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    Okay, here's what I want now

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    CZ Scorpion Evo 3 S1 9mm carbine.

    Folding stock, 16.2" hammer-forged barrel, semi-auto, 10-, 20-, or 30-round magazines. Non-reciprocating charging handle with MP5-style lockback and release.

    The one shown has a fake suppressor on it, but it can be removed and a real one screwed on, or you can get it with a simple flash hider. I kind of like the fake can look, since it makes it look beefier.

    I've wanted a pistol-caliber carbine for years and never found one I really liked at a price I liked. The price for this one hurts my feelings a little, since it costs $850 or more when it can be found. That's a price for a good rifle, and this is essentially a long-barrelled pistol. But I still want it.
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    I agree it looks hot..probaly is a good weapon... but I have a powerful aversion to Czechs products.
    "In the end we all just play the roles given us... Sometimes they dont fit so well,... but I guess we make do."

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    You just don't like their stuff, or have you had a bad experience? I had a couple of different CZ75 pistols back in the day, and really liked their designs and the way they shot. This rifle gets really good reviews, but the $850-950 price puzzles me when you can get an AR for $550 and a really good hunting rifle for less than that. Must be a supply and demand thing.
    If someone blows up a school with a bomb they go after the bomber ... if someone shoots up a school they go after the gun.

    A privilege is just a right that has been taken away by government.

    Political correctness is cowardice wrapped in a lie.
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    Its a moral choice.
    50% of the territory of the Czech republic is the result of a modern genocide with years worth of extermination and concentration camps killing approx 25% of the native and indigenous population of the Sudetenland between 1945 and 1949.

    Involving many public torture orgies also, not trying to be a downer but I will gladly supply links as well.

    Its the Holocaust you are not allowed to talk about in Europe (in some countries you will literary see criminal sanctions if you do, when people put up wreaths for the victims at the major massacre and camp sites Czech police will show up and throw them away etc etc)
    This enforced silence in porevious decades has achieved its aim as many are ignorant of it now.

    in recent years even they have been trying to make money with the good name of their victims like "Budweiser Beer" from CZ as just one example.

    There us no town of Budweis in CZ as the Czechs were so proud of their complete genocide on the indigenous and majority population of that town they renamed the town to Ceske Budowice. which translates as Czech Budweis.
    Sellier and Belliot Ammo etc etc.

    Almost everything that is made in CZ is made from stolen property of murder victims

    A downer but if our time on the internet serves any purpose consciousness rasing can always be one of them, here just a small excert from a survivors website
    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...rno/sgi06.html
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    I don't doubt that, Fred. But if we're to take the moral high ground, we can't do any business with Russia, either, since Stalin is said to have been responsible for 50 million deaths and Soviet regimes have murdered hundreds of thousands more right up to the present day.

    And of course, Germany is off limits, since Hitler killed 6 million Jews and dragged his country into a terrible war.

    Japan committed horrible atrocities in their imperial period and pulled us into WWII with a sneak attack that killed over 2,400 Americans.

    Africa has been the site of all manner of purges and political mass murders and violence.

    China is one of the most repressive regimes in modern history.

    Southeast Asia has seen some of the most vicious and murderous regimes in history.


    I'm not trying to be dramatic, but if we exclude every nation that has a bad history, we won't be trading with much of anyone.
    If someone blows up a school with a bomb they go after the bomber ... if someone shoots up a school they go after the gun.

    A privilege is just a right that has been taken away by government.

    Political correctness is cowardice wrapped in a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_TX View Post
    I don't doubt that, Fred. But if we're to take the moral high ground, we can't do any business with Russia, either, since Stalin is said to have been responsible for 50 million deaths and Soviet regimes have murdered hundreds of thousands more right up to the present day.

    And of course, Germany is off limits, since Hitler killed 6 million Jews and dragged his country into a terrible war.

    Japan committed horrible atrocities in their imperial period and pulled us into WWII with a sneak attack that killed over 2,400 Americans.

    Africa has been the site of all manner of purges and political mass murders and violence.

    China is one of the most repressive regimes in modern history.

    Southeast Asia has seen some of the most vicious and murderous regimes in history.


    I'm not trying to be dramatic, but if we exclude every nation that has a bad history, we won't be trading with much of anyone.
    Well Stalin was Georgian and the
    russian people were his victims as much as everyone else.

    The point about CZ is not that they have a dirty past ( we pretty much ALL do) but that this modern genocide forms the basis of their territory and to this day the Benes decrees, which "legalized" all robbery rape torture and murder is still in force today. The CZ justice system is actively denying prosecution.
    Unlike the Polish justice system I might add= which at least attempted to prosecute a post war colonel who ran a death camp for both german civlians and nationalist poles murdering tens of thousands.

    For awhile there was even a Czech member in parliament who had openly speaking about the murder of some germans he comitted and he never saw the inside of a jail cell.

    Plus they are trying to use the good name of their victims form selling beer to tourism.

    Look how they are advertising Prague the ancient german city the birthplace of modern high german as a "Czech" tourist destination.
    In that sense the genocide is still ongoing and no attempt resitting or right of return has been made.
    As for the Czech republic denial by some and celebration by others is the rule of the day.

    Its basically like dealing with a paralell universe Nazi Germany that won the war and is outright celebrating its successful holocaust and is making good business out of stolen jewish property.

    Thats the moral equivalent.
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    I hear you. But I still have to wonder if they're any worse than mother Russia, who is still killing and imprisoning political enemies today.

    This is an interesting discussion, in that the Sudetenland area was legally no longer German territory after Austro-Hungary was broken up after WW I and Czechoslovakia was created. Then Adolf Hitler decided to take it back in 1939, and invaded and occupied it, essentially starting WW II in Europe. When Germany was defeated and the war ended, Czechoslovakia was once again taken back from Germany, and the Czechs (under Benes) understandably wanted revenge. Under the Benes Decrees they violently purged the country of all Germans and everything German, and confiscated the property and money of Germans living there.

    This was undeniably harsh, and would be like us rounding up and throwing out all Japanese and taking all their property after the war. I don't know how the Benes Decrees are used today, since they were specifically directed at purging Germans, but I don't doubt there are still some bad actors in Czechoslovakia who might use them for their ends. But there are millions of good people in Czechoslovakia and I don't hold this against them.

    That said, we all make our own decisions about things like this, and I respect yours. Heck, I have a 90 year old uncle who still won't buy a Japanese car or TV today because of his experiences in WW II.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_TX View Post
    I hear you. But I still have to wonder if they're any worse than mother Russia, who is still killing and imprisoning political enemies today.

    This is an interesting discussion,
    1)in that the Sudetenland area was legally no longer German territory after Austro-Hungary was broken up after WW I and Czechoslovakia was created.
    2)Then Adolf Hitler decided to take it back in 1939, and invaded and occupied it, essentially starting WW II in Europe.
    3)When Germany was defeated and the war ended, Czechoslovakia was once again taken back from Germany, 4)
    4)and the Czechs (under Benes) understandably wanted revenge.
    5)Under the Benes Decrees they violently purged the country of all Germans and everything German, and confiscated the property and money of Germans living there.

    6) and would be like us rounding up and throwing out all Japanese and taking all their property after the war.
    .
    1)in 1919
    during the break up of Autro Hungary all the German parts got together and called themsleves "Republik of German Austria.
    Sudetenland wa spart of that.
    Under threat of war those lands were ripped out form Austria and given to that concentration camp of nations Czecho slovakia. In which Czechs made up only 40% and provably all other ethnic groups , German, Slovak and Hungarian wanted no part of.
    This "country" was created out of thin air by the allies in bad faith to ensure that future ethnic hatred would enable them to open up another front in the east just in case the Germans would once again refuse to play along with the order established by the empires of their day. This bad faith fundament made Czechoslovakia illegitimate form Day 1.

    2) After Hitler rescuied the german minority in 1938 the czechs kept oppressing the hungarians, Slovaks and the remaining Germans to the point where Slovakia seceded (with german diplomatic and moral support). As Czechoslovakia was no longe rin existence Hitler annexed the old cornw lands of Bohemia -Moravia (todays Czech republic). Was this bad yes. it was almost as bad an England annexing Scotland into the UK as it had done for hundreds of years.

    3) The monstrosity was recreated for the same bad faith rreason. However with full knowledge and cooperation of all alied powers (including the West) a new Holocaust began. Benes on the 10th of May announced on Czehc languge BBC when he flew into Prague he wanted to see the streets lined with living buring germans. They obliged him and when he drobve into town form the airport the roads were "decorated " with living torches.. hung upside down so they would not suffocate from the smoke of thie rburing flesh to ensure they living torches would stay living ads long as possible.

    4) revenge for what?? For wanting to be free of oppression??? For asking to be rescued? For not wanting to be tortured and murdered? The german occupation of CZ during the watr was milder than the regime in Germany itself.
    In half a decade of war only 14800 Czech civilians(CZ sources)died the vast majority by allied bombing. and only a few hundreds (all males) in lidice and another town as anti partisan activity. ...a much greater percentage of folks was sent into the concentration camps in germany (my great grandfather among them for being a socialist) )

    Rations in Bohemia moravia were among the highest in Europe and due to relative safety from the allied air genocide many women and children were shipped there during the war to protect them .

    5) It was a holocaust.. but since the victims are not a procteced class no one teaches it and as memory fades the memory of the perfidity of allied leaders will fade as well. Half of the territory of CZ republik is stolen... and no matter how nice they seem they are living in the towns, buildings and palaces they stole..

    For the current generation to be "innocent" they would have to return all their ill gotten gains.. The Czechs did and stood for everything we accused the Nazis of.. only they got away with it and are proud of it to this day.

    I very much hope to meet Benes in Hell .. He will not enjoy the meeting...(or any other of those monsters)

    read the link I provided if you are not prone to nightmares...
    "In the end we all just play the roles given us... Sometimes they dont fit so well,... but I guess we make do."

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    Thanks for the perspective, Fred. You've obviously studied this and have greater knowledge of the history.

    The 20th Century sure had its share of brutality and inhumanity to our fellow man.
    If someone blows up a school with a bomb they go after the bomber ... if someone shoots up a school they go after the gun.

    A privilege is just a right that has been taken away by government.

    Political correctness is cowardice wrapped in a lie.
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