Finally my home-made manifold is done VK56DE

[justa510]

Just for clarification, this is to attempt to clear the S14 hood, and look decent in the process =) More to come...

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[datboibrad]

PLEASE resize. the glitter is cool tho haha

[Big_Bronze_Rim]

Very nice work, looks like very nice design. Also, the sweet glitter paint is really cool. Keep us posted on the project.

[sr20goofus]

we need some before shots to see what you changed and what it looks like underneith to really appreciate the work that went into this manifold....


here are resized pics.

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Blast! I knew someone would get to this swap before me. Intake looks cool, is it steel?

Fred

[Black96]

Originally Posted by sr20goofus

we need some before shots to see what you changed and what it looks like underneith to really appreciate the work that went into this manifold....

There are pics in the link in his sig of how it looked before and some pics of the Moc up:

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

That looks very tight, is the brake booster gonna fit?

Fred

[Broaner]

Very nice work. How did you get injector seats? Did you machine them or buy correctly sized seats somewhere? Also, is the OEM mani a duel plenum or is it just high to optimize flow?

Do you guys have the motor in the car yet or you just did measuring for the fab? How much does the motor weigh. Thats just a huge displacement for the light car. Its gonna rip.

[justa510]

Yes the manifold is steel, its 7lbs heavier than the stock plastic manifold. Aluminum was just too cost prohibitive right now. Someday I may go back and remake it from aluminum.

The brake booster we are working on a way to mount it under the dash, actually entuning I believe is working on a setup now that I may help fab up.

The injector bosses I made. The OEM manifold is a single plenum, with exceptionally long runners, the stock manifold is approximately 9.5" high, the new manifold is about 4.375" high, hopefully just under the stock hood.

The mounts are made, check the link in the SIG, but they have to be welded in when I pull the motor out after I finish the oil pan, which is the next step in the project. Converting the pan to a front sump, and adding a bolt on trap door pan...

The motor weighs 530 with all accessories, I will be running No AC.
Trans I am using is the armada 5 speed auto, which many of you may not understand, but I feel its super strong, and I'll take the 100lb penalty over a 5 or 6 speed, the car is going to see some auto-x, 1/4 mile, street duty, and some drift events....

Pics before the coating:

[gunluvS14]

WOW!!!


more tomorrow

[tErbobOOst]

Not knocking you...

But did you do any engineering of the design? Run the math to choose runner length and size?

Looks awesome. Mad props.

[justa510]

yes I engineered it, I have a 3D model of most of it, obviously I am severely limited on height to clear the hood so that was the primary concern, the runner length was made as long as it could be given the space.

After reviewing the aftermarket intake manifolds for the LS1, and other GM V8s, that runner style was chosen, as the opening on a tube when cut at an angle gives a much larger port than the runner size, and the openings were blended in to provide a slight radius. No velocity stack type of port was used, as forced induction is a future goal.

The consideration was that the Titan motor is very torquey, but seems a bit short on HP at 305hp vs 379ft-lb, so the hope was that with a shorter runner, I may lose torque, but gain on the upper end, and with a light car, that was acceptable to me.

Also, the future goal was to supercharge the motor, but thats WAY down on the list of things to do.. And if I can make enough power NA, then I will stay that way.

[s13SRmadness]

you really cant drift an auto car.
kinda sorta, but not really.
you can power-over a first turn and sloppily manage to link a couple, but it wont really be drifting.
that manifold is gangster though.
there is a z33 with a titan motor that drifts. he used the z33 trans. dont know how he made it work, but it works.

[justa510]

Cant drift an auto eh?
hmmm, I can still downshift it =)
Maybe a paddle shift someday... =)

Anyhow, I'm sure its not optimal for drifting no doubt, but I might be able to have some fun here and there with the power on tap... =)

[Broaner]

IMO, autos can do nothing but drag; and that they do very well. I like the fab but I think your goals for the car don't match with that tranny. Perhaps you could look into the 6Spd Z33 tranny. Perhaps an adapter can be made again by the same company that made the one for the Z33. Or by slim luck(or a bit of planning for the future on Nissans part) they have the same bolt pattern.

[justa510]

we shall see, with the rear end ratio at 4.08:1, I should be able to keep the motor right where I will need it for some autoX, and drift, but we will see.

The main issue was that I knew there would be quite a bit of fabrication, and modification to the chassis, and other systems on the car, and I wanted to not add another piece to the mix. A manual is not out of the question later, but I wanted to keep the length of the project somewhat reasonable.

[justa510]

Couple pics with the TB on and the fuel rails mounted, still need to paint the fuel rails...
And just for clarity, yes the TB comes off the back of the manifold.

[Broaner]

You're gonna attempt to run E-gas on this fxcker? Thats tough man. Good luck.

Why use OEM style rails?

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Originally Posted by Broaner

You're gonna attempt to run E-gas on this fxcker? Thats tough man. Good luck.

Why use OEM style rails?

It really shouldn't be that tough if he's using a stock ECU. Mounting the pedal mounted TPS would be the toughest detail.

Fred

[justa510]

Originally Posted by Fred_Allen_Burge

It really shouldn't be that tough if he's using a stock ECU. Mounting the pedal mounted TPS would be the toughest detail.

Fred

HA, the toughest detail is mounting the pedal, are you serious?

On the fuel rail, I dont see any point in fabricating one if the stocker fits and is functional, and looks decent, besides with the returnless setup, it has the dampers on it already.

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Originally Posted by justa510

HA, the toughest detail is mounting the pedal, are you serious?

Yes, I am actually. If you're using the VK's stock auto tranny then I assume your using it's engine computer and it's tranny computer. If so then I'm sure you'll want to use the stock engine harness, right? So, all the hard wiring stuff is done, just provide the stock VK harness with power and ground where it needs it. The only critical sensor then that you'll be missing will be that pedal TPS sensor unless I'm missing something....

Fred

[justa510]

Titan/Armada TCM is built into the trans.
Pedal ASSY is required yes, drive by wire.
BCM (Body control module) is required and needs to be wired in to the engine harness.
If you have a NATS ECU, you need to wire in the antenna AMP, and have the proper ignition, as well as have a keyed BCM to go with it. If you are smart, you get a Titan XE ECU AND BCM which are NON-NATS, if you plug in a non NATS module to a NATS ECU, the module becomes NATS, and there is no way to reverse it. PER Nissan USA.

Oh yea, you also need the IPDM (Intelligent powed distribution module), basically an intelligent relay system that works on the CAN. If youre not familiar with the CAN system on the new nissans, I suggest you check that out as well.

None of these modules are on the Engine harness, they are on the body harness. So you need those modules and plugs, and have to manually wire them all into the engine harness.

Its not cake, but its not incredibly hard if you can follow a manual. Although, I did submit a couple FSM errors through Nissan's Tech line at the dealer.
Once I get it all wired up I will post ALL the wiring info I have. I have all the wires marked and the pinouts to wire into S14 1996 harness, as my 95 came from Nissan with a 96 harness, or someone was REAL good when they put that non 95 harness in, it looked factory to me...

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Yup, sounds like a fair bit of work, hope you have a good connection at a salvage yard or you'll be paying a ton for all those modules and their connectors. Also, my computer says the Titan tranny module is under the RH side of the dash, not built into the tranny, are you sure about that?

After reading all that, I'd have to say megasquirt for the win, and a manual tranny of course.

Fred

[justa510]

I have an armada trans, and as far as the manual goes, the TCM is inside the trans, at least thats what I have found..

I have everything from a Titan already.
I'm wondering how hard it will be to wire something up to monitor the CAN system, and get info..... all in good time...

Someday, I might go that route, but for now, I'd be happy to have it running and driving =) The wife jsut had our daughter 2 weeks ago =)

[Broaner]

This just in. NPM says the VK share the same bolt pattern as the VQ40 which would mean a 6Spd out of a Nismo Frontier would work fine. No wiring required for the tranny at all.

[gunluvS14]

i just noticed.. the TB is going to point into the firewall?
does the VK56 runs drive by wire?

[Fred_Allen_Burge]

Originally Posted by Broaner

This just in. NPM says the VK share the same bolt pattern as the VQ40 which would mean a 6Spd out of a Nismo Frontier would work fine. No wiring required for the tranny at all.

And I believe the new VQ35HR will share the same pattern as the VQ40 so that means people with new Z's and G's (that have the new VQ35HR) could drop in a VK56DE pretty easy, cool, 560Z sounds good.

Fred

[Broaner]

That'd be insane to see a motor that wide in a Z. I'm still waiting to see how horribly tight its going to be in this 240.

[justa510]

i just noticed.. the TB is going to point into the firewall?
does the VK56 runs drive by wire?
Yes, since the firewall reconstruction is happening anyhow, the TB is pointed to the rear to help everything clear the hood.

This just in. NPM says the VK share the same bolt pattern as the VQ40 which would mean a 6Spd out of a Nismo Frontier would work fine. No wiring required for the tranny at all.

This may be an option down the road, but until those trannies make it out there in the salvage yards, they are a bit costly.

That'd be insane to see a motor that wide in a Z. I'm still waiting to see how horribly tight its going to be in this 240.

Measure between the strut towers on a 350Z, I think you will find its actually a smaller engine bay, as well as hood clearance. I think it fits in the engine bay pretty nicely

[Broaner]

Nissan trannies are super cheap. Even if they are brand new. I got my Z33 6MT out of a yard for $875 shipped with 3K miles.

Car-part.com shows two on there now for $1350 and $1200. Its one of those unlinkable pages so I can't link directly but do the search for yourself. You'll thank yourself sooo much for not fxcking with the auto down the road. So much extra weight. So much uncontrolled torque. So much drivetrain loss.

[skillvia]

Nice Job! rich. glad to see it coming along. you are doing an awesome job. i got a brake booster so i will hit you up later.

[justa510]

Originally Posted by Broaner

Nissan trannies are super cheap. Even if they are brand new. I got my Z33 6MT out of a yard for $875 shipped with 3K miles.

Car-part.com shows two on there now for $1350 and $1200. Its one of those unlinkable pages so I can't link directly but do the search for yourself. You'll thank yourself sooo much for not fxcking with the auto down the road. So much extra weight. So much uncontrolled torque. So much drivetrain loss.

Someday maybe =) right now I just have no free money to spen on another tranny, and until I can confirm the bolt pattern, at the time it was not a risk I was willing to take.

Thanks for the info though...

Eric, cool on the Brake Booster =) I am beginning work on the oil pan tonight.

[gunluvS14]

any update?

[gatecrasher]

beautiful work man

[stupidbikerboy]

Great work on the manifold!

[Wantboost]

i may be able to help you on the brake booster issue.

look at kugel components. they make a 90 degree brake setup with booster that i currently have on my car

[gunluvS14]

someone mentioned about the VK56 into 350z, i finally caught up with today's news and found out Chris Forsberg already made it happened. VK56 with 6speed tranny.

this is the only picture I can find

[hernameissilvia]

That idiot, he put the manifolds on backwards!!

[Wantboost]

i think it was one that way because of clearance issues

[Mister_CoOkie]

They are running into hood clearance issues!