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    Getting closer and closer to picking up a 2014 Altima

    Beautiful SL 4 cyl, classy charcoal lather w/ Nav/Sunroof and Java exterior.

    -But this would be the first time ever I get a loan w/o a big downpayment and plus I am upside down on my trade-in.
    Not a good situation at all

    -But despite ,my current cash flow shortage, for my income this is not an excessive $$ purchase .

    -and even though I do enjoy my 2009 maxima and it has a 5 yr old Garmin in it..I WOULD BE helped by a reliable new car w/ Nav and long unrefueled range for all the various routes I take deep into the boonies.

    -Also the current loan I am in on the Max has terrible interest rate and the new loan would be much better.

    -BUT I just did an Expensive Mobil 1 oilchange and put brand new tires on the Max and even tho it lacks nav and leather and has less range, it drives great and has under 50,000 miles on it and still looks quite good...

    - (but it IS a car that had severe accidents).

    - Also it will only be another 6 months I get to use a military rebate..

    So lots of different factors playing into this.

    Thoughts?
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    Or, for about the same money, step up to this ....................
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    ...in tech the last gen M is a step back though.
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    Gorgeous.
    yes a used M37 is quite in that price range.

    But I really want the nearly 700 mile unrefuelled range..
    "In the end we all just play the roles given us... Sometimes they dont fit so well,... but I guess we make do."

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    Here are my list of likes and dislikes after 40k miles in my 2014 altima.

    Likes: great gas mileage- take it easy and you will be rewarded. Great seats that are comfortable. Nav system inputs while driving and you can say whole addresses in 1 easy step. Very responsive 2 inputs on the throttle. Makes very sporty noises in sport mode. Also downshift rev matches... Back seat is high off the ground giving you a very comfortable place 2 sit with
    great foot space. Quiet road and wind noise. Relaxed engine during cruising. 2000rpm is almost 80...

    Dislikes: harsh engine moan/groan at about 1950 rpm only under cold outside temps with the engine warm. It's irritating... Like really... This is not related 2 the engine noise/rattle at 1500rpm that the 2013 altima had which was fixed by replacing the alternator! My 2013 had the same problem when it got cold. Not heard when the temps are warm... The blind spot monitoring system goes wonkers when the weather is 2 rainy. Displays false lights when a car is not in the blind spot sometime. Bose audio system sounds different from my 2013(not in a good way). Sounds more boomy and makes it easy 2 blow a speaker. Music doesn't sound the same. I have some wear on my steering wheel. I'm having a fuel problem/transmission problem. Not sure what it is but I have videos... Oh and my car didn't start for 5 mins the other day and it cut off in the middle of a busy intersection about 4 hrs ago. Could've died...

    Besides that I love my car lmfao! Test drive 1 when the temps are cold. Maybe less than 40 degrees... Pay attention to the noise. Maybe its just my 2 cars lol...

    I have many more likes and maybe a few more dislikes but I'm probably scaring you by now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by palmerwmd View Post
    But I really want the nearly 700 mile unrefuelled range..
    Hmm, so you're willing to trade the rush of 340 ponies for some added MPG? Will you find is as enjoyable when you are stuck behind someone poking down a 2 lane & you don't have the power to pass safely with that 4 pot & rubber band transmission? The sound of the V8 burbling under the hood ? Not breaking into a cold sweat merging on a busy freeway? Effortless passing @ felonious speeds (not that I ever do that sort of thing ).

    At the end of the day, is it really worth giving up the power & fun that comes with it to save a few hundred $$ a year
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    Its not about saving money but I want the ability to drive long distances even when gas is not readily available due to black out etc
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    If you get the Altima....do yourself a huge favor and get the 3.5 engine, particularly if you're coming from a Maxima. The 3.5 engine obviously will not have the fuel range as the 4 cylinder, but, if you're consistent with cruise control use and if you don't gun the accelerator often, and drive within the speed limit you will be pleasantly pleased with fuel range with the 3.5 can offer. And when you need power, the 270bhp of the 3.5 engine, mated to the CVT will be more than enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seldomseen View Post
    If you get the Altima....do yourself a huge favor and get the 3.5 engine, particularly if you're coming from a Maxima. The 3.5 engine obviously will not have the fuel range as the 4 cylinder, but, if you're consistent with cruise control use and if you don't gun the accelerator often, and drive within the speed limit you will be pleasantly pleased with fuel range with the 3.5 can offer. And when you need power, the 270bhp of the 3.5 engine, mated to the CVT will be more than enough.
    About gas mileage - we just drove the wife's 2014 4-cyl Alti from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area to Vegas and Phoenix and back, and the best mileage we saw was just under 34. We did a similar trip in the spring in my Acura RLX (3.5 V6, 310 hp) and saw the same mileage, if not slightly better.

    I think that 700-mile range is a wet dream. The best we could have gotten (without risking stranding) is more in the 550 range.
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    I hear ya Fred. Your desires and requirements for a new vehicle sound very much like my own.

    Not to discourage an Altima purchase, but here goes:

    For going long distances into the boonies on a single tank, I don't think that anything in the segment is going to top the Passat TDI:



    He matched the Altima's EPA highway number in his combined number driving around the SF Bay area.

    I have seen members of VW forums claim upwards of 60mpg highway and 800-1,000 miles on a single tank during long road trips.

    I just took one to North Carolina to visit my newly relocated sister for TG. The venerable 05 Altima got a respectable 32 mpg overall; this was despite the engine's sudden need to burn all 4.5 quarts of oil on a 1,000 mile round trip, forcing me to buy a jug of Mobil 1 synthetic to funnel in and save the engine. That's all well and good, but I keep imagining what it would feel like to get double the mpgs in a diesel Passat.

    The interior materials are comparable to the Altima and the build quality is much better. I haven't driven one yet, but every review seems to praise the lack of body roll and sharp turn-in for a FWD car. Or maybe I'm just high on late-model VWs after riding in family members' cars all weekend.

    I've never had a diesel, but would try one. I'm not stuck in 1980 like my dad, who expects them to never start in freezing temperatures (which we never even get anymore) and explode at 30,000 miles. Where did the Maxima diesel go, Nissan!

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    Hmm.........
    "In the end we all just play the roles given us... Sometimes they dont fit so well,... but I guess we make do."

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    I've got no interest in a diesel or a VW. To each his own but I don't trust the entire diesel experience in the US. If your going to buy a basic family car why go German? The handling might be a bit better but, in the end, you will pay for it again and again and again.

    Your dreaming if you think the build quality of any German vehicle is better than the Japanese. I think you might be referring to something else. (history has proven the Japanese can't be beat in build quality) I'd take the VW over the Altima though any day of the week. It is pricier however. I think it is more comparable to the Maxima at the higher end of the price range. At the lower end the Altima is a much better buy.

    You might want to stop with the synthetic oil in the old Altima by the way. A little thicker oil might be more suitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayG35 View Post
    I hear ya Fred. Your desires and requirements for a new vehicle sound very much like my own.

    Not to discourage an Altima purchase, but here goes:

    For going long distances into the boonies on a single tank, I don't think that anything in the segment is going to top the Passat TDI:



    He matched the Altima's EPA highway number in his combined number driving around the SF Bay area.

    I have seen members of VW forums claim upwards of 60mpg highway and 800-1,000 miles on a single tank during long road trips.

    I just took one to North Carolina to visit my newly relocated sister for TG. The venerable 05 Altima got a respectable 32 mpg overall; this was despite the engine's sudden need to burn all 4.5 quarts of oil on a 1,000 mile round trip, forcing me to buy a jug of Mobil 1 synthetic to funnel in and save the engine. That's all well and good, but I keep imagining what it would feel like to get double the mpgs in a diesel Passat.

    The interior materials are comparable to the Altima and the build quality is much better. I haven't driven one yet, but every review seems to praise the lack of body roll and sharp turn-in for a FWD car. Or maybe I'm just high on late-model VWs after riding in family members' cars all weekend.

    I've never had a diesel, but would try one. I'm not stuck in 1980 like my dad, who expects them to never start in freezing temperatures (which we never even get anymore) and explode at 30,000 miles. Where did the Maxima diesel go, Nissan!
    Your car burned 4-1/2 quarts of oil in 1,000 miles???

    You must have been laying down a smokescreen. There's something seriously worng with a car that burns that much oil (unless, of course, it's a diesel).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_TX View Post
    Your car burned 4-1/2 quarts of oil in 1,000 miles???

    You must have been laying down a smokescreen. There's something seriously worng with a car that burns that much oil (unless, of course, it's a diesel).
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    What can I say, synthetic oil change less than 3k miles ago, car behaving fine before the trip, NO visible signs of blue smoke or oil spots under the car anywhere-- yet the oil pan was dry when it started making disagreeable sounds. Absolutely no sign of anything liquid on Le Dipstick. It's either one monster of a bad PCV valve or the last place that did my oil put like 1 quart in there.

    Will find out in a few days when I don't have 20 tests and job interviews per day.

    You must have been laying down a smokescreen. There's something seriously worng with a car that burns that much oil (unless, of course, it's a diesel).
    I see what I did there.

    Good diesel joke setup!

    Your dreaming if you think the build quality of any German vehicle is better than the Japanese.
    History has proven quite the opposite. Build quality != reliability. Not breaking down and needing $2k+ repairs is where the Japanese have had the edge since probably the 80s.

    Bri you asked why go German for a family sedan? Several in my inner circle have, for these reasons: solid build, no CVT automatics, available manuals (with VW at least), better driving dynamics, and of course the age-old "German engineering" meme (which is not always superior, as we know). I can't really argue with those reasons, and I myself may consider one some day because of them.
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    Your insane if you don't believe the Honda Accord is a better engineered vehicle than anything ever from Germany, as an example. Build quality does = reliability. Germans may be more innovative however. You pay for this innovation.

    Reread your sentence: "History has proven quite the opposite. Build quality != reliability. Not breaking down and needing $2k+ repairs is where the Japanese have had the edge since probably the 80s." Proves my point.

    You're not making sense or I misunderstand you.

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    Jay; sorry about your bad luck with the oil in the altima.

    I would be suspicious of the last oil change place...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indemand View Post
    Your insane if you don't believe the Honda Accord is a better engineered vehicle than anything ever from Germany, as an example. Build quality does = reliability. Germans may be more innovative however. You pay for this innovation.

    Reread your sentence: "History has proven quite the opposite. Build quality != reliability. Not breaking down and needing $2k+ repairs is where the Japanese have had the edge since probably the 80s." Proves my point.

    You're not making sense or I misunderstand you.
    You misunderstand me. A car can be designed to need expensive repairs more often and still be assembled to a higher standard and with higher-quality materials. I could compare a more reliable early 2000s Accord (my bro-in-law had one and hated it with a passion... I kind of liked it) to, say, a B5 Passat. The Passat is an electrical nightmare and has a problematic transmission (so, though, does the Honda when equipped with an automatic), but it is the better-built car with more solid panels and a much nicer interior. I could compare an 03 G35 (mine) with an E46 3-series (two friends have them). Both cars hold up well, but the German car has less signs of wear inside (though the G's leather is nicer). Nissan/Toyota/Honda plastics, I've found begin to really start to look not so hot after 10+ yrs/150+ miles. The hard surfaces accumulate way too many scratches to look presentable unless I go nuts with the Lexol. Buttons begin to wobble and in a few rare cases fall out (though to be fare, that happens with a few BMWs... maybe less with MB).

    A more complex car is much more likely to break down than a simple, 4-cylinder, FWD economy car with a stick. I usually only give German cars a pass for this when they are of an appreciably higher level of performance than, say, a comparable Asian model. That's why I have been perhaps over-critical of non-M BMWs in the past (as luck would have it, I may buy one next year. D'oh! Talk about harsh words coming back to bite you in the @$$ :D). A Nissan GTR is definitely going to break down and need an expensive repair long before most Altimas (though I have a suspicious eye on the 5th gens...). Does that mean that the GT-R's build quality is worse than the Altima? No!

    Fred,

    Thanks for the concern my man. It definitely was the last oil change place. I remember checking the level right afterward, but that could mask perhaps the fact that they put contaminated oil or something of the wrong weight in there. The damn thing hasn't burned one drop of oil in the 1,500 miles since I added 4 qts. of Mobil1. No matter, as I'm either doing it now or, if I'm crazy busy, taking it to a friend of my last trusted mechanic who sadly went out of business recently. He's done work on the G and it's been solid, with no unexpected complications.

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    Engineering and design philosophy comparisons are an interesting subject. From what I've seen, German car engineering until recent years tended to be more pragmatic and tractor-like, with robust parts and rather straightforward designs. When they innovated, it often was with more complexity ... it worked well, but at the expense of more parts or more complicated engineering solutions. In short, they solved engineering problems more with brute force than finesse.

    The Japanese, on the other hand, came out of WW II with a desperate need to do more with less. They were behind Europe in terms of industry prior to the war, and much of their infrastructure was in shambles afterward, so they caught up by observing what others did and scaling it to their production and materials capabilities. That meant they had to improvise and make things more efficient and lighter-weight. The result was more-imaginative engineering, as opposed to the Germans' sledgehammer approach.

    The Japanese also had to deal with the problem of being an island with limited natural resources, whereas the Germans had access to an abundance of coal and steel and other resources.

    So what emerged was basically two approaches to the same general problem. As time has gone on, though, we've seen a greater sharing of engineering theory and practice, and the two philosophies have merged somewhat. Most would say the premium German carmakers still tend to over-engineer a bit, while the Japanese tend to use more innovative solutions to problems.
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    Great Discussion fellas !
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