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Thread: Infiniti: The Mistreated Underdog?

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by NissLover View Post
    Wanted to revisit this with another month of 30%+ increase in sales. Still ahead of Cadillac and Acura and Lexus are way down. Looks like Infiniti is eating up a large portion of those lost sales. And Audi is in sight.
    Cadillac makes great cars but their image problem remains. 30 years of building ****ty cars so that your executives could buy a new mansion and yacht every year as a reward for doing a ****ty job is kinda tough to overcome. It will probably take until the 2020s for them to really compete with the Germans. At least the Euro press isn't crapping on them like they are Infiniti.

    Acura has become complete and utter crap lately. Horrible reliability since the latest MDX/TLX redesigns with the disastrous FWD ZF 9-speed transmissions and (similar to Infiniti) a glitchy, half-baked infotainment system.

    Lexus cars are ugly as ****, so much so that even the brainwashed people at Clublexus are complaining. To put that in perspective, they are usually about as critical to Lexus as the morons who listen to pundits on the AM dial are to the GOP-- which is to say, not at all! Their interiors are full of plastic and are cheaper than they've ever been, with the only light at the end of the tunnel being the very expensive LC and new LS.

    In light of all these, I'm not surprised that Infiniti has gained. Infiniti still greatly disappoints me.
    • Too-long model cycles
    • Great new turbocharged engines are a decade late to the party
    • Handling has not improved significantly since the old G35 days because they refuse to give chassis/suspensions full redesigns (Toyota did this with the Camry for 20 years until the press got pissed, then finally delivered the goods on the 2018 Camry).
    • In a time when BMW has eviscerated its trademark steering feel to gain 1 mpg (WOW!) with poorly-implemented electric racks, Infiniti, when confronted with the possibility that they may have a huge competitive advantage.... went, "Nah, no thanks!" They followed BMW and destroyed its steering feel as well. Makes me wonder if BMW did this as a troll because they knew the JDMs would follow.
    • Their prices have slowly crept to near-German levels due to asinine package requirements. The Red Sport is a glaring exception; you can't get a C43 or S4 as cheap as you can buy a 400 hp Infiniti. Those cars steer better and are better-built, though, and the savings with Infiniti is not $10k+ like it once was.
    • Reliability is terrible. Consumer Reports only recommends the QX50 and Q70 (both old and designed before Ghosn had his way with putting ****ty components into Infinitis), and the '17 JD Dependability Study has Infiniti as the third-worst brand, beating only Jeep and Fiat. (Acura's not much better, to be fair).
    • Run-flat tires seem even worse on Infiniti's range than they are with other brands (worse suspension geometry? Who knows). It is MANDATORY to change them out for better non-RFT when you buy a Q50. Many people on the org claim that the car handles better than their old G37 once you do that.


    A few things are making me optimistic, though. Ghosn and De Nyscchen are gone; their war set Infiniti back a decade. The VR motors are, assuming they don't eat themselves when the warranty expires (that's a LOT to assume from Nissan/Infiniti these days), world-class V6 engines that are period-appropriate. Infiniti never cheapened their interiors after the Nissan 180 was complete. That looks even more impressive when you consider every Lexus inteiror below the GS-- they are garbage, and you can find better fit and finish in Hyundais and Volkswagens. Finally, there are some fairly exciting new models on the horizon, including new Q70 and QX70 designs, which would be my personal favorites if executed properly.

    Did BMW take a massive dump last month, continuing their death spiral? I have to go check the charts.
    Last edited by JayG35; 03-01-2017 at 05:39 PM.

  2. #22
    They were barely able to not post a decrease.

    Those first two points are kinda not valid... we all know that the current product cycle for the cars that are dated IS NOT the typical life cycle for Infiniti. And okay the 3.0TT took a while to come... but it's here and the media loves it. I could understand if it came to market and it topped out at 330 HP... no it burst on the scene with 400HP putting it in C43 and S4 range. And the whole pricing advantage was not going to last forever, even still they're still undercutting the competition with more HP. If I had the money I would consider it worth it.

    Also there is a new MB sourced 9-speed auto coming to the Infiniti Line-up next year. So we should see a little more gusto out of the VR with a possibly better programmed transmission.

    But also, heres another gold nugget... Infiniti sold more SUVs than BMW last month... in this market, that's where it most counts.

    And the QX30 outsold the X1, GLA and Q3.

    Like I said... I really think Infiniti is a sleeping mini-giant. The potential is great and its starting to show. I'm excited to see what they post this month as March is usually the second best sales month of the year for Infiniti. Sales for this month are about equal with last years March. IF... emphasizing IF... if Infiniti maintains their current sales growth of 33.5% they will top Dec. 2016 sales this month at over 18.3k sales. I doubt they will maintain that growth rate, a more reasonable guess would be around 15-20% which puts them in the 15-16k range besting their second best sales record of 15k in Dec. 2015.
    Last edited by NissLover; 03-01-2017 at 06:29 PM.
    My Opin.

    Former: 2007 Nissan Altima 3.5SE Sedan 6MT [Totaled :( ]
    Current: 2013 Infiniti G37S 6MT Sedan

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