceries and panty hose. Those grocery boxes, besides being fairly useless, just don't look right on a real truck. If you want to save money there are less obvious ways to do it. A truck with a little grocery box is like those tract houses with brick only on the front side. Both look super odd IMHO. If all Nissan is interested in is the guy who needs to haul panty hose for his SO, the Titan will do. But Nissan overlooked a huge portion of the truck market with the lightweight payload and grocery box.

[sparkydog1]

thylantyr,

I've got to disagree with you. There are millions of F-150s being used as serious work trucks and there will be millions more purchased for work. You are probably right though about people not buying a Titan as a serious work truck. The payload, at 1508 lbs. is pretty light and affects towing capacity in that your tongue weight counts against your payload. Another big drawback on the Titan is that it only comes with a small and smaller grocery box. No one is ever going to mistake a Titan for a serious work truck when they see that little thing on the back. Check out the heavy duty payload package with 8 ft box on the F-150 if you want a serious work truck with a great ride and massive low end torque. That purse compartment near the left rear wheel on the Titan is not going to convince real truck buyers, including women, to switch. The spray-in bed and cargo holders are nice but nothing that can't be added easily after purchase.

[Derwud]

Hey sparky the wonder twit, why not go back to the f(unky)o(ld)r(ebuilt)D(atsun) site and check what you have to give up to get that High payload option. Since most people don't use the bed of their trucks 80% of the time it's a waste of space, something like that space between your ears. I will gladly take my Titan to the store, all the while smiling down on your sorry a$$, to get some pantyhose for my wife because I know I have a wife to come home too!

[rshe]

Derwood.. At least Sparkys opinions are thought out and come with evidence to back them up, not just mindless name calling.. If you have something worthwhile to say, say it. If not, go get some pantyhose.

[Keane]

sparkydog1

Derwud said it right - check out what you have to give upto get the 3000lb payload capacity. You ain't getting a Crew Cab - that is for sure! And considering the Majority of trucks being sold are CC's that means everybody is heading to the store to buy their wives pantyhose (or their husband beer!) http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Derwud]

Derwood.. At least Sparkys opinions are thought out and come with evidence to back them up, not just mindless name calling.. If you have something worthwhile to say, say it. If not, go get some pantyhose.



Sparkys opinions are just an atempt to come on a board and cause trouble. The things he points out are worthless dribble and really shouldn't get a response, but I couldn't help myself. I believe in the product and hate to see someone slam it just because they want to make them self feel better about their own purchase. So I'm sorry if you don't like the way I wrote it, but my points are just as valid as his. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[70boss]

Well...you must have been through Ford sales school.

Here is the "REAL STORY"

No one, I mean NoONE orders an 8 foot bed supercab, no-one orders the "Heavy payload" package from Ford.

You see, I have worked for, and cut my teeth selling Ford trucks, for a very high volume truck dealer. At any one time...WE NEVER HAVE A STUPID 8 foot bed on a supercab..PERIOD...THOSE TRUCKS ARE SALEPROOF..unless it is a F250-F350.

So read and regurgitate some lame Ford BS all you want. I am a DIE-HARD Ford fan, and your reasoning is so far from reality....that is fact from someone who SELLS FORD trucks.

The Titan CLEARLY outpowers all 04 F150's....

Sorry pal, but next time do some real world research. Anybody can quote propaganda

[mrfa]

Check out the heavy duty payload package with 8 ft box on the F-150 if you want a serious work truck with a great ride and massive low end torque.

FYI, this pantyhose getter titan make 379 @ 3600 while the f150 makes 365 @ 3750 of torque. Not bad for a pantyhose courier imo. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif


Also, from the four wheeler magazine on the truck of the year contest, they commented that the 04 f150 don't feel like having the power and torque as advertised.

[thylantyr]

I'm not biased towards any these vehicles, but
I found some reading material.

Found this on the trailer 'Open Roads Forum'..

Tow Vehicles is the specific forum. A great forum for researching because everyone there is pulling heavy loads. /hehe

F150 testimonial
http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/13236640.cfm

Titan testimonial
http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/13238742.cfm

[rshe]

something like that space between your ears. I will gladly take my Titan to the store, all the while smiling down on your sorry a$$,



All I'm saying is points like the one above are not productive and will make one question the validity of your other points, which may in fact be absolutely correct.

[frontierq]

something like that space between your ears. I will gladly take my Titan to the store, all the while smiling down on your sorry a$$,



All I'm saying is points like the one above are not productive and will make one question the validity of your other points, which may in fact be absolutely correct.



rshe, let the man speak his mind!

[70boss]

You guys would have a field day at the main pickup truck forum.

www.pickuptruck.com (http://www.pickuptruck.com)

mostly a bunch of domestic loaylists. I have been relentless in my Titan defense. A decent group of guys, but very closed-minded when it comes to trucks. I am the official Nissan pimp over there...and I don't cut any of them slack. It's quite amusing.

[mrfa]

Ford Trucks Expensive to Fix, Tests Show

The Daily Auto Insider
Friday, December 12, 2003
December 2003


In a continuing series of bumper crash tests performed by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, an industry-funded research and lobbying organization, two new Ford trucks did poorly.

In the test, the front and back of both vehicles were subjected to five-mph impacts which, the institute says, simulate low-speed crashes in a parking lot or heavy traffic.

The 2004 F-150 pickup required an average of $1,500 in repairs in each of four tests and the 2004 Ford Freestar minivan required an average of $700 in repairs.

The F-150 sustained the most damage — $2,041 in repairs — when it backed into a pole. The Freestar sustained the most damage — $1,239 — when its front end hit an angled barrier.

Ford responded to the tests with the following statement: "[Ford] designs all of its vehicle bumper systems to perform well in the company's stringent internal testing. These tests by the IIHS are conducted to determine cost estimates to repair damage incurred in low speed bumper impact tests and are not related to occupant safety. In addition, these tests may not be representative of the type of damage that occurs in real world situations."

[sparkydog1]

70BOSS,

You said, "Here is the "REAL STORY" No one, I mean NoONE orders an 8 foot bed supercab, no-one orders the "Heavy payload" package from Ford. You see, I have worked for, and cut my teeth selling Ford trucks, for a very high volume truck dealer."

I am sure your are a very smart guy so you must of gotten some soap in your eyes cleaning up those vehicles and missed some details. It will only take one example to prove you wrong. See post by HAMRadioW6LAR on the Open Roads Forum: http://www.trailerlife.com/cforum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/9207168/gotomsg/12882464.cfm.

Your needs may indeed be met by the Titan. The point I am making is that the Titon body styles, boxes, and options are much more limited. A purse compartment and the claimed marginally higher HP and torque figures are not going to close the gigantic sales gap. Even if the marginally higher HP and torque figures are correct, it is such a small a difference that anyone could add a K&N filter to the F-150 to erase it if they cared. Now that you are pointing out difference, I might as well point out some too. For those considering a Titan, check out those massive view obstructing A pillars when you take a test ride. Also, even though the leg room figures are similar for the F-150 and Titan, notice the annoying intrusion of the wheel well into your foot space on the Titan. Also notice the claustrophobic inducing lack of room in front of your knees and shins in the front row. To get that snub nose, they had to shove the wheel well and engine right into the cabin. If you're a little short guy it might not bother you. Also, what's with all that fake chrome above the bumper and that big black piece of plastic on the tailgate. I certainly welcome a new player in the truck field because it keeps the big three on their toes. The F-150s, including supercabs with 8 ft. boxes and heavy duty payload packages, are selling like hot cakes.

[Derwud]

Spark Dog,

As was stated in the Trailer forums, If I want the heavier payload, I'm going F-250. As for myself, I want a 30 foot Toyhauler and if I get it, I'm getting an F-350 to tow it! But, for my 19 foot Trailer, the Titan is my only choice!

Now as for your 8 foot bed argument, if you want to make the biggest splash in the 1/2 ton market and can only build on a limited Frame and wheelbase for the first two years, you would target where 80 percent of the sales are! Make trucks for the smaller markets (HD's and Work truck's) and you will fail! So is Nissan making a marketing decision, hell yes! Are they making a good decision, only time will tell, but it looks good so far!

As for your design issues. I'm 6'2" 255lbs and I got more than enough leg room and elbow room. I even run the seat up a little, better control of the steering wheel.

I have no visibility with the "A" pillar, when I first saw the truck I was nervous about it, but have yet to have a problem seeing around it.

After I get my Gibson exhaust installed and my Fresh air intake and a few other "mods" I'll head to the track to see if there are any F-150's who need to watch my taillights for a 1/4 mile, while towing my trailer.

Now with all that said if you would like to add something to this board that might be more than a slam, please do so.

Oh and wait till Toyota and Nissan make 3/4 ton HD trucks, now that will be fun!

[sparkydog1]

Dear Wood,

Make sure those panty hose and such are tied down...and lock that purse compartment. After the funny trucks are done entertaining, we don't want to see nylon, fake chrome, and makeup all over the track.

[mrfa]

LOL, all this japanese auto bashing reminds me the reaction when the first datsun 510 and toyota corona hit the american soil. When the japanese won the subcompact war they then went on to compete with the domestic midsize with accord, camary, 626, altima/maxima, then again on the luxury line with lexus, infinti, acura. Now that the japan is ready to take on the last domestic auto domain, trucks. So, the same rherotics are expected. BTW, i think the japan won the hybrid vehicle war too.

[Keane]

Sparkydog - Thank god you are around - Ford needs your support.
Quite frankly, Ford is not selling a ton of the new F150's. The total sales of all F150s in December of 2003 only equals (give or take) what they sold of the "Heritage" models in 2001. So, it looks good that they are up in 2003 over 2002, but they aren't up over 2001. Also, all those 850,000 odd F trucks that were sold, include all the F-250 and F-350s. I really don't think that Nissan is going to stop all those sales (they can only produce a max of 400,000) and really only want to produce 100,000 to 150,000, but eventually they will dent and lower Fords profit per vehicle; and cause harm.

[Derwud]

Dear Wood,

Make sure those panty hose and such are tied down...and lock that purse compartment. After the funny trucks are done entertaining, we don't want to see nylon, fake chrome, and makeup all over the track.



Yeah I would to hve that stuff hit the F-150 behind me, it hurt the poor little thing.

[KSoze]

Yeah, I bet that Nissan grill and bumper will be soooo much cheaper than the Ford to replace...you'll also have fun buying more expensive parts when the warranty is up on your titan...The local ford dealership is selling atleast one new F-150 a day...the same Titans are sitting on the lot that were there 2 months ago...I think the Titan is a very respectable truck but I wouldn't underestimate the F-150...You can't go wrong with either of them

[SilviaS14]

Yeah, I bet that Nissan grill and bumper will be soooo much cheaper than the Ford to replace...you'll also have fun buying more expensive parts when the warranty is up on your titan...



Foreign car parts have always been more expensive... didn't stop people from buying foreign before and it sure as hell isn't going to stop them now. I don't even know why you even bring that up...

This "expensive parts" rhetoric bullshiite is moot becuase you'll be fixing it less often then a domestic.

[KSoze]

I brought it up because someone took it upon themselves to post an article about the expensive bumper damage done to the F-150...the article doesn't really say much...all trucks would cost nearly that much to repair...so it has no bearing as to whether the Titan is better than the F-150(the point of this discussion)
You bash a truck simply because it's a "domestic"...you have the perception that import=better...Not all domestics will require more repairs than imports; the F-150 happens to have a very good track record...
How do you know the future anyone will have with their vehicle?...Making such a general statement shows your logic is flawed...

[Derwud]

I brought it up because someone took it upon themselves to post an article about the expensive bumper damage done to the F-150...the article doesn't really say much...all trucks would cost nearly that much to repair...so it has no bearing as to whether the Titan is better than the F-150(the point of this discussion)
You bash a truck simply because it's a "domestic"...you have the perception that import=better...Not all domestics will require more repairs than imports; the F-150 happens to have a very good track record...
How do you know the future anyone will have with their vehicle?...Making such a general statement shows your logic is flawed...


If you take an attack attitude, what do expext people do? You don't have to like the Titan or Nissan, but if you don't and want to voice your opinion in the way you have then except the responses.

Oh and if you don't like the article, write to the Magazine!

[SilviaS14]

I brought it up because someone took it upon themselves to post an article about the expensive bumper damage done to the F-150...the article doesn't really say much...all trucks would cost nearly that much to repair...so it has no bearing as to whether the Titan is better than the F-150(the point of this discussion)
You bash a truck simply because it's a "domestic"...you have the perception that import=better...Not all domestics will require more repairs than imports; the F-150 happens to have a very good track record...
How do you know the future anyone will have with their vehicle?...Making such a general statement shows your logic is flawed...



Me = F150 owner... 1 engine rebuild, 2 transmission overhauls, 4 starters, 3 alternators and a heap of other repairs. The parts maybe cheap, but the failure rate makes that a moot point.

[sparkydog1]

It was good to bring up the crash damage subject. It should stimulate some good discussion.

The reality is that all vehicles will have significant damage to them from even minor collisions. The priority is on the safety of occupants -- that means energy aborbing crush zones. Does anyone think that those wimpy bumpers, fake chrome, and plastic on the front & back of the Titan won't break or will be cheap to repair? Nissan does have one advantage because of the Titan's styling that they surely did not expect. It's so outlandish that other drivers are not likely to park too close, thus decreasing low speed collision probability. It's kind of like those gothic weirdos with the black clothes, orange or blue spike hair, white makeup, studs, chains, and body piercings. It's a repellant to closeness IMHO.

Offsetting the positive but unintended crash repellant affect of the Titan's styling is another fact. That huge flat expanse of fake chrome on the front will collect bugs like crazy. After a drive on the summer day, we are going to have to spray and scrub to get that mass of bugs off. With all those bug crashes, solvents, and scrubbing, that fake chrome is going to flake off the plastic and go from outlandish to tacky fast. Fake chrome is notoriously susceptable to this kind of damage and Nissan must hold the world record for the amount used on the Titan front end. Derwud, have you looked up the cost to replace it? Is there some kind of a bra available yet to veil the front view and protect that fake chrome from bug damage? It will be a must-have aftermarket accessory for the Titan.

[vipercp]

Insurance (since other trucks are afraid of Titan guess no problems there!) http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Pam (use it on the Vipers works great for bug problems)

Both problems solved http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[sparkydog1]

Good idea. You can keep the PAM in your purse compartment. Does PAM restore flaked and abraided fake chrome? What do you do if actually want a good looking truck? Maybe Nissan will fix it next year. After a couple years it's going to look like a 70s leisure suit.

[70boss]

Sorry Sparky...barking up the wrong tree here.

Will Nissan ever sell more Titans than Ford.. NO, they never claimed to, nor do they have the capacity.

The F150 is totally weak compared to the Titan...if you have doubts..go drive one, or refer to ALL published performance tests...It is simply...NO comparison.

8 foot bed supercab 150's are SALEPROOF.....That is the bottom line..

Go away troll

[mrfa]

sparky, what absorbing crush zones?

http://www.leasetips.com/f150crashtest.htm

http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150

Even a subcompact mini did better.

I'm sure ford had addressed this problem for 2004 model. Maybe they addressed the problem too well, now the crush zones (bumpers) are too crushy http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

2004 model: (Ford's F-150 recently received "Good" and "Best Pick" ratings in a 40 mph frontal offset crash test from the U.S. Insurance Institute for Highway Safety - ed.)

[Path&Max]

The bottom line is Nissan did an exceptional job right out of the box. Don't you guys think that they will offer heavy-duty versions in a year or two? They had to start somewhere and they didn't want to make the same mistakes Toyota did with the first T100. Just read the CD test the Titan is a hot rod compared to the 150. Is it perfect? No, but look how many attempts Ford has had to try to get it right! The F150 is a nice truck but for all the years of practice ford has had making trucks it should be. Nissan spent allot of money and in the next couple of years I'll bet you will see heavy-duty versions.

[WayFastBike]

Does anyone know what a good price is on Titans? Are they selling at the invoice or what? I am getting close to a decision but need to know what I should be targeting for a price. I read somewhere that you should never pay over invoice but don't know if that is accurate.

[staackman]

sorry sparky...butt...

i have to agree with 70boss.. having worked in the automotive industry going on 20 years ford has always offered packages to get bigger better numbers..butt..and a very big butt..you never ever see these vehicles built.. and yes i love my nissan cause it absolutely spanked the s**t out of the ford that my local/friend dealer loaned me for a week while i made my decision..
the real interesting fact.. now that i have bought mine and there are now 6 more titans in town in less than a month he is considering buying nissan franchise rights.. even my ford dealer knows that the nissan is the better truck.. and i am in bfe MO...."ford country"

smile sparky i have only been on this site one day and can tell i am gonna love gettin under your skin...

[Davegvg]

I like my Ford products
93 SHO- awesome car
93 f-150 lightning -killer- and faster than my buddies 454ss - now with dart Snr. heads.

I Love my titan though!

It simply offers more technology and a better overall drivetrain package than the domestics.