Toyota Crown [Archive] - FreshAlloy.com Forums

GTRV35

10-17-2003, 07:29 PM

The Toyota Crown is actually the Lexus IS300 replacement. It goes without saying that Toyota felt the car's biggest hitch was its lack of size. I know you've probably heard this before anyway.V6 power too.

Deadpool

10-17-2003, 07:58 PM

Crown is about the size of LS. Thats not very logical imho.

GTRV35

10-17-2003, 08:28 PM

Actually, its not! http://response.jp/issue/2003/1015/article54687_1.images/57087.jpg

crea

10-17-2003, 09:20 PM

Crown have been around for as long as i can remember.

toyota will never use a crown to replace their altezza

shaun

10-17-2003, 09:43 PM

Crown have been around for as long as i can remember.

toyota will never use a crown to replace their altezza

exactly...also the crown is not really a sports sedan. In fact its less sporty (as far as looks) then any lexus car. and even less sporty looking then their suvs. Im not saying that lexus makes particularly sporty cars. However, this thing is beyond boring.

_Eric_

10-18-2003, 12:49 AM

This would be a much better replacement for the Avalon.

M_TYPE_X

10-18-2003, 05:03 AM

I don't know, is the Crown line FR?

CoCo_PuFf

10-18-2003, 05:25 AM

there could be some truth to this. he said that the crown is the replacement for the IS300 not the Altezza. just because our IS300 was the Altezza, doesn't mean Lexus can't import another car and give it the same name. the next Altezza is probably going to keep it's boy racer appeal, and seeing how Lexus is known for cushy, boring luxurious cars, I can actually see it happening.......it's also sad http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/tear.gif

M_TYPE_X

10-18-2003, 10:14 AM

G20 = Primera, G35= Skyline

It happens. The G series has been two different cars.
"Maxima" nameplate has been put on an FR car as well as some pretty different stuff than what it is now, except it's always been the flagship sedan for Nissan-badge in the USA.

FanaticZ

10-18-2003, 10:39 AM

that doesn't make much sense. whats it even based on, random thoughts?

GTRV35

10-18-2003, 07:20 PM

http://www.canadiandriver.com/news/02images/02toronto/infiniti-g35.jpg

I don't know why you guys say the Crown is large car. doesn't seem any larger than the G35. BTW, just because The Crown has always been A vanilla luxury doesn't mean that's not about to change. No one ever thought the Skyline would turn into what we know it to be today.

FanaticZ

10-18-2003, 08:56 PM

well why did you say its the is300 replacement, what is your reasoning? what nissan is doing has nothing to do with what toyota does. toyota doesn't follow nissan. whats the point of the es300 when this would be nicer inside and out?

http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/crown_concept/images/CROWN_06.jpg
http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/crown_concept/images/CROWN_04.jpg http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/crown_concept/images/CROWN_05.jpg http://www.autoweek.com/specials/2003_tokyo/toyota/crown_concept/images/CROWN_07.jpg

Umi_R98

10-18-2003, 09:50 PM

No one ever thought the Skyline would turn into what we know it to be today.

Ya this one actually sells compared to the previous generation Skylines.

M_TYPE_X

10-18-2003, 10:36 PM

that doesn't make much sense. whats it even based on, random thoughts?

Point is that a nameplate can be used for whatever. Dodge Avenger previously a coupe, but could be used for a next-gen crossover. Mercury Monterey wasn't a minivan before, but it is for 2004! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

scourge

10-19-2003, 12:08 AM

I don't know why you guys say the Crown is large car.

Looks off balcony into parking lot.....well, I'd say its a large car because it is. A Crown is very similar to a Celsior (Lexus LS400).

GTRV35

10-19-2003, 06:42 AM

It is info gathered from a reliable source. you don't have to believe me, but we shall see in the end.

shaun

10-19-2003, 10:41 PM

The only reason I can see as to why lexus would do this is if they wanted to consolidate both the is300 and the es300 into one. I dunno..I guess they could use the crown instead of the altezza if they want to replace both. Kind of sad though if its true. While the IS wasnt particularly fast...its size made it a blast to drive.

shaun

10-19-2003, 10:51 PM

I don't know why you guys say the Crown is large car. doesn't seem any larger than the G35. BTW, just because The Crown has always been A vanilla luxury doesn't mean that's not about to change. No one ever thought the Skyline would turn into what we know it to be today.

How has the skyline changed so much? It was always a rwd/awd sport sedan and coupe. Yeah...it used to have an inline 6 instead of a v6...but if people didn't realize that it would eventually become a v6...they must not have ever really thought about it. Maybe some design cues have changed..like no more round tail lights..but come in...its not like the skyline morphed into a luxo cruiser...its not like the skyline got soft. In fact its probably more sporty than its ever been.

M_TYPE_X

10-20-2003, 05:38 AM

The Crown would make sense as an ES replacement if Lexus wanted to go all RWD, maybe?

GTRV35

10-20-2003, 06:07 AM

I think you misunderstood me. The skyline never sold well as a sedan, and now it does becuase it has gotten bigger, faster, and a lot more refined. The IS300 is loosing in sales because other sport sendans offer the same sport for a lot more room and utility.

FanaticZ

10-20-2003, 09:16 AM

what you're saying with this crown vs is300 in infiniti terms is the r34 skyline sedan may not have sold well, so the next gen skyline is going to be a gloria instead of a new and improved skyline.

lexus has the es300 as the larger sedan and it sells very well, having a sports sedan the same size that has a better exterior and interior would kill the es and i don't think they would have went to the trouble of redesigning the es if this was their plan. the is300 is a nice car, it just needs more refinement and power to make it competitive with the newer cars on the market. the altezza is an old car, the new ~05 altezza should put the is300 back in the game as a sports sedan.

delerium75

10-20-2003, 06:41 PM

The Crown would make sense as an ES replacement if Lexus wanted to go all RWD, maybe?

It's hard to imagine the ES would get dropped altogether seeing as it's probably a cash cow being based off the Camry. As for the Crown, the sheetmetal looks like the car is already 3-4 years old. The ES looks more modern and even the 6-7 year old GS looks comparable. About the only thing that makes sense to me, if indeed the Crown is a large car, that it would suppliment the GS as the luxury side of that size/price class...the GS being the sporty side. That or it becomes the GS...the interior looks fitting for that mission. It's hard to speculate cuz if the Crown's a big car, then Lexus' rationale doesn't seem obvious.

GTRV35

10-20-2003, 07:08 PM

delerium75

10-20-2003, 07:38 PM

you know what, i'm wasting my time with you guys. you either don't wanna listen to what I'm saying or you just don't want to try to understand what i'm saying. i'm not telling you to believe it, but i'm not telling you to try to ridicule me by twisting my words around into falsehoods either.

Heya..it's nothing personal and I don't think it was people's intentions to ridicule you or twist your words around. Given the reality of the current IS300 and the fact that someone said the Crown was a fairly large car, people will question the maker's reasoning for the drastic change, not necessarily yours. This is the car lounge afterall and people will give their $.02 based off the given topic. To most people here, a Lexus IS300 is viewed as a small, sporty sedan and it is certainly difficult for me to accept the possibility of it growing substantially in size. People will discuss and question and debate things that are interesting to them. Welcome to the Car Lounge. http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif

M_TYPE_X

10-20-2003, 09:05 PM

I was saying that IF Lexus ever did want to go all RWD, the Crown would fit where the ES does. I'm not saying that Lexus will/would take out its ES cash cow in this or any other remotely local parallel automotive-market universe.

Take a look @ JDM Toyota car lineup... plenty of ES and GS/LS size sedans. Lexus can grow simply by rebadging more Toyotas if that is what they wanted to do. Infiniti doesn't have such a large selection of JDM Nissan sedans to draw upon any longer.

GroovinGTR

10-20-2003, 09:40 PM

You could look at this in 2 ways: Toyota has totally lost it or they have decided that they are so powerful that they can dictate what the market wants and take the reigna away from BMW. I for one am getting tired of 3-series clones.

dempa

10-22-2003, 06:59 PM

in these pics the crown doesnt look bad

http://response.jp/event/tms2003/image/ti2_img_36740050.jpg
http://response.jp/event/tms2003/image/ti2_img_36720048.jpg
http://response.jp/event/tms2003/image/ti2_img_36810056.jpg

taken from http://response.jp/event/tms2003/list/toy_crown.html

M_TYPE_X

10-22-2003, 07:01 PM

I did read a long history of the Crown before, but if someone wants to dig up the FACTS, please expound on the reasons given WHY the Crown line isn't being sold here.
[It's JDM tyte yo! http://forums.freshalloy.com/images/graemlins/grin.gif]

Hudson

10-23-2003, 06:06 AM

shaun

10-23-2003, 09:36 AM

I think people should just stop believing gtrv35...he really has yet to be right about one thing.

since you work for mazda gtrv35..can you shed any light on why the rx8 isnt putting down enough power to the ground that would correspond with 250 at the crank?

M_TYPE_X

10-23-2003, 07:05 PM

The Crown was sold in the US. It was replaced by the Cressida in the mid 1970s. Since 1990, the US market gets the Toyota Celsior, the big brother to the Crown, as the Lexus LS400/LS430. Selling the new Crown in the US would confuse the market as it would be about the size of the GS but less sporty. Lexus doesn't need a product in between the LS and GS...and Toyota doesn't need a luxury product.

I figured that Toyota probably did sell it in the USA at once point, seeing how Toyota was smaller and fewer models back then. And the Cressida being the replacement in the US market makes sense. BTW Cressidas are pretty nice. You can't really consider the Avalon as a direct replacement for the Cressida.

The Crown looks like the size of the Aristo (Lexus GS) and thus I wouldn't expect Toyota to want to see it here. Lexus is trying to go a bit sportier, and the Crown really makes no sense given the goal of the Lexus brand. Shame.

Nissan_Admirer

10-24-2003, 07:40 PM

Hmm ... It looks like a baby LS430! Isn't the Crown the flagship car of Toyota in Japan?

M_TYPE_X

10-24-2003, 09:18 PM

Hmm ... It looks like a baby LS430! Isn't the Crown the flagship car of Toyota in Japan?

The Crown typically comes in several variants. The Celsior (Lexus LS), Aristo (Lexus GS), and Verossa round out the top of the Toyota JDM lux sedan line along with the various permutations of the Crown.